Clipless OR Flat pedals for DH

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Clipless OR Flat pedals for DH
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Posted: May 8, 2012 at 9:58 Quote
i'm about to purchase a per of shoes for my DH bike and i
dont know what I really need or want .
I want the best control of the bike but to be free on the pedal ,
i want to do some flowing berm .

if i'm go for clipless :http://www.jensonusa.com/Five-Ten-Minnaar-SPD-Shoe

if i'm go for flat : http://www.jensonusa.com/Five-Ten-Sam-Hill-Shoe

THANKS for every thing,
Alon perry.

Posted: May 8, 2012 at 10:48 Quote
Go for the Minnar becasue you can use it for both Clipless or Flates. Take a look at the sole, there is a patch held in by 2 screws, removing the screws allows you to remove the patch and mount a clip. Replace the patch and run flats.

Posted: May 9, 2012 at 2:04 Quote
dhpig wrote:
Go for the Minnar becasue you can use it for both Clipless or Flates. Take a look at the sole, there is a patch held in by 2 screws, removing the screws allows you to remove the patch and mount a clip. Replace the patch and run flats.

That's right ,but when i put in the patch the sole isn't good !
even flat sole could be better then the patch ....
can you be more specific about the chosen shoe ?

Posted: May 9, 2012 at 9:30 Quote
The Minnar sole is not as soft as the Sam Hill 510 but with the proper flat pedals with excellent studs the Minnar shoe will provide you with enough grip. If you do a lot of DH, you will want to change over to clipless at a leter date. Differnt clips offer a different feel on the pedal and some offer more ankle rotation than othrs without releasing. If you go with the Sam Hill, you will need another shoe to ride clipless.

Posted: May 9, 2012 at 11:18 Quote
I have the black version of the Minnaar shoe and the Five Ten Sam Hill shoe.
The Minnaar shoe is heavy beyond belief. If you're thinking of going clipless, the Shimano SH-AM45 SPD shoe is better for DH in my opinion: http://www.shimano.com/publish/content/global_cycle/en/us/index/products/shoe_test.html#mens/mtb/3/SH-AM45

It's lighter, more comfortable, and offers better inside ankle protection.

The Sam Hill does work great with flats. I use them exclusively for DJ and urban riding. The Sam Hill is a better constructed shoe than the Minnaar...more in line with Five Ten's approach shoe. The Minnaar is more about style than quality or function in my opinion.

Perry-Ap wrote:
i'm about to purchase a per of shoes for my DH bike and i
dont know what I really need or want .
I want the best control of the bike but to be free on the pedal ,
i want to do some flowing berm .

if i'm go for clipless :http://www.jensonusa.com/Five-Ten-Minnaar-SPD-Shoe

if i'm go for flat : http://www.jensonusa.com/Five-Ten-Sam-Hill-Shoe

THANKS for every thing,
Alon perry.

Posted: May 9, 2012 at 11:41 Quote
k1creeker makes some good points, but I must disagree that the Sam Hill shoe is better constructed than the 510 Minnaar. They are both equally well built as per most 510 shoes. Clipless shoes will generally be heavier than flat pedal shoes as the midsole of a clipless boot needs to be reinforced to accomodare cleat and to create an efficient transfer of energy.

The Shinano clipless shoe is also great shoe for those who do not race WC and who do not need the extra stiffness (performance) of a Minnaar type shoe.

Posted: May 9, 2012 at 12:38 Quote
k1creeker wrote:
I have the black version of the Minnaar shoe and the Five Ten Sam Hill shoe.
The Minnaar shoe is heavy beyond belief. If you're thinking of going clipless, the Shimano SH-AM45 SPD shoe is better for DH in my opinion: http://www.shimano.com/publish/content/global_cycle/en/us/index/products/shoe_test.html#mens/mtb/3/SH-AM45

It's lighter, more comfortable, and offers better inside ankle protection.

The Sam Hill does work great with flats. I use them exclusively for DJ and urban riding. The Sam Hill is a better constructed shoe than the Minnaar...more in line with Five Ten's approach shoe. The Minnaar is more about style than quality or function in my opinion.

Perry-Ap wrote:
i'm about to purchase a per of shoes for my DH bike and i
dont know what I really need or want .
I want the best control of the bike but to be free on the pedal ,
i want to do some flowing berm .



if i'm go for clipless :http://www.jensonusa.com/Five-Ten-Minnaar-SPD-Shoe

if i'm go for flat : http://www.jensonusa.com/Five-Ten-Sam-Hill-Shoe

THANKS for every thing,
Alon perry.

Thanks man ,
so in bottom line :
what will be the advantage in clipless and what are the Weaknesses about clipless
and the same for the flat shoe ?
(And by advantage & Weaknesses i mean Performance For every shoe )

Posted: May 9, 2012 at 12:45 Quote
Google "the advantages of clipless pedals". There is a ton of info why clipless is the best, but it all comes down to your own personal comfort level. There is a learning curve associated with clipless.

Posted: May 9, 2012 at 13:18 Quote
dhpig wrote:
Google "the advantages of clipless pedals". There is a ton of info why clipless is the best, but it all comes down to your own personal comfort level. There is a learning curve associated with clipless.

What i need is an owner of a Clipless shoe that can say what he like about clipless and what he dont like.

Posted: May 9, 2012 at 13:43 Quote
Perry-Ap,
Riding clipless or on flats really comes down to rider preference. While it's the topic of endless debate on the riding forums, there really is no right choice between the two. You might try riding flats first (even with your regular sneakers) to see if you like it.

If not, try to borrow a set of clipless pedals and shoes from a friend to try it out first. You won't be out the couple hundred dollars it would cost to find out if you like them or not.

I ride both. I like flats on my DJ bike since I tend to need to ditch the bike more when I screw up. I don't find the need to dump my DH bike much and like the connected feeling that clipless provides for DH.

Best of luck with your decision.

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