First Look: Giant's 27.5" Prototypes

Apr 12, 2013 at 2:05
Apr 12, 2013
by Mike Kazimer  
 
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Confirming the rumors that had been circulating over the past few months, Giant has stepped forward to become the largest bicycle manufacturer to enter the world of the in-between wheel size. At a recent event held outside of Giant's US headquarters in Newbury Park, California, two different prototype models were on display in both carbon and aluminum versions. While they are still technically in the prototype stage, the bikes looked refined enough that there is little doubt these will become full production models in the near future. We were given full reign to examine the bikes, but Giant would not answer any specific questions or confirm any concrete details.

This prototype was decked out with a SRAM XX1 drivetrain, RockShox Reverb stealth dropper post, and a modified pair of Schwalbe's Hans Dampf tires.


Prototype Details

• Carbon front triangle / aluminum rear and full aluminum frame options
• ISCG tabs
• Press-fit BB
• Maestro suspension design
• Routing for stealth dropper post



• Two different frame designs, likely between 110-120mm and 140-150mm of travel.
• 12x142 rear thru axle
• Internal cable routing
• Weight: NA
• Availability: NA



A tapered headtube and internal routing gives the front end a sleek, clean look. It wasn't possible to tell whether the headtube uses Giant's OverDrive 2 headset standard, or the more common 1 1/8" to 1.5" tapered style. The bike had a press-fit bottom bracket, likely utilizing the BB92 standard. Giant's Maestro suspension design is found on nearly all of their full suspension offerings, and the prototype models were no exception. The Maestro design is a twin link, four bar design intended to allow for active suspension movement even during heavy braking, while at the same time being resistant to pedal induced bobbing.


The longer travel model had a 140mm RockShox Revelation fork with a 15mm thru-axle. Take a look at the cut knobs on the Schwalbe Hans Dampf - it supposedly makes for a faster rolling tire while still maintaining good traction and cornering stability. The rear end on all models was aluminum, and featured a 12x142 thru-axle along with a post mount rear brake.


Giant Factory Off-Road rider Josh Carlson was looking comfortable aboard his prototype. Team riders will be be racing the bikes at numerous enduro and Super-D events this season. Kelli Emmett was also riding a prototype 27.5" bike - it wouldn't be surprising to see Giant offer a women's specific model as part of their Liv/giant collection.


Pinkbike's Take:
bigquotesWhile the designs of the prototype bikes themselves may not be groundbreaking, as they look quite similar to Giant's current Trance and Anthem models, the fact that a company as large as Giant has entered into the 27.5" market is worthy of attention. As the largest bicycle manufacturer in the world, the actions of Giant are used by many as a kind of barometer to predict shifts in the global bicycle market. It will be interesting to see if large manufacturers like Trek and Specialized decide to respond with 27.5" offerings of their own, and to see how extensive Giant's adoption of the 27.5" wheel size turns out to be. - Mike Kazimer


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222 Comments

  • + 79
 Sweet.... I like it. In typical Giant fashion, I'm assuming it will be more affordable than all other 650b models in similar trim.
  • - 25
 Where and why does this crap about Giant value come from and persist?
Just a few minutes looking at pricing and that is easily dismissed

Giant Trance X XT build $4250 32mm Fork
Trek Remedy XT build $4409 32mm Fork
SC TBLT XT build $4450 34mm Fork

Giant Anthem XT/SLX build $2875
Trek Rumble Fish XT/SLX build $3049
SC TB XT/SLX build $3049

Sorry I disagree on the Giant value statement but see it everywhere. If at the point you're spending 3k or 4k and $200 is enough to sway your decision, I'd argue you're spend more than you should on your bike.
  • + 69
 TwoTone, the fact that 200 dollars can buy tools, helmets, pads and other accessories means a shopper who has a set budget and isn't flinging their money everywhere is going to be happy when he/she can get a bike and an armful of gear, without having to step down in terms of groupset/suspension/cockpit.

Maybe I'm not comfortable with using my XC lid on an A/M bike, and want to buy a new helmet. Or maybe some shoes. Or pedals. Not everyone has a sky-is-the-limit spending capability. Some of us have budgets.
  • + 5
 well giant is a very good build great design and they are avadible almost anywhere apart from having a great customer service thats what i would say, ( but the glory '12 did not have a very good build in terms pricewise, you could get the same thing from another company for about 3000-3500$)
  • + 0
 I hear what I.O.T.T. is saying. I'm sure at that price point you could even talk those two bikes down the remaining 200 bucks if the shop knew you'd go elsewhere. Not hating on Giant though...
  • + 3
 I wasn't hating on Giant, I just hate seeing them repped as such a great value, when they just aren't.

Let me put it this way. Lets say you love the ride you're on now. I come to you with a bike that you know you don't like ( VPP, FSR, DW link, etc..) and say I'm trading out your bike for this one with the same build spec and giving you $200.,
Are you going sit here and tell me you'd consider that a great deal? I doubt it and that is my point.

On a 3k or more bike saving $200 isn't shit. If that sways a buyer, I'm sorry they are being stupid and you know it.

When I switched to 29er since I now ride mostly XC, I always had Specialized before my Felt Compulsion, so I bought a Stumpjumper FSR. 6 months later my shop had a SC TBLT demo bike. I had always read about SC and VPP so I took it for a demo ride. Ordered one when I got back and put the SJ on CL.

So are you telling my that if that SJ was $200 cheaper, that it is such a great value that I should pick it over the TB?

That's what irks me every time I read Giant is a great value, it just isn't. Not saying their bike are bad, they just aren't this huge value everyone makes them out to be.
  • + 55
 TheOriginalTwoTone: You are bad at arguing.
  • + 15
 I get what you mean. You just sound pretty angry aboot it.
  • + 1
 I'm with Two Tone on this one. If you choose a 32mm Revelation build over a 34 Fox build to save $200, you are an idiot.
  • - 1
 sngltrkmnd what's wrong with my argument?

What's more important $200 or liking the way your bike rides?
  • + 16
 I think I have to agree with TwoTone here. It is more important to spend a couple hundred more (if you can justify it) on a bike that rides better. That's why I've been riding Santa Cruz's for 10 years.
  • - 38
 @theoriginal...

you are quite right. It is vastly overpriced taiwanese sweatshop product and not really decent quality. People here are not after intrinsic quality they are just shopping for color and brandstickers all the while the product does not improve. XC is Enduro is AM is Sramano. Giant`s maestro sucks - its plain wrong - sad testimony to unchanged corporate idocy.

So, yes you are on the right track - you dislike the fact that year in year out they peddle the same crap. I think its time for you to get a handmade frame and add the quality bits you like yourself.

I do this and now have a stellar US-handmade-frame with top-parts made in the west by wagemakers instead of slaves (Apart from rims and hubs and derrailleur),
It is slightly more expensive but inherently more satisfactory than shoving money into a giant corps ass. (Love the pun)
  • + 6
 Friedrice, If your really on a budget and $200 is a lot of $$ then buy a used bike. I personally would rather buy a 3K used bike from a brand I really want to ride, ( that cost 4-5k new) than a 3K Giant because that's all I could afford.
  • + 11
 @TheOriginalTwoTone: Your original post is to refute the 'value' of Giant goods after @Warnerja27's comment, then you go on to cite two examples where the Giant product is less expensive than the competitor. *You* picked those bikes, *you* found those prices. You look like a lunatic.
  • + 30
 Why does Giant Maestro suck? So sick of bike brands being dissed and people not qualifying their opinions.
  • + 19
 $2000 for a glory frame with r2c shock.
Giant is awesome'
  • - 15
 sngltrkmnd - So any brand that is cheaper than another is automatically a better value?

Wal-Mart must love you. Again, just being cheaper != better value

Are you driving a Yugo? After all comparing prices that is the best value in the automotive world right there.
  • + 32
 @wakaba

You obviously do not know anything about the bike industry or manufacturing. You seem to ba an angry troll or big brand hater.

I am an industry lifer and have been involved for 21yrs from retail to distribution to company employee. I have worked with Orbea, Giant, Scott, Shimano, Bianchi, and at retailers.

I can tell you Giant is not a sweat shop. They actually started as a small frame builder in the 70's. It is still a family business and King and Tony and others are avid riders!
The factory workers in Taiwan all work 8hrs a day and 40hrs a week in a clean safe environment.

As far as American and handmade....? Who is all American made? Do you know who makes Trek? Do you know who makes Yeti's tubes and or frames? Please enlighten me. Do you ride a Lynskey or a Moots, then you got me.

Giant is the only big or medium full bike line that can claim they HANDBUILD all of their own product and tubing!!

@Kudos

Giant frames are NOT OD2 or OverDrive 2!! It is the fork steerer and headset that are oversized. That would be Fox and RockShox.

The Giant tapered headtube is the same as Kona, Trek, Specialized and dozens of others. Giant only specs Fox and RockShox's oversized option.
I use a OD2 fork on my Kona and it is stiffer and lighter!

Hope this helps clear up misconceptions in the industry.

Jim
  • + 6
 re: wakamoron... he's a troll, I'm surprised he didn't try and tell us/RC how the maestro twin-link 4 bar is actually a single pivot design...

re: Overdrive and overdrive 2...

www.giant-bicycles.com/technology/overdrive/50

Giant invented both the original 1.5 to 1.125" tapered steerer/headtube design and called in Overdrive and released it on the Glory in 2006. They've recently invented what they're calling Overdrive 2 which is a 1.5 to 1.25" tapered steerer (and matching headtube). So yes, it IS the fork and headset that are oversized, and yes Fox and Rockshox support them but neither developed them first. Giant had an idea, they paid for Fox and Rockshox to make them suspension forks for that idea.
  • + 8
 Maybe, on the otherside of the pond, you logic doesn't translate, but explain how your saying that a manufacturer, that based on your own examples is $200 less on average than a competitor, is not good 'value'?? To me that is surely much better value and your argument makes no sense? Yet you show an example, then keep referring to being $200 cheaper and still keep saying it ain't good value!?
  • + 9
 f*ck sake, some people prefer one bike to another. if someone prefers the trek over the giant, then go for it. if you prefer the giant, or they are equal, go for it. £200 cheaper is quite a lot; could buy pretty much all the tools you need or a set of clothes for riding at least. plus, giant are not taiwanese crap as someone said; they are one of the few bigger companies that make their own bikes in house. heck, they even produce a lot of specialized stuff too.
  • - 5
 I'm starting to wonder how many of you have ridden more than one suspension type.

Man wish I had never said anything. I didn't realize $200 is more important to passionate bike riders over the actual ride.

You all simply look at a number, I'm going by what rides better for me. I wouldn't buy another FSR type bike again after having tried VPP even it's $500 cheaper, numbers are not the only thing that determines value, why is that a hard concept.

Like I said I can now see why WalMart is a success, people only look at numbers.
  • + 7
 I have...Let me see...I owned two Stumpjumpers, Iron Horse Azure, Pivot Mach 5.7, Trek Remedy and Fuel with ABPs suspensions, Niner RIP 9, SC Blur, Yeti 575, serveral Giants...Anthems, NRS, Trance, Trance X and Reign..Currently rocking a Yeti SB-95. I would say that the Maestro is equal to the VPP.

Your're saying the guy who purchase the Specialized bike is stupid for spending more then 500 over your bike...but you blast the guys saving 200 in a similar situation?
  • + 5
 "Man wish I had never said anything." so then STFU
  • - 15
 Wow reading comprehension is seriously lacking.

No Jhou I'm saying that if you don't like the way a bike rides lets just pick one- Specialized, how is that Specialize a good value to you at $200 cheaper than a bike you do like the way it rides.

Wow now I see why pinkbike has the rep it does.
  • + 3
 LOL...I went to a public school.
  • + 8
 @ the original two tone - a lot of people buy on price, it's nothing new. In Australia we have great value Giants. I picked up a brand new 2012 Giant Anthem X290 for $2600.00 in may 2012. Rides fantastically, full XT druvetrain, Elixir 9 brakes, Rock Shox SID RCT3 and Monarch Rt3. Seems like pretty good value to me.
  • + 9
 All of the bikes listed above are of similar quality. The Giant bikes were on average 200$ cheaper. This makes them good value when personal preference is factored out. If you don't like a bike it doesn't matter how much cheaper it is, you still wont buy it. This has no relevance on value.
  • - 7
 @deeight: Prove me wrong. Otherwise stf, moron.
@Jim Rawson: I toyed with a Lynskey. No - I ride a new Foes and a swiss handmade raceframe thats as vintage as I am. The rest of my familie rides french hand made frames and Intense. I build them up myself and I usually run 5-800$ below what a factory build would cost and with mostly western quality parts. I get quality and the satisfaction out of it that the money stays put in my vicinity rathern than feeding fat and ugly corps.

I dont like big companies that sell generic crap at elevated pricing. You and I know exactly how much it is ordering a batch of bikes in Taiwand or the PRC. Its ludicrously cheap. So I disagree that a mainland worker is paid a decent wage.
  • + 3
 i agree with twotone when it comes to choosing a bike. but i don't think friedrice or the others ever implied they would choose a bike they know they don't like as much as another just to save $200. more likely, if comparing apples to apples, i would have to agree saving $200 would be worth it.
  • - 7
 Actually talderson, personal preference has a lot to do with value, otherwise you'd just use the word cheaper.
The Giant bikes are cheaper, however if you prefer the ride of a FSR or VPP bike there is no value in that cost savings to you.

Simple concept that appears above a lot of people.
Here's a little help, notice the word relative.

val·ue
[val-yoo] Show IPA noun, verb, val·ued, val·u·ing.

noun
1. relative worth, merit, or importance:
  • - 1
 speaks the truth
  • + 3
 "Wow now I see why pinkbike has the rep it does." -- yeah, because of d0ucheb@gs like you.

Now that you've insulted people, they're not going to take your seriously, even if you happen to make sense, so just drop it and let people ride what they want to ride. i.e. SHUT THE F*** UP
  • - 2
 "Wow reading comprehension is seriously lacking." speak for yourself. a$$ hole.
  • + 2
 Also I didn't pay close to msrp for my new giant, your LBS definitely factors in....
  • + 6
 I've found this thread quite entertaining. Not as good as the one a few days ago about pivot points, but still good. People get so worked up over nothing! Just for the record... Here in nz giants are the best value by quite a margin. Trek are normally 2nd and specialized are quite pricey and on par with Santa Cruz.
  • + 3
 @wakaba, respectfully, your argunent that Giant bikes are crap is nonsense. You have not supported your statement with any fact or qualified opinion of your personal experience. Last I checked DH world championships were not one on crap, nor the Giro d'Italia. On another note, I bet there's not a thing in your home that's made in China, after all you don't like big companies that sell 'mass produced crap at elevated pricing'.
  • + 2
 Excuse me, I meant 'not won' can't see an edit button.
  • + 1
 I get what you mean two tone. Everyone hypes them up as being bargain bin cheap when they really aren't. It's a long standing myth that probably won't die for a long time. The price is also completely dependent on location or retailer as well. But eh, facts don't matter much here sadly.
  • - 1
 Cuban-b if only you saw the irony of your comments. Thanks, entertaining read.
  • + 9
 Your whole argument is assuming people prefer other brands/designs. I completely agree that if you prefer a Trek, then it doesn't make sense to "settle" for a Giant. However, maybe it's hard for you to understand that many people (myself included), actually LIKE Giant bikes. And if I can get it for $200 less... WIN WIN! That's what I call... A GOOD VALUE.
  • + 1
 your right.. giant is just generic compared to other companies... as for the examples the sc is the value bike because that extra 200 is getting you a better fork.
  • + 2
 just like you insulting people....
  • + 6
 @TheOriginalTwoTone,

Firstly, stop being a dickbag, you can argue a point without being an ass.

The term relative in that definition would refer to the bikes value relative to other bikes of comparable quality. Your definition has zero reference to personal brand loyalties or preference, which is the only valid point you have made. I agree that if a person dislikes the frame design of a giant bike, the cost savings are a mute point. But if you are approaching a bike purchase with no bias or preference towards a particular bike, Giant bikes in general(not always) provide similar performance for slightly less money. This is what 90% of the population would call good value. Another definition that is useful here is value for money:Value for money is based not only on the minimum purchase price but also on the maximum efficiency and effectiveness of the purchase. Using this definition giant bikes are great value for money. Given that they have a lower purchase price, and similar effectiveness as the bikes you have listed.
  • + 4
 why does the comment section of these articles always turn into a frickin' battleground -.- come on guys grow up a little
  • - 2
 good on ya OTT. tell it like it is... ya get what ya pay for, eh.
  • + 2
 Well this is interesting, I see two people presenting criticisms about Giant bikes and instead of having an eloquent discussion (from both parties, opposing and supporting - without resorting to ad-hominem remarks), the ones who are opposed to Giant get..neg repped?

It's not much but it's at least a glaring example of group think shunning out the nay-sayers.

I'm not a fan of Giant either and their conglomerate way; suspension is outdated, and let's not forget the recall they issued on the 29er Anthem a year ago, but notwithstanding, let's also not forget that the same factory, or sweatshop if you hold that view, is most likely the same one that built your Trek, Specialized, Merida, etc., etc.
  • + 1
 Maestro rules the mountain on any platform xc to dh. See alot of euro companies ripping off the maestro design. They can take those big goofball wheels and a shuvem, I aint workin here no more.
  • + 4
 Go ride your bikes already, who cares what you ride anyway. The whole sport is over marketed and over hyped. Almost every bike option out there is a quantum leap ahead of the bikes from a few years ago. Some companies had a head start with there linkages (i.e. FSR, VPP) but almost every other company has caught up now.

Most of these bikes are all the same and anyone who says otherwise is full of it. As for arguments that Giant is inferior to other bikes, I would use Danny Hart and Kurt Sorge as examples of riders who seem to be able to make their Giants work just fine.

And for all the boutique bike lovers out there, most of you must be new to the sport to think a company like Santa Cruz is better than Giant, they're exactly the same except for the price difference. Some want to defend higher prices for bikes they like that coincidentally have the most high profile and highest paid riders. Some people just have to have their name brands to buy there way in, "you got a V10, me too".

There used to be leaders in this sport who rode bikes, now most the riders are followers and the leaders are bankers.
  • + 1
 Surprised that Protour hasn't been involved in all this. Still entertaining though Smile
  • + 2
 Considering wakaba trolls like protour, I would not be surprised if they're one and the same.
  • + 0
 ^^^^ This!!
  • + 2
 Giant does not build Specialized, Merida does, however, build Specialized. In fact, Merida owns 49% of specialized. FYI.
  • + 3
 At one stage, Giant DID build Specialized's frames, but this was before Merida ended up buying 49% of them (which happened August 8th, 2001). Since Merida acquired its large stake, it has assumed the duties of building the frames for Specialized.

www.bike-eu.com/Home/General/2001/8/Correction-Merida-Buys-49-of-Specialized-BIK000680W

"Practically, the arrangement should bring short term benefits to both companies. Merida will gain near immediate exclusivity for Specialized's orders to Taiwan, as Specialized will no longer use competitors Giant and Ideal. Specialized, meanwhile, receives a quick cash influx to support its current marketing, sales and merchandising programs"
  • + 1
 I wasn't going to go into that much detail, but thanks for clearing it up.
  • + 2
 Sarcasm anyone...
  • + 1
 A little late to this but...........

I don't use plastic, I put money in the bank until I take it out. It takes me awhile to get the funds for a bike, but after putting $3-5k together, $200 MAKES LITTLE DIFFERENCE!!! That's 3.33333333 xbox games or a decent night out. Set your sights on what you want, and get it!

If you are into plastic, well, you have less of an excuse.
  • + 1
 You guys are silly
  • + 1
 @twotone: ok. but that doesn't mean I'm wrong.
  • + 1
 >Firstly, stop being a dickbag, you can argue a point without being an ass.

Hypocrisy at it's finest. This place... man this place...
  • + 1
 i'm surprised no one's used the saying 'pot meet kettle' yet. just have fun and play along. pinkbike is serious bizness Smile
  • + 3
 Talderson appears to be the only person to have been able to logically argue against Orginaltwotone's warped perception of what value actually means to the majority of people. Bang for your buck IS important to many. Despite the myriad of different brands, specs, styles, technologies and options in the market (a key factor in this argument), if two very similar bikes (spec, frame, intended purpose) with different names on the down tube feel the the same or very close when you test ride them, the price difference WILL become a factor for many people. Who pays more for what is percieved to be the same or very similar? Or even worse, and I do see this out there, pay more and get LESS. I am not a brand loyalist, and I bought a Giant because it won (easily in this particular case I must add) the value challenge over other bikes from several leading brands that I would have happily chosen, had they not been asking a higher price for what at that point in time, to me, was basically the same thing. Would I have spent $200 more (assuming I had the ability) to buy one of the others had it offered better value through ride quality, or specification, or warranty, or service package from the LBS? Probably, yes. Because it offered me something extra, or not available with the other bikes, that I perceived to be a better deal for my money. Are Giants always better value? I don't know, far too many comparisons to bother investigating, but overall I often see (I'm not saying always, or even more often than not) Giant with a competitive bike to that of the other big brands you all know, for a lower price. That could likely be where peoples perception of Giant being better value comes from.
  • + 2
 Giant glory frame = $2000 (Less than 7 pound frame)
Everyone else that is comparable is more than $2500.

That is not $200, but $500 difference!
  • + 2
 Not everyone lol, some other companies have cheap lightweight options up their sleeves. You have to read the extra fine print. 7lbs with shock is not that light actually, maybe for a big wheeler. 26" lightweights are 5-6lbs w/shock. You dont need to speek 10k. There isnt that big a difference between ultra high end and high end. Most riders turn over bikes faster than girlfriends so why bother blowing a huge pile of loot.
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  • + 17
 A 27.5 carbon Reign could be 'The One Bike To Rule Them All'. I could see me swapping my (26") Yeti SB66 for one if they launch for 2014.
  • + 10
 Unless of course Yeti reveals a 650B SB model (probably dubbed the SB76 or something like that) and then you'll have to get that one. Wink
  • + 7
 In their beautiful turquoise paint job Big Grin
  • + 1
 Yeah my girlfriend really likes their turquoise blue paint, but she's also announced she wants her next bike to be a full suspension 650B... so... pay attention Yeti... there are women riders with money out there !
  • + 3
 Yeti SB 2756? SB 6506? You're probably right with SB 76.
  • - 26
 so you'll swap a perfectly good do-it-all bike for a piece of mass produced 650b junk? maybe people like you are part of the MTB problem. more money than sense and want want want moar new bicycles because The Man told you to buy one through the medium of his wonderful marketing
  • + 8
 Don't be crazy. Giant likely makes the frame for Yeti. Dissing a product because "it's mass produced" is just foolish. But I think it'll likely be a 5 inch 27.5 to replace the ASR5.
  • - 12
 sheeple
  • + 10
 'People like [me] are part of the problem'...??

gnarbar, please don't make assumptions about me (more money than sense etc) from my bike preferences, when you have literally no idea whatsoever about my circumstances.

For the record, I work in the industry, so it makes sound financial sense for me to change my bikes every 2 years. Although I've had Yeti frames for the last 4 or 5 years, I don't consider a Giant to be beneath me.
  • + 32
 The real news in this article now is that Deeeight has a girlfriend.
  • + 1
 whoever up there said 650b is no good and that its being shoved down peoples throats, let me tell you I bought a 650b bike about 8 months before pb started hyping them because I read up on them and it SOUNDED LIKE GOOD LOGIC. they are not just being hyped to make money. for xc, I actually do ride better on 650b wheels. when I ride a 26 inch it feels too small and 29 feels way too big. i am 6'4" so that may have something to do with why I like it, since I am more proportionate to it.

ALSO. people up there who say buying a certain build is better because its fox are for the most part corporate whores. have you ever ridden rockshox? theyre excellent products.
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  • + 16
 Hopefully Giant will have ditched the daft OverDrive 2 system on these new bikes. If they do, these will be a winner.
  • + 0
 Why, its a great system that increases stiffness for a better ride. Apart from the stem situation why not???
  • + 9
 Unlikely... we have industry-wide adoption of taper 1.5 to 1 1/8 steerers because of Giant, same with 44mm internal cup headtubes (which allow frames to also adapt to taper by running an external cup lower bearing with the internal cup top... there were frames made a decade ago that are compatible with steerers from today as a result), giant generally innovates frame construction details and everyone else copies them.
  • + 0
 OD2 is 1.5" to 1.25". OD was 1.5" to 1.125", but I think they moved away from that standard completely in 2012. Giant is awesome, but they weren't the first to have a tapered steer tube. I believe it was Trek road bikes first.
  • + 4
 I know what OD2 and OD original were. I haven't a problem with them continuing to invent things, but no Trek was NOT first. It really was giant, in 2006 with the Glory Mountain bike. Trek didn't adopt tapered steerer tubes until the 2008 moel year.
  • + 0
 I thought Cannondale road bikes had tapered head tubes/steerers before this.
  • + 3
 Nope, Cannondale used straight oversized proprietary steerers and headtube bearings until they became an early adopter of the 1.5 steerer (they just resized their bearings) standard. Trek did try filling for US patents on tapered steerers starting in may 2006, after Giant already had released their overdrive steerers to the world, but then Trek has a repeated habit of filing for patents, trademarks, domain names and other IP protection for things invented by others, or related to other brands. They're just as bad as Specialized is for doing that. Giant meanwhile innovates and specifically doesn't patent the inventions if they're related to general frame construction, like headsets and steerer tubes (though they do trademark their names for them) because they want them to be adopted by other brands also as industry wide standards.
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 They look really tidy, I like them Smile
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  • + 5
 To people saying Giant doesn't have good deals, I went with an Anthem 29er X 4 because it had the best parts and quality for just under 2 grand. No other company was even close to that price for the quality of components and the frame. Maybe it was different had I wanted to spend more than two grand and look at the anthem 1 compared to other brands, but the way I looked at it was I'll buy nicer components as I need them, since the frame will still be good. Santa Cruz had the closest price, but their rear shock technology was outdated. Trek and Specialized don't even try to have a quality entry level FS bike, in fact they were more than the anthem with lower quality components. I guess you may have a point when you get to the higher price brackets, but not everyone can afford that kind of a bike, and giant at least makes something pretty awesome attainable.
  • + 3
 sc vpp is outdated???since when.....
  • + 4
 I bought a 2012 Anthem29er X2 new last may for 2g's......... good bang for the buck
  • + 0
 On the sc model I was looking at, my local shop warned me that the rear shock pivots were a classic design, but outdated compared to the way the Giant's rear suspension was designed. Overall, the Giant would have significantly less pedal bob uphill than the santa cruz, and not have issues when braking on the downhill. So far love the rear suspension of the anthem, and only sometimes noticeable on steep grades or when I stand up to pedal for extended periods.
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  • + 5
 It really couldn't be 'that' hard to squeeze another 0.75" of space for the rear wheel out of a Trance.
IMO companys are jumping on the 650B band wagon as its relatively easy to modify there 26" designs to accomodate 27.5" and sell 25% more needlessly different bikes.
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 650b doesn't work on a trance x 26. I tried and the tire rubbed the stays pretty bad.
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 babyj that wasn't what he was saying
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 dangraham...got the link for the entire post. I had been wondering about that fitment. I have a Anthem X 29, Faith 0, and a converted Cannondale Rush Carbon 650b that I use as my trail bike but would rather have a Reign or Reign X 650b.
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 This yours? You just running standard forks?
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 The fork is a standard Fox 32. I was running 2.25 Schwalbe Racing Ralphs with no clearance issues. I am currently running Nobby Nics 2.35 in the front and 2.25 in the rear, also with no problems.
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 More choices is a good thing!
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 Not always, As we can see with fork and wheelsets, It is making these items more expensive across the board
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 Last I checked, more competition meant lower prices.
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 I meant with regard to the same manufacturer having to R&D and Make 3 combinations of steerer with 3 combinations of axle as well as coil, air, and travel adjust models of the same fork. Like rockshox with the revelation.

There must be 10 different options for just that one fork with tapered, strait, qr axle, 15-20mm axle.

Rockshox has to recoup those costs somewhere and its part of the reason that a decent fork from the big 3 costs twice the price they used to even 5 years ago.
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 Giant have great bikes but terrible customer support. First of all, Giant corporation, if you are reading this, please fire your Russian idiotic dealer Giant Russia. Those idiots (their service center) don't even know what OverDrive is and have wrong frame descriptions at their website. When I tried to call the UK and then US Giant branches, they said they knew nothing about what kit should the frame come with (it was about a tapered steerer adapter). Our Russian dealer, in turn, is a bunch of idiots who want to earn a lot of money by not doing their job at all, and talk to their clients in a rather rude fashion.

Then, I could not reach the European Giant corporation, no phones or other ways to contact them. So I was left battling those Giant-Russia guys alone. Fortunately, their boss was smart enough to actually read the description in the website and confirm the difference between what they had shipped to me and what the website read. (The website read "XTC has OverDrive and accepts tapered steerer forks" and the frame came with a straight 44mm steerer tube and no external adaptor like Cane Creek EC44/40.) Eventually they paid the cost of the additional adaptor, but the impression and the joy of buying a new frame was spoiled. (That said, the frame is awesome. The people were the weak link.)

But, they still claim that the Giant XTC aluminium frame model year 2012 has an 86.5 BB width!!! Please, Giant corporation, call those idiots and tell them to work better thank you!
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 ive really gotten sick of the community and the industry lately, why cant we just ride whatever wheel size we want and let the other guy ride whatever they want. who cares? why does it have everyones panties in a bunch? ride what you want and shut up.
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 Given that Truvativ stems are on these bikesvand they don't currently produce OD2 compatible stems, I wonder has Giant ditched the 'standard' or have they convinced the good folk at SRAM to start producing OD2 compatible stems?
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 Since Giant launched OD2 they've sworn that Truvativ, FSA and Thomson will provide stems. Obviously none of them have materialised yet, but I guess that's about to change?
  • + 1
 I emailed Thomson and their response was that they will only go OD2 if other brands pick up the size also. Ritchey does a stem, but not very common or in any of the shorter lengths. I would really like an angleset headset without having to change my fork also. If I had truly known what OD2 was (or that my bike even had it) I may well have chosen a different brand. At least Giant are doing some AM stems themselves.
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 The stem choice was my biggest problem, especially the first year when there was no choice. But now Giant have a range and I also have a Pro Koryak and they go down to 60mm - perfectly fine for AM.
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 Press-fit BB, seriously?
They already had press-fit on the last Reign and they ditched it with the current model because there are so many problems with it. And now they are going back to that? I really love my current reign and I would seriously order one of those above without any questions asked, as I don´t think that 26" or 650b makes any difference - but why do they have to use that bullshit press-fit stuff?
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 I thought that the press fit saved weight but the reason they went back for '13 was that threaded bb made it easier to fit a guide. What problems are there with press fit apart from the guide issue?
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 A press fit interface can be machined directly in the carbon frame. A threaded bb would need an alloy insert bonded into the frame.
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 Press fits are more expensive too. If you ride in muddy condition threaded is the way to go price wise.
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 i thought one of the main advantages of having a carbon frame was stiffness... that's what i've really noticed when cornering carbon bikes. So what's the point in having an aluminium rear end, which is where i presume most of the flex will occur anyway when cornering? doesn't it make the stiffness of the front a bit pointless?
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 They did this to the anthem, they said the stiffness benefit was not worth putting a carbon triangle in as the stiffness benefit was not significant enough and the performance to cost ratio was better with just the aluminium. Plus, unlike some other suspension designs there is no pivot in the rear triangle near the dropouts. Can you tell i like my 1/2 carbon anthem rig? hahaha
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 I had a full aluminium anthem and the back end was by far the stiffest of any xc or even trail bike i've ever ridden, giants maestro rear linkage is simply brilliant!
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 To add on that, a carbon front triangle will also add a fair bit of vibration damping, probably one of the most noticeable advantage of a carbon front triangle
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 There was no real weight saving between aluminium and carbon for their rear triangles.
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 Companies do this to sell you the updated full-carbon version a year later.
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 Remember when v10 came from 1/2 carbon to full carbon?
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 Tabletop84: they wouldn't bother if people realised they didn't need said carbon rear triangle. Swings and roundabouts.
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 I keep an alloy anthem rear triangle in my shop from a 1st gen warranty frame just to show people how light they really are, and people are always amazed.
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 These frames are not prototypes. By this time of the year, Giant have already made their 2014 frames. These components and colours aren't production, but the frames are set in stone (and carbon).
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 Hopefully they don't do some gay looking paint job and make it look sick. Now i just have to wait a few months!!! I guess it will be a cheaper option to a santa cruz bronson or intense but...
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  • + 1
 Given that Truvativ stems are on these bikesvand they don't currently produce OD2 compatible stems, I wonder has Giant ditched the 'standard' or have they convinced the good folk at SRAM to start producing OD2 compatible stems?
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 I don't think so. These are likely the new Pikes and RS haven't yet made the OD2 forks for Giant yet. It's likely the standard 1 1/2-1 1/8 steer tube.
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 looks like Pikes to me too but how hard would it be for RS to fit a dif steer tube to it. Not convinced that it isn't OD2
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 The longer travel bike had a RockShox Revelation on it, while the shorter travel one had a SID.
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 I'm getting the impression that Giant is going to kill off its 26er for the Trance and Anthem now. Thanks for the update Mike.
  • + 1
 The only 26ersvin Oz are Reign and Glory now.
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 I just noticed that Giant finally made the switch from 135QR to 142TA. There were saying that the 135QR was just as stiff as a 142. I wonder if marketing got to them or 135 just wasn't stiff as they thought it was.
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 It's very likely a supply issue: even if they are the biggest bike mnfr in the world, it may be cheaper to spec everything at 142mm as so many other players in the market are going the same way.
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 Seriously not liking these 29 and 27.5 bikes, 26 for life! These giants do look pretty flossy though
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 I was talking to a bike shop guy at the end of last year, and he said that given Giant hadn't made any structural changes to the 2013 Trance he was betting there was a 650B Trance in the works for 2014. Looks like he was right.
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 They are great bikes. I got to demo the Anthem 3 and 0 plus the XTC 0 at Interbike this year.

Reviews of which can be found on Texas Mountain Bike Trails: www.texasmountainbiketrails.com/giant-anthem-27-5-3-review

As you'll find in my reviews, I'm not an immediate believer in the 27.5 wheelsize. I feel that it is actually a step backward from a 29er for the type of terrain we ride in Texas.

Now, that's not necessarily the case everywhere else I know, but at least here in XC country that is where we're at now. Some of the downhill enthusiasts who do more hucking than I do however would love the 27.5 trance with 5 inches of travel. The Anthem's with 4 inches just isn't enough for their preferences.

I guess its all in what you like..
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 Giants used to a great value, they used to spec their bikes with great aftermarket parts. That is long gone now that they spec with house brand parts at the same price. I remember when the Trance came out in 05 and the msrp on the frame was $899.99 and the reign was $100 more. Now the frame price is the same as most boutique brands. So were did the value go?
  • + 1
 Totally agree. When I bought a new reign in 09 it had x9, x0, raceface and crossmax st wheels. The bikes from other brands that had equivalent equipment specification cost at least a third more.
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 They always make us buy the same thing every year.... New paint... Now bigger wheels. Same shit! Won't make you a better rider. Boom! Get some real skills and enjoy your riding no matter what horse you are on.
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 as long as 26inch bikes carry on it doesnt really matter. IMHO 29ers are really ugly, 650b look pretty nice. Both look scary- imagine riding a double decker bus down a steep twisty mountain road.
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 There are lot's of long travel 650B. I hope there is a 100-120 mm xc anthem type version with 70 - 71 deg HA and quick handling. I want a tight handling XC 650 B to play with. The pictures don't look promising for steeper head angles. If there is a 110-120 mm version, I hope it's not a chopper.
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 funny how they shaved the lugs off that schwable tire and it looks more like a kenda now.
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 They look as sexy as 26ers. And that is a challenge...
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 Where's the glory
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 I have heard that the Glory is already light enough in aluminium and there is little advantage in going carbon. I think you will see a 650B Glory before you see a carbon Glory. I'd like to see a carbon Glory. Giant have been doing carbon MTBs for over twenty years. If anyone was going to make a DH bike in carbon, I thought it would be Giant.
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 Carbon isnt all about weight. Its about stiffness and strength, carbon is stiffer and lighter and stronger than aluminium, i see no reason why giant wouldnt make a carbon glory
  • + 3
 And vibration dampening
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 Another nice bike with wheels, good move going to 142 / 135 might be able to be made as stiff but 142 is so much easer to use its a doodle.
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 650b 120mm Dually...and a Giant! So it's gonna be a bargain! There's my new bike!
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 Wish there was more pics. Super exited!
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 These Giants look awesome and look to have decent quality components and drivechain!

SWEET!

@OrigionalTwoTone

YOU ARE CLEARLY A STUPID TROLL
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 do you guys not feel duped? i think giant made these bikes to make money not because we need a 27.5'' bike..
  • + 3
 Giant is in the business of making money. When did that become an issue? If they didn't make money, they wouldn't make bikes. Do you go to work and not expect to get paid?
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 Is that the new Reign? Looks sweet. Check out the paper thin tube on the rear triangle.
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 I want to ride the new Banshee Rune with the 27.5 and 26" wheel option. One bike, 2 wheelsets, might just be my next buy.
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 Looks like Mike Sinyard and company went a little 29er crazy.. I bet they are shitting their pants now..
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 27.5 = unnecessary
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 Sighhhhh.... Trolling Frown The debate is dead. Time to move on.
  • + 2
 The debate is dead says who, you? The bike industry comes up with this crap to get us to trade our current bikes for new ones. Very simple, can't fault them for trying to make a buck. You fools buy it because you think you can buy your way to better skills, but you'll suck the same on bigger wheels.
  • + 1
 Guys...

Sure you have the right to debate but there are 2 sides to every story.

1. Everyone can benifit from bigger wheels
2. Bigger wheels on the rear of a full suspension bike gets tricky. This is why many companies have not built long travel 29ers. You have too long of swingarms and complexity of front deraileurs or changuides, linkage, tire clearance, etc. The bikes simply get too long.
3. With 27.5 you can kinda get best of both worlds. bigger wheel with out the engineering disaster of cramming a 29 wheel in a long traver rear end.

Trust me it is not only about money making(mostly...it is a business) it is also about development and pushing boundries and trying to make the best bikes on the market. I am sure Giant wants to be first and capitalize on the $$ from the consumers who must have it right now.

My point is 29er wheels on full suspension bikes is EVERY bike companies challenge as stated by my points above. Hence 27.5"...
  • + 1
 Forgot to mention the obvious: That 27.5" wheels are lighter than 29" wheels too.
  • + 1
 @ slowdownu- are you living under a rock? Who has released a new model this year that doesn't have 650b or 29" wheels? All of the race teams (Trek and Specialized seem to have missed the boat) who have 650b models are running them this year and note significant improvements. Now lets compare that to what? you don't think the debate is over? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH!!!!!!
  • + 0
 Willie, are you trying to be funny or are you really this dense? The riders on the teams ride what they are told to, and pro racing is about selling bikes. They'll ride square wheels if that's what they're told. Specialized is hanging their hats on 29, where have you been? Keep drinking the cool aid with the rest do the sheeple, looking for any edge you can get to ride better. Here's a suggestion, practice and ride more, you might get faster without spending another 3G's. Waiting for biopace cranks to come back too.
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 Smile too funny!!!
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 BTW, I owned a 650b bike BEFORE the market caught on. I don't need to buy new equipment. I was ahead of the curve.
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 I heard there was a 28.25" size coming. Only 29" is really 28" already, right?
  • + 0
 Check back on that article... Posted around mid-night March 31st... April fools Wink (at least I assumed it was after shaking my head for a while)
  • + 4
 MBA's April fools issue stupidity aside, there are several 29er tires that actually aren't even 29" in diameter. 29er is a term adopted for marketing purposes because just calling them 700C x width, would have been too "roadie". Same reason for 650B being called 27.5. That the original mtb tire available in modern times, that kickstarted this whole movement, the Pacenti Neo-Moto 2.3 was described by him (Kirk Pacenti) as being roughly that diameter, is what got that ball rolling. There are 650B tires to be had though that are less than that diameter, and there are ones that are more.
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 A 650b is actually 27.03 not 27.50.
  • + 1
 No... It isn't. There is no 650b mountain bike tire made today that is that small in diameter.
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 Read the current issue of Mountain Bike Action and they test all three wheels sizes. It is 27.03. So yeah it is.......
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 NO. THAT WAS AN APRIL FOOLS ISSUE ARTICLE. WHICH MAKES YOU JUST THAT. A FOOL.
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 Haters make me laugh. Just ride a bike and have fun.
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 Starting to save up!
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 I hope the 150mm model will have shorter cs! And put on the new pike!!!!
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 all im getting from this is the carbon glory coming out in fort bill WC Wink
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 I hope so, i LOVE my glory and can't think of anything else i'd replace it with other than a carbon glory (or maybe a carbon Wilson). Giant make lot of carbon road and mountain bikes so i expect a carbon glory to surface this year. I expect the same for Scott too.
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 personally i think the norco 650b bikes work great
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 Well it's about damn time.
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  • + 0
 im sorry but what is wrong with a 26? seems like a lot of fuss over an extra 1 and a half inches
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 Is that what your lady says?
  • + 1
 No one's making you buy one. There are some of us who don't like 26", whether it be due to bike fit or handling. Let us have our fun too!
  • + 3
 I imagine 26" would be a tight fit, whoever you are....
  • + 2
 24 is fine for me and im twice the width of you so until i quit chocolate i dont have a lady that would wory about it
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 Sighhhhhh..... Trolling Frown Time to move on.
  • + 3
 Farmer, to answer ur question, there is nothing wrong with a 26er.. Let these crack heads get their fix...
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 I was there yesterday! Think I saw Sorge in the crowd.
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 ...see the last photo?
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 I want a reign 29er
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  • - 1
 arn't giant usualy the ones way back on there game. like the glory geo situation. and no carbon.
  • + 3
 Look at giant glory price points and weights. Pretty sure they aren't too worried! My new glory 1 is down to 36.5lbs and msrp is about 4 grand. (38lbs stock) same weight with better components than the demo carbon or demo 8 1 for a fraction of the cost
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 As well. The geo was fine, just not trendy enough. Unless you are racing wc which most dudes on here aren't..
  • + 3
 I've just got from a 2011 Glory to a 2013, and I'm sure I preferred the older geometry for most of my riding. People need to look beyond head angle. There's more to the way a bike rides than 1 number.
  • + 1
 Thats interesting to hear, I'm on the older geometry, what do you ride that you refer the old design?
  • + 1
 its a better all around geo for freeride/dh/enduro. the new design is alot slacker and lower.
  • + 1
 AlexFrey: Most of my riding is fairly tame UK woodland downhill tracks, and 'bikepark' style uplifts. On a big mountain (with a faster rider) I'm sure the newer one would be quicker, but I find it's a bit vague at slower speeds, and can be a real handful through tighter, twisty tracks.
  • + 1
 I always find it interesting to read about how people want low and slack geometry, which makes a bike "less playful" but faster and more stable at race speeds, but they don't want larger wheels which they claim without riding them makes them "less playful." My head hurts reading many of the posts here Frown
  • + 1
 the glory is a downhill bike, downhill bikes are designed to go fast on rough ground. the old glory geometry was too steep/high/short for this in my opinion. I'm coming from a racing point of view. if you want a more 'playful' bike then giant have the Faith.
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 They don't make a faith anymore. And not all downhill trails are World Cup tracks. I love the new geo but it does have it's negatives.
  • + 0
 you don't need world cup tracks to appreciate good angles.
  • + 3
 Rather than catagorising it as good/bad angles, I see it as suitable/unsuitable angles.

I'd agree with what you said before, I'd be better off with a Faith (or similar) as it's more suitable to my riding. That doesn't make either the Faith or the Glory good or bad, just different.
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 MY HOME TRAIL!
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 beautiful beast
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