Martin Maes' GT Force - Enduro World Series 7

Oct 20, 2013
by Mike Levy  

Finale Ligure, Italy
Martin Maes' GT Force

WORDS Mike Levy
PHOTOS Matt Wragg

How fast were you at sixteen? Imagine not only being fast enough to go head to head against some of the word's best racers, but to actually give them a real run for their money. At an age when most kids are spending less time on bikes and more time in cars, chasing tail, and discovering the effects of grape coolers and cheap beer, GT's Martin Maes is threatening to bump established names like Graves, Clementz, and Barel off of the podium at Enduro World Series races around the world. These stunning efforts have come aboard two different bikes this season, with him contesting early rounds on the older 26" wheeled, 150mm travel aluminum Force platform before moving to the fresh carbon fiber, 650B bike pictured here. While the new bike also sports 150mm of travel, it is a completely new machine with revised geometry, bigger wheels, and a fresh 'AOS Independent Drivetrain' suspension design, all of which is looked after by GT factory mechanic, Matteo Nati.
Maes' GT Force details

• Rear wheel travel: 150mm
• Wheel size: 650B
• Frame material: carbon fiber
• Frame size: medium
• FOX RAD suspension
• FOX D.O.S.S seat post
• Shimano single ring drivetrain
• PRO components
• Continental 650B Mountain King tires
bigquotesI like to look after the bike's cable routing - shifter and brakes. I really like to see the bike clean and organized. - Matteo Nati, GT factory mechanic

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Suspension: While the new Force platform may look nothing like the previous iteration, it actually retains many of the main design principles but in a simpler and far more low slung layout. Its AOS Independent Drivetrain system makes use of an extremely high main pivot compared to what you'll see on most of the competition, a design choice that should allow the 150mm travel bike to really fly on rough terrain, and it is a layout that is possible thanks to the Force's PathLink rocker arm that not only compresses the FOX Float X shock on Martin's bike, but also acts as home for the bottom bracket shell. The system works by literally pulling on the carbon fiber chain stays as the rear wheel moves up and out of the way when it meets a bump, which in turn tugs on the PathLink which compresses the shock. While you'd be forgiven for thinking that the bike's high main pivot makes for large amounts of chain growth, much of that is taken care of by the bottom bracket moving rearwards by a few millimeters because it's located on the PathLink that, don't forget, rotates as the bike goes through its travel. Sound complicated? It isn't,
with no more pivot locations than many popular and proven bikes on the market. GT has also put much effort towards creating a laterally rigid bike, with large diameter aluminum pivot axles used at the main pivots, and dual row bearings at the clevis-style dropout pivots. They have also decided to craft the both the bike's chain and seat stays out of carbon fiber, a move that is in contrast to many brands that prefer to use aluminum for the rear ends on even their high-end carbon bikes.

Martin Maes Photo by Matt Wragg


Being the fastest sixteen year old enduro racer in the world gives Maes access some some pretty trick kit, including FOX's Racing Application Development (RAD for short) program that sees his bike fitted with a RAD tuned Float X shock and a 650B specific 34 FIT CTD fork that is usually run at 150mm of travel to match the bike's rear end. That number isn't set in stone, though, with races that include terrain more suited towards true downhill bikes seeing him bump up to 160mm of travel from the Kashima treated 34 fork. Don't think 10mm makes much of a difference? Racing a mid-travel bike against the clock can be a knife edge sort of test, especially when the stage is long, rough, or comes after a long and difficult access climb, and that small increase in travel could be the difference between setting a top three time or suffering a race ending crash. Grams are shaved by way of a very exclusive, non-quick release axle courtesy of FOX that sees it forgo the usual 15QR lever and clocking mechanism. This means that he'll take more time to repair a flat and need an 8mm hex key to get the job done, but a puncture on a timed section would
rule him out for the overall regardless so a speedy repair doesn't rate too high in importance. While exact suspension settings weren't divulged, you can bet that the speeds that Maes travels at means that he requires a far stiffer setup than the average rider would be able to get away with.

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Components: GT's factory enduro team runs a full Shimano drivetrain, including the elusive Shimano chain guide that is still a rare sight. This is a slightly revised version of the model we first spotted at this year's Sea Otter event, with the guide's lower slider using an enclosed design that features more material surrounding the contoured rubber-like piece that the chain slides on, all of which is mounted on the same spring-loaded lower boomerang arm that can move up and out of the way if struck. Maes also doesn't run the segmented bash guard that we've seen some Shimano sponsored riders using, although this bolt-on piece could easily be attached to the crank spider if the day's course calls for it. Word is that Maes sometimes pushes a 38 tooth ring if the event features easy climbs on the transfer stages or lift accessed days like those at the Colorado round, but he has decided to go with a 34 tooth ring for the Italian enduro race, as well as a set of Crankbrothers Mallet Mk3 trail pedals instead of the platforms that we saw him using earlier in the season. An XTR derailleur and 11 - 36 cassette round out his drivetrain.

Martin Maes Photo by Matt Wragg
Martin Maes Photo by Matt Wragg

FOX's 5" travel D.O.S.S. dropper post is used to get the Atherton Star Series seat down and out of the way, and Maes is able to run the dual trigger remote on the underside of the bar in place of a front shifter due to his single chain ring setup. It's interesting to see how far outboard he runs his brake levers on the PRO handlebar, with them positioned nearly right up against the lock-on grip clamps. That isn't the only unusual cockpit preference, though, with Martin also preferring to run the levers quite far out from the grips and with a very firm on/off feel compared to his teammate Dan Atherton's more traditional setup. The 760mm wide PRO handlebar is also from the Atherton series, and is 20mm wider than what Maes began the season with.

He has also changed from an extremely short 35mm stem to a 50mm unit, something that may have come about with his switch from the older Force to the newer version, although this also could change depending on how burly the track is. Nati explained to us that bar height is tweaked to suit different courses by swapping around the spacers above and below the stem, with 15mm of extra stack height added for the Finale Ligure event.

It gets even more interesting when you take a close look at Maes' wheel and tire setup, with a set of un-labeled aluminum rims laced to Shimano XTR hubs with aluminum nipples. The 650B rims appear to be from Stan's, which would make sense given that the GT team has used them in the past, and Nati did admit that Maes runs a tubeless setup with 28PSI up front and 29PSI out back - how exact are you with your tire pressure?



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99 Comments
  • 77 15
 "I like to look after the bike's cable routing." - the seatpost cable doesn't look to organized for me...
  • 11 2
 I'm not too bothered about cable routing but that bugs me Razz
  • 32 1
 That's because it's all the way down, at full extension it would look fine
  • 4 1
 Wth...First thing I noticed..then saw the quote. Hilarious!
  • 5 4
 Funny, I just read the quote too, but nothing a zip tie can't fix, beautiful bike indeed..
  • 11 5
 No actually, a zip tie can't fix it. If it is ziptied flat against a tube, then the post won't extend due to the housing holding it down
  • 3 6
 Coil it around the post.
  • 10 1
 Maybe its time for "FOX Wireles Kashima Coating Droperpost" and RAD version offcourse.
  • 1 0
 I believe the part that extends on this post is not the one connected to the host, look at the nickel looking like tube under the saddle. I might be wrong though.
  • 4 3
 Or he could use a KS Lev..if he wasn't sponsored by fox.
  • 2 11
flag bikeracer28 (Oct 21, 2013 at 5:01) (Below Threshold)
 its probably not the exact bike he races. probably a bike they gave to pinkbike for testing or something.
  • 1 1
 Reverb people! Seat fully down!! And it's much better to have the loop 'out front' there vs. 'out back' over the wheel where it can catch all kinds of stuff.
  • 1 0
 I just worked on one of these bikes and it has some of the worst cable routing for the rear der I've ever seen. You can see in the picture of the non drive crank arm where the housing makes it's first of 2 90 degree bends which are both jammed behind the shock and the linkage. I don't know why they just don't run it on the right side of the bike. The other thing I didn't love about that bike is covered up by the crank arm in that same picture. There is a set of pivots with a pinch bolt that sits below the BB and the bolts heads face either down or forward, the bike I was dealing with that whole area was already chowdered up quite a bit. I did ride the bike around the geo felt really good and I bet the suspension is super active, but I think they need to sort out some of the details before they get any of my $$.
  • 2 0
 or instead have a cable that is attatched to the stationary bit of the seatpost....like a KS Lev. Non moving cable means no ugly loop to worry about.
  • 1 4
 idk why i got neg propped. all i did was give my guess. whats wrong with that? get your panties out of a wad, people.
  • 16 2
 Honestly I would rather be shredding with my heroes than be drinking and chasing hoes. But that's just me
  • 14 0
 10/10. would ride.
  • 11 1
 i used to think gt was ugly but this thing is pretty damn beautiful
  • 13 7
 That bike looks absolutely awesome, just like the DH bike. GT seems to have figured it out finaly - these are no longer weirdos. And remember that long is the new slack! All the best to Martin Maes, I actually drink Leffe Bruin as I write this. Absolutely amazing to be up there.
  • 1 0
 What if I told you... Leffe Bruin ( or "nen donkere Leffe") isn't even Belgiums finest Smile
  • 3 0
 It's the finest Belgian beer they sell in Sweden IMHO. I am aware of your fine production, I wish all the best to all good men who brew beer other than lager piss.
  • 10 1
 So for christmas mom
  • 6 2
 mom? i think you will have as much luck asking santa when you consider what this baby retails for.
  • 5 0
 we can all dream though
  • 1 1
 man it sucks to be poor :/ could be worse though
  • 7 3
 It could be my age. I remember the sweet spot bikes, Kona's floating drivetrain. The trek Y-bikes. This bike may rip but I cannot get my head around a floating drivetrain being a good thing.
  • 5 1
 Its not a floating drivetrain, its a floating BB linkage. The swingarm pivots off the main frame, there's seperate links between the crankset, the swingarm, and the main frame.
  • 4 2
 Okay. So it's half a floating drivetrain. The point is that there is movement between the seat and the bottom bracket. I am sure it works good. The bike looks awesome. But with all the competition I cannot see how this is better.
  • 4 1
 Because you don't get any measurably noticed chain growth as the suspension compresses, and the BB is floating backwards as the wheel moves upwards, so the vertical distance between saddle and pedal doesn't move in any amount that'll change the effective extension of your leg (unlike with URTs).
  • 3 2
 It is a floating drive-train? how is it not?The front sprocket floats and so does the cassette. The vertical distance between the pedal and the saddle changes massively every time you pedal. The distance between the top of the sprocket and the top of the cassette is whats important when looking at chain growth.
  • 5 2
 @DHminipinner... The vertical pedal distance changes mere millimeters thru the entire travel range. If you believe millimeters to be massive, then your girlfriend has been lying to you. Also clearly you've spent ZERO time riding I-drives. All URTs (and Slingshots and ERBs - similar idea, same designer) are the only true floating drivetrain designs because the entire drivetrain is located on the swingarm. But I-drives and all their variants only locate the rear cogset/derailleur onto the swingarm, just like with any other single-pivot design. That the crankset is on a linkage in between the main frame and the swingarm doesn't make it a true floating drivetrain and it doesn't suffer the ill-effects of them, such as the sudden stiffening of the suspension when you lift your weight off the saddle (standing to pedal) and putting all that load into the unsprung mass of the swingarm (that the shock now has to overcome as well).

@RLEnglish... All bikes with rear gears attached to a pivoting swingarm would be "half floating" drivetrains then.
  • 3 1
 Wait since when was the definition of a floating drivetrain "the entire drivetrain is located on the swingarm"? If that is the definition then you're correct but the fact is the drive train on this bike is floating relative to the front triangle. Also in regards to the distance between the pedals and the saddle i think you might want to swap the word pedal for the words Bottom bracket or crank spindle. The actual pedals are attatched to 175mm(approximately) long crank arms which rotate concentrically to the BB. This means the distance between the pedal and the saddle can change by over 300mm depending where you are in the pedal stroke. If you want to get technical here.. the BB travels on a predetermined path which decreases the change in distance between the top of the chainring and the top of the cassette. This in turn allows GT to utilise a higher pivot than if the BB were attatched solidly to the front triangle as they have greater control over the antisquat values of the suspension which would otherwise be too high causing the suspension to extend under pedalling. Instead they can the use the chain torque force to balance(approximately as different gear combinations affect antisquat values) the rearwards weight transfer caused by acceleration.
  • 2 0
 Hopefully the effect at the feet doesn't feel any worse than the pedal kickback most bikes have with their built in anti squat. Even with a fair bit of BB movement, I think it's a worthy trade of for great pedaling and rearward axle path. But I'd have to ride one, as trying to figure out how much the BB moves, how much anti squat there is, and where in the travel it all happens is beyond me. Would be great if someone could map it all on linkage or something. I'd buy one without riding it. My EC4X Mongoose is one of the funnest bikes I've ever owned. My Mongoose Teochalis weren't that great, but I'm guessing this GT is much more refined.
  • 2 0
 Dh minipinner, you do realise this is PinkBike? you're not supposed to make that much sense with comments here you know. Seriously though, whilst it is somewhat of a simple explanation I do see this bike as a halfway house between a URT and a modern 'fully active' (sorry bad phrase I know but don't know what else to call it) design. For me this configuration offers the best possible suspension performance, increasing pivot height without unnecessary chain growth, but I also think it's the most difficult to get the kinematics right on. The other drawback is the complexity of the linkages and the inherent challenge of achieving a stiff frame with the BB not directly fixed to the main frame, for me though the layout of this year's GTs go some way to addressing that with their design, definatly one to watch.
  • 1 0
 Nobody has mentioned the fact your weight(the BB) is part of the unsprung weight.
I'm guessing this bike won't feel super plush, but it'll be fastish in the rough, pump well and power like a hardtail.
  • 3 1
 How does this thing climb compared to prev force?
I know they made reys sensor in al...
Need a pb review please...to include frame + shock weight and as tested weight (every review!).
..still baffled about the cable routing, then mechanics quote. .he must be sarcastic right?
  • 1 0
 Beautiful cable routing... if you've ever ridden a Reverb you'll understand the extra loop there when the seat is down. As others have pointed out there are cable 'keepers' that can be mounted just below the seatpost if you're pedantic, but aren't that widely used otherwise (unneccessary). As for the climbing, you're talking about comparing a 26" to a 650B... (?!).
  • 1 0
 Ya, my '10 26" force climbs ledgy, techy stuff all day. Interested if the new linkage works as good and/or if it is really dependant of the climb mode (rear).
  • 2 0
 www.expure.com/bikes/scans/furtado-rts1_velonews-superbikes1993.jpg

What goes around comes around* Razz



*I'm aware the bb positioning is different and changes everything, and there's only a finite number of ways to position pivots and linkages, but I'm still amused Smile
  • 2 0
 Feels like no matter what GT does, or how much success riders have aboard their bikes, people will always hate on whatever they do. I haven't ridden a GT since my 1993 Performer, but to me their new line of mountain bikes look pretty darn badass.
  • 8 4
 The DOSS seat post is horrible, with an ugly controller and ugly cable routing.... nothing beats a reverb.
  • 5 0
 I've really liked the D.O.S.S. remote when it is mounted under the bar in place of a shifter like Maes runs it on his bike - very ergonomic. Not so much when mounted up top, though.
  • 1 0
 I love the look of this bike, but Is 7000$ (GT.com) not a little steep for an XT group on an AM bike . . . . sounds more like top flight DH money. I would love this bike but for 2000$ less with the same spec . . . . just my 2 cents
  • 1 0
 I've been riding this bike and my mind has been blown. I've ditched my DH bike because this thing is WAY faster in 90% of terrain and it climbs incredibly well! The AOS is really good and does seem to completely isolate pedaling on the ups... The high pivot/rear axle path makes this thing just go when it gets rough! Headed to Moab this weekend to see how fast it can go down desert gnar. By the way, this bike is the laterally stiffest machine I have ever ridden; seriously.
  • 5 0
 Want!
  • 5 0
 Beauty of a bike
  • 2 0
 Elusive as that chain guide might be I've been running one all season on my DH and it works great. Plenty of hits and still going strong.
  • 1 0
 Just got one of these puppies and can't figure out how to run the seatpost cable. It's suppose to go internal under the bb and up the seat stay, but it just ain't gonna go up that whole...?
  • 1 0
 There's also a Force Carbon with 150 mm of travel. I've been on the production version of the Sensor and it feels incredibly stiff, almost like a DH bike.
  • 1 0
 This is the force carbon 150.
  • 4 0
 I want one !!!!!!!
  • 5 3
 Why does GT only offer this with a 3x setup? Would like this as a frame only with float x shock.
  • 2 6
flag Crunge (Oct 20, 2013 at 14:41) (Below Threshold)
 K.
  • 2 0
 Well get on it Crunge! I don't have all day!
  • 3 0
 I have been scratching & clawing to get a frame only. No luck. I will be taking my $ elsewhere...
  • 3 2
 why run the xtr crank with standard chainring bolts versus the xtr specific ones? why run the chainring outboard instead of on the frame side...
  • 4 0
 The 'rings position is related to chain line.
  • 2 0
 Damn i want this bike... I hope to reach the money at end of 2014 or early first months of 2015
  • 4 2
 I guess you have to be a RAD Fox Factory Rider to run a Fox 34 CTD fork in the "open" position...
  • 4 0
 The fork's CTD damper is likely similar to the updated version that is now available to all.
  • 1 2
 Virtual URT but such a nice bike. Apart from gearboxed Nicolai or Cavlerie, this is my favourite 160mm bike. Great design. Pedal like a hardtail, decend well well. Suck up bumps well and maintain speed. Keen as to try one.
When will this design be used for DH? Would need work to lesson BB movement.
Good to see they've gone the Mongoose design route and ditched the dog bone I-Drive style.
  • 5 1
 Its not a URT, virtual or otherwise. Its a floating BB linkage.
  • 2 1
 Call it what you want. It's a fricken URT for descriptive laymans terms for me ;-)
Wheel goes back, and your feet move. Altered by a linkage true, but you could have a proper URT with BB close to pivot achieve the same movement I'd guess.
Wheel goes back = Feet Move = URT. If you wanna carry on, call my lawyer.
Don't get me wrong. I think this is a brilliant design. If it had an Effigear gearbox, I'd be all over it. Or a pivot mounted Alfine and no floating BB.
Until then, I'm looking forward to getting my Nicolai with Pinion, but more-so my 160mm medium high pivot Cavalerie with Effigear gearbox. Sick. If they didn't exist, I'd be all over this GT like a drunk sailor at a strip club.
  • 1 0
 I thought these came with a plastic guard mounted between the tired and path link to protect the shock. Wonder why he's not running it
  • 2 0
 The GT RTS lives, WOOT. No just bring back the IT and do it right(cough Lahar/Zerode) ;-)
  • 1 0
 Whoops, dropped a W.
NoW just bring back the IT and do it right(cough Lahar/Zerode) ;-)
  • 1 0
 Stop arguing about the suspension... if it feels good to you, ride it... if it doesn't, then don't... people have lost all sense as to why we ride in the first place
  • 2 0
 CB Mallet aka the Achilles' Heel of this bike.
  • 1 1
 If they moved the rear pivot to the seat stays instead of having them on the chainstays, wouldn't that isolate the brake forces better? Like an upside down Horst link
  • 1 0
 Kinda. The entire system has to be designed with the correct lengths and pivot positions for that to work. Also it would have a detrimental effect on chain growth which is something this design tries very hard to control.
  • 1 0
 Bit of brake squat is good IMO.
  • 1 1
 I wouldn't change the chain growth.
  • 1 0
 I have one of these for sale, thousand bucks, email me if interested. $1500 with DVO suspension at both ends
  • 1 0
 That price... well cheap beer you are welcome !
  • 2 0
 Wow.
  • 1 0
 yeah continental tire 2.4 must be amazing when riding anywhere
  • 1 0
 Trinity test said it all...
  • 3 1
 No aluminum version?
  • 3 1
 doesn't look like it Frown kinda silly on GT's part
  • 1 2
 The Force is there race series AM set up and the newly designed Sensor 27.5 is there full line up of affordable Aluminum and Carbon AM style Full suspensions - The Sensor Expert is a solid bike - got to test one out and it's feels very plush with component set up. Very much an Enduro style feel with both the Sensor and the Force. www.gtbicycles.com/2014/bikes/mountain/trail-full-suspension
  • 2 0
 Its stupid to say that if a person wants a 150mm alum version of this they should just get the 130mm alum bike. Its not the same thing. If i want 150mm i have a reason and i'm not just going to settle for the shorter travel bike. Sorry GT. If i am in the market for 150mm bike, i can't afford the carbon so i'll have to go somewhere else where they make the bike in a version i can afford.
  • 2 0
 If you like the idea of this bike look at the new marin attack trail. Comes in alu. Rearward axle path. 150mm rear travel. Pedals great. Cheaper.
  • 1 0
 @freestylAM I concur

@saint4life : not all the racers are using carbon, just look at Absalon or Quere...
And I dont want a 5K€ bike wich break if I fall on rocks

@ erik I see only carbon on marin's website
  • 1 0
 I never said they were - GT just stocks only Carbon for the Force now for 2014 - I ride Aluminum for my AM bike. Works great!
  • 1 0
 At least we have the same tyres i common....
  • 1 0
 sweet nice looking bike
  • 1 0
 crazy beast
  • 2 1
 Fuck I like this bike...
  • 5 6
 I run 26.384 in the front. 28.173 in the back
  • 10 0
 Stop bragging about your mullet.
  • 2 0
 Hmm i don't know if it would run that much
  • 1 1
 Interesting that the difference is only 1 psi. Most of the time the difference is around 4 psi, e.g. Hill, Graves, others and, most importantly, me.
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