Video: FOX Air 40

 Hire an intern, give him a shovel and a bucket of sand..

 Millions of hours?! You've only been alive for about 370,000.

 Good point singletrackslayer. Even with textbook servicing my Fox forks have always had 'stanchion rub' within a year. I would also suggest your machine torsions the 'hub' in multiple directions while spraying dirt and mud.

 I want someone to invent a treadmill that changes camber and pitch. Then you program your favorite trails into it and rig it to your computer so you can practice all winter long.

 More for roadies... but you can ride your favorite trail or course!
www.wahoofitness.com/KICKRPowerTrainer/?returnFull=1

 ^ m.youtube.com/watch?v=4Y5rH7cN7s4

 You hear that Fox? The armchair engineers here at Pinkbike have a new assignment for you. You need more testing, specifically, "a dust-blowing/rock-throwing contraption in front of the fork."

 @ singletrackslayer. Very good point, but probably the reason why such thing does not exist yet, is because test environment hast to be controllable. It is a very difficult to set up such system on which the tests are repeatable in the very same way. Still a good idea, and they could also add wet as well. However, on the end of the day it may just turn out that having this equipment would cost more than the real life tests conducted by their sponsored riders.

 Words of wisdom instead of marketing bullshit!

 I think they have other means of testing seals separately, but I don't know shit.

 I also suggest to run test in low temperatures where all materials are shrunk and seals' wear is greater.
So:
a dust-blowing/rock-throwing contraption in front of the fork in freezing cold conditions

 No reason they would have to do that at the same time as dyno test. But im sure fox knows that. They in fact check PB comments every day for tips on how to improve their suspension.

 "They in fact check PB comments every day for tips on how to improve their suspension."

That's admirable.

 with such a test you would never be able to improve anything

 Ok just take my money... Again... I swear I'm going to buy it...
Right now I'm like "no way... My 40 is very good, still nearly brand new, didn't have time to ride a lot lately... I'll keep it"
But in like a year maximum, I'll want that fork and I'll buy it...

Victim of the consumption (? is that the word?) society!

 I think consumerism is the on you're looking for.

 nah hes right, i eat fox shocks for breakfast.......

 If you're serious try and do like a part exchange or something.

 Lol marzocchi looses the 'M' arch in the 380 and then fox steals it with this new 40 hahaha

 Ive heard you will be able to send your existing Coil Sprung 40 into Fox and they can convert it to the new air system for you.
Granted it may not be exactly 1 lb. lighter, im sure there will be some weight loss.

I will definitely be sending my set in. Why send it in for a service when you could send it for a complete overhaul?

 I wonder what that would cost, sounds pretty legit to me!

 Anyone know what's the earliest model year of 40's that would be able to be converted to air

Or if it will be all of them ??, would be great cus I can get like an rc2 for cheap and then convert them to air, being a light rider it'll be awesome as I find springs too hard to get the right feeling

 Same for me, im running a black and should be on purple but also have a blue at home. I'd love to have more in between rates so i can change it on the fly to accommodate for changes in riding style. But I'm still a big ti coil fan for the rear because of the moto look

 This vid had everything- unneccessary slomo's, interviews with people I cant hear or understand and preview of a fork I will never own and has been running for two years thru secret back tent meetings. Air is definately the way of the future, have to be blind not to see that. Fox air gets a foul wind blowin and who knows where the secrect fork testing ends? Utah???? Europe??? Bedstuy do or die??? I guess we find out next year what they up to this year.

 I'm surprised fox isn't pushing nitrogen tanks to ensure less o2 saturation of fluids. maybe that's a non issue with the bladder systems, but I would have expected to see it a while ago.

 Because you cant blow the same dust exactly the same way 200 times. Thats the point of the dyno.

 I saw that same machine used to pump the fork in this german porn video. Das Robodills

 But in real world conditions you'd never get the 'same' dust on your fork maybe this is why fox's leak and eat their own stanchions Had my 36's for 4months and got major stanchion wear and both seals have exploded and constantly pisses its oil out, and I'm not gonna lie it was on my commuting bike that i take on light downhill every few weeks. Sort it out fox

 Probably because it is not enough...

 hopefully just notes aye

 Perhaps

 Then most likely your bike is a piece of shit

 actually, that one was. but i was kidding... and this fork is gonna be like $2k and there are a lot of nice bikes under 2k.

 www.pinkbike.com/buysell/1346257

 @cyrix: uh, yeah... MTB is the most expensive sport in the world. Aside from maybe auto racing and road cycling. Its definitely way more expensive than ANY ball sport.

 Hockey isn't a ball sport. It's a puck sport I believe.

 You're a puck.

 Well honestly I was swiftly spending upwards of around 2.5K a year when I played goalie. Mountain biking has cost me far less than that a year. I wasn't trying to say hockey in general is more expensive than mountain biking, just that for my particular position I paid a boat load of cash that I had to work my teenage butt off for. If I played right wing or something I would have paid WAAAAAAY less. Sometimes I wish I did play some other position or sport during that time. Young me would have been just a little bit wealthy, and I could have gotten into mtb instead of waiting till I was 20.

 go puck yourself.

 Puck you. Pucking Mother Pucker.

 no silly. theres a huge difference. you can pick up a wc for like $400 right now. multiply that by 4-5x and you have the fox.

  I don't know of any $300 fork that is worth riding over a decent rigid.

You buy a low end fork and you get a low end product, what the hell do you expect?

 ^ Exactly. You're making a generalization about a company after only trying their bottom of the barrel products? Cheaper stuff is made with plastic that breaks and not much adjustment. You move up in price and your going to get more durable, reliable, and functional products and get your moneys worth.

 Dunno, my SX came with a Domain RC, it really sucks you know. It is the only RS I have ever ridden, but I really disliked it. After getting a marzo 66 the bike felt much better!

 @olaffons, keep your crazy ass opinions to yourself maybe

 Get a totem they're much nicer and more affordable

 @olaffons, you must ride a RS Dart. Silly rabbit, crap forks are always found on low end models. ( ie. Spec Rockhopper.)

 no jumping, no downhill, no enduro, no racing, no service :-D

 no fun.

 Haha... U should see what hell my Darts went through... (They are now very broken tho... might have sth to do with it...)

 I'm talking about Rock Shox Tora to be specific and if all U Philosophs and FMB Pros could read carefuly, you might have a chance to find out that I didn't use them personally. One Tora was used by my mother and second one was i my GFs bike.
I'd never buy a fork for a 300$ to my DH or DJ rig, but if somebody uses his bike few times a week for a few hours ride in forest which is generally on a flat terrain he surely doesn't need the 10k XC bike or 10k enduro machine. and that's my point, if U guys purchase for yourself a road bike for 10 grands just to get to school 5 miles away, that's good for U, but we all know that U don't need bike THAT expensive.
tLAMA- one Tora was purchased in my friend's bike shop, second one was stock fork on my GFs bike. I love when people take the voice and have got nothing constructive and interesting to say. Both forks were serviced regularly- they were cleaned properly, serviced by the authorized RS dealer and even sent to the Polish RS distributor who said there was nothing wrong with them. And magicaly, a week after recieving them back, all problems were coming back.
I've sent them more than 5 times to the RS distributor and they were more than 10 times in the service, were the guys tried everything to make them work properly and nothing really changed the situation for more than a week.
I remember having an old Marzocchi MX Air on my old XC rig and having no problem with the fork performance, loosing air pressuer, oil leeks etc. And that was a fork for a very similiar amount of money...

 ive never been called a Philosoph, so i'm not sure how i'm supposed to react.

 Compliment?

 and that's why people will buy them...just another way to for people to feed their own egos

 it also says im fast, way faster than you, cuz inevitable, you will be lol

 It says " I'm fast, faster then you. My bike is clean and my kit is brand new, I'm fast"

 RAD just means racing applications development

 Guess we're not in the top 3%. Oh wait, that's the other one...

 It wasnt a joke iirc...

 RS soon realized how stupid the 3% thing was and made it fully availbile... so within a week or so... the 3% didn't matter...

 holy shit, people still dont get it? that whole this was a marketing ploy, rock shox obviously wasn't serious. god damn

 nobody cares that anyone can actually buy the rockshox shocks, its called banter... you should try it some time!!!

besides anyone in their right mind would buy their dh rear shock from fox/bos/cane creek anyways rock shite are naff

 I run a Roco air on my flatline and love it. Not to interested in paying $600+ for a CCDB.

 Tuneable ??

 grow the extra muscle to pedal the "extra" pound

 just take a fat dump before you ride

 tunability and lower unsprung weight?

no doubt that its easier to tune air vs coil, compared with swapping springs who's weight increments is every 50 lbs. with air, you can set it to the right psi.

i didn't know the advantage of having a lower unsprung weight means until i tried a friend's bike with an inverted fork: a manitou dorado. it tracked pretty well due to its low unsprung weight. in fox's case, since they dont want to go for an inverted design, they could at least shave weight off the lowers to make the suspension "more active" as what a lower unsprung weight does.

 want to know the difference in unsprung weight, stick a heavy wheelset in your forks and then put a light one in there... the way the suspension follows the ground with heavier wheels is otherworldly by comparison

coil vs air makes no difference to unsprung weight as the weight of the coil isn't entirely moving up and down with the suspension action, the biggest thing is tunability, the idea of a ti spring is nice to save weight but if you're the wrong weight for the spring a new one will likely cost 200-300 for a new spring, even a decent shock pump will set you back less than 50!! an expensive fork is kinda pointless unless its set up to your weight/liking

fox is looking to keep pricing similar to the current 40 , i know that's expensive but at least they aren't just using any reason to bump the price up!!

 Actually the unsprung weight of the float is the same or even worse . In the coil 40 there wasn't anything inside the lowers but the shafts , now in the one leg instead of just the shaft there is the negative spring part , which has 2 springs and seals which add weight and friction to the suspension movement . If you want better traction and lower unsprung weight just replace the old lowers with the new ones .

 That would be awesome if you could do that , but can you? Are the lowers different now?

 Yeah how much does that stuff cost again?

 $1700

 nevermind that isnt what i meant but damn thats a lot of money

 he was looking for a hard days (weeks? months?) worth of work

 well, if your an engineer, thats about 2 weeks lol

 I wanted to be an engineer..... Until I failed Algebra 1 Freshman year

 lol they dont teach algebra any more in university, they expect ya to know it now.. lol only calc 1 2 3 4 and vector calculus.. its worse in my opinion... dont call us engineers, call us people who are good with calculus

 yes, they actually have something on them that makes them not slide.. you need to take them off, clean the stanchions and insides of the bumpers, and then wet it with plain water.. slide them on, and let them dry.. you wont be able to move them if you want to, trust me

 Its called odi lock on bumpers!

 its called taking care of your baby

 It's the dust that does it. They are always a bastard to get onto the fork when servicing it, but after a few days in the dust they just flap about. Seem some cable tie modifications, but I just don't want to cut through them.

 i wish...

 i dream

 one day!

 ^ but not really

 i have

 U lie

 how much?

 too much

 Oh boy

 two ribs and one knee... but I have ~

 Its order

 Is on backorder

 Hell ya!

 True but his commentary has substance.

 Hmmm, Gwin and all the others said the same positive thing. Funny, that,sponsored rider and all. I wonder if any will be running sneaky coils in them.

 i wouldn't be surprised. Fox has said they're going to make retro kits for the coil.

 Next Rock Shox will ditch the Air game for coil and all the riders will switch back

 Nitrogen will be next.

 nobody from rockshox rides the boxxer wc though!!! the blackbox forks have coils inside them except for certain races.... think petermaritzburg!!!

 A bin of gold-like bullcrap again. I'm sure their racers are as happy with no-coil option as Fabien is for getting a 34 with CTD and 15mm axle, instead of 160 36 with RC2.

I just wonder what is next, cuz as far as my imagination goes, there is nowhere to go with a "standard" DH fork. Electronicaly controlled valves, or prepare for ultimate bullshit in praise of must grow! What if we don't grow?! - 3% might kill us!

 Why even F1 cars use coil springs? Because no one has time there to waste for making stupid shit to keep sales going.

 also because most F1 cars have to add ballast to get up to the minimum weight, so why change to an inferier spring medium to save it?

 Yes balance in the rear, right... F1 cars definitely "need" balast in the rear - engine's not heavy enough - fk... no they make everything as light as possible and then amke the best use of balast they can achieve, that is, one of the means to balance the car to create certain amount of over or understeer to suit the circuit. There is no: mah we put a coil shock there because we need to add 0,5kg somewhere anyways - suspension performance is so important to them that they don't invest in bullshit, F1 car has suspension of 1/4 of the the travel of a DH bike, yet the shock has nearly double the stroke. Just as MX or Baja or WRC or whatever - when the game is serious enough, when huge money are at the stake, nobody has time for anything else than striving for actual performance

Bike companies are always giving an impression that they are after same level of perfection in race bikes. No they aren't, rider's skill and fitness is a dominant factor, and that gives them room to create lots of not always good options, one at the time, to keep selling them. Above certain level (dunno Domain vs Boxxer, Deore vs Saint) the role of tech stuff is so marginal that Aaron or Greg can win both on air and on coil shock, on RLC and on RC2 damper, so if they want to push air spring, they will give it to them, and people will talk bullshit like: did Syndicate changed to Fox and Shimano because they knew about the clutch and air-sprung Fox? Back in 2009 the Fox 40 RC2 was light years ahead of Boxxer with 32mm stanchions and a shit that Motion Control damper is, especially when paired with an air spring. Still, RS riders were beating arses of Foxes big time.

Someone has to scream bullshit, so they try this tiny bit harder next time.

 so you call fox tomorrow and ask them and i bet you they will tell you the same thing here is the # 1800-369-7469

 Guess you told him bah haha

 lol i guess i did, but it was info i got straight from their tech department and it would make sense for them to do that because they have kashima and Inverted FIT RC2 cartridge upgrades for even the 2010 models, so y wont they do it for 2011-2013 forks?

 That's one brilliant thing I respect about Fox and their 40s. They're all interchangeable. Well done Fox.

 I'm surprised nobody commented on the retrofit earlier, that's the one thing that has me looking at fox for my next shock, buy an older one and upgrade it,

 i dont think alot of people know about this option.

 yes you can............. but you won't

 Been said^^^

 And rocks kicking up from the trail, and dirt getting in the seals.

 planning on making costing very similar from what i've gathered

 Yea and for further smoothness slide them along the crotch of miss... Ok I'm not going there...

 Who makes the black, unmarked bikes through the 4 minute part of the video?

 The artist is Blackmill, I can't think of the song name though, just browse through his songs until you find it, you'll hear some pretty sick songs.

 i think it is the song Miracle. REALLY DISSAPOINTED that the maker of the video did not credit the artist (Blackmill), as he is a pretty humble guy who only asks to give credit where due and makes amazing chillstep music!

 Blackmill - Relentless

 Yeah Fox really screwed over blackmill, he's not a well known artist and when his song gets put into a pretty popular company's video he gets no credit.

 gt prototypes theyre working on... where have you been for the last month or two??

 probably out riding his bike!

 Dirt magazine did a bike review and were testing the new air forks damping it good forks smooth but need constant maintaing

 lol. no one won any championships due to just the kasima coating..

kash is the last thing on your list you should consider when buying a fork. whats inside really matters.

yes we know its pretty and it works, but its not like some holy grail (that everyone seems to think it is.).

 Kashima is a fancy name for "expensive"

 ^ yeah, those milliseconds can be had by simply not having that extra slice of pizza or doing that extra sprint on a sunday night, which is free i might add (not having pizza, and sprinting, that is). the fork will cost you almost $2k.

 Sladevallydh, nope. It's fox's new seals that do the real friction reducing.

 it does, but it's a pretty insignificant compared to the seals which were introduced at the same time. It's more for marketing and looks than real performance. I doubt you could tell the difference between kash and non-kash in a blind test.

 When I bought my '12 RM Slayer 50 the Fox Float 36 stanchions were mismatched in color (it seems to be a common thing for '12's) and no matter how I set it the ride was squishy. I sent the fork to Fox and they put Kashima stanchions on and the difference is night and day- creamy smooth, stiff, quiet, f-ng perfect. I'm gonna upgrade my rp23 to Kashima once i save the money. It works.

 are dvo using kashima too???? the emerald is advertised as using molybdinum disulphide stanction tubes.....if i'm right this means that you will kind of be able to buy the upside down fox fork that gee was seen testing a while back......well most people who buy fox get it because of the way it looks as opposed to how it actually works so its upside down and its got gold bits!!

 It's just fucking gold anodizing .. bling fucking bling. ' OOh look at me I have gold on my bike I must be a champion '

 @ nobble- hit the head on the nail.. everyone here is on the kash bandwagon while theyre not looking at other things that are more important to reduce friction.

if kash is sooooooo revolutionary like some of you claim, why dont all the other big name suspension companies start to pioneer and find their own 'kashima', rather than just use hard ano?

im not doggin on kasima, im doggin on you people who think you can feel a substantial difference with kashima... its more than likely your mind tricking you to think that.

 i thumbs up'd bigburds comment cuz its hilarious, but mostly true. I will make one correction though - you forgot to put the word "fu****g" in front of champion. and i am taking delivery of a used kahima fork this friday. you can still have kashima for non-kashima prices.

 lol true cuban-b , another fking before champion would of finished it off nicely , i'll try harder next time

 either 'fking' or 'godam' champion would have been appropriate

 haha lol people that think that kashima is only a colour!! it is as follows

1 harder than standard ano so it is more resiliant to scratches

2 smoother for longer seal and bushing life and improved small bump compliance (marginally)

admitadly the skf seals make a bigger dfference to sensitivity but the difference is there, i know fox's marketing department has gone nuts on it and probably too far with it at that but it isnt just a fancy colour

 Hard ano is hard ano , its been around for decades , peaked decades ago to , just not in gold in mtb with 400,000 sqaure foot of bullshit and hype

 Not quite, kashima is a molybdenum disulfide ano. It's not quite the same as regular hard ano.

 ^ you guys must be real fun at parties

 This is the internet... Srs bzns brah.

 "hey bro its not the same as anodizing bro. cmon bro you dont know what kashima is bro?"

who gives a isht what it is. it dont make you faster. training and riding a lot does, and 'roids too. i do admit kashima is pretty though. thats about it. and ok it makes things more slippery. so does chain lube - doesnt mean i can push the same watts as the top pros.

also fox's marketing dept is pushing it so hard because we as customers have hyped it up so much - its our own f'ing faults. take this thread for example. we bought it hook line and sinker.

 actually my favorite part of this thread is jumpman's excellent use of "doggin'"

 te-he ^__^


'white people talk'

 not trying to pretend it makes a massive difference, ive got a set of 36 kashima 180's... i know it doesnt suck the wheel to the ground better than a dyson or smoothen it up like a tub af butter but there is a difference between it and standard ano.. just the same as rockshox's dlc or their new black coating or marzocchi's nickel coating/ gold race coating its all the same bollocks but when it comes down to it you can feel the difference not so much if you bounce on it in a car park or do a single run but smashing out laps in a bikepark all day the more sensitive fork is the one that tires your arms out less and anything you can do to help that out when you're riding rough tracks flat out all day is worth taking a look at

 ^ no i agree. its just fun to chide.

 so just buy bos idylle rare air.

 right click the video and select "watch in vimeo."

 he's just not charismatic by nature. soft spoken. quiet. but not shy. i think we've gotten accustomed to the likes of Cedric, Warner, etc

 GET it - for the record i thumbs up'd your comment.

 How often does a plastic piston fail? CNCed metal would improve the product how?

Think of this: We are only a few years away from being able to easily and cheaply 3D print exactly that type of part if you need to replace it. Air pistons, travel reducers, cable guides, little stuff that it is insane to have injection-molded in a far-off country, shipped, sent through 2+ middlemen's hands, etc. I'll take all the plastic I can get if there's no performance penalty. We already have the printers and a range of plastics. All that's left is the libraries of part designs that will spread through the culture like other intellectual property that is useful to the sharer and too much of a pain for the owner (e.g. Fox) to protect.

 but plastic parts mostly are cheaper than those cnced ones but as you see talking about the price of fox 40 float fork, it doesn't matter.. according to fox suspension company