Giant Trance X 29'er

Aug 22, 2012
by Brad Walton  
 
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2013 Giant Trance X launch at Tyax Lodge photos by Sterling Lorence

Giant has gone 29" with the 2013 Trance X 29er, designed to be a wicked fast 5" trail bike for the Enduro, Super D, or epic trail rider. Giant's concept for the Trance X 29er spurs from a melding of the benefits of the 29" wheel with a more aggressive geometry, creating a fast and flickable chassis for the ultimate trail bike.

Trance X 29er 0 Details

• 29" Giant P-TRX29er wheelset
• ALUXX SL aluminum frameset
• 120mm Maestro suspension
• Fox Float CTD air shocks
• Overdrive 2 tapered fork steerer
• Shimano XT 2x10 drivetrain
• Shimano XT hydraulic disc brakes
• Giant P-TRX 29er 1 wheel system
• Giant 100mm dropper post w/ remote
• Full internal cable routing
• Weight: 28.2 pounds (w/o pedals )
• Sizes: XS, S, M, L (tested), XL
• MSRP: $4,250 USD

A Feature-Rich Frame

Trance X 29 has a highly integrated feature set, the most obvious of which is the fully integrated cable routing, which includes the rear brake line and dropper seatpost cable. Trance X 29's Overdrive 2 headtube utilizes taper-steerer technology, but takes it one step further with a standard 1.5" bearing in the bottom, and 1-1/4" upper bearing interface and stem, for enhanced steering stiffness. Giant's massive rectangular Megadrive downtube joins the oversized Powercore 86mm bottom bracket shell to further enhance torsional stiffness.

Giant employs their proven Maestro suspension platform into the Trance X 29er for a true 5" travel frame. In order to get the sharp handling prowess and flickability Giant was looking for with the 29" wheel, they developed a single-spar swingarm and stepped seat tube that tucks the rear wheel tighter under the rider. The drastic seat tube angle is mostly an optical illusion, as the effective angle is 73 degrees. Chainstay length is 17.8", 10mm shorter than Giant's Anthem X 29er. A 69 degree head angle promises climbing agility mixed with stability and control. Frame weight is 2,670 grams (5.89 lbs) for a size medium with shock and hardware.

  Available in three models, the Trance X 29er covers several price points. Trance X 29er 1 (left) retails for $2,775 USD, weighs 29.6 lbs, and features Fox air suspension, Sram X7 parts grouppo, and Giant's P-XC29er wheelset. Trance X 29er 2 (right) retails for $1,925, weighs 30.8 lbs, and features Rockshox suspension with X5 drivetrain, Shimano disc brakes, and Giant's S-XC29-2 wheelset.

  The key to getting optimal rear wheel clearance on the Trance X 29" is a stepped seat tube and single-spar swingarm. Only one side of the swingarm connects chainstay to seatstay.

photo by Sterling Lorence
  Clean cable routing is emphasized on the Trance X 29er. Even the rear brake line can be routed internally through the chainstay. In the bike's stock form, the rear brake line comes routed on the downtube, but both drivetrain cables and height-adjustable seatpost are routed inside the frame.

  Giant's 100mm 'Contact Switch' dropper post uses a contaminant-free cartridge system and cable actuated remote. The remote is a bit ergonomically awkward to actuate, but the post's action is smooth.

  Giant's new line of stiff, light, handbuilt 29" wheels offer tubeless compatibility, 28-spoke lacing, precision sealed bearings, DT Swiss ratchet driver hub internals, and include a 2-year warranty.

A Fitting Destination
Tyax Lodge Wilderness Resort outside of Gold Bridge, BC hosted the debut of the Trance X 29. Surrounded by the vast, remote Chilcotin Range, Tyax proved to offer ideal terrain for the new Giant trail bike. With no motor vehicle access beyond the resort itself, epic singletrack is the only road for exploration into this Canadian landscape. Well, aside from Tyax Air, the lodge's float plane that transports guests from their hotel room straight to an alpine lake for extended kilometers of pedal-powered mountain cycling.

Tyax Lodge top photo by Sterling Lorence others by Brad Walton
  Trance X 29ers stand tall in front of Tyax Lodge. Nestled in right about the center of the middle of nowhere, Tyax offers guided mountain biking accessed via float plane through the Chilcotins, as well as all the amenities of a mountain lodge.

Tyax Air photos by Sterling Lorence
  Of course a shuttle isn't necessary, but who would turn down this kind of access? Sterling Lorence photos

photos by Sterling Lorence
  Enduro race phenom Adam Craig is more walk than talk. Already having won races aboard the Trance X 29er, Craig enjoys some casual backcountry product testing. Sterling Lorence photos

bigquotesWe wanted to make a fun to ride twenty-niner. - Adam Craig, Giant pro enduro racer

Bike Fit
There's no avoiding the long feel of Trance X 29. After throwing a leg over the bike, it was apparent that we needed some adjustments on our size Large demo bike. We slid the saddle forward and swapped out the stock 100mm stem for something shorter, as did several other riders on the trip. Being a 1-1/4" stem, we were forced to stick with what Giant had on hand, which was a 90mm. At 6'2" in height, our size Large test Trance X 29 felt a bit reachy, even for trails of the absolute cross-country variety. If we were to spend an extended period aboard the Trance X 29, we'd mount something in the 70-80mm stem length for optimal comfort.

2013 Giant Trance X launch at Tyax Lodge photos by Sterling Lorence

First Impressions
We opted out of a half day of climbing in favor of the float plane shuttle to a high alpine lake. Even still, the Chilcotins offer a few sustained climbs as well as several quick technical ones. The whole point of Trance X 29 is to have a bike that handles evenly across the board, so of course it excels at climbing. 29" wheels have the ability to plow through roots, creek crossings, and sandy dust holes that leave a 26" bike at the mercy of it's pilot. The Trance X 29er was ideal for the dusty, swoopy singletrack with mixed rock chunder found in the Chilcotin Range. If ever a bike was designed for a specific trail, it seemed like this was a match made in heaven.

Although the seat tube angle appears quite drastic, the relative location of the stepped seat tube creates a normal seat angle. We never got that off-the-back feel from the bike, and didn't feel like we were reaching for the pedals on long climbs. We also didn't feel a need to activate the CTD shocks on our test ride. Maestro is best left to do it's thing, as it's plenty efficient even on standing climbs at maintaining rear tire traction.

When trail speed opens up a bit, Trance X 29 certainly seems more impressive than on paper. The bike is more stable than it's 69-degree head angle would dictate. 17.8" chainstays probably add to the stability. On the contrary, Trance X 29 has less of the on-top-of-the-bike feel than many 29ers, which allows the rider to feel more stable in corners. We did notice the long cockpit in tight switchbacks, as it leaves the rider a bit high-centered. Other than slow-speed maneuvering, the Trance X 29 feels very stable.

  Giant pro racer Carl Decker gets down to business on the Trance X 29.

2013 Giant Trance X launch at Tyax Lodge photos by Sterling Lorence
  It's not all smooth sailing in the Chilcotins. 29" wheels are most appreciated anywhere the trail approaches a water crossing. Root and rock infestations connect the buttery smooth singletrack, giving the big wheels a clear advantage in the angle of approach. Had it not been for these little nuances, we would have felt overbiked. Given that Trance X 29er 1 is under 30 lbs, we just used our 120mm travel and 29" wheels for an excuse to be lazy and appreciate the scenery.

A Practical Advantage
Considering the light and efficient Swiss-Army nature of the 'trail bike', there really is no reason not to go big in the wheel department. For those most at home on 26" wheels but still curious about the big-wheeled bug that has ravaged the trail bike genre, we can add that Trance X 29 feels the most at home to us of the 29ers we've ridden. Though we're not so quick to ditch our trusty 26" steeds, those in the market for a new bike can't ignore the smooth roll of the bigger wheel. Matter of fact, the most descriptive word for Trance X 29 is 'smooth'. With a proven suspension platform that works great in nearly all situations and a geometry aimed to conquer the 29" stigma, Giant has certainly met their goal of creating a fast and flickable trail bike. As versatile as it sounds, Trance X 29 should be approached with definitive boundaries, as it's limitations when the going gets steep will push some prospective buyers into the less work, more play all-mountain category. We can't really say it's the 'ultimate' trail bike after one test session, but for an entree of smooth, fast trails with a side of bump and grind, Trance X 29 certainly fits the bill in the all-around maximum efficiency department.

www.giant-bicycles.com

172 Comments

  • + 36
 All I read was "1 1/4 inch stem"...
  • + 3
 Exactly!!!???
  • + 8
 Dont you just love another "standard".
Cannondale had 1" 1/4 in the early nineties, thats how "standard" they got then
  • - 24
 I know right? Giant ought to put more effort into finding an alternative to their Maestro "Borderline DW link but tweaked enough to avoid another lawsuit thus giving it the effectiveness of a linkage driven single pivot" suspension system than finding alternative steerer tube sizes.
  • + 19
 Here we go again... always with the DW Link every time Maestro is mentioned.

We ALL know the name of the guy that invented DW Link, but do you know the name of the guy that invented Maestro?

Some people do. And those people know that Maestro was created totally independently of the DW Link, regardless of the crap that is spewed up by people who don't know his name.
  • + 13
 Ok then, what is the name of the guy that created Maestro? ""Bob Maestro the 3rd"?
  • + 6
 Re: 1 1/4" steer tube - very, very stupid idea.
I hate stock Giant cheap stems but I won't be able to get it upgraded to other brands.
I can use my older forks with tapered 1.5 to 1 1/8" steerer but need to change headset, and the original forks I will struggle to sell for any decent money, etc. etc.
What is the point dear Giant ?!?!

It's scare to think that this 'new standard' may actually supersede the 1 1/8" tubes/headset/stems within the next decade (just like with 15mm through axle taking over 9mm and 20mm in XC/trail/am) but with the company of such size and influence on the sport it is very likely to happen.
  • + 6
 The mention of a 1 1/4" steer tube appears to have people looking over the fact that it has an 86mm BB shell too. I've never heard of 86mm, and I don't know what kind of cranksets you're going to be able to get on there. Why keep making new sizes while everybody else is not? If there were other companies doing it, then I'd be okay with it and call it innovation. But this is just tying you down to a certain few names.
Also, I don't know how proven Maestro suspension is, because any bikes I've ridden with it felt relatively sluggish - the only good climbing Giant I've ridden was a hardtail.
  • + 2
 You just know you will get stiffed for twice as much for a nice 1"1/4 stem dont you. I shimmed my 1.5 stems to suit other sizes but they looked ridiculous.
  • + 18
 Perhaps pb should hold a least popular New "Standard" survey. I reckon the ensuing moan-athon might actually crash the server Smile
  • + 4
 Be thankful Easton didn't have their new 35mm stem / bar clamp diameter standard ready in time or Giant would have adopted it also. But there are LOTS and LOTS of 1 1/4 threadless stems available out there if you'd just stop being lazy folks and look. 1 1/4 evolution headsets (threaded and threadless) existed for a good decade and millions of stems were made for them, and easily two dozen major bike brands used the evolution size steerer tubes (as they were known) in their frames because they allowed for larger bearings, larger headtubes, more weld contact area, and stiffer frames and less fork flex. And that is the same reasoning that brought us internal bearing headsets with oversized headtubes, 1.5 steerers, and tapered 1.5-1.125 steerers. By spring time various aftermarket stem makers will have new 1 1/4 stems available. Its not a 'the sky is falling' situation to start moaning about this much. You can already find Giant's carbon fiber Overdrive 2 stems on ebay brand new. You want to run an older 1.5-1.125 taper steerer fork, all you need do is change the top half of the headset at most, and more likely just the top bearing race and topcap.
  • + 5
 The funniest thing about all these complaints about new standards is that they just eventually go away, and really make no difference to which direction the industry goes. Why? Because once a new design becomes the standard, then there's no need to moan about it anymore. Parts become more readily available, with lots of options and the prices go down. And then there's nothing to moan about anymore... until the next new design comes around. Can you imagine your bike without disc brakes? Well kids, once upon a time, they didn't exist. And when they were introduced, people just like you dug their heels in for fear of having to change 1) their hubs 2) their frames 3) their forks 4) their brake levers all because some useless new standard. What a waste of time, right? Then again, some innovations go nowhere, and don't become standards at all. Remember the Alsop Softride? Good thing that didn't catch on. Long story short (too late): moan all you like, it doesn't make a difference. If it catches on and becomes a new standard, then good - all the manufacturers will get on board and you'll have lots of options to choose from. And if it doesn't, no harm done, right?
  • + 3
 I personally have a 2012 Reign with Overdrive 2 and at first wanted a new stem and hated it and was really annoyed but then I realized how stiff the front end of the bike is. The bike has a 150mm revelation with 15mm QR Maxle and feels close to as stiff as a downhill bike because of the larger stem and steer tube. Yes its annoying but the performance gains are well worth it and once more companies are on board and it becomes more popular it wont even be an issue to buy and sell parts for it.
  • + 2
 The reason everyone complains of the 1 1/4 stem and not the BB86 is that the BB86 actually does something over the old standard english bb. Feel flex in your cranks/bb? Sure. In your stem? Heck no.
  • + 7
 The other reason you don't hear complaints about the BB is because it's not a flashy part of the bike. Most PBers are more concerned with blinging out their bikes with an anodized stem.
  • - 2
 Deeeight I would like you list some of these supposed "millions" of 1 1/4" stems that are available. I'm sure you will find that very few 1 1/4" stems are still manufactured.
  • - 2
 @seraph... I said "MADE" for them, you do understand basic grammar and the concept of past tense do you not? But then I forget that you're not very bright or capable of understanding much unless its spelled out for you in crayon or you're led to it by a map. Practically every bike store of any decent size and history going back to the 90s will have such stems kicking around their part bins/shelves. I can find them in a good half dozen shops in this city alone still, and not just the ones that deal Cannondale. Ritchey for one is offering new mountain stems and available through dealers already, Thomson is going to be offering them and there are others if you simply looked. It took me all of six seconds to find a few dozen stems on ebay. Perhaps if you exercised your brain once in awhile you could find these things out yourself.

@joeyjoedotorg... yes, i can feel stem flex. I can feel bar flex too. So apparently can the designers at Easton who with the move to wider bars, have taken it upon themselves to develop a new bar clamp standard of 35mm for their Havoc series.
  • + 5
 I see we're getting down to personal attacks. Very mature.

So Ritchey makes one, and Thomson will make one. Ok that's two. Or one can go on eBay and get a used or NOS 1 1/4" stem that will probably be too long because it is from an era where long stems were king. Not exactly "millions" of viable options there. People want choices, and with 1 1/4" they are not getting them.
  • - 2
 I never once claimed there were millions just waiting in every mom & pop store for folks to go buy for instant gratification. But the stems are out there, in a wide variety of sizes to meet all needs. Hell GIANT themselves offer them in a wide range of sizes. Is it just too much trouble if you're buying a giant, to ask the dealer to change the stem to a shorter/longer one ??? The giant dealers in this area will all do it. Common sense and americans are distant cousins apparently.

I'm done wasting my time with you.
  • + 5
 Why so angry? No need to get all huffy with me. I'm just saying that 1 1/4" is a silly move for Giant because there aren't as many options for stems available. Consumers like options, and I think that once customers get wind of their inability to put their favorite stem on their new Giant, they will lose faith in the company, no matter how well the bike rides.
  • + 4
 meeeooowww!!^^
  • + 1
 Are there no options for people with 1.5 to 1 1/8 tapered steerers if they want something different than what comes on the bike? You do know GIANT invented that size and adopted it first right ? How many fork makers now offer it ? How about QR15 ? Fox and Shimano developed it together, meaning shimano was originally the only hub maker for it. How many alternatives are their now only a few years later. Rockshox bitched that it wasn't needed and how their 20mm Maxle Lite QRs were so much better, but now Rockshox makes a lot of forks with QR15. Magura was firmly behind licensing the maxles from RS but have now dropped them completely for the open standard QR15 design.
  • + 10
 I can't believe people are still shitting their pants because of Overdrive 2. Get over it, it's here to stay, if you don't like it, you don't have to buy it.

For what it's worth, it seems to me that the only people who ever complain about it would never buy an OD2 equipped bike anyway, usually because they're: a) too poor b) too pompous and stuck up their own arses to ever ride a Giant anyway.
  • + 1
 Think the real problem a lot of us have with varying standards is the a lot of us buy and sell a lot of second hand stuff to improve our bikes and there is nothing worse when you haven't got a lot of cash than finding out that frame you just spent you last 400 on needs a different crank or wheel or fork that you hadn't planned for or maybe can't afford
  • + 3
 That's just press fit 73mm... Standard chainset width.
  • + 1
 Fair enough. I forgot about pressfit and was just thinking of the oldschool 68s and 73s. Still not a fan of Giant though...
  • + 1
 Easton make one Thompson make, what else do u need?
  • + 1
 I'll just keep my 26" Trance X...
  • + 2
 all you have to do is google giants OD2 stems and find a lot of online dealers ready to ship
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  • + 9
 I don't know i have mixed feelings about 29ers, i had a trance x, and just a few weeks ago i've swapped to a Stumpy Evo. I've tried the stumpy 29er for a a while and also had a good ride at the Anthem 29er before i made my decision to go with the 26" evo. And i don't regret it one single bit, i love my bike, already smashed all my PR on strava since i started riding the new beast.

I can see a market for 29ers on the XC world, but for anyone that wants to be more aggressive on the trails, 26" still rules! One of my riding buddies ride the anthem 29er, he loves the feel of it but even him after riding my Evo, said: "This is the best bike i've ever ridden in my life". We ride a lot of technical, switchbacks and rocky terrain, i agree the 29er on some of the climbs we do is better at rolling over things, but when ti comes to the technical DH, with drops and berms, jumps, you can't even start to look at a 29er, the 26" rules!

That's why i'm keeping my Evo! I still believe 29ers have their place in the market but not for me... thanks!

cheers,
dan
  • + 4
 Good points Dan.
We mustn't forget the different wheel sizes are actually a great thing as we are all different and can pick up the size that suits our riding style/trails the best.
No one ever complained that dirt jumpers for years use 20, 24 or 26 inch wheels, why even bother to fight with the wide variety available for the MTB?
Stop moaning people and enjoy riding!

PS. I already tried 29ers and 650b, they'er all good depending of what I'm riding. My FR play rig still has the 26" hoops.
  • + 2
 I think you need to compare apples to apples. The Anthem 29er has a super long chainstays which make it terrible for drops and tight stuff. The Stumpy 29er evo vs 26 evo would be a much more fair competition of 29ers vs 26ers.
  • + 1
 I tried every LT 29er on the market before I settled on the Tallboy LT. Give that one a go before you write them off completely. The 26er still rules the dh but the bike manufacturers have figured out the wagon wheels and for AM/XC these things are rippers. And with the trails we have here in Whistler, I don't mind if they smooth them out a bit. Wink
  • + 1
 i agree with evo vs anthem geometry, unfortunately here in australia they don't have the stumpy evo 29er, we do have the stumpy 29er, and that i have tried, again i can see where it would work but not for me.

On the other hand answering to JScott, yes i did read some really good reviews on the talboy, but unfortunately i don't know anyone that has one, and i never seen a demo day around here for the santa cruz bikes... but being the 29er just starting to make an appearance on the market now, it's still pretty young comparing to the 26" bikes, i think there is a lot to be learned on the R&D department of the manufactures, and i can see there are a lot of good possibility for improvements on every aspect. As i said before i haven't ruled them out, but now i'm more than happy with my eve Wink
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  • + 6
 I see here a bunch of trend follower... 29 are good, 26 are good and 650b are good but for some people can not be... it's not a thing that will be good or that will fit everyone... stopping following trends and start to respect different opinions
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  • + 4
 I can just imagine this is another thing that will divide our sport, much like the silly mountain biker and roadie thing. The way I see it, the more choice the better, as long as they don't force people to swap by phasing out 26" all is good.
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  • + 3
 So, Giant runs the cables internally to clean up the look.
Then brings them out of the frame at the bottom of the down tube where they may get smashed by climbing or riding over rocks?
This is fail.
I shouldn't have to run cables elsewhere with zip ties or stick on mounts.
It's a real shame because their bikes ride very well.
They just can't seem to get the little things right.
One giant gone and replaced with another brand.
One to go.
  • + 5
 Honestly, have you ever smashed cables on the bottom bracket before? I haven't. You know why? Because any obstacles hit my bash guard before they can hit the BB. Flying rocks? Downtube yes, BB no. The BBs on my bikes are pretty unscathed.
  • - 3
 Yes I have had cable damage down by the bottom bracket.
The bash guards catch most of everything but not all.
Here in B.C. we ride 5000' vertical drop mountains with steep descents and loose rock gardens.
Sometimes we even ride these tracks on 5-6" small bikes and 29er's so those cables need to be run elsewhere period.
Come on out with your 5-6" bike and I'll show you first hand.

Now, I will say it's much less likely on the bike we are talking about in this article as it's not designed for gnarly descents.
But why even put cables anywhere near the bottom of down tube or bottom bracket where they are at risk of impact or catch on logs, roots or rocks?
It's a design flaw that Giant is still not addressing with a lot of their bikes.

When Giant starts routing their cables out of harms way from impacts/catching on all models, starts putting ISCG tabs on models that should have them (Reign) and stops using their own brand name parts on their bikes I will consider them again.
Until then I'm looking at 650b rides from company's that are getting the little things right.

That is all.
  • + 0
 Too difficult to actually READ the whole article eh?

"Even the rear brake line can be routed internally through the chainstay. In the bike's stock form, the rear brake line comes routed on the downtube,"

That means, boys and girls... that as sold... the brake line comes down the downtube, but the routing is there to run it INSIDE the tube to protect it from damage. Why don't they sell them that way? Because you need to rebleed the brake to do it, as you have to cut the line and route it thru the frame for the exact length of each frame size, and that is a time consuming step that would add to the price tag of the bikes. If the owner who buys the bike wants to pay the premium to route the line that way, let them.

As to companies which use/have their own house brands of parts... giant is one of the few that actually OWNS the manufacturing facilities for their parts as well as designs them and then paints/finishes/decals them. Kona, Trek, Specialized, etc that do that... they're just slapping labels on stuff made for them. Cannondale also is a big user of housebrand components (including suspension forks which have steerer tubes that being 1.56" diameter, aren't really compatible with anyone else for stems aside from ohhh.... Ritchey and soon Thomson... but people don't whine about them like they are about Giant and the new OD2.
  • + 2
 Actually I did READ the whole article.
And yes I did READ the lines can be run internally through the down tube and then internally through the chainstay.
But look at the picture of the one that is done internally.
The lines still have to get from the down tube to the chainstay somehow.
The lines in the picture come out of the BOTTOM of the down tube UNDERNEATH the bottom bracket (risk of damage or catching from own experience) and then internally into the chainstay.
IMO the lines should come out of the TOP of the down tube near the bottom and over the bottom bracket then internally into the chainstay.
That way no lines are anywhere near the bottom of the bike and subject to flying rocks or catching on logs, branches or roots.
Design flaw IMO, but it's only my opinion.

If you like it by all means pick one up.

Cheers
  • + 1
 YES... BECAUSE THEY WERE PHOTOGRAPHED AS THE BIKES COME SETUP STOCK... but there's a port on the top of the downtube the brake line could route out of, and then go into the chainstay WITHOUT passing under the BB shell. It is NOT a design flaw. It is an alternative way to route the cables. Trek does something similar on their 2012 models with carbon main frames. You can pass the lines INSIDE the tube, or if you don't wanna mess about with that sort of routing complication, they have channel inserts that run along the top of the downtube to clip the lines to instead.
  • + 0
 If there is ports on the top of the down tube where the lines can come out of the top and go over the BB that's good news and I stand corrected.
I also read the Reign for 2013 will have ISCG tabs again.
Also a move in the right direction and I stand corrected on that as well.
If the 2013 Glory gets some sort of internal cable routing with ports on top of the down tube at the bottom to run cables over the BB I will have no complaints.
They have already improved the geo.
Note, I said improved not corrected.

Your defending all of Giants decisions on here pretty hard.
Do you have vested interest in Giant?
  • + 1
 I got asked if I have a vested interested in something in practically every review. The only thing I have an interest in is logic.
  • + 0
 I didn't ask you if you had vested interest in logic.
I asked you if you have vested interest in Giant.
So... yes you have vested interest in Giant and you are supporting the brand you believe in?
Or no you just like to go on "practically every review" and argue the opposing position?
Which is it?
  • + 2
 I have noticed that Specailized bikes run all the cables right down the middle of the downtube, right under the BB too. and of course they use house brand components too. So why does Giant get beet up over this and not Spec?? Oh and of course people stand up for what they believe in. It's called integrity. I mean really go to a bike shop and look at all the bikes how many are actualy over the bb?? with all the cables?? Odds of a rock coming up and hitting that exact 4-5mm spot hard enough to destroy a housing and cable to the point that it won't function, seems like making a mountain out of a mole hill. Just my thoughts on this.
  • + 1
 I don't have a vested interest in ANY brand of bike or product. I just don't play well with morons, people displaying moronic thinking, or the spouting off of moronic ideas.

For decades, brake and/or gear cables were routed down the underside of the downtube and under the BB shell. For reaching the front derailleur location and the rear derailleur, it made for the cleanest most-direct path and resulted in the least amount of shifter imprecision from stretched cables and the least amount of weight also. Then certain folks started complaining about dirty cables and before you knew it, all bikes just HAD to have top-routed cables/housing. But they were never moved because of impact damage being a worry. Now with the normal solution to contaminated cables being to just run full housing, and also with hydraulic brakes requiring unbroken hosuing from caliper to lever, we don't need to worry about about contamination. Salsa also runs the lines down the downtube, on the underside. Now while I don't mind shifter housing going that way, I do find routing the brake line that way annoying because unless the brake mount is located on the chainstay, it means you'll need a longer housing run that for most any other bike, which means more weight. My Salsa Mukluk and Spearfish both have ended up with me just zip-tying the brake line to the toptube and seatstay.
  • + 2
 You can call me a moron displaying moronic thinking and spouting off moronic ideas all you want.
If name calling is what you have to do to feel you a correct on this matter or any other matter within your life so be it.
Maybe someday you will figure out people in this world are entitled to opinions differing from yours.
Especially on a public forum about bikes.
Get used to it.

I read tonka-bikes opinion above.
Is it moronic because it differs from mine?
No, It's just an opinion.

So again...
My experience from owning Giant bikes with cables run down the bottom of the down tube and under the BB is the lines can be damage by loose rocks, shutting or catching on branches.
More so here because of the trails I ride.
Because of my own experiences with this I consider it to be a design flaw or maybe a design oversight.
Whatever terminology you are comfortable with.
It doesn't matter if it's Giant, Spec or any other brand.

THIS IS JUST MY OPINION.

I'm sure you are very busy insulting someone else on another topic somewhere on here so I will let you get it.
It's Friday and I'm going for a ride.

That is all.
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  • + 3
 86mm BB on a trail bike.....another different headset standard.....this is getting more and more frustrating for consumers. I can speak for myself from experience recently when sourcing parts for my Tallboy LTc. Made a mistake ordering the Angleset since there are so many standard for the tappered head tubes. Now even if i wanted to change to this frame, i have to get a new headset, bottom bracket and crankset and not to mention a new seat post......
The bike manufacturers should look into compatibility aspects when manufacturing new frames and standards, as this will influence consumers when purchasing new products. Since i already have a set of parts, i would like to save some money and reuse these parts, and it would be a great help if the new frame i'am purchasing can accommodate the parts from my previous frame. Anyway this is just my opinion and i know every manufacturer wants to make money (bottom line) but still, giving the consumers some flexibility would be a great help!
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 All you Twenty Niner Winers should be happy, cause 26er seem to be the cheapest ones around as they're the most plentiful. And what does it matter anyway? If trends move in one direction it usually isn't because the trend sucks. 29er wheels have some great qualities and they are only gonna get better. You've got years to wait till 26er parts become hard to get, and by then whatever big wheels are in vogue will be riding amazingly well, so I say just keep riding what you love and read all you can until you buy the next bike.

ps. I ride a 26er and 29er.
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 test riding trail bikes around the chilcotins and float planes drops. Dream Job!!!
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 Thanks for that writeup Brad. Any video of the test happening by any chance particularly in the rooty part of the Gun Creek section lower down as you get closer to Jewel Creek just to see how Maestro does there?

More needs be said about that Giant post which does its job well at a particularly low price point
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 No vids of suspension actuation as of yet. Performance in these sections was fantastic, even though I'm traditionally not a 29er fan.

The post did perform well, and at $250 retail, seems like a good aftermarket option. I wasn't really into the ergonomics of the lever. Reach up over the lever with thumb, then pull down. It's a bit scary to have to put the thumb in that position when heading into a gnarly section at speed. Other remotes have more of a 'push' action rather than pull, which is more intuitive. I presume it just takes some getting used to.
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 Brad - what was the big thing(s) that made the performance fantastic for you? Legitimate straight-up serious question. I ride a lot of chunky trail here in BC (both up and down), but come from a dh background and tend to pick..ah..*direct* lines.. my 26" wheels sometimes pay the price. I have been skeptical of 29s since they either have to be a) easier to destroy if similar weight to 26, or b) significantly heavier than 26 to keep strength. The restrictions on frame geometry has me skeptical too. I fully realize the geometry of larger wheels rolling over obstacles easier. Body control and line choice has always let me roll/climb/gap stuff pretty smoothly...
So what's fantastic? And is it enough to outweigh the problems 29 seem to have so far?
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 5" travel and 29" wheels are what makes it an ideal bike for the rooty sections Lee is referring to, but even these sections are tame compared to most of what's offered along the Sea-To-Sky highway. Like I said, I nearly felt overbiked for the most part. It's hard to say after one ride if it is enough to outweigh the 'problems' of 29. Personally (and not only is this completely uncharacteristic of me but I also think I'm alone in the dark here) I skipped right over the 29er thing and am looking forward to 650b. Bigger wheels obviously have an advantage in angle of approach, so they are smoother. But, they don't feel right (to me) on technical trails and certainly not in the air. Giant has done a good job in making the Trance X 29 as fun as it can be, carrying all the advantages of the 29" wheel, but, it's still a 29" wheel, and as you said, there are 'problems'. The concept of the 'trail bike' is based around efficiency, and the 29" wheel is without a doubt the most efficient wheel on the ground. If your pursuits are mainly grounded and of the fast and efficient nature, this is a great bike that transfers pretty well from those used to 26". I do not have much use for a bike with limitations, so I am typically much more interested in bike that fits into the versatile 'all-mountain' genre. I don't really feel comfortable charging into anything on a 29er, but Mike Levy sure does. Hopefully he will get to put in his $0.02 with a full review of the Trance X 29 next spring.
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 It's hard not to be overbiked on that particular Chilcotin trail though. I rode that thing first on a Ti hardtail and that was plenty of bike and last on a Tallboy (120mm travel 29er) which was plenty of bike for something that fast and smooth. It would have been cool if somehow the ride could have been arranged to drop in on over Windy Pass and over to B&F or Lick Creek but perhaps that'd be a bit more of a slog.

Having said that you were quite clear in clarifying that your impressions were initial. If I may make one suggestion; if/when you look at a 650b bike try to also get the 26" version so you can see for yourself if you feel a difference in Range between the wheelsize. I for one, am going to try that tact myself. Looking forward to your take on the 650b spectacle and to Levy's take on the Trance
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 Great, thanks Brad. I am familiar with that section of trail and just hit it a couple weeks ago on my Nomad C, also more than enough bike out there. What I am looking for is feedback on what happens to 29s when pushed hard - jumped, railed, drifted, etc. To date, 29s seem to be in the realm of XC to moderate trail spec. I'm sure as more people get time on them, the reality of their limitations will surface.
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 Thanks for the suggestion Lee. I can always tell when I'm on a 29er because they feel too tall and turn weird to me. As for being jumped, railed, and drifted, I've seen them pushed pretty hard, but this isn't the type of environment they are meant to excel in. 29 is for going fast on flat ground. I welcome hate from the 29er crowd on that last statement.
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 Probably my next bike. I've said it before and I'll say it again - anyone who knows how to ride swaps the stock stem on their Giant for a shorter one. So Giant, how about you put short OEM stems on!
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 wow this bike looks like a certified all mountain ripper!Drool id love one in my garage. tup IMHO, I could care less about the taper-steerer tube im sure they did that to make the bike stronger...
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 I agree, 5 and 5, 29er rollability and stability, slack head tube angle. Ive been waiting for one of these all mtn 29ers for a while now, and this, so far, is one of the better offerings I have seen.
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 I ride this bike and I love it. I love ppl bashing it in chat rooms too, cause then fewer ppl will be on the trail with the same bike as me. OD2 stem… I don’t like the limitations but it werks. My set came with a 90mm stem. I threw longer bars on it. I may get ahold of a shorter stem next season. My 26er snob friends get on it and say hey this feels just like my sixer, then I shred some big greasy roots and say “its not like yer sixer”. But pick a wheel size and be a total dick about it right. 9er Lyfe!.
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 it might be a nice bike, but " the ultimate trail bike" thats a big call, PB seems to be going a bit meh, with this fairly thinly disguised marketing....
can hardly call it "the ultimate" if you had to swap parts to make it safely/comfortably rideable
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 How does Pinkbike make money?
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 Advertising, same as any other magazine, print or online. It certainly isn't by the few of us willing to buy the plus memberships and actually SUPPORT the place. Prior to my posting under this review, there were ZERO other plus members posting, out of 47 comments. That means there are a lot of mighty whiny people complaining about what PB reviews, who aren't contributing anything to operate the site.
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 As an early member of PB - in the late 90's, when it had a threaded forum and was pretty much for Calgary riders only - I remember Radek saying very clearly that Pinkbike would NEVER EVER be a pay-access site. I very much respect that statement and attitude towards having PB be more than just a business. Having people contribute voluntarily to PB to support it financially is great, I'm sure plus members are appreciated. But support comes in way more than just paid member contributions - it comes in visits, using the site, making comments and clicking on ads. In my eyes, the biggest support anyone can give is to contribute to comments (whiny or not), articles, info etc. It's what started PB in the first place, and what has made it grow to the massive and best biking website that it is today. But make no mistake - just because you don't pay, doesn't make you any less of a member.
  • + 1
 I tried to explain in another thread that advertising is how PB makes money but got shot down by a bunch of kids who thought they knew better. As for members supporting the site, that is true... to a point. Non-paying members support this site too, as g123 states. PLUS members don't see any advertising, thus generate no additional revenue to the site. Membership fees are fixed. Revenue generated by advertising is open-ended. The more (non-members) who visit this site, the more advertisers will want to place their ads here. And the comments placed here give advertisers a very good idea of what people want to see here. So there is an important role for all members, whether they pay or not.
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 This is simply a presentation of a product that is new to the market. It's your decision whether or not this product interests you. Giant calls it the 'ultimate trail bike', and we should have made that more clear. The last sentence reads "we can't really say it's the 'ultimate' trail bike after one test session."
  • + 1
 Looks like you had a great place to bike, no matter what you were riding. Love the Chilcotin, miss it.
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 What's interesting to me is that when rich individuals or business interests approach politicians with wine, dining, courtship and toys to play with, we consider it corrupt politics and improper influence of the government.

But when a bike (or part) maker does it to a "journalist" outlet, it's considered acceptable, and nobody asks whether the schmooze is improperly influencing "journalists" in their "review" of a new bike (or part).

I think it's because lots of bike riders wish they were, for example, Brad Walton or Mike Levy, flying to remote locations to test "product."

I don't trust any review written after such a prostitute weekend. You shouldn't either.
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 Well, Brad Walton and Mike Levy are not paid by my tax dollars, and their bike reviews are not going to affect public policy any time soon. It's a free site. Read it. Like it, or don't. Who cares.
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 I wouldn't trust the opinion of someone using barney the dinosaur as their avatar...
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 Gosh --Datey the Genius has an opinion on avatars, but can't (despite his genius) understand satire? Datey, you were funny when you were Upie, but you're not funny these days. You're just a boring expert-on-being-an-expert. Great. You remember stuff from the 80s. I do too. You can research datapoints with google. I can too. What do you ever add, Datey? Anything? I see two categories. One is directly above. The other is statistics and arrogant poses at authority. I don't think either is useful.

As to you, smike, you're not that quick are you? You don't get analogies? It has to be exactly the same, or there's no use? I'm sorry your IQ is such a stumbling block, so I'll help you here. The price of government (what you're taxed) is influenced by the corruption I described above. The cost of your bicycle is influenced by the corruption of these presstitute weekends. In both cases, the wined-and-dined person (politician, or Mountain Bike Fiction writer) comes away being unable to be critical because of all the luxurious stuff he's just been given, or has just eaten, or has just slept on, or has just flown in, or has just driven in.

If you can't see the parallels, that's due to your mental deficiency.

And telling others they can just "look away" isn't really responding to the question of why presstitution is acceptable.

Apparently, everyone at this point in history thinks we all should just be whores about everything, and to hell with the impacts down the road. Get mine! Get it now! Screw those who are negatively affected!

And you seem to feel empowered by that.

Strange.
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 What's problematic about the whole deal is that obviously Cunningham, Levy and Walton get gulled by the manufacturers. Their "reviews" end up regurgitating BS sales fluff from the Mfr who just wined-and-dined them. Instead of getting a detached, useful review, what we get is fluff, salesmanship, and essentially, PB serving as MBA for the Toobz, just acting like another salesman in the "industry".

What's galling is that they're pretending to be objective, while not delivering anything close to it. But that's cool by you, because you wish you could get presstituted too.
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 Mike has done a few reviews recently where he has talked about the downsides of products.

This site is free and it rocks.

The easily-persuadable might buy a bike on the strength of a review, but the discerning will always do their own investigation/testing before purchase. Brad could have said it is the greatest climbing, best descending non-bobbing hucking whippy cornering machine this side of the Millky Way and I still wouldn't ride it without test riding it. Giant's and Pinkbike's job is to get us interested in what is out there, and we can do the rest.

I liked this article. Good photos.

BTW, I tilt my Switch lever so that it is right next to and takes the same action as the shifter.
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 @ CFO- Again, this is a product presentation for a new product, so there isn't a lot of room to speak objectively about it's performance. We had one ride on relatively easy trails, and the bike performed flawlessly. Most likely, any light bike is going to perform great in this setting, and it shouldn't be hard to imagine the smoothness of a 28lb, 5" travel, 29" wheel bicycle with an XT grouppo. We even went so far as to say that we felt 'overbiked'.

While some of the information is similar to what you will find on the manufacturer website, we are able to present you with this information before the manufacturer even has it available to you, and perhaps spark the interest of someone who is interested in purchasing such a product. I encourage you to take the time to read the actual product reviews on this site, as they should give you a better impression of how the product meets it's intended purpose.

As for the 'presstitute' comment, most of the article is a presentation of facts. You should also find some brief positive, and negative, comments about various attributes of the bike. If Giant had not hosted this debut, we would all have to wait until Interbike to get the facts and even less of a ride impression. It sounds to me like you should stick to looking at pictures so as to eliminate any opinion whatsoever.
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 Ignore him, he's one of the drones that got booted off mtbr ages ago.
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 I don't understand this stem issue. Is the steerer tube is 1 1/4" ? I have an Anthem X29 with the "OverDrive" headtube but the fork is still standard 1 1/8". Stems clamp to the fork steerer of course. I must be missing something...
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 Yes, OD2 is 1.5 to 1.25 taper. There's also a 1.25 to 1.125 taper standard used on road bikes that was started by Giant and then adopted by many other brands. Giant is the largest bicycle brand in the world, by a wide margin. If they bring something into production, the rest of the bike industry moves to follow them. They were the first with zero stack headsets, the first with tapered 1.5 to 1.125 steerers, the first to use hydroformed tubing, etc. Stuff the children on here take for granted, was first developed by Giant Bicycles. This is just another such development. That Fox and Rockshox are already making forks for the OD2 standard is proof enough that its going to spread. With 650B's development, we had to wait for four years before Fox and RS announced they'd support the wheel size.
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 I understand (and appreciate) technical advances for things that make an actual difference to the way a bike feels to a rider. True, the big brands are the industry leaders and bear the burden of introducing new standards.
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 So, if 29ers roll better than 26ers over braking bumps, rocks etc, what happens when all of the bumps start to throw a 29er? Will they opt for more travel, or EVEN BIGGER wheels?
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 going down a wheel size would benefit more riders skills than going up. i get more out of my 26s to 20s than i ever did
26 to 29(custom & gave it a good year thrashing then sold it). ride what ya like but i don't get it.
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 I'd imagine the bike trails in Houston aren't the same as they are here in BC. I could just imagine trying to get my 6'3" frame onto a 20" wheeled bike and trying to ride Comfortably Numb out here in Whistler. haha
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 C'mon now...you can bmxican anywhere. Who needs trails for 20s? I do miss riding in bc. I'm old enough that I rode there when syncros was still in bc! Haha
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 I love the technologies and continual advancement of our sport but do feel all this 29 er push is a little one sided. The last xc world cup was won on a 650b and certain athletes such as Remy absalon still opt for the 26 standard. I do believe they have place but would like to see some more balanced articles. Also, it would be interesting to compare with moto x - have wheel sizes increased on these bikes in recent years and if not why if the bigger wheel offers so many advantages
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 Since people seem more concerned about the stems than anything else... here's who already makes stems for the OD2 standard in 31.8 bar size (there were dozens who made it for 25.4 bar size previously if you need that then go look for them yourself...google exists for a reason).

- Giant (obviously, in Al and Carbon versions)
- Ritchey
- Syntace
- Specialized (their adjustable angle stems are a 1.25 steerer bore and use angled shims to fit 1 1/8 steerers to adjust the stem rise)
- FSA
- NVO's ATS adjustable height stems (also sold under other brand names such as Scott USA) which use a 40mm tall shim that fits over a 1 1/8 steerer that the stem can slide up and down, use stems which are 1.25" steerer bore also.
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 Oh no, not another 29er. Is that the way the market to convince us we need 29er? By showing us only 29er articles? I don't mind having 29ers around, but c'mon, aren't there 26 inches XC/AM bikes anymore?
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 26 XC? Dying breed. Most major brands are dropping them like crazy. The XC market is the lions share of any non-boutique brands business, and when the 26er model sales tank because of alternative wheel sizes.... well its pretty obvious what will happen. 26er hardtails are certainly going away fast for XC, full suspensions probably will stick around, if only to appeal to the shortest riders but when you can already fit really tiny folks onto 650Bs, not much point really. If you go by world cup racing to measure what is popular in XC, at the season opener of the world cup series (the one that nino schurter won on the 650B), nine of the top ten finishers were on 29ers.

26 AM? Yeah there may be more alternative offerings in 650B and 29er tire sizes, but the 26 AM market isn't really shrinking that much to be noticed by manufacturers yet. Its more a case of people moving from buying XC bikes to buying AM bikes, and therefore are already likely to be considering alternative wheel sizing, and this is why there's an increasing number of bigger wheel Trail and AM bikes being developed.
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 You're no fool. I couldn't have said it better myself. Not to mention, the manufacturers have also started solving the issues with Long travel 29ers so the AM market is going to see much better bikes in that category with big hoops.

Most of the 29er whiners haven't even spent half a day on one. One guy up above compared it to a road bike... really? Seriously guys, try one before you bitch and moan.
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 Nah, they haven't. The explosion in 650B interest in the AM market itself (rather than simply being a way to get short folks onto bigger hoops at existing travel levels) is because there's just no practical way to get more than 140mm of wheel travel with a 29 inch tire. Especially not in a extra small or even small size frame without ridiculous compromises in setup to fit riders. Hell I'm 6'6" tall. I'd be running a 120mm travel Salsa Horsethief with a flat bar and negative stem rise. Santa Cruz's new carbon Tallboy Carbon frame for example doesn't come in anything smaller than a medium size (which means forget it if you're less than 5'5"), and that's only 135mm of travel too.
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 All the mags have '29ers reviewed' or '26 vs 29'.
Then I come on to Pink Bike and every other post is a 29er being reviewed.
Can't wait for the 650b's to be shoved in my face.

I'll be starting a charity, '26 inch convservation group' anyone interested?
you'll find me at the start of my local trail collecting signatures.
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 That top photo sold it for me - Gorgeous!
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 It's funny how tastes differ. I saw the top photo and called my buddy over from the other side of the office to see the ugliest bike of the year. To each their own I suppose.
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 That is one of the worst looking 29ers I have seen. Want to see something pretty? Try Scott's Genius 29er.
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 The best looking 29er is the diamondback mason fs IMO. Just something about it...
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 That isn't too bad. Something about matte black finishes is just too tempting though..

twentynineinches.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/SCOTT-Genius-900-SL_227722.jpeg
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 to each his own I guess, I think the diamondback is better looking though, and if I was into 29ers it would make great enduro bike gp1.pinkbike.org/p4pb8441362/p4pb8441362.jpg but I ride 650b, let's see a set of those on and enduro rig, khs is already prototyping them for dh...
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 Frame looks like it was in a compressor and sqeezed together
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 sorry guys but 29rs make we wanna throw up...
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 To be fair dude, how many 29ers have you spent time riding out of interest?

Respect your comment if in fact you have spent time on big hoops to validate your comment..
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 You really shouldn't be trying to eat them...
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 A friend of mine has a 29er at my size & it felt like riding a road bike. I will stick with my specilized .
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 Seriously? You should be anorexic by now with all the 29er coverage on pb.
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 Wait until 650b revolution - They say it'll be on all DH rigs after a while..
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 650b revolution?? Don´t think so !
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 What is 650b revolution?
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 When a 650b wheel turns through 360 degrees then you have a 650b revolution Wink
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 *yawn* these 29-ers are soo exciting... yeah right. i respect the work and intrest put in these, ive owned a 29er, but realy not think they are going to catch on, not many places at least, the only reason i think someone needs a big 29-er is that he is very tall and feels confident on it! come on neg props, but this is how i see.
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 They're pretty popular over here in the UK, people seem to be using them for mostly AM duties.. but Peaty rode the Sheffield DH on one and won..! Still don't like them too much.. but I'm a short ass xD
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 29ers are cute
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 it's pretty simple - in the USA sales of 26" bikes are slowing down, sales of 29" bikes are increasing, so they get more coverage. when they stop selling, there will be less coverage. PB is just covering what's popular in the industry. it will probably change again at some point.
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 And the people who can't afford or fit 29ers, or have any they can try will continue to complain about them, and the ones who ride them will rarely post at all because they're too busy riding them and don't want to give up their speed advantages. Just watch though, someone's gonna shove some 650Bs into a DH bike by spring time and start dethroning gwinn at world cups. The tire availability for the bikes/courses will be there by then.
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 I agree with MarcosRift in the fact that 650b will be appearing on all bikes including downhill bikes because of the increased rolling speed and ease of tackling terrain while still maintaining a very maneuverable and playful feel. I am the first to say not to a 29DH bike but I'm all in for 650b.
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 I just wanna know when the videos for "s**t 29er riders say" & "s**t mtbers say about 29ers" are coming out. ah, yes..the 650b video too..
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 Likewise p-romano - I wouldn't say no to a 650b DH or AM bike but I'd have to decline the 29er DH... For XC I'd take a 29er anytime of the day....

The new 2013 Norco range is all 650b - NOTHING ELSE!!! Thats saying something as to where the market is going... And I've even seen an Intense 951 29er prototype....Basically.. This world will change soon and you better keep up!!!

However, I don't ever think 26ers will be gone from the face of the earth because its a lot more maneuverable. 650b will dominate soon though.. We'll all have to buy new forks, frames and (this is the worst part) a shed load of 650b spare tyres!!!!! (I think I will sell some of my 26 spares before no-one wants them anymore......)
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 Nah, no shed loads of spares needed. Maybe right now some folks are hoarding their extras because there is a temporary shortage for dealers, but by next season they'll be plenty enough to go around.
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 I was kidding but I agree with you, next year we;ll have all the top makes/models in 650b size. Cant wait to have yet another thing to look out for when buying tyres and wheels...

Example: Umm this 'Insert brand here' wheelset look good..Questions I will ask the person/dealer/websites: What tyre width can they take? Are they 20mm/142X12 compatible and can you get adaptors easily?, Are they UST? Have they got good reviews? Are spares easily available? and now I'll have to ask if I want 26/650b/29er.....

This is confusing me and my tiny brain
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 I have to laugh at the comment about them not catching on when nearly every racer is using one in XC, and they're growing in popularity in other disciplines as well. I personally don't really see them ever being big in DH and I'll stick with 26" for that at the moment, but let's just say my 26" AM bike is covered with cobwebs. Haven't ridden it since I bought the 29er.

Don't worry guys, more choice is good for us. Means the industry is growing.
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 26 will stick around, but most likely in its ORIGINAL form, the cruiser bike. The only reason it became popular is it was the only wider than 1.5" rim/tire at the time MTBs were being created.
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 Thank you Willie1. Bout time someone said it. Its true, the only reason 26 inch wheels are the standard these days is because the pioneers of mountain biking were riding cruisers down fire roads. We're slowly ditching the 135mm quick release (from our roadie cousins/freaky inlaws) so why shouldn't we move on from 26inch wheels to?
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 I also wanted to see pictures of Filipe. The guy that won the ride giant contest earlier. He probably had the executive suite at the Tyax. Wink
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 Brad, did you guys get to ride/review any of the new Reign's? In the future? Looks like a swanky affair you got to participate in!
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 This was all about Trance X 29. No other bikes were there.
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 29ers will always look funny to me
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 I am waiting for hard enduro 29" like 160 mm

Check this. I really like the idea.

dirt.mpora.com/news/dirt-magazine-26v29-bonus-feature.html
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 Wow, Thats x2 paint looks sick, But I dont know about 29er too, Makes me feel like I am driving a boat down the trails, I will sick with 26" for now
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 Ya know there have been 26er bikes that handled like shit too. Stop thinking the geometry of a particular bike you rode previously is any indication at all for how ALL bikes using that wheel size will ride.
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 i think more importantly..get drunk on your own drink of choice...it's a party with a bar, people. yes, there is a cover.
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 Again, I agree with deeeight. Who here rode a 26inch bike and assumed all would handle the exact same? No one. But they do with 29ers. I rode an ellsworth 29er, it mowed over everything going up, but was sluggish on the downhills. Had I used that to make my basis I'd have never bought my SC, which rides NOTHING like the ellsworth.
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 Five years ago, everyone swore blind that you needed things like 72° head angles to make 29ers steer properly, and now we got things like this giant with a 69° HA and it steers great. Frame geometries evolve.
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 5" travel or 120mm(4.7")
Make up ur mine giant.
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 That's one ugly bike!
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 Woot Woot.. 9er fer Lyfe baby!!
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 That front end looks 90's as f*** for real bro lucky this is a 29'er so it'll still sell to the weiners out there for sure
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 Got me a weinie bike. 9er Lyfe!
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 No fluorescent color?
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 Can't wait to try one...it will float
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 Less spokes on bigger wheels??
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 My thought too. And an XT bike used to be 2 grand, 10 years ago...I see some progress.
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 The number of spokes alone doesn't determine the wheel strength or stiffness.
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 True deeeight... I guess for me I would elaborate on the original comment. Less spokes on bigger wheels made by Giant?!
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 *fewer spokes
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 Easton and others that do complete wheelsets including housebrands for a bike company, like Specialized who owns Roval, or Scott that now owns Syncros, generally run stiffer/stronger rims with fewer spokes per wheel. All spokes are meant to do is hold the rim and hub together in tension. Their thickness and number have little bearing on that as long as the material strength is up to the task. I don't know who designed Giant's rims, but they're likely rolling them in-house, and either having DT make their hubs, or they licensed the freehub mechanism and are making them in-house also.
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 I don't get it. Deep dish super stiff road rims aside, my puny mind cannot wrap itself around how fewer spokes are beneficial. To go lighter just make a lighter iteration of any given rim and 32 (or 36 on a 29 rear for me) spoke holes and then do you not have something stiffer with more of the weight closer to the hub?

Deep dish rims are about aerodynamics and their application proven beneficial in certain raod applications, but the rims are HEAVY. In the mountain world I am not understanding any benefit to fewer spokes.
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 Its the 2x lacing that works on 29ers and 650b. The 2x results in a slightly stiffer wheel laterally than 3x. The larger air volume in the tire, and shallower attack angle decreases the total strength needed in the wheel, as the tire absorbs more on its own. This works better the larger the wheel gets. The giant rims look like Alex SX44s. They are used on a lot of "house" wheels such as the IBIS house wheels.
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 KHS is making a 650B DH bike for 2013, but I don't think anyone will be beating Gwin on it....
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 why does is seem like fox is used more on high end bikes then rockshox. any input?
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 love the red white and black paint!
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 This bike is in the top 1 ugliest bikes i've ever seen... Didn't even take the time to read the article... JEUCH!
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 I like the shape of a bike and a colour...
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 Mine smells real good too.
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 i would ride a 29er, but it could never replace my Glory !
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 Any issues with stiffness? The single sided bracing on the back looks a bit suspect to me.
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 Leave the spandex to the strippers please. We dont want a horror show at the trails.
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 why no fox 34 ?.. and it would be a pain to upgrade to one with the headtube standard..
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 1 1/4? No thank you.
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 your loss, because the standard is going to spread far. Canyon bikes have already adopted it and there are going to be others.
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 No it won't. I never even heard of canyon bikes.
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 They're european. They don't bother with tiny markets like the USA.
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 Please America, NO need for more new standards! Come onnnn
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 Did the exact same thing, side and all,to my teva links
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 all i want to know is: will there still be a 26" trance? giant, please dont kill the trance x!
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 All 27.5 next year.
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 AHHHHHHH SCHOOL!!!!!!!
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 I've got to say I'm not a massive fan of 29ers, but this looks ok..! I'd have one if I wasn't so short -__-
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 Another future "standard"?
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 17.8 inch chainstays???
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 Die Overdrive 2. Die die die.....
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