At the venue, got a few photos as well of the Zerode. They're still working on it as it needs some refinements I.e. more chainstay clearance as the chains gets really close to the top of the chainstay
Longer travel bikes with massive chainstay growth + wide range cassette = long chain. As soon as you sit on the bike the chainstay will lengthen and make up for the chain slack.
I was actually quite glad to see that. We have tons on slacked out enduro machines these days with 65 HA's, but very few with steeper head tube angles. Although most of today's enduro bikes have good pedaling characteristics, climbing continuous, long, more technical, steeper sections is less fun and much more cumbersome with such a slack HA. I may be the exception, but I want a 150 160 bike that has a moderate HTA (66.5-67.5) so I'm comfortable with all of the climbing on longer backcountry epics or techy steep climbs. Yeah, I could just go to a trailbike instead, but I like riding a bigger bike. That's why I'm on a Tracer 275C, a moderate 66.5 HA gives me the best of both worlds. Just my two cents based on my intended usage.
Isn't it funny how many bloody bikes their are out their. I give companies like this credit for going for it, and having the ambition to do actually build bikes, but honestly who buys these bikes, I know theirs a lot of name brand bikes that dont perform all that well, and I know their allways room for cool innovative ideas, but I always wonder how all these slightly obscure company's sell bikes, especially when their essentially rehashed and water'd down versions of other bikes, let alone totally unproven. I don't know maybe I'm too pessimistic
I have actually wondered the same thing especially the rehashed watered down part. Most bikes are pretty much the same. Check us out, we are a bit different. Just getting started. Gearbox in the works for DH and All Mtn frames. I was tired of hearing the same old stuff every year how this is bike or that bike is so much better, but they were pretty much just the same but looked a little different. And low pivot designs really ride harsh and are not great at bump absorption. So we did something different. I guess you could say much different interms of framesets. We are building a website now and hopefully will have it up soon.
These guys are from Indonesia, 250 million people live there, so there's going to be plenty of local brands that want to break out into the world scene. If it doesn't work out in Europe/USA for them then there's their home market.
Thirty years from now; some whack job will be digging around the New Mexico desart. Searching for the boost hubs hidden underneith the sand. In an effort to doucument the very moment in history that it all started to go catastrophically downhill, for the MTB industry. True story. Friend of a friend told my cousin, and I overheard it through the bathroom door, while pooping. Good talk team, now get out there ride!
I don't care, I like to see new brands, I like the idea that any kind of a monopoly dictated by the bigger brands gets weaker every time a new brand appears. Even when the new ( or just small) brands try to imitate the big ones. Diversity of brands is one of the keys for weakening trends and new standards.
Cut them some slack, the market will shape them for the better if they aren't now and competition keep the big guys' pricing reasonable. Just as Polygon came a long way too I believe and they now have a page in Rampage's history.
Just like the Propain bikes the sizing is so far out it is unreal!
The 420mm reach and 595TT length on the large DH bike is ridiculous, that would be many manufacturers size Small now, its not much better for the enduro bike either.
What are manufacturers like this playing around at?! - So much work put into suspension, design, aesthetics only to size them so far out of the ballpark the largest size will only fit somebody below 6ft and anybody over 6ft just will not be on the correct size bike.
Has anyone else noticed How short the Patrol 821? ready to tackle any DH track, aslong as you're under 5 foot 10... 420mm reach in the smallest size with a 595mm top tube in the largest size?? that thing is tiny!!
The only people who could read the geo chart and consider one of these bikes above 6ft is if they are a total beginner or have no idea about the correct sizing of a bike and will just go off recommendation.
Its almost frustrating to see what looks like a potentially great product be ruined by designers who must live in a different universe to the rest of the MTB community.
I have been riding Patrol bikes the past year in the UK, i can tell you the 671 is going to be value for money and one of the big hitters for 2016 in Europe
Well, as far as looks go, I really dig the 871. From the comments it seems like the geometry leaves something to be desired. Would love to ride it and feel for myself.
Upper link, you mean? I can see that (looks like Santa Cruz too). That's where the resemblance ends, I think. 671 is Horst (single pivot), Tracer is VPP.
@mikekazimer I wait with baited breath.
I just cant understand how manufacturers repeatedly get this so wrong, do they live under a rock or something?
Even Intense has totally dropped a crapper on their new DH bike, and I am an intense fanboy but wont be going there.... shame.
True story. Friend of a friend told my cousin, and I overheard it through the bathroom door, while pooping. Good talk team, now get out there ride!
Diversity of brands is one of the keys for weakening trends and new standards.
The 420mm reach and 595TT length on the large DH bike is ridiculous, that would be many manufacturers size Small now, its not much better for the enduro bike either.
What are manufacturers like this playing around at?! - So much work put into suspension, design, aesthetics only to size them so far out of the ballpark the largest size will only fit somebody below 6ft and anybody over 6ft just will not be on the correct size bike.
Lol!!
www.pinkbike.com/video/466188