DT Swiss Carbon Rim Prototype and 20mm Spline One Wheels?

May 3, 2013 at 7:05
May 3, 2013
by Matt Wragg  
 
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Here at the Lake Garda bike festival we spotted a Santa Cruz Tallboy sitting unobtrusively on the DT Swiss booth. Looking closer it became apparent that the unmarked, black rims are prototypes of a new carbon rim - we're not sure if you can see in the photos, but if you looked closely you could see the carbon weave in places. With the launch of their new Spline One wheelsets, it was becoming apparent that their EXC1550 carbon rims were looking a little dated. While the hubs on the bike here are the old 240s, the rims seem to take on much of the new technology we see in the Spline Ones. The profile looks wider than the old rims, which is a more general push DT are making, and there are no eyelets, suggesting it uses their new washer-based system. When asked, DT were giving little away, they just told us to come back and speak to them at Eurobike...

There are no markings on the rim, but you can see there are no eyelets and the wider profile.


New carbon rim

The Tallboy sitting on the booth.


Alongside the Tallboy was a Lapierre Froggy that we very nearly passed by. Until we noticed that it was running Spline One rims on a Fox 36. At the moment, Spline One wheels are only set to be introduced with a 15mm axle option and the 36 uses a 20mm axle. Looking at the hub, it looks like an older model straight-pull laced up to the new rim. We do hope this is the sign of things to come though, as we think for the European style of enduro, a 36m stanchion fork with a 20mm through axle is still the setup to go for, and we'd like to see the updates in the Spline One wheelset available to people with that setup.

20mm Spline One

That looks like an older hub, mated to the new Spline One rim.


20mm Spline One

The wheel was running on a Lapierre Froggy, with a 20mm-axled, 180 Fox 36.

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52 Comments

  • + 115
 I am throwing my money at the screen, but nothing is happening.
  • + 43
 ^original comment of the year award
  • + 46
 At least it wasn't "looks like a session" or "Norbs got robbed" (he did though)
  • + 4
 Thats not original?
  • + 9
 I still think it is funny.
  • - 6
 Big wheels are for old people. Hey they should give you one of those cell phones with the huge numbers with every wagon wheel purchase. Little wheels are for kids ehy? Ok we like it like that staying young while you enjoy comfort rides. My whole crew of 30+ riders not one even says the word 29errr. More people enjoying 26" life than these companies would like to admit. It is all about sales at end of the business day. Our business is in the mountains and the 26s are doing very big things for us "kids"
  • + 24
 Everyone knows that throwing money at the screen doesn't help, you need to put your credit card in your cd-slot in order for them to be able to email you the product!
  • + 7
 Questrails....your calling Aaron Gwin and old guy...
  • + 5
 Every single post made by questrails is trolling. His login should be deleted. Until that happens ignoring him is the best thing to do as he feeds on negative props. Leaving his props on +1 is the only way to hurt this guy.
  • + 5
 Questrails... where was this article even about 29ers? Im glad you like your bike and you're happy with it, I like my bike and I'm happy with it, my friends like their bikes and are happy with them... Where in there does wheel size even matter? If you're that upset about people preferring another wheelsize over your chosen size, you REALLY need to go ride your bike and calm down.

KCRO - keep calm & ride on
  • + 1
 Ya I am riding with huge group of 26ers right now. This article is about making money. Jf you force people to change setup thats easy. Convincine life long bmx racers who can gap over you house on 20" is going to be alot harder and good luck with that corpo
  • + 3
 What language is this that you speak?
  • + 3
 Shutup questrails you're becoming the new Protour.
  • + 1
 I saw some haaaahhaha i hahahaaaah I saw some 29errrrz this weekend on the mtn haaaaaha. Not looking looking to sweet. Maybe riding thru hollywood hills but not at the gnarly big mountain haaahaaahaa.
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  • + 21
 I am looking forward to watching a proven carbon downhill rim design with 36 spokes. I'd definitely spend money on that. The history of cycling hides some bombproof wooden rims. I think the fiber morphology of carbon products could be the modern answer to the same reliability, but there is a need to a complete compatibility to 36 spoke standard, more than a high score in the weight competition.
  • + 2
 36 spokes aren't needed with carbon rims. The extra strength and stiffness allows a 24-28h carbon rim to have the same feel and durability as 32/36 spokes on a flexier aluminum rim. I have 32 and 28 hole carbon rims, and the 32 hole rims have no advantage that I can see or feel after 5 years of use and maintenance. None have required truing EVER.
  • + 4
 Yes but I'd really like to use my saint 36 spoke hubs which roll so easily, and centre lock rotors that I already have. There are lots of other perfect hubs alreary like HOPE for example, All existing in 36 spoke technology. Moreover there is never too much strength in wheels in downhill, or freeride. Still I don't believe that a wheel composed of carbon rim, 36 pokes, and saint hub, is heavier than the same set with aluminium rim. These are three reasons: compatibility with proven parts (hubs, rotors), never too much strength in downhill components, and even with 36 spokes, it would still be lighter than aluminium rims.

The three main facts make my earlier point in this discussion highlighted.
  • + 2
 Jeras, speaking of wooden rims, my father raced track on cane rims. How cool is that?
  • + 1
 I meant jedras. Stupid phone.
  • + 1
 There are few of those in the bike service shop that I visit sometimes, and waiting for my que I touch & smell them, to admire how strong they are. Wooden rims, about 20mm wide, and about 15mm high, about 26inch in diameter, and of course really without any emptyness inside them. Just solid wood treated with heat and with steam I suppose, in creation lasting a few months I guess, for usage lasting decades I guess. Really I am a big guy, 190cm high and above 100kg in wieght, and I can sit heavy on a rim like this, without any spokes, nor hubs anything and they don't even bend a bit. Without spokes!

iamamodel, so this is extremely cool. A bent wooden piece, slashed in cut on its ends, and combined together with two nails, to have in front, rear and roll towards the end of a race track in victory. I still don't comprehend how on Earth these don't return to their straight shape, nor they go out of true due to the humidity changes. If only You could find some old photos.

Don't bother about a stupid phone iamamodel, the jedras stands in front of a name Andrew, and its Polish version "Andrzej" and similar, historic "Jędrzej". My real name is Jędrzej, and Jedras is its hard version. Throughout my primary school years and further on through high school, they didn't create any better nick, than calling me a big guy or hard name. So that's the legacy. I like You writing form the other "end" of the Planet.
  • + 0
 Tioga proved that with 36 spoke wheels comes more pinch flats, 32 is the maximum needed for weight/stiffness.
  • + 2
 Where did you read that bull****? "Proof" is not created by marketing departments.
  • + 1
 Tioga makes tires, not wheelsets. The research they did was for tire development, no marketing department needed.
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  • + 19
 mmmmm my wallet hurts already
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  • + 19
 I am throwing my money at Norbs but he looks like a Trek Session.
  • + 2
 you're a good guy paying norbs back the money he lost being robbed
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  • + 16
 oh man, this is gonna be so expensive!!
  • + 30
 Everything is already so expensive!
  • + 1
 I've always felt that the EXC 1550s were the perfect wheelset except for the price. Wide, strong, stiff and light. Who is going to be the 1st company to make an affordable carbon wheelset?
  • + 1
 I was thinking more like novatec or superstar.
  • + 2
 hahaha enve and affordable don't go in the same sentence usually unless theres a "isn't" or "not" in there, Mavic won't be cost effective but should be the most reliable, my vote is novatec same as panaphonics for affordable
  • + 3
 www.light-bicycle.com/carbon-mountain-bike/carbon-mountain-bike-rim

Cheap carbon rims already exist, but Pinkbike of course doesn't cover it since big name companies pay them not to.

$150 for a carbon rim, and I see positive reviews from owners (haven't actually used one myself).
  • + 1
 While it would be nice to see more reviews of these cheap carbon rims, the problem is that there are just so many of them and I doubt the production would be consistent, so there would be no guarantee that the rims they review would be the sam eas the rims that we buy.
  • + 1
 I don't like carbon because you just don't know with these rather unknown cheap asian brands, the wheels might be safe they might not be, you just don't know. I want to see reviews as well because name brand isn't anywhere near affordable.
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  • + 1
 Won't catch me buying another set of dt swiss carbon wheels. Had a tube explode in my front wheel and cracked the rim in two places. They are exc1550 wheels and they won't cover them under warranty. Only ever got ridden on light trails. Light bicycle rims for me.
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  • + 5
 im about as excited as the chick in the 2nd pic about big wheels
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  • + 1
 open your eyes my friends.
The carbon rim you see there is in the making already and is quite sturdy, but light. Sounds good?
It is used in an XC wheel set for 2014 but it is also a perfect match for Enduro racing. The Tallboy is the bike of DTs race support mechanic.
The Lapierre the bike of one of the product managers. The Spline one will not come in 20mm option for a while. Until the big bike companies are willing to order them.

Have you really thought it is about making wheels for you (after market)... None of the companies could make a living out of the small numbers that are sold in the after market. But it is good to see that you folks like what you see. So get out and force the brands to order what you want.

Scott Swiss Power uses the new carbon rim when they are not using their XRC 950 T wheels... Just have a look at their bikes and you will find the newest stuff.

Happy trails and do not bend your wheels unless you are a pro Wink
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  • + 0
 All the company's are doing is putting there big name riders on 650b/29 inch wheels so all the puppy dog followers say hey . There winning on 29s I should get one at the end of the day if you have been round bikes your whole life like I have there is only 1 wheel ,,,,,, 26 inch .
Now go out and have fun and ride and be safe
  • + 1
 Agreed that there is far too much sheep like following. I think it's the point questrails was making too, this time I agree even if it is true he seems to be too negative. I don't for a moment dispute 29ers have very good aspects and they do look like nice wheels but wow mountainbiking is getting too much like the pied piper luring the kids in with his tune.. I'll be keeping my eye on the for sale section and rubbing my calloused hands while the unwanted 26er goods get advertised...
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  • + 1
 It's obvious carbon rims are coming here to stay, which is all well and good. As long as we still have choice of top end 'mortal men' wheels made of metal and all...
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  • + 2
 Don't the new Hyper's come with those?
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  • + 2
 Light weight light weight!
  • + 3
 Yea buddy!
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  • + 2
 DT Swiss Cheese..gross!
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  • + 1
 COMPETITION PRICE WARS HERE WE COME!!!
  • + 1
 Too bad its non-existant in the bike world.
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  • + 1
 As I remember, I believe HED had Dh carbon rims back in the day.
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  • + 1
 saint with formula rotors?
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