Santa Cruz jackal or Black Market 357?

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Santa Cruz jackal or Black Market 357?
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flag tlc-1471
Posted: Sep 3, 2014 at 11:39 Quote
So I'm buying my first dirt jump bike. All Ive ever ridden before was a 15" Trek Ticket signature, that's the bike that i taught myself everything I've learned about dirt jumping on and besides hitting my knees from time to time on the bars, and once on the stem I loved it. The TT on the Trek is 22.44", the TT on the Jackal is 23.5", and the TT on the 357 is 22". The Jackal I've found is a 2012 and is a custom build not sure if it will work for me but its a start. 357 is all stock except the frame has been resprayed a different color. Which bike (the Jackal or the 357) would you guys recommend to me? I'm not looking to spend more than $600 and both of these bikes are the exact same price. Any feedback, experiences, advice, and anything else is welcome.

Details about me: I'm 6'3 6'4 ish, I measured my "bike inseam" last night and it came out to be the same as my pants. 34". I'm no small guy either 240lbs so I know I'm going to break things at some point.

Details about the jackal:
Manitou Nixon fork : 150mm travel
origin 8 headset
truvativ hussefelt stem
race face ride handle bars
lizard skin bear claw grips
avid juicy 5 rear hydraulic brake
170mm rotor
shimano zee crankset 32T 170
front shimano deore hub
rear hayes superlight hub
25 lbs roughly

Details about the 357:The 357 is 100% stock, borrowed from "http://thefixbikes.wordpress.com/2009/01/13/comparing-the-2009-black-market-riot-and-357-completes/"
Frame: Three57 Frame, 100-percent CrMo
Fork: Marzocchi DJ 3, 80mm travel
Headset: FSA Impact(integrated)
Cranks: CrMo 3PC, 48 Splined, Sealed Euro BB
Sprocket: Black Market Revolver 30T
Rear Brake: Tektro Aquila Mechanical Disc, 160mm rotor
Brake Lever: Tektro
Rims: Jalco X350 disc specific, 32 hole with eyelets
Front Hub: 10mm Axle with Disc Brake Mount
Rear Hub: Cassette with 15T Cog
Tires: KENDA 26 x 2.10-inches
Stem: Black Market Full CNC
Handlebar: Black Market BADA BOOM 25.4mm x 2-inch
Grips: S&M Logo
Seat Post: Black Market Riot Stick 27.2mm
Seat Clamp: Black Market Seat Clamp 30mm
Saddle: Black Market Brass Knuckles
31lbs roughly

Thank you PinkBike,
Terence
flag cmc4130
Posted: Sep 3, 2014 at 21:58 Quote
The Manitou Nixon fork with 150mm travel seems weird. A dirt jumper like a Jackal is supposed to have an 80mm or 100mm fork. Mayyyyybe 120. Not 150.

If you could hold out for something like a Rocky Mountain DJ Flow that came in a 22.5"tt size, or a complete TRANSITION Trail or Park 23"tt, then do that........
flag cmc4130
Posted: Sep 3, 2014 at 22:03 Quote
tlc-1471 wrote:
So I'm buying my first dirt jump bike. All Ive ever ridden before was a 15" Trek Ticket signature, that's the bike that i taught myself everything I've learned about dirt jumping on and besides hitting my knees from time to time on the bars, and once on the stem I loved it. The TT on the Trek is 22.44", the TT on the Jackal is 23.5", and the TT on the 357 is 22". The Jackal I've found is a 2012 and is a custom build not sure if it will work for me but its a start. 357 is all stock except the frame has been resprayed a different color. Which bike (the Jackal or the 357) would you guys recommend to me? I'm not looking to spend more than $600 and both of these bikes are the exact same price. Any feedback, experiences, advice, and anything else is welcome.

Details about me: I'm 6'3 6'4 ish, I measured my "bike inseam" last night and it came out to be the same as my pants. 34". I'm no small guy either 240lbs so I know I'm going to break things at some point.

Details about the jackal:
Manitou Nixon fork : 150mm travel
origin 8 headset
truvativ hussefelt stem
race face ride handle bars
lizard skin bear claw grips
avid juicy 5 rear hydraulic brake
170mm rotor
shimano zee crankset 32T 170
front shimano deore hub
rear hayes superlight hub
25 lbs roughly

Details about the 357:The 357 is 100% stock, borrowed from "http://thefixbikes.wordpress.com/2009/01/13/comparing-the-2009-black-market-riot-and-357-completes/"
Frame: Three57 Frame, 100-percent CrMo
Fork: Marzocchi DJ 3, 80mm travel
Headset: FSA Impact(integrated)
Cranks: CrMo 3PC, 48 Splined, Sealed Euro BB
Sprocket: Black Market Revolver 30T
Rear Brake: Tektro Aquila Mechanical Disc, 160mm rotor
Brake Lever: Tektro
Rims: Jalco X350 disc specific, 32 hole with eyelets
Front Hub: 10mm Axle with Disc Brake Mount
Rear Hub: Cassette with 15T Cog
Tires: KENDA 26 x 2.10-inches
Stem: Black Market Full CNC
Handlebar: Black Market BADA BOOM 25.4mm x 2-inch
Grips: S&M Logo
Seat Post: Black Market Riot Stick 27.2mm
Seat Clamp: Black Market Seat Clamp 30mm
Saddle: Black Market Brass Knuckles
31lbs roughly

Thank you PinkBike,
Terence

When you were measuring the top tube on the Trek at 22.44, were you measuring "effective" top tube or "actual top tube." "Actual top tube" is normally measured from the center of the seat tube to the center of the head tube. The reason I'm asking is that companies are not consistent on how they publish the numbers.

I really think you need a 22.5" or 23" actual top tube.

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