Cane Creek Announces the Double Barrel Lounge

Sep 14, 2012 at 7:03
Sep 14, 2012
by Richard Cunningham
 
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Cane Creek, in conjunction with Pinkbike, launched 'The Lounge' to link Double Barrel shock owners together into a worldwide community on its extensive website. Double Barrel air and coil-over shocks offer the widest range of adjustability and all four critical damping functions - high and low speed compression and rebound - are externally accessible.

cane creek double barrel shock details

Cane Creek's Double Barrel Shock has separate high and low-speed damping adjustments (right). The Lounge provides a forum for Double Barrel users to exchange setup information.



Double Barrel shocks are popular among the world's top DH racers because of that fact, but with ultimate adjustability also comes the potential for ultimate frustation. Cane Creek added the Lounge to augment its database of starting settings and video tutorials, in a comprehensive effort to make setting up and fine-tuning its Double Barrel dampers a painless process.

Cane Creek Lounge page

Cane Creek's Lounge begins with a comfortable-looking home page. Scroll down for quick-starts to all the important how-to functions on the site.



The Lounge works both ways. Nobody knows more about setting up Cane Creek's damper better than those who have been running them at the races and on trail for years, so tuning Information gathered from posts in the Lounge will be used to improve the accuracy of bike setup information in Cane Creek's database - one that already includes the fitment data for well over 2000 different models. Cane Creek also provides Base Tunes for bikes that come spec'ed with the Double Barrel and are expanding this to include a larger universe to provide recommended setting for aftermarket upgrades. Presently, Cane Creek has a setup page which allows DB shock owners to input their bikes and then receive a slider-style graphic that depicts the default shock settings for that particular model. The default settings are a good starting point, but Cane Creek admits that there is no question that a rider could work out a more specific tune when armed with the proper know-how. The Lounge gives Double Barrel owners a forum to share setups and provides a better database for Cane Creek's tuning charts.

Cane Creek Lounge shock tune page

Type in your bike and the model year and Cane Creek's shock tune page will move the sliders on each damping indicator to depict the correct number of turns for each adjustment dial. Your personal page shares this same feature.



Lounge community members can post shock settings from multiple bikes on their pages using Cane Creek's easy to use graphs and prompts. Lounge members can then access those settings or communicate with riders in the Lounge to offer tuning tips to the needy, or use other's input to squeeze more performance from their Double Barrel suspensions. Members can also choose to share images and communicate between other Lounge users. Existing Pinkbike members have the option to incorporate their PB pages with the Lounge site, or to create separate Lounge accounts. Cane Creek explains that the Lounge is by no means finished, and that they will continue to refine the site and will have weekly rollouts of new feature beginning in October.

Cane Creek Lounge

Send messages to fellow Double Barrel riders, or post pictures on your page to let the Lounge community know what you are up to..



Why should Pinkbike and Cane Creek cooperate online? Pinkbike CEO Karl Burkat said, 'We are a worldwide community of like minded riders. Anything that we can do to make riding a better experience or easier to understand is a win/win for us.' If you presently ride a Double Barrel coil or air shock, or are in the market for one, check out the Lounge, and then surf the support information that Cane Creek has created for it. You'll be impressed.

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77 Comments

  • + 19
flag richierocket (Sep 14, 2012 at 0:07)
 Thats so hot! Would love to test one out!
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flag scottvt (Sep 14, 2012 at 0:51)
 Seems like a pretty good idea to me.
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flag mikesanderson (Sep 14, 2012 at 2:56)
 this makes me very happy, time to get my geek on Smile
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flag kerberos (Sep 14, 2012 at 2:28)
 I love the CCDBA in my bike. Would love to join the lounge and exchange thoughts, but I am not willing to enter all personal details including address for this. Make it non-mandatory.
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flag bigburd (Sep 14, 2012 at 3:09)
 Put a fake adress ?
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flag WAKIdesigns (Sep 14, 2012 at 5:41)
 kerberos - do you have a Paypal account?
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flag CaneCreekCyclingComponents (Sep 14, 2012 at 6:30)
 We are sensitive to your concern kerberos. We are removing that as a requirement - only give us what you want.
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flag kerberos (Sep 14, 2012 at 12:20)
 Amazing customer service, thank you!
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flag phatone17 (Sep 14, 2012 at 12:22)
 now that's what I call customer service.....
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flag digital-criminal Plus (Sep 14, 2012 at 13:17)
 Yes, you guys are well on your way to becoming one of the best shock manufacturers as well as everything else you produce (that's so awesome already).
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flag TheStig04 (Sep 14, 2012 at 18:18)
 i saw that and i was like, "no, that can't be... did they actually just do that?" you guys rule! keep up the awesome work and i will continue to buy your products!
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flag whafe Plus (Sep 15, 2012 at 0:08)
 Being a Kiwi here for 12 days in Whistler and having a leaking CCDBA shock after 5 rides is not a great thing. I have to say constructively that the CC distributors in Canada have an appalling reputation by multiple bike stores in Whistler... Not a show of getting even a seal kit etc etc.. In fact the distributors in Canada dont even reply to their customers (shops etc)...

Fantastic shock, but CC Distributor in Canada, get up to the level of service that CC are known for..
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flag jaydmf (Sep 14, 2012 at 13:21)
 Have to say, CC youve done an astounding job with the DBAir.

When i had my old patriot and a DHX5 i thought it couldnt possibly get that much better. RP23 proved that pedalling efficiency could be improved but it annoyed the crap out of me that it would blow through the travel so bad even on a linkage bike with a shock tuned for the frame.

New patriot and DBAir holy sweet f*ck it pedals well and descends like no other bike ive had, still needs some tuning time as its only a week old but even in that time its incredible what a difference a click here or there can make. God knows what these guys are gonna come out with in the future.
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flag DoubleCrownKing (Sep 14, 2012 at 1:41)
 The Lounge´s been up for a while now, it´s a pretty cool space to exchange info about the shock and it´s adjustments. Best shock there is, period.
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flag ndubl8 (Sep 16, 2012 at 18:51)
 i would love one of these from RockShox for my boxxer world cup. i'm just starting to figure the fork out but its still pretty overwhelming. even though i don't own a double barrel, its awesome to see stuff like this because, frankly, bike technology is moving faster than most riders (i speak for myself here) can keep up with. its nice to know that companies really want you to get the most out of their expensive parts, and not just looking to push sales with marketing and world cup riders that have their own personal mechanics to tune their stuff.
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flag gravityhelps (Sep 14, 2012 at 0:18)
 now if only they could fix all the bugs in the website, try login in to it and it never works and they just ignore emails. they could use some better IT people
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flag cyberhawk Plus (Sep 14, 2012 at 1:39)
 dont we all ?
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flag flatlineA5 (Sep 14, 2012 at 3:06)
 Ive got the same thing happening with the confirmation code,i enter it with my email and nothing happens.

Also where is the serial number located?
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flag loaded (Sep 14, 2012 at 6:23)
 In all fairness they make good shocks!
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flag CaneCreekCyclingComponents (Sep 14, 2012 at 6:35)
 Please send your emails to info@canecreek.com - its important of us to make sure you are happy. As for the IT people - they are cranking away - we will be doing weekly rollouts of new features in The Lounge starting in October.
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flag stever (Sep 14, 2012 at 7:38)
 Well, I just checked out the Base Tune feature. While it seems like a nice idea, sadly, it seems poorly executed. The base tune recommendations don't take into account rider weight and spring rate. Also, the spring rate calculator is completely out of whack, as it suggests using spring rates that are almost triple of what I actually run. Good try Cane Creek, but better luck next time.
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flag suicidedownhiller (Sep 14, 2012 at 12:04)
 Strange, the spring rate calc worked fine for me. Saying I should run way softer than what I do, like most spring rate calculators. But 30% sag for freeriding? LOL. Try 5%.
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flag Schy (Sep 14, 2012 at 12:06)
 Stever the sag isnt everything, the Double Barrel has high speed compression, I'm not sure if you know what that is but it basically takes the sag out of the equation when doing large jumps/drops (for the most part).
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flag Schy (Sep 14, 2012 at 12:07)
 But Wil is right 30% is a bit excessive forget what I said.
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flag CaneCreekCyclingComponents (Sep 14, 2012 at 12:15)
 Exactly stever, our suspension team works with bike manufacturers to develop the Base Tunes based on frame kinematics and field testing. They represent our recommended starting point; however, no one knows your ride better than you. We invite you to DEFINE YOUR GREAT by fine tuning your shock to meet your specific needs. Download our new Tuning Field Guide to really dial it in. www.canecreek.com/resources/products/suspension/double-barrel/DB_Field_guide.pdf
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flag stever (Sep 17, 2012 at 7:30)
 Wow Cane Creek, that's some truly excellent PR Spin, which suprises me not at all. My point was that if you had actually put together a high quality product, it would have base tune recommendations for different rider weights and spring weights, and not just for one baseline average rider weight. Just like that fact the fact that you released the product BEFORE you actually had a diverse range of bicycle kinematics. You have settings for YT Tuesdays, which are almost non-existent in North America, but you don't even have listings for Giant bikes for goodness sake. It is very clear to any sophisticated cyclist that your intention for releasing this tool is more about creating marketing hype for your product than it is about actually helping your customers. You should be embarrased for using this type of approach to marketing. For shame.

@ suicidedownhiller,

You're correct, but only when working imperial (inches). Try your settings in metric (mm), and you will receive totally skewed values. Example, when I calculate mine in inches, I get about 550, which is accurate. Switch over to metric, and it recommends a 1250lb spring. Huh?
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flag Karpiel073 (Sep 14, 2012 at 18:17)
 I have an Ava DHS on my bike and it has all those settings. It's not rocket science to dial it in and Ava's customer service is top notch if you have questions.
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flag garethjudson (Sep 15, 2012 at 3:18)
 now. if cane creek made a pair of forks....
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flag davehayz93 (Sep 14, 2012 at 0:06)
 It's about time! It takes about a month to get them things dialed properly!!!!!!!
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flag iguanabartola (Sep 14, 2012 at 0:09)
 but isn't it worth it.......sh*t yeah.
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flag bigburd (Sep 14, 2012 at 3:08)
 Maybe if the shock didnt come with settings that are usless it would be easyer to setup ?

I mean really who rides with max low compression , zero low end rebound , zero High Speed comp and maximum high rebound ?

Just give us settings that are in a usefull range that are actually helpfull on a trail..
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flag Apache249 (Sep 14, 2012 at 3:14)
 Those are to accommodate for heavier and lighter riders.
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flag dougies (Sep 14, 2012 at 3:30)
 thats what spring rates are for....not damping adjustments
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flag tidli (Sep 14, 2012 at 5:38)
 Different spring rate, different damping adjustment for the "same" damping. Don't you think?
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flag bigburd (Sep 14, 2012 at 5:42)
 Yes but not to the extremes of each range , I don't own a CCDB but with most other shocks if you are very heavey or very light and use a spring from the extreme ends of the spectrum you would get it revalved/shimmed/tuned to suit.
Unless these extreme ranges of adjustment are so you don't need to get the shock ' tuned' for wieght. ?
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flag iainc92 (Sep 14, 2012 at 6:11)
 Wide range is to cater for different bikes and linkages so that they dont have to supply different tunes. Like a vivid.
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flag CaneCreekCyclingComponents (Sep 14, 2012 at 6:26)
 We hear ya bigburd. For our OEM spec we developed a database of recommended settings to serve as starting points in the tuning process. We are expanding this to include other frames so that we can assist those who got a shock as an aftermarket upgrade. Send us your bike info and we'll make sure to make it a priority (info@canecreek.com).
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flag bigburd (Sep 14, 2012 at 6:44)
 Thanks iainc92 and and also CCCC for explaining.
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flag jonesy07 (Sep 14, 2012 at 14:14)
 @canecreek. Hi guys, I have sent you a couple of emails a few weeks ago about base settings and had no reply ! Joined the lounge but no info there either for Santa cruz blur LTc dbair. Cheers.
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flag skippy888 (Sep 16, 2012 at 22:50)
 What is FOX suspension doing about this? I wana get my RC4 dialed god dam it!
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flag GloryNZ (Sep 14, 2012 at 23:17)
 Anyone know if a stock DB or Air would fit on a 2012 Glory?? Cant find any info on it
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flag Bouncerbeater (Sep 18, 2012 at 10:36)
 Would find this useful if they actually even listed my bike on there, without that it's a bit pointless
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flag downhillnirvana (Sep 14, 2012 at 0:48)
 surely 'base' settings are dependant on your weight as well as the frame
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flag Pabail (Sep 14, 2012 at 1:28)
 true, as theyre known to work better with single pivot designs.
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flag Mbarnes (Sep 15, 2012 at 2:23)
 Any settings for an orange five? I have a dbair and wanted some help
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flag BikeNH (Sep 16, 2012 at 5:54)
 This is a really really good idea
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flag JackHale (Sep 17, 2012 at 3:23)
 They flex, is that meant to happen?
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flag jonnylightning (Sep 14, 2012 at 1:29)
 The lounge has been around for a while now.
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flag deadatbirth (Sep 14, 2012 at 12:48)
 only two weeks now
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flag moonunit (Sep 14, 2012 at 0:43)
 If it had a bigger shaft I would consider getting one
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flag cloverleaf Plus (Sep 14, 2012 at 4:21)
 @Moonunit - it has a small diameter shaft becasue the principles of its design are totally different to those shocks that have 10mm+ shafts. The DB relies on having the correct damping settings, has meaningful damping. Shocks such as the RC4 & DHX which use large shafts rely on the additional oil displacement into the piggyback to create the ramp up - effectively a mini air spring that becomes more noticeable at the end of the travel, hence your ramp up effect.
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flag WAKIdesigns (Sep 14, 2012 at 5:46)
 My shaft is so big it could fit a whole double barrel in...
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flag bigburd (Sep 14, 2012 at 6:47)
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flag WAKIdesigns (Sep 14, 2012 at 6:51)
 epic bigburd - one of my favourite, half an hour of listening to ua a a ua aaa ua ua kua kua kua ua ua ua just to hear the word "shaft" few times Big Grin I preferd Isaac with "I'm gonna make love to you womaaaaan, sweet loove"
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flag bigburd (Sep 14, 2012 at 6:54)
 Yeah the guys a legend ! every time I hear the word shaft I go right away starting singing it !
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flag live2ride93 (Sep 14, 2012 at 13:40)
 Yea same here, iv seen a decent amount of snapped CCDD shafts.. :/
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flag mdzuricky77 (Sep 14, 2012 at 16:27)
 I broke my shaft two weeks ago at Winter Park. It was the fifth in a month that I know of. CC replaced it, but my concern is why is it happening so frequently. From my experinece they work wonderful for about two months then the noises kick in and hard to maintain a good tune. I'm sticking with the CCDB, but would like this to be hashed out. There has to be a flaw in the matrix somewhere.
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flag seedless (Sep 14, 2012 at 17:02)
 That was my concern. The sanction is smaller than DHX. Go Fox and save some loot. (Ha! Go with Fox and save money!, how often does that happen!)
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flag finnrambo (Sep 14, 2012 at 17:40)
 if your snapping shafts its most likely due to poor frame design using the shock as a structural part.... all I can think of anyway, never heard of a snapped ccdb shaft but then again im on a roco
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flag baca262 (Sep 14, 2012 at 19:25)
 @seedless

go fox and save money is very much doing it wrong. go xfusion is more like it.
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flag Knife-in-the-dark (Sep 14, 2012 at 21:13)
 Md, the blame is totally on specialized, not enough movement on that stupid yoke. I assume you are riding the new demo correct? Blame JC, I'm sure he'll love you. HA.
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flag seedless (Sep 15, 2012 at 8:19)
 Agreed. If you really want to save some cash, go with X-Fusion, but I trust Fox too much to risk it. I've never ridden X-fusion but I've heard good things.
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flag live2ride93 (Sep 15, 2012 at 10:38)
 I wouldn't blame it on the frame, ccdb are the only ones having problems with it, no one else. Fox, RockShox, Elka, X-fusion etc, all seem to have there shit figured out without any issues. A snapped shaft isn't a little problem either.. I'm not saying its a bad shox, its not, its a great product, just i personally think needs a little more beef as far as the shaft goes.
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flag finnrambo (Sep 15, 2012 at 11:46)
 ya but the shock shouldnt have to deal with strain like that, it shouldnt be flexed around sideways
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flag baca262 (Sep 15, 2012 at 12:42)
 shocks will always get some lateral loads because they aren't perfectly straight when extended, there's really no way around it. they should redesign db to use a bigger shaft and a bigger reservoir volume to accommodate for additional displacement and the shaft snapping/bending problem would be solved + it would open up the option to add some ramp up to the shock so you can run it in digressive frames (even though the db air option already takes care of that).
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flag mdzuricky77 (Sep 15, 2012 at 18:20)
 I was riding a 2012 Demo 8 II when it happened, yes. I sold that frame a couple days ago and got my hands on a carbon demo with a new CCDB with the bigger shaft. I'm guessing that will solve the issue and I assure all that I will huck the hell out of it to see if it can hang. Bottom line, IDC who's fault it is, when it's dial in it sings. It seems like the faster you ride the more effecient it becomes. I ride with a Fox 40 fork and feel like I'm cheating it by putting all my weight on the CC. As long as when I break them I get a replacement then no complains from this guy....well unless it happens during a race lol :-)
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flag mdzuricky77 (Sep 15, 2012 at 18:22)
 X-Fusion, where do you get those? Walmart? LOL, sorry had to. There simply is no comparison...
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flag turningisfun (Sep 16, 2012 at 3:20)
 maybe 5 years ago. try a recent x-fusion component
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flag Erikson (Sep 17, 2012 at 17:34)
 ya x-fusion has seriously stepped their shit up recently. this could simply be a rumor but i heard that a designer from fox left and is now working with x-fusion. i know very little about the legitimacy of all that but if anyone knows anything else feel free to chime in
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flag LowBudgetRolling (Sep 17, 2012 at 15:31)
 brake less.
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flag LowBudgetRolling (Sep 17, 2012 at 15:35)
 break less.
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flag kanter (Sep 14, 2012 at 6:54)
 Still no Zerode on the set up page.
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