REVIEWED
Cannondale
TRIGGER 29 Carbon 1
WORDS Mike Levy
PHOTOS Colin Meagher
With 130mm of rear wheel travel via a radical pull shock that can be dialled down to just 80mm with the push of a remote, and its single sided, carbon fiber Lefty fork, Cannondale's Trigger 29 Carbon 1 doesn't exactly blend into today's mid-travel bike market. Regardless of its on-trail manners, there's no doubt that its appearance is bound to be a polarizing factor among riders, and its $8,120 USD price tag will likely have the same effect as well. And while the entry point for the Trigger platform starts at a more reasonable $3,470 USD for the base model, there is no mistaking that the 29 Carbon 1 tested here is Cannondale's no-apologies entry into the most ruthless and competitive bike category out there. Is the bike's novel approach to suspension and frame design enough to have it rise to the top of an already impressive field of contenders?
Trigger Details
• Intended use: trail/all-mountain/enduro
• Wheel size: 29"
• Rear wheel travel: 80 - 130mm (via remote)
• Lefty SuperMax Carbon fork w/ 130mm of travel
• FOX DYAD RT2 pull shock
• Carbon fiber front and rear triangles
• SRAM XX1/XO1 drivetrain w/ Si cranks
• Mavic Crossmax ST 29 wheels
• Weight: 26.4 lb (lrg, w/o pedals)
• MSRP $8,120 USD
Different for Different's Sake?The fact that there are some clear leaders in the world of mid-travel bikes, and also some clear duds, proves that assembling a dialled trail bike might be more difficult than convincing a bunch of fashion conscious riders to try out hip bags on their next ride. So, why would Cannondale make things even harder on themselves by taking such an unorthodox approach to the challenge? After all, the Trigger's Zero Pivot rear end, DYAD pull shock, and Lefty fork are sure to alienate the more closed minded of us out there, aren't they? ''
We have always been an engineering-driven company, rather than a marketing driven company. If we see a way to improve something, we do it and worry about how to sell it later,'' Murray Washburn, Cannondale's Global Director of Product Marketing, explained to us. ''
We are great at thinking about things differently and coming up with new, surprising ways to make bikes better, but we pretty much suck at telling people about it. This approach is both our biggest strength and our greatest weakness.'' Coming up with ideas that are new to the mountain bike world and then putting them into practice is one thing that Cannondale has done extensively throughout their existence but, as Washburn admits, it's also something that has surely cost them sales as well.
A skeptical mind might assume that a single sided fork (isn't it a prong, then?) would never be up to the task, a valid concern if you're not familiar with the principles behind it, regardless of the car sitting outside of your house having all four of its wheels held on by one side, while others maintain that shocks should push, not pull.Yet both the Trigger and Jekyll platforms that make up Cannondale's 'OverMountain' range of do-it-all bikes employ their proprietary DYAD pull shocks that have been designed in conjunction with FOX. Cannondale clearly believes in both the Lefty concept - it's been around for many years now - as well as the idea of integrated, exclusive suspension components, but that strategy must offer advantages to the average rider for them to be accepted en masse because being different for different's sake isn't enough when the accepted norm performs to such a high level.
The Trigger's Suspension ExplainedLefty SuperMax Carbon PBR: Pull up to the trailhead with the Trigger and you'll no doubt have strangers wandering over to ask if you've forgotten the other side of your fork at home, something that gets old fast once you've spent a good amount of time on the bike. Jokes aside, there are some very sound theories behind the Lefty that, as we'll talk about more later on, allow it to be both more torsionally rigid and more active. The key to the fork's performance is its 36mm diameter square stanchion tube that rides on four strips of captured roller bearings, thereby letting the lower tube roll in and out of the 46mm carbon fiber upper tube rather than slide on bushings, all of which is a layout that offers enough strength and rigidity that Cannondale is able to go to a single-sided design. Remember, using a standard, round stanchion would allow the leg to spin around in the upper tube - a conventional fork's rigidity depends on its axle, fork arch, and there being a proper amount of material elsewhere, and while some of those still count for points with the Lefty, it's the fork's square stanchion tube that delivers the required stiffness. Each bearing strip is sandwiched in thin steel races to prevent the bearings from wearing into the aluminum leg as they roll, and the newer Lefty forks also utilize a round profile to the exposed lower section of the stanchion that allows Cannondale to use more traditional sealing system as opposed to their older setup that depended on a rubber boot to keep grime at bay. Another important update is the much lower profile top cap that won't interfere with the handlebar if a rider wants to install a shorter stem (
we used a 60mm for the majority of our time on the bike), a blessing for anyone who plans to get a bit rowdy on the Trigger.
The fork's air spring is adjusted via a Schrader valve at the bottom of the leg, while a large red dial atop the leg controls rebound speeds. The PB in PBR stands for push-button, a reference to the blue button at the center of the rebound dial (
that's the R in PBR) that can be pushed to instantly add compression damping to the fork, although it is more of a ''soft lockout'' that still allows for some movement instead of a traditional lockout. All told, the 130mm travel Lefty weighs in around the same as many other high-end forks in the same travel bracket - 1850 grams/4.07lb - but remember that Cannondale says it's ''
as stiff and strong as most dual-crown DH forks, yet lighter than most all-mountain forks,'' a hefty claim if we've ever heard one. Can it be true?
Zero Pivot: While there is quite a bit to talk about when it comes to the Trigger's rear suspension, the bike does use a somewhat traditional single pivot and rocker link arrangement to control its adjustable 80 - 130mm travel rear end. Instead of the rocker link pushing on the shock like you see elsewhere, however, it pulls up on it. Just as up front, Cannondale has gone with carbon fiber all around, with the entire rear end, including the rocker link, being manufactured with the same material. This has allowed them to forgo using a bearing pivot at the axle, with their 'Zero Pivot' flexing stays doing the work instead. Engineered flex is nothing new for Cannondale - the theory as been in use by them since 2002 - and it's one that they claim offers more lateral rigidity and less weight. ''
It saves a significant chunk of weight, almost a quarter pound out of the swingarm and, thanks to ways we can control deflection via layup, it actually increases stiffness over a bearing system,'' Washburn told us. He also used the example of the wings of a large airliner, designed to flex huge amounts during flight, as the same theory applied on a much larger scale.
FOX DYAD RT2 shock: The heart of the Trigger's suspension is its proprietary FOX DYAD RT2 pull shock which, while being quite complicated compared to a standard unit, is essentially two shocks combined into one. Proponents of the K.I.S.S. theory will be likely be shaking their head at the oil flow diagram of the DYAD shown to the right, but it is important to note that the pull shock's design is from the minds at FOX, not some unproven or lesser known suspension manufacturer. Regardless, it's an intricate piece of technology that acts as a short-travel shock with a small air volume when required, and a long-travel shock with a bigger volume when called upon, with both travel modes employing their own dedicated damping circuit that has been designed specifically for the travel. ''It utilizes two separate positive air chambers (one big and one small), a shared negative air chamber, and two independent damping circuits,'' explains Washburn.
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DYAD’s unique in that, rather than moving a damping piston through an oil bath like a traditional shock, the DYAD instead acts like an oil pump, pumping the oil from one side of the shock to the other through the one of the two dedicated damping circuits. Each of the positive air chambers has its own floating piston that separates the oil volume from the air, while the pull-shock piston serves as both the primary oil piston and the negative air spring piston. Oil flow is controlled by something called a spool valve, which moves up or down when you flip the handlebar mounted lever, opening and closing two different oil paths.''
The other part of the the story is the shock's air spring, or springs rather. In 'FLOW' mode (
130mm of travel) the two positive air chambers are connected to create a single high-volume air spring that Cannondale says is able to mimic how a coil feels. Changing to the 'ELEVATE' mode (
80mm of travel) shuts off the passage connecting the two chambers, thereby creating a single small-volume air spring that significantly ramps up the bike's spring rate. Moving between the two travel modes also effects the bike's geometry, with a lower ride height and slacker head angle due to the extra sag in the FLOW mode, while a steeper head angle and higher bottom bracket height is on tap due to less sag when the ELEVATE mode has been selected.
All of the above is controlled with a handlebar remote that looks decidedly un-advanced in that it resembles a thumb shifter, although it has actually had a considerable amount of thought put into it. ''
Having almost eaten shit when trying to activate an on-top-of-the-bar thumb lever to drop a seat post on a descent by having my hand slip off the front of the bar,'' Steve Extance, Cannondale's chief Headshok/Lefty engineer told us, ''
I knew that it was important to maintain a decent grip on the bar when getting into FLOW mode, but activating ELEVATE mode is much more forgiving.'' Extance's old school looking lever allows for exactly that, with a button on the very end of the thumb lever that can be simply nudged with the side of your finger/knuckle in order to switch the Trigger back to its long-travel setting. There is also the DYAD shock's stiff spool valve return spring to keep in mind, something that can be easily overcome by using the leverage enhancing, thumb operated remote.
Specifications
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Release Date
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2014 |
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Price
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$8120 |
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Travel |
80/130mm |
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Rear Shock |
FOX DYAD RT2 DUAL SHOCK, 130/80MM, W/REMOTE LEVER |
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Fork |
LEFTY SUPERMAX CARBON PBR 130 29, W/ HYBRID NEEDLE BEARING TECH, 60MM OFFSET |
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Headset |
CANNONDALE HEADSHOK SI |
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Cassette |
SRAM X01, 10-42, 11-SPEED |
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Crankarms |
CANNONDALE HOLLOWGRAM SI, BB30, XX1 30T |
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Bottom Bracket |
CANNONDALE PRESSFIT30, FSA BEARINGS |
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Rear Derailleur |
SRAM XX1 |
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Chain |
SRAM XX1 |
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Shifter Pods |
SRAM X01 11 SPEED |
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Handlebar |
CANNONDALE C1 RISER, CARBON, 740X15MM |
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Stem |
CANNONDALE C1, 1.5", 31.8, 5 DEG. |
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Grips |
CANNONDALE DUAL LOCKING GRIPS |
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Brakes |
MAGURA MT6 |
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Wheelset |
MAVIC CROSSMAX ST 29 |
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Tires |
SCHWALBE HANS DAMPF SNAKESKIN TRAILSTAR, 29X2.35", TUBELESS READY |
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Seat |
WTB VOLT NICRO SL |
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Seatpost |
ROCKSHOX REVERB STEALTH |
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First impressions / setup: Say what you will about the appearance of its Lefty fork and unusual looking DYAD shock, but we're of the mind that Cannondale has assembled one hell of a good looking bike, although it's certainly bound to cause those not fond of its unconventional image to be a bit vocal about their feelings. We prefer to think of it as having uncommon beauty, however, much like how you might look at an attractive foreign model and think, ''
yeah, I totally would.'' Well, we totally would with the Trigger.
While the bike's novel looks will have people staring, those who throw a leg over it will also likely remark that it has an equally large presence when in the saddle. We've been spending plenty of time aboard some ground hugging test bikes recently that have the Trigger feeling as if could easily ride
over them and their pilot without much trouble - it feels a bit more like sitting on the roof of a sports car rather than deep in its driver seat. That sort of sensation doesn't often play out well in the heat of battle, but it's important to reserve judgement until wheels get put on dirt. As we find ourselves doing so often, a shorter 60mm stem and wider handlebar were bolted in place after the first few trail-dates, although we won't harp on about these changes as they don't seem out of place relative to the bike's 130mm of travel and expected use. Another thing that doesn't seem out of place in the slightest is the DYAD shock's clever ''thumb shifter'' remote. Slide it right up close to the grip and you'll find that it's extremely easy to push when you want to limit rear wheel travel to the 80mm ELEVATE setting, and even easier to operate when it comes time to pop back into the long travel FLOW mode - simply use the side of your pointer finger to hit the grey release button to do so. The operation feels natural enough that it makes us wonder what the hell everyone else is doing with their remotes.
There's no getting around the Trigger's involved suspension setup, a routine that is more complicated than you'll find of a more traditional bike. Cannondale supplies recommend pressure figures for both the Lefty fork and the DYAD shock, and although they said that we'd need to use their own high-pressure shock pump (
supplied with the bike) to adjust the latter, we managed just fine with a standard pump while running it at the recommended pressure for our 170 pound weight. Trigger owners will also need to adjust rebound speeds for the 130mm and 80mm travel settings separately via the two clearly labelled red dials, and we ended up preferring a much slower return rate for the shorter mode (
we'll explain why later in the review). Riding the bike a few times with the stock air pressures out back revealed that it felt just a touch harsh, as well as offering a higher ride height than we would prefer, so we dropped 10 PSI and ended up feeling much better about everything. After talking to Cannondale about it, they apparently agree and are planning on releasing a revised pressure chart for the bike. It was a different story up front, with us going up in pressure slightly, likely due to how unprepared we were for the Lefty's impossibly smooth and active stroke. The setup process certainly did take longer than what we're used to but technophiles will likely enjoy the exercise, and those less inclined are advised that it's well worth the effort.
| We prefer to think of it as having uncommon beauty, much like how you look at an attractive foreign model and think, ''yeah, I totally would.'' Well, we totally would with the Trigger. |
Climbing/acceleration: While many longer travel all-mountain machines seem to be excused of their so-so climbing abilities as long as they shine on the way back down, there really is no pardoning a 130mm travel bike that ascends poorly, is there? Thankfully, the Trigger doesn't need to justify any climbing deficiencies because it manages to get to the top of mountains quite efficiently, even without taking advantage of the travel-reducing ELEVATE mode. In fact, we nearly always left the bike's rear suspension set to full open when on any type of singletrack, smooth or rough, despite how quick and easy it is to use the clever DYAD remote. Glassy, featureless gravel road climbing might have been the only time that we felt the need to give the thumb lever a push, but that wasn't the case when it comes to the bike's Lefty fork that is so active, so eager to suck up the smallest of ripples in the ground, and therefore also so keen to move in its travel when out of the saddle. We've not often championed fork lock-outs, but out of the saddle efforts aboard the Trigger when on gravel roads or doubletrack are aided when you reach for that climbing aid.
If it sounds like we're complaining about a fork being
too active, we should clarify that the pluses of such supple travel far outweigh the desire to reach for its firming push-button option, and that it really only became noticeable when throwing one's weight around in standing efforts. The feature does its job well, though, firming up the Lefty enough to silence its liquid-like movement but not so much that it can't mute the hole or rock that you didn't see coming.
Stiffening up the fork while simultaneously running the back end at 80mm transforms the Trigger into something close to a cross-country race rig (
although the meaty Hans Dampf tires mask that somewhat), but we need to ask if the DYAD shock's multiple personalities make sense for the average rider. The answer will likely come down to how competitive you see yourself, and we're not just talking about racing in the truest sense of the word, but even if you like to make a habit of trying to out-sprint or drop your friends on climbs, or if you aren't ashamed in the slightest to go KOM hunting. If that sounds like you, then you'll likely make more use out of the DYAD's two functions than a rider who is simply happy to set their motor to idle when the ride starts to gain in elevation.
Technical riding: As we talked about earlier, the Trigger has a big feel to it compared to other 29ers of the same 'large' size designation, although Cannondale has been able to mask that to a great extent by creating handling that comes across sharper than the advertised 69° head angle figure would have you believe. It might feel as if the Trigger's rear end is still working its way through that last switchback, but the bike's on-the-nose steering will have you squaring up your line sooner than you think is possible, thereby allowing you to have the bike move through some pretty technical terrain at a good clip. Take a proactive approach - steer the bike with certainty rather than let it float where it wants to go - and you'll get through pretty much any slow speed brawls that a trail is going to throw at you. Ride reactive and off the back, though, and you simply won't be able to take advantage of the its traction and ability to punch and kick its way past the worst of the worst. And it's that take-charge attitude that will allow you to carry good momentum, which is key with the Trigger because its tall-ish feeling position translates to less confidence as the speeds dip lower and lower, forcing the rider to rely more on balance than the bike's own desire to stay upright. This is especially noticeable in the sort of moments when speeds drop close to zero and it's do or don't, with the don't part meaning a guaranteed get-off. Once we realized that, we pointed the Trigger through some hairball portions of trail while in Sedona without a second thought, but it wasn't until we gained that confidence that we felt comfortable doing so.
That pointy feeling handling mentioned above is also present when climbing technical walls, with the Trigger a force to be reckoned with when rider skill makes the difference between success and failure - the bike really does allow a committed and technically gifted rider to get up some serious pitches. We're putting this fact down to two points: there is oodles and oodles of traction on tap; and that sharp and exacting steering allows you to take full advantage of all of it. We also find ourselves backtracking with our thoughts a bit at this point in the review, because although the Trigger feels a touch limousine-long at some moments, it also comes across as feeling as nimble as anything when a bit of dancing is required to get up and over something. In fact, it was the only bike out of twenty top-end machines on hand that managed to scramble up one particularly tricky bit of trail that we began referring to as the ''waterfall'' due to the short trail only offering a one-way ticket down and not back up. Those tacky Schwalbe Hans Dampf tires certainly help matters at such times, allowing you to depend on them a bit more than you might with a less aggressive tire that can't claw up steps and loose dirt in the same way. We gravitated towards a much slower rebound speed for the DYAD's short travel mode as well, something that is possible thanks to the separate rebound control for each setting. This seemed to help keep the bike glued to the ground, further enhancing its abilities.
| If there's one thing to take away here it's that the Trigger might feel tall and long at first, but it is far more capable than we originally gave it credit for. Actually, it has become one of our favourite technical ascenders once we realized how it wants to be ridden, and we're betting that many other riders will feel the same once they've given it a good amount of time on the trail. Although it's not a bike that one feels immediately at home on, it will reward riders that take the time to learn how to get the most out of it. |
Downhill: The 130mm travel Trigger was certainly one of the most anticipated test bikes in recent memory, something that was largely due to the bike's radical suspension that had everyone asking questions. How can the Lefty compare to the best from FOX and RockShox? Will its DYAD shock perform when pushing hard on Sedona's ultra rocky trails? How will the Zero Pivot design hold up? The Trigger certainly had some answering to do, and three weeks of saddle time in Sedona was able to tell us a lot about the unconventional bike, with the most notable talking points coming courtesy of the Lefty. Here's the thing: it is so torsionally rigid that it makes other forks of similar travel feel as if they've gone back to quick release axles and 28mm stanchion tubes. That sort of rigidity goes beyond the common descriptors that we'd usually insert at this point, and contributes to a direct front end feel that simply has no peers when talking about trail bikes. There is more, though, because the Lefty's roller bearing design offers a ride that is ridiculously supple and active at all points in its travel. This is especially noticeable when hard on the brakes, either into a corner or over rough ground, with the fork able to absorb chop like no other. It does feel as if it could use some added low-speed compression damping to help hold it up, though, but this suspicion might simply be down to us not being used to the ultra active stroke. An external low-speed compression adjustment would be great addition to the fork, thereby giving us another tool to dial-in our preferred setup, but we settled on bumping up the fork's air spring a touch above the recommended setting and ended up being happy with its performance from there.
And what of that crazy shock out back? Well, it turns out that it feels very much like any inline, air sprung shock of similar stroke, and we mean that in a good way. The Trigger's back end doesn't feel overly forgiving, especially when compared to what is happening up front, but it is surely par for the course when talking about the performance of 130mm travel bikes. We're talking mainly about smaller impacts that had us wishing for a slightly more tolerant stroke from the DYAD, with it feeling a touch harsh on compression despite us settling on running a bit less air than Cannondale recommends. It was surprisingly invisible everywhere else, though, and it wasn't long past the initial setup stages that we completely forgot we had anything unusual under us.
The Trigger is a bike that took more setup time than we've come to expect relative to today's set-and-forget rigs, but the bike absolutely rails once you've nailed your setup. For us, that meant a slightly stiffer spring rate up front, combined with a slightly softer spring rate out back that allowed the bike to ride a touch lower and handle exactly how we were looking for. The Lefty's excellent capabilities, along with the grippy tires and swap to a shorter stem and wider handlebar, left us with total confidence in the Trigger's front end. Lean on it hard and it'll be there for you, with no pushing or washing out, something that we certainly can't say about the other bikes that we rode on Sedona's sometimes sandy trails, and also a trait that was greatly appreciated as the speeds picked up. Don't expect downhill bike-like performance, obviously, but it plainly makes other front ends feel a bit wishy washy about whether they're going to do as you ask. Factor in the bike's big footprint and you have a machine that can be railed harder than the very large majority of other 130mm platforms out there, although it is also a bike that seemed to want to stay closer to the ground than some of the competition. Playful it might not be, but it will get you from point A to B in a hell of a hurry.
Technical Report• The Trigger's Magura MT6 brakes proved to be quite polarizing among those who spent time on the bike. On one hand, they offer a degree of modulation and control that many other brake manufacturers can only dream of, a trait that makes them a good choice for anyone who often rides in loose or wet conditions. The flip side to that is that they felt down on power compared to those aforementioned stoppers, enough so that we had to adjust our riding style accordingly. All is not lost, though, as the high-end MT6's, with their 'Carbotecture SL' master cylinder, can be hopped up by simply swapping out the stock organic brake pads for a set of aftermarket sintered units. Trust us when we say that you won't regret doing so.
• If you've read any of our reviews of bikes that come stock with Schwalbe's Hans Dampf tires you'll know that we're big fans of the ultra-predictable rubber that seems to be able to excel nearly anywhere. Fortunately, the folks at Cannondale also feel the same, choosing to spec the Trigger with the gucci version of the German brand's best tire. Entering the applicable marketing names here that might cause some eye rolling - Snakeskin (
additional sidewall protection), TrailStar (
multiple rubber compound tread), and Tubeless Ready - but the bottom line is that these are among the best tires that money can buy, and the fact that they shine on terrain that varies from the loam, slick roots, and wet trails of our B.C. home to the rocky and marbly trails found in Sedona, Arizona, proves this point. They're not perfect, though, as they seem to have the lifespan similar to that of a fruit fly. Performance isn't free, is it?
• With a UST certified bead and sealed rim bed, we love how the Trigger's Mavic Crossmax ST 29 wheelset can be tubeless'd easier than installing standard tires and tubes on some other wheelsets on the market. And while their burly looking rims and Zircal bladed spokes makes them appear to be a touch portly (
even with their low spoke count) the 1620 gram weight for the set is extremely light this side of carbon rims, with even more weight saved by the ability to forgo rim strips and tubes. Having praised them, we certainly could do without the rear wheel's bearing preload ring backing off multiple times during testing, even if it was more of an annoyance that could be sorted out quickly rather than a serious issue.
• With its remote controlled DYAD shock and RockShox Reverb seat post, the Trigger could easily sport a rat's nest of cables like found on some other bikes with more than the usual on the handlebar. That isn't the case, though, with Cannondale using external but smartly routed cables that blend into the frame's lines so well that it would be easy to make the mistake from a distance of thinking it has internal routing all around. Its Reverb Stealth does use internal housing, of course, which goes a long way towards the sleek look, and sturdy hose guides on the underside of the down tube hold lines for the rear brake and shift, and the Reverb seat post.
• The XX1 and X01 single ring drivetrain components aren't anything out of the ordinary for a bike in the Trigger's chic price range, but the aluminum HollowGram Si cranks most certainly are. Cannondale says that the hollow forged arms sport an impressive stiffness to weight ratio, but we couldn't discern that while on a 130mm travel bike with 2.35" tires. They also emitted quite the creaking noise right out of the box, a reasonably annoying thing on a bike that costs $8,120 USD, but also something that we were able to fix by sliding them out and applying new grease and fresh Loc-Tite where required.
Pinkbike's take: | Mountain bikers aren't the most open minded bunch when it comes to out of the box thinking, a fact that that is going to go against the Trigger, a bike that doesn't exactly toe the line when it comes to accepted norms. That's a bit of a shame, because Cannondale is doing some impressive things here. Those with more liberal views (and deep pockets) will be getting a machine that, while having its own drawbacks like any bike, really does offer some performance advantages, especially when talking suspension. There's no doubt that Trigger owners are guaranteed some funny looks at the trailhead, but then they're also guaranteed some big smiles of their own.- Mike Levy |
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As far as the bike goes...seems like too many gimmicks as Cannondale always has been, but then again...they must work for some people! It's good to have brands thinking outside the norm, even if it isn't always pretty or cool.
All of this costs loads of money to develop and is a pain in the ass when buying a new frame. Don't we have enough standards in MTB? Aren't bikes expensive enough already?
You don't have to buy this stuff. Im right there with you I don't want to be on the leading edge of developing tech, I want something that is normal and reliable. In fact Im not interested in the Cane Creek suspension because for me it's a little too far "out there" and doesn't use some of the standardized stuff that I like. If everyone was like us we would be stuck riding some boring old bikes. I don't ever see myself buying a single thing from cannondale, but throughout the history of mountain biking I think cannondale has been one of the most interesting and exciting companies out there
Same goes for the Lefty, if you admit a Pike (which, again, can go on any bike and is super easy to service) performs better, why bother with the Lefty?
Cannondale should realise the 90's are over.
Bullseye Components had the first patented welded tubular arm to crank arm cranks with one arm slipping over the splined ends of the spindle, and sliding into a cartridge bearing bottom bracket whose cups threaded into the frame. Shimano couldn't release their external hollowtech system until the Bullseye patent expired. Bullseye's bearings however largely sat inside the width of the BB shell of the frame and the spindle diameter was about 17mm so same as most square taper high-end BB used with cartridge bearings. Tioga and Grove had variations on the design also. Grove in particular used the triangular lobed spindle end that E-13/Hive would end up copying decades later.
Magic Motorcycle (which cannondale eventually bought out), founded by a guy named Alex Pong had one of the first massively oversized hollow alloy arm and spindle cranksets with external bearings but they used a seperate bottom bracket / left arm / right arm arrangement with the arms bolting to the ends of the splined
spindle. Think Octalink/ISIS setups for more modern and successful versions of the idea.
Sweet Parts had the first hollow steel (and very lightweight / very strong) crank/bb set where the BB spindle was splined but cut in the center and welded to both left and right arms, and the bearings were large and completely external to the frame shell. You put the spindles in on the left and right and then a bolt and long allen wrench inside the hollow spindle ends bolted the two halves together. A set of tubular heat-treated CrMo arms and spindle, AND the bottom bracket was about 450 grams (no rings/ring bolts). As I recall the BB spindle diameter was 24mm.
Point is Cannondale chooses to tackle challenges differently, which is something I respect but only if it offers real world benefits and I honestly believe they could build a better handling, more practical and cheaper bike by using existing top level components.
Muzak - Propaganda? I thought only wheel size involved politics? Why bother reading the comments section if you can't handle (constructive) criticism? Or PB altogether - they might even give a bad review..
Re. the DYAD, it isn't just the shock's ability to limit suspension movement, it completely changes the Trigger's geometry. The Cane Creek, as good as it is, doesn't have the same sort of effect.
I still stand by my opinion that for a rider looking at a 130mm travel XC-ish bike, the Trigger is a great option, and it is the Lefty and DYAD that make it so. There is a good chance (but not always) that the rider who is looking at the Trigger isn't the kind of person who feels they need a Pike or a CCDB.
You have OBVIOUSLY never seen or ridden a lefty.
The internals do not have any harsh square edges. The inner shaft has rounded "edges" to avoid the weakness you are describing.
It is absolutely stiffer and more plush than traditional forks. It just is. The stiffness is a fact, so please quit arguing. The plushness is also widely agreed upon by everyone who has ridden one.
Far from "overengineered" it DOESN'T need a 2nd side, doesn't need a 20mm thru-axle, and doesn't need an arch to brace against flex. It doesn't have bushings which wear and suffer from stiction, etc.
You need to spend less time thinking and more time learning... The only way it will be outperformed is in the number of silly adjustments available on everyone else's damper in an attempt to make the fork feel as plush as a Lefty.
Seriously, re-read your first comment about cramping everything in that leg... it's FINE. People are STILL riding 10+ year old Leftys, meanwhile the inferior bushing design on "traditional" forks has worn out the stanchions and they leak oil everywhere, flex like crazy and suck just as bad as they did when new.
Ride one, come back, join the conversation when you've worked on them, ridden them, and ridden their competition.
Also: www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WlRqcAQr2w.
Mike Levy - They might as well have used the 140mm Pike. As for the DYAD, why would you want to change the geometry for pedalling efficiency if altering the damping does the trick as well?
You seem to want to make it something it isn't . Mike said it best "There is a good chance (but not always) that the rider who is looking at the Trigger isn't the kind of person who feels they need a Pike or a CCDB".
The change in geometry is massively appealing to those who like to climb, especially extended steep pitches where you want to get over the front more. A bike with that kind of geometry as stock (i.e. an XC race bike) will climb beautifully but be compromised descending and vice versa for the climbing of a slack "trail" bike. It isn't just about the damping although this is nice to vary too.
The Lefty discussion has been put to bed by others (rizetech summarises why the design is as it is nicely) and deeeight makes one of the best comments to sum it up! The Lefty has everything most people look for in a hard riding fork for a fraction of the weight... but it is different and the average MTBer is scared of change It is a 130mm XC/ "trail" fork not a 160mm FR fork!
The appeal of the whole package is probably for an XC rider looking for a bike for the longer trips in higher mountains that have descents just outside their comfort zone. It isn't designed as a bike park shredder and props to Mike for writing a balanced review appreciating the intentions of the design and the limitations for various types of riders
Just as much fun to ride as the next fork - as long as you don't look down or get caught on it!..
Then came my downhill rig with a boxer, so I sold the boxer for a totem and barspin again
I did the switch from lefty to revelation. No tech issues with revelation )
PB: please do some kind of rating system, or a "editor's choice" or "PB writers' choice" type of thing. You're in the middle of reviewing 20 or so bikes, so please come to some conclusions other than "every bike is different". For the record, I appreciate the work you do and know that I am reading it for free...
Here's my problem, I hardly see any reason to read any review about an XX1 equipped, $6500 trail monster any more. I know it's rad. I know you'll love it. I know I want it. Add carbon wheels and I know the only complaint you'll be able to rustle up is that the handlebar is under 800mm. And most importantly, I know it doesn't apply to me in the least.
I hear you retort, "but the Trigger line starts at $3500, surely the results of our review reflect the entire lineup" No, they don't. There's actually some competition at the $3500 price point. Some brands make better compromises than others, some have more competitive pricing, some are clearly lighter than others, and some are just dogs. Every $6500 full suspension bike available today is awesome. No one has ever gotten off a bike that came stock with carbon wheels without a smile on their face. You're getting ringers here guys. Off the shelf ringers, but ringers none-the-less.
Now your thinking, "but lawnchair, we review more modest bikes too." So, for the sake of a informed argument, I ran through the last dozen trail bike reviews review y'all did (I skipped two dh bikes cause they all crazy expensive, and two reviews from china I could really pull much data out of), and did some real informal data collection. Of the last twelve bikes, 7 had XX1. 4 had carbon wheels (including the one hardtail, btw). The ten that came complete have an average price of $6533. One bike was under $3k. Matter of fact, one bike was under $4600....
high cost=high maintenance=better everything, is it worth it, its up to the buyer.
if you think it is priced high, stop looking (get out of the not cheap sport of biking) or save your money like a normal person
thats why they have cheaper models
some people buy expensive electronics, others buy expensive cars, some buy bikes.... lots of bikes
But I am fat, know nothing about bikes and slow as molasses...
I'm always puzzled that you dont get pedals with superbikes in this pricerange.
"It's a personal choice" they always say - but so are tires, grips, stem, saddle and so on .. how come the pedals are always missing and the saddle isn't? :-)
although i do agree. if i buy a bike, i want the whole damn thing.. it cant be that hard to come together and create one standard for clip in pedals for mtbs.
I've sold a lot of bikes over the years especially the years where they all came with clips and flat and at the end of the season the shop would seriously have a tupperware box full of pedals that came off bikes because it wasn't the right pedal for their foot, or they already had a nice set of pedals and didn't want those.. wow the reasons were endless. And then people bitched and bitched about the price of the bike because they had nicer pedals at home they wanted to use and they didn't need the ones its had....
A store owner could for sure put a cheap pair of pedals on, but those who don't know any better will ride these crap pedals and have a bad riding experience. The owner has to pay a set price for the bike, why should he have to loose more money in stocking pedals. ... OK he adjusts the price to include good/better pedals, now the price of the bike doesn't match the MSRP price thats on the website.. the owner is a scammer by your accords.. see how this goes on and on and on...
I for one am glad bikes don't come with pedals, give me that last little bit of customization when I buy my bike. I as a shop employee isn't stuck with trying to decide what to do with a box of cheap pedals at the end of the season, and every shop owner I know of will give you a really good price on a pair of pedals to go with your new steed and if thats still not enough here's a cheap pair of crappy $10 pedals that will wear out in a month.
Cars and homes don't come complete either you still have to buy add ones. Bikes aren't special... just expensive.
I must say that i my experience with my own bike is quite similar to Mikes review. I am extremely surprised how well it tracks. Its possible to plow over anything. It is almost boring to ride, because you don't have to pick your line that carefully because it will shred the living hell out of the trail. I have also done 6-7 foot drops on the thing and fairly large jumps with no problems. Of course its easier on my DH bikes, but i am surprised how well the Trigger holds up on relative freeride/DH oriented features.
I you have your technique sorted, its possible to ride some pretty gnarly stuff on it.
Regarding the Lefty... i have a Fox 40 on my SC and a Boxxer on my Demo. I can't feel any difference between the forks regarding stiffness. All people who hate Leftys i have only one thing to say; Try one! Yes it is extremely expensive, but if you can afford it you will not be disappointed.
The DYAD shock works fairly well too, not much to say about that. Personally i like the difference between the two modes, and it gives the bike this dual personality feel.
Anything bad to say about the bike then? It depends on what sort of riding you want to do of course, but for an AM bike i think they nailed it. I know the review says that its XC'ish which i will agree upon but its also capable of some gravity riding.
It came with Crest rims which me and my sometimes short landings have destroyed and thereby replaced with Flow instead.
My last two cents: Buy the bike and Send it!
I would love to see Cannondale make a 150-165mm 27,5 or 29 bike. I love my 26 wheels on the DH rigs, but for AM/Enduro i think 29 and 27,5 is justified.
Felt that Lefty was stiffer tham Magura Wotan and a lot stiffer than RS Revelation )
Anyway, my point was that once the roller bearings go, the fork is basically finished. This used to happen quite a lot with the old Lefty's and Fatty Head Shox, I would've hoped Cannondale had fixed the problem. OK, yeah, they work pretty well until they're that point (competently rooted), which didn't take very long, compared to simpler, more conventional suspension designs, like Marzocchi's open bath. What a surprise, simple works best for mountain bike, who would've thunk it?
Umm... the needle bearings are one of the cheapest replacement parts. A lefty has very few parts and most are replaceable/ interchangeable between a lot of different models. There are guys running 10 year plus old Leftys and getting performance out of them similar to day one
The "roller bearings" only "go" if you never maintain the fork and allow them to get corroded. I have seen this happen a few times where they are COATED in rust because the boot got torn, and water got in. That's failure to maintain your equipment. And equivalent wear happens on traditional forks.
Further, if you bothered to learn about the design you are criticizing, you would know that for the 2013 model year they updated the Lefty design to address the exact issue you are talking about. The needle bearings now have an oil bath and are protected by a bushing and seal at the bottom of the Upper Stanchion. Additionally, this updated design allows them to reset themselves, eliminiating migration issues.
There is a VERY valid argument against the Lefty if your riding style demands a 6"+ fork, and the additional damping power available in traditional forks where there's room for more oil.
There's almost no valid argument against the Lefty for the riding it is intended for: XC/Trail.
If everyone that is hating is hucking 3' drops then just say "well, I huck 3' drops and prefer a traditional fork" = cool, have fun. But for the love of god, stop exposing your ignorance by attacking design features like you have an engineering degree - you don't. And you have obviously never even worked on a Lefty enough to understand how it functions.
LOL, yeah right! Fox's regular offerings are fickle at best when it comes to requiring regular servicing (with dubious performance, eh CTD owners?), can't imagine what this thing's like! Marzocchi had a rough patch circa '08-'09, but their new stuff (my trail bike's a VP-Free with '11 66 Evo Ti) is unfknblvbl, performs better than ever... Did someone mention servicing? Change the oil once a year and you're good to go, none of this strip and rebuild every 20 hours crap that Fox demands, what a joke!
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On a side note people just so blindly complain about the wheel sizes. If there wasn't any innovation we would all still be on V-brakes. I never thought I would ride a FS bike because I was faster than most on my hard tail. I remember back in the day I swore I would never use disc brakes. I didn't part with my 8-speed drive train until 2010 when I went 9 speed. Than Shimno axed that and went to 10 speed a month later. These bikes are fun and exciting. Sure I would never purchase this but I still think its exciting. I just converted my Mojo HD to 650B and I am loving it. I'm not saying its better. It's just fun. Bring on the negative props and thanks for doing this review.
I've been riding a long time in the uk, Europe and now Australia and had bikes from most big companies. Until about 12 months ago I had 3 bikes including a top shelf v10 with a pushed rear shock.
My current ride is a cannondale claymore running the dyad.
I have ridden it down double blacks all day on shuttle days. Done all day epics. I ride at least once a week sometimes 3. Set up correctly the dyad feels no compromise on the v10 For all but the biggest repetitive big hits on VERY long runs and that is simply the rebound heat piece on all air shocks. run the elevate mode hard and fast and easily keep up with my mates on xc trails and then smash pump tracks and dirt jumps. If you haven't ridden this set up the shock actually changes geometry completely from a downhill slack head angle to a xc steep. It's not just a travel thing.
In terms of set up I like the rear shock a bit harder than recommended by about 10% I also run the thumb lever upside down.
The whole bikes weighs 13.5kgs 180mm travel in full mode 110mm in elevate 66 degree head angle. Pretty decent numbers.
Not interested in marketing or the make of my bike. I just like having one bike that I can put great kit on instead of having 3 average bikes. Interestingly apart from replacing cables, not one other issue with the bike. Maybe I've been lucky who knows but most of my other bikes have developed creaks and rattles in half the time.
I ve thought about changing it recently, but simply cannot find a ride that can do what this can and that really is due to the shock versatility. For me it makes more sense for the shock to run longer travel though so I think the new jeykell would be a better ride than this trigger.
Lots of companies in all areas of product development across our daily lives produce things that are better than the accepted "best" but lack the marketing clout to force their products down everyone's throats, or are proud to not be a marketing driven BS machine and let people with half an interest in actually getting the best product come to them. It might not be the best commercial approach but I know which of the two approaches I'd rather work for (if given the chance ) and support
quoted for awesomness and truthiness. Love my lefty!
Also, why develop that overly complicated DYAD shock when a CCDBA CS is proven to work on climbs?
Also if you had a choice of purchasing the new Rockshox Pike fork or a Lefty.....which one would you honestly buy? I know which one I would.
It is a dual crown fork. This one fact makes the fore-aft stiffness potentially on par with DH forks. Single crowns face a huge leverage disadvantage.
it has a solid axle where the hub is literally bolted on. The axle is a single piece of metal, directly connected to the shock leg.
It is a keyed slider. The fork cannot twist at all unless the material fails. It also won't bind or have increased friction when lateral or torsional force is applied, like a fork that relies solely on bushings is prone to.
A traditional fork doesn't get a ton of extra stiffness by having two legs. Think about it; the spring is only in one leg anyways. The two legs, combined with the arch of the lowers prevent the fork from rotating torsionally. Other than that, the second leg doesn't add to any lateral or fore/aft strength because each leg has much less material in it compared to an over built lefty. Since it only has one leg, it can make the structure with more material for the same weight.
A big problem with the old systems is that the bearings could get mis-aligned, so they would start rolling at too high a place on the races and hit the end of their track before all the travel is being used. They claim this is fixed. This should mean that they are more durable than in the past.
All inverted shocks also benefit from having the dust wiper/seal interface upside down. Look at your seals on a traditional fork after a dusty or muddy ride. Oil residue or water coat the stanchions, and dirt/mud sticks to it. The dust wipers clear it off as the fork goes up and down, but then builds up on the wiper after a ride. Often a bunch of gunk builds up right behind the arch. This rubs on your stanchions, wearing them down, and it also wears out your seals faster. In an upside down design, there is no where for this excess dirt to accumulate, and just falls off the fork and onto the trail.
Problem was they insisted on building their own engine, and that was their undoing. If the Japs do one thing right, it's reliability, and Cannondale dirt bikes were lucky to make it out the start gate while their Japanese counterparts never had a problem, reliable like a hammer. Anyway, they should've just appropriated a Honda or Kawasaki engine instead of persisting with their own, and the motorcross division sucked all the money out of the entire company. From wiki; "In the late 1990s Cannondale attempted to move into the motorsports business, producing a line of off-road motorcycles and all-terrain vehicles. According to an interview with Cannondale Communications Director, Tom Armstrong, the company was unable to drive down the cost of their motor vehicles fast enough. Sales took off when the company was still losing money on each motorbike they shipped. This gap drove the company to seek bankruptcy protection in 2003, and to sell off the motorsport division. Cannondale's bicycle division was purchased in 2003 by Pegasus Capital Advisors, which supported the company's renewed focus on bicycle production.[4] In February 2008, Cannondale was purchased from Pegasus Capital Advisors by Dorel Industries. In April 2009 it was announced that all production would be transferred to Taiwan.[5]"