Commencal Meta SL and Supreme FR - Ride Impressions

Aug 18, 2012 at 13:12
Aug 18, 2012
by Richard Cunningham
 
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Commencal set Pinkbike up on its Meta AM last Crankworx and after a day playing on the Lost Lake trails, and another spent shredding Whistler's mid-mountain descents, it was love at first ride. This Crankworx, Commencal tricked us out with the Meta SL - a lighter weight, reduced-travel version of the Meta AM designed to fill the aggressive trailbike role. We spent the morning again riding the Lost Lake matrix to make a direct comparison with the AM version and then switched to a new 2013 addition to the Commencal lineup - the 180-millimeter-travel Supreme FR park playbike. By the end of the day, we had covered a healthy portion of Whistler's best and were ready to post a couple of first-ride impressions on two shredders from the Andorra bike brand.


Commencal Supreme FR II

The Supreme FR was inspired after Commencal's marketing and design team spent a week riding big bikes at Whistler. Commencal's downhiller, the Supreme DH V3, is a proven capable racer, but its purposeful handling and dedicated suspension was a bit much for a bike park setting. The guys went home and immediately started to design a more playful gravity bike that would enhance the bike park experience, with a shorter wheelbase, a tad steeper head angle and a little less suspension travel. One year later Commencal's staff returned to ride Whistler with the Supreme FR. If you ride park, you will like this bike.

Commencal Supreme FR II

Supreme FR 2 Highlights:
- New Supreme FR frame
- Fox Van R shock
- Fox Van 180 R O/B fork
- Sram X9 drivetrain
- Formula RX disc brakes
- Maxxis Minon DHF 26x2.5 tires, 2-ply
- Color: Cool matte grey
- Weight: 38 pounds (17.6kg)
- Price: TBD


Supreme FR Construction

The Supreme FR frame uses the same 'Contact System' suspension configuration Commencal developed for its World Cup DH V3 frame. The Fox DHX VAN shock is compressed through a seat tube tunnel between the swingarm and the rocker link. This reportedly removes stress from the main frame. The wide stance of the two struts that form the shock tunnel also boosts stiffness at the Supreme's 83mm press-fit bottom bracket shell. To make room for the rear tire at full compression, the Supreme FR's seat tube is offset forward about an inch and a half (30mm), and its raked-back, 62-degree angle reminds us that Commencal designed this bike for serious gravity work. On that happy note, there is also no provision for a front derailleur, and the bottom bracket is low (only 4 millimeters above the axle line).

Commencal Supreme FR II suspension

A look downwards at the Contact System suspension reveals that the shock is compressed in two directions by the swingarm and the upper rocker link. The twin struts form a sturdy mount for the swingarm pivot. Commencal will ship the bikes with a rear-facing neoprene mud guard that protects the shock and suspension.



The 180-millimeter-travel chassis is balanced by a 180mm Fox 36 VAN R fork and sports a 64-degree head angle - quick by today's DH racing standards. Commencal chose that number to keep the Supreme FR pinned in the corners and nimble enough so that park rider could enjoy the narrower singletracks and tighter jump trails that are common at lift-access playgrounds. The shorter wheelbase created by the one-degree steeper steering angle and its tighter, 437mm chainstay length, gives the Supreme FR a measure of agility compared to a dedicated DH racing sled, and its shorter travel provides more pop on the jumps.

Commencal Spreme FR Internal Cable Routing

Internal cables and brake hoses are routed through the hollow bottom bracket forging (right) on their way to the rear brake and derailleur.



Commencal states the weight of its new freerider at 38 pounds, which is on the upper end of the DH spectrum these days. The good news is that the low and centered suspension configuration keeps the heavier bits of the chassis from adversely affecting the bike's ride qualities. Other chassis highlights are its internal cable and hose routing, and some massively strong clevis-type pivots at each end of the seat stays. Word is that the 2013 frame is now 25-percent stiffer in all directions. Commencal sells the Supreme FR in small, medium and large sizes and offers the lower-priced dash-2 model in 'cool grey' and the higher-spec dash-1 version in bright yellow.

Supreme FR II Component Check

Commencal states in its spec sheet that the Supreme FR II uses an FSA Gap DH crankset, but the bikes at Crankworx sported e*thirteen cranks to match the LG1 chainguide (we hope they keep that combination), driving a SRAM X.9 rear derailleur. Tires are perfect-for-park, Maxxis Minion DHF two-ply 2.5-inch sticky rubber monsters, while the wheels are built up from Alex rims and Commencal house-brand hubs. Brakes are Formula's powerful RX, with flush reach-adjusters in the levers and full-size, 203mm rotors. Up top, the Supreme sports 760-millimeter-wide Commencal-branded low-rise bars and 50mm stem. Out back, the comfortable saddle and sturdy, zero-offset seat post are both house-brand items.

Commencal Supreme FR Components

Our test bike was upgraded with an e*thirteen crankset (left) although its matching LG1 chainguide is standard equipment. SRAM's positive-feeling X.9 shifting is well suited for gravity riding, as is Formula's precise and powerful RX brake (right)



Supreme FR II Ride Impression

Commencal's new freerider is one of those rare machines that feels as if you've owned it for a season on the first ride. The plan was to motor around Whistler's mid-mountain trails and get used to the bike, but a surprise invitation to ride the new Top of the World Trail cranked up the volume. One can learn a lot about a bike in a top-to-bottom ride at Whistler. Turns out that Commencal's Supreme FR chassis delivers as promised - smooth and easy to manage on narrow singletrack, and quite capable down the steeps and jumps that put the world's most popular bike park on the map. The Supreme FR can be snatched over drainage ditches and small gaps with an easy pop on the pedals, and with its grabby tires and shorter wheelbase, the Supreme FR gets around the berms on A-line like a moto. Brrraaaaap!

Less-than-pro-riders will be pleased to know that, while the Commencal freerider is short-changed in the travel department by inch or so over its full-fledged DH relatives, it can cover a lot of mistakes - big ones - and keep the rubber side down. (Not that I personally landed short on some doubles or nose-dived some drops - I'm just sayin'). With its coil-spring suspension and sweet-performing chassis, the bike takes the edge off of braking chatter and sucks up a lot more punishment that we expected from a 180mm gravity bike. The Supreme FR is more of a drifter than a slider when the bike is pressed beyond its grip in a turn, but if the cameras are rolling, dropping a foot is all it takes to toss a few shovel-fulls of dirt off the trail. There were three riders in our group riding Supreme FRs, each riding at different skill levels, and all of us were at ease on the bike - which tells us that Commencal got its numbers and spec right on the money. Hopefully, we'll have a full review up for you in the near future. Until then we can say for certain that Commencal's Supreme FR II is a hell of a lot of fun to ride at Whistler.

Commencal Supreme FR geometry


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Commencal Meta SL

Responding to pressure from customers who wanted a lighter-weight version of its sweet-handling Meta AM, Commencal designed a cross-country friendly look-alike called the Meta SL. The Meta SL was a 2012 release that hovers just outside the edge of the short-travel segment of the XC/trail market that is so dominated by 29ers. Weighing a claimed, 28 pounds (12.75kg) and with only 120-millimeters of front and rear travel, Commencal's statement that the Meta SL is a lightweight Enduro/AM bike is suspect. That said, its slack-ish 68-degree head angle, low bottom bracket height and Contact System suspension hints that there may be a lot more technical performance hidden in the bike than its suspension travel suggests. The Meta SL is offered in only one model for 2012, armed with Fox suspension, a SRAM X.0/X.9 drivetrain and Formula RX brakes - but three different price points will arrive for the coming 2013 model year. North American pricing is being finalized, so check in with Commencal for the good news if you are in the market for one. We rode the beautiful blue and mate black machine on and around last year's enduro course near the Lost Lake trails.

Commencal Meta SL


Commencal Meta SL Details:
- butted and tapered 7005 aluminum frame, 120mm Contact System suspension, tapered head tube
- Fox 32 Float RL Fit 120mm fork
- Fox Float RP 23 Boost Valve shock
- SRAM X.0/X.9 two-by-ten drivetrain (42 x 28 - 11 x 36)
- Formula RX brakes (180mm rotors)
- Fulcrum Red Power wheelset - Maxxis High Roller (F) and Cross Mark (R) tires
- Sizes: Small, Medium, Large, X-Large
- Weight: 28 pounds (12.75kg)



Commencal Meta SL Ride Impression

Commencal' s claim that the Meta SL would perform like a lightweight Enduro/AM bike was bolstered by the baby Meta's agility on trail. It was easy to loft the front end, or simply power over, up and down the irregular granite outcrops that lay in wait on the Lost lake trails. There is plenty of rear-wheel traction when climbing steeps, but not as much available when the grade is moderate and the rider is standing on the pedals. In such cases, care must be taken to weight the rear end, otherwise, ambitious pedalers will leave a broken line of scratch marks up rolling climbs. Commencal's official word was that a dropper seatpost would add a pound of weight and a sizeable chunk of change to the Meta SL's MSRP was not enough convincing to stave off my criticism in this regard. I stopped a number of times to adjust my saddle height, not out of necessity, as the terrain in the LL region can be shredded at XC height. That said; the Meta SL's sweet handing in the turns and technical sections begged for 'enhancement' - and I would rather obtain that enhancement with a handlebar remote switch while I was still on the bike and in the flow.

Commencal Meta SL details

(Clockwise) Commencal chose a lightly narrower, 710mm handlebar for the Meta SL. Commencal's Contact System rear suspension has impressed us for its ability to keep the bike calm at speed. The Meta SL has internal cable and hose guides throughout - even for a dropper post, should its owner upgrade later. Care must be taken, however, to route the derailleur housings to avoid binding - we experienced slow rear shifts until a kinked housing was straightened (lower left).



While the Meta SL is going to impress a good bike-handlers with its ability to hold a precise line and negotiate steeps, it probably will not inspire them to enter any event resembling an XC race. Perhaps it was the tire combination (heavy UST tubeless casings, burdened with thick, Schrader-valve tubes), or perhaps it was my bad day to be on a bike, but the Meta SL never felt like it was rolling efficiently on the flats or hard-pack surfaces. Once up to speed, the bike held onto its momentum, it carried a lot of speed through corners and over rough terrain, but the bike did not inspire the sense of 'urgency' or 'quickness' through the crankset that is the hallmark of a good trailbike.

Commencal Meta SL geometry


Before you translate that last evaluation into a permanent stain on Commencal's latest trailbike, realize that half a day on an unfamiliar bike is not always enough to dial in its performance. I would love to ride the Meta SL in tubeless configuration, because its heavier, longer-travel Meta AM brother turned in a better performance under power in similar conditions last year. As noted in the introduction to this first impression, the Meta SL is a bike intended for 26-inch wheel lovers who want the lightest possible bike with which to ride enduro-type trails. Meta excels in the technical realm, but even with lighter, faster rolling tires, it will not approach the rolling efficiency of an equivalent-travel 29er. The good news it that Commencal also offers the Meta chassis in a 29er. We are sure that you will hear more from us about both Meta models in the future.


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83 Comments

  • + 52
flag MTB-Dan (Aug 18, 2012 at 13:15)
 Just a suggestion scoring out of 10 on product reveiws and first ride bikes?
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flag wakaba (Aug 18, 2012 at 23:28)
 FR: Nice and beefy frame, supersmooth rear suspension, large bearings, slack angles in a short and flickable frame. The engineering details are beautiful. Commencal knows how.

I still ride my 2010 Supreme:
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flag AlexRob (Aug 19, 2012 at 6:26)
 Niice, im still on my 09 supreme and loving it: www.pinkbike.com/photo/6883267
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flag wakaba (Aug 19, 2012 at 9:08)
 Cool!
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flag shishka (Aug 19, 2012 at 6:08)
 That fr supreme official drool bike, even at 38 huge pounds. I thinking could build a custom setup fr at 35-37 lbs pretty easy. Where the frame weight? And why the 7" supreme fr frame costing more than the 8 inch dh frame? Get it right commencal and you going to see alot of those fr's. Nobody spending big money on heavy frame.
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flag Stephen101 (Aug 19, 2012 at 18:55)
 I love mine wouldn't trade it for the world, I guess I'm nobody though
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flag shishka (Aug 19, 2012 at 20:38)
 Keep riding that bike, might see me on one if the price is right. How much does yours weigh? I shoot for 36.
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flag Stephen101 (Aug 20, 2012 at 14:18)
 Think it's around 38 straight outta the box
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flag shishka (Aug 22, 2012 at 6:34)
 Ya there no getting around that heavy bb section on the fr. Since it soo heavy and price doesnt make sense I probably go with a giant or spec or banshee even. $2000 without rear shock is insane for that frame. Specially when they offer dh frame for $1500 right now.
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flag reinholds Plus (Aug 22, 2012 at 15:04)
 It's last seasons DH frame, new one 2013 will go for around 2600Euro. If you're after frame set, I wouldn't buy the 2013, as it's 1:1 as 2012 only in green or yellow. I'm better of with 2012 1600Euro frame + 50Eur powder coating + 20Eur stickers (totals: 1670Euro) not 2600Euro 2013 frame. Just saying, FR isn't cheap, but so does any commencal frame of current/next season.
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flag shishka (Aug 24, 2012 at 5:47)
 Dam 2600 euro is out of control money. They have to do better or nobody buying that. I have alot of other options for under 2k that probably better bike anyway. I stay with my giant, spec, norco connections. This why you NEVER see anyone rocking any commencals on east coast of usa. If we spending alot of money it might as well be an intense or trek. Commencal need to understand they not the big dogs so ease up on the pricetags or they run themself into the ground.
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flag reinholds Plus (Aug 24, 2012 at 11:21)
 Well Commencal has always been on expensive side, but I don't think that it's more expensive then Specialized Demo 8 or Trek, it's even cheaper then those two, and DHv3 is WC frame, it is properly good frame. They do not have funds to hype people about them, like Trek does, but they perform with correct components as good as Trek, Santa-Cruz and all the other top guns do... You pay for what you get.
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flag shishka (Aug 27, 2012 at 6:24)
 Hey i have the money, but not trying to give it away. They either make a good deal or i buy from another company. The way i see it they be real lucky if i rock a commencal here in brooklyn. Trek, giant is always there with great bikes for cheap. Not one commencal in all of nyc.
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flag reinholds Plus (Aug 28, 2012 at 2:01)
 I'm feeling what you're saying, and that does suck that there is no option to get Commencal for better price. Only tip I can give you, is to ask discount from dealer... I'm not sure if I can tell the price dealers get the DH v3 for, but I can say, you can talk to reduce the price for 1000USD and dealer will still make some money.
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flag shishka (Aug 29, 2012 at 5:29)
 Thanks for the tip, i give that a shot because really want a fr frame. Looking to do big things so commencal should be advised to help a rider out. $20 euro for stickers is too funny. Now i really done with comm. Stick with the usual suspects for my freeride needs.
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flag reinholds Plus (Aug 18, 2012 at 15:57)
 I have DH v3, by far the best DH bike I have owned. Yes it's on heavy end with stock components, but it's just nukeproof (ops, what a reference). Seriously, its laterally very stiff, not V10c stiff, but stiffer then Demo FSR 8. The suspension is very progressive on the rear end, and it's one of the few bikes that fits tall guys Smile
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flag alisdairkay (Aug 20, 2012 at 0:28)
 It's like a transition tr250 but... Nicer
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flag general26 (Aug 18, 2012 at 14:38)
 Sounds like the Tr 250 now has a competitor
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flag kev1n (Aug 18, 2012 at 16:03)
 TR250 is the competitor
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flag JumpCaser (Aug 19, 2012 at 9:48)
 Yeah I think its down to these 2 bikes for me. Kinda leaning toward the supreme cuz not everyone has one and the looks are spot on. Wish the chain stay was a bit shorter though!
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flag Stephen101 (Aug 19, 2012 at 18:58)
 I'd go with the supreme, I just got mine off CRC and I absolutely love it, incredibly smooth and quiet while still being flickable, not to mention it flies like a dream
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flag shishka (Aug 22, 2012 at 6:36)
 How much does your new rig weigh? Happy trails, i would take supreme over transition any day.
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flag Stephen101 (Aug 22, 2012 at 15:56)
 Never actually weighed it myself, but everywhere I check it says 38lbs so I'll go with that
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flag dydanz (Aug 18, 2012 at 14:02)
 love the FR cable routing, make it so clean..
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flag scottfitz (Aug 19, 2012 at 0:00)
 Looks hard to clean to me.
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flag NineOneSix (Aug 20, 2012 at 12:39)
 I really can't wait to get a supreme DH V3, such a sexy frame. I'll have to wait though Smile
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flag jtb5150 (Aug 19, 2012 at 1:18)
 Commencal just makes sweet bikes! That FR looks even better in person. I love my Supreme V3 but I wish I could own both.
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flag andydd (Aug 18, 2012 at 13:55)
 Surprised they didnt review the Meta SX (As Dirt did) as that Meta is very close to the FR as a FR/AM bike.
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flag farmer-john-2000 (Aug 19, 2012 at 7:41)
 You know, I have always hated Commencals but those are both great looking bikes!
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flag themountain (Aug 20, 2012 at 15:01)
 That frame has the same geometry like my 99 Nicolai Lambda....not saying its bad ,but certainly not advanced!
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flag jaame (Aug 18, 2012 at 19:03)
 Excellent impartial closing sentence in the fr bit. Thumbs up pb.
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flag nojzilla (Aug 19, 2012 at 0:32)
 Supreme FR looks like a worthy replacement to the Furious...
I love my Furious a bit too much though Smile
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flag samminett (Aug 19, 2012 at 13:47)
 Richard, how much will the supreme FR cost aprox cheers.
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flag el-nombre (Aug 19, 2012 at 9:19)
 Are Commencal all good now or are they still suffering a bit from their crack happy days a few years back?
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flag Tomothy-DH (Aug 18, 2012 at 17:37)
 Makes my poor supreme 6 look a bit old..!
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flag wakaba (Aug 19, 2012 at 1:58)
 The rear action is - smmmmmooooth - even at 160mm - feels like a lot more...
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flag karlomtz (Aug 18, 2012 at 16:09)
 Ok, what's holding up the bikes??
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flag robskaz (Aug 24, 2012 at 14:10)
 Just had mine delivered...testing Chiksands Sunday Wink
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flag monkeykidd14 (Aug 18, 2012 at 13:24)
 Love commencal!
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flag Pabail (Aug 18, 2012 at 13:17)
 i so want to demo that supreme...
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flag nzstormer (Aug 18, 2012 at 21:47)
 I asked them if I could demo one at crankworx, they told me they are not a big enough company to have a demo fleet. Shame really, it's a little bit chicken and egg, because maybe they would grow more if they had a demo fleet.
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flag finnrambo (Aug 18, 2012 at 22:01)
 honestly if you spend enough time on any top end race bike you'll like it eventually... my opinion anyway
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flag oneghost (Aug 18, 2012 at 13:14)
 I've always admired Max and his bikes and think they are really elegantly executed
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flag madmax650 (Aug 18, 2012 at 17:20)
 Thank you! Big Grin
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flag oneghost (Aug 18, 2012 at 20:07)
 Max Commencal. dork. :-P
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flag Connor9686 (Aug 18, 2012 at 13:52)
 Can't stand them, don't last long either, nobby nics are my next buys
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flag cypher74 (Aug 18, 2012 at 14:16)
 nice to see that i'm not the only one thinking the meta chassis is overweight, shame they havent really addressed it with the SL, really needs to be 26-27.5lb with a dropper seat post to be a real trail bike contender in my opinion. guess i'll be sticking with my yeti till then.
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flag racerfacer (Aug 18, 2012 at 15:37)
 I am an XC racer and I don't think weight is as big of a deal as people make it out to be. Stans (or UST) up those tires, maybe even change to something non UST if you aren't riding very rocky terrain and drop a pound off there. On a rough loop course with maybe 300m of elevation gain, I raced my 30lb attack trail and did about just as well as I would have done on my 24.5lb race bike getting bucked off the many roots. And I'm sure most people will probably through some terrible tires like 2.35 nevegals on there anyways...
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flag faaz (Aug 18, 2012 at 16:14)
 a 26lb aluminium bike WITH a dropper post? are you a bit dense?
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flag riley-blott (Aug 18, 2012 at 20:50)
 Nevegalsts wrong with 2.35 Nevegals?!
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flag riley-blott (Aug 18, 2012 at 20:51)
 *what's
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flag deeeight Plus (Aug 19, 2012 at 10:08)
 Nevagals, in the skinny little 1.95 width nobody but XC racers ever order, are fast rolling tires. In the 2.35 size most people purchase, they're pigs compared to some other 2.35s on the market. I use them on bikes to sell because the media reporting them often used on bike builds they test have consumers convinced they're an amazing tire when they're just average. The only reason they are so widely spec'ed is because of how cheap they are being one of Kenda's oldest tire models in their current lineup. The tooling to make the tires are long since paid off and now the tire price is simply materials and labour.
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flag cypher74 (Aug 19, 2012 at 12:26)
 faaz are you?

my yeti asr-5 in aluminium with a carbon rear end. mid £ range 30 spd build and it weighs 26.5 lb so f*ck you.

plus i weigh 248 lb and it holds up to me hammering around all the black trails at what ever trail centre you care to name.

yes gotta agree that i'm not one for going super light weight but recently the weight of what seems to be classified as a trail bike is going through the roof, especially as most people i see at trail centres are over biked already.
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flag racerfacer (Aug 19, 2012 at 15:43)
 yeah good point. It seems that mostly everyone whose name isn't Wade, Ritichie, or Andreas is bringing a gun to a knife fight in terms of bike. Certainly people could get away with much less bike considering what they are using them for. That's what I love about racing though. Enduro, XC, or DH, everything is optimised for performance and weight....
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flag faaz (Aug 21, 2012 at 15:21)
 But that's exactly the point, the carbon rear end probably shaves off a good 1lb. Also I would like to see it on some proper scales, 26.5 does sound quite low. And you didn't mention what dropper post you're running?
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flag anonimous666 (Aug 20, 2012 at 19:45)
 Minions.. the best tire for all conditions...you just need to be fast.. and they will obey...
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flag anonimous666 (Aug 20, 2012 at 19:52)
 just my opinion.. commençal is getting so old school.. the concept is so well known... hate it
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flag captainian (Aug 21, 2012 at 11:02)
 You're right. It's just your opinion.
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flag jhodgkins (Aug 18, 2012 at 13:14)
 if the questions "do I want one?" then YES is my answerr
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flag malathion (Aug 18, 2012 at 16:38)
 RX brakes are killer. and e*thirteen cranks? hell yeah.
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flag nick65 (Aug 18, 2012 at 17:30)
 The FR is sick
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flag connorbitch (Aug 18, 2012 at 15:04)
 SEX!!
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flag alonalgr (Aug 18, 2012 at 16:30)
 Personally, I'm still waiting for a review of the NORCO TRUAX. that is some nice looking bike...
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flag Rambo387 (Aug 20, 2012 at 10:48)
 love the cable work...
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flag Maveri20 (Aug 19, 2012 at 14:52)
 too heavy.
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flag anonimous666 (Aug 20, 2012 at 19:38)
 no tires beat the high rollers and Minions....
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flag scottfitz (Aug 21, 2012 at 23:20)
 high roller 2 :p
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