KHS DH 650 Prototype - Interbike 2013

Sep 19, 2013
by Richard Cunningham  
 
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KHS showed a pre-production prototype of its 2014 DH 650 at Interbike Dirt Demo, and it looked very promising. Logan Bignelli's success at the Red Bull Rampage and his prominent results on the World Cup DH circuit have underscored KHS's efforts to be recognized alongside the big brands as a contender in the gravity game. The Southern California brand has been in the mid-sized wheel game since Kirk Pacenti released the first true mountain bike-specific 650B wheels and tires. It's first downhill racer was the 26-inch wheel DH 300, and team manager Quinton Spaulding admitted candidly that it was good, but not an exceptional competitor. Spaulding says that when KHS added 650B wheels and adjusted the frame geometry, that everything worked better. The 2014 DH 650 is the second version of KHS's mid-size-wheel downhill racers and it is longer, a bit slacker, and its suspension travel has been extended to 9,3 inches. Two builds will be offered: a pro-spec model at $6499 and a slightly more affordable version at $6299.

KHS DH650 2014 Prototype
  KHS is close to production with the new DH 650. The aluminum chassis features a dual-link suspension, one of the longest wheelbases on the World Cup DH circuit and 27.5-inch wheels.


The bigger story is the 'Neutral Link' rear suspension. The dual-link suspension's lower link pivots concentrically with the bottom bracket. The link, which houses the bottom bracket assembly has a knuckle machined into it that forms the lower shock mount. The upper link compresses the shock from the top, while the lower link participates by compressing the shock from the bottom. We surmise that the two actions are tuned to control the suspension's leverage rate as the wheel moves through its travel. The concept of compressing the damper from either end is shared by a handful of DH designs - Trek and Commencal come to mind. The damper is a Fox DHX with a Ti. spring - a pro-only perk that should change to a steel spring by final production. Up front, Spaulding says that KHS will probably stick with the Manitou Dorado fork, in spite of the fact that both Fox and RockShox have 650B DH forks coming down the pipe for 2104 model bikes. He insists that the inverted fork is a better performer.

KHS DH650 2014 Prototype
  (Clockwise) KHS chose the race-proven Fox DHX shock for its nine-inch-travel rear suspension. Note how the bottom bracket revolves inside of the lower link pivot. The pivot rocks on large bearings clamped by the twin-spar frame members. The chainstay bridge is squished to provide frame clearance at full suspension compression. A look between the the twin-spar frame members reveals the articulating lower shock mount.


When asked about KHS's long-time commitment to 650B. Spaulding says that the DH Team had problems initially finding tires that were race worthy and resorted to using one-off tires produced by Vee Rubber until its official sponsor could deliver a race worthy design in the mid-diameter format. This season, however, Maxxis is KHS' tire sponsor, so with the world's most popular DH tread profiles available in 650B, that issue was put to bed. With no further technical impediments to 650B downhill bikes, the new KHS DH 650 should be a promising step forward in the evolution of the species.

KHS DH650 2014 Prototype
  (Clockwise) Final spec has not yet been decided, but KHS plans to stick with the inverted-style Manitou Dorado fork. A look down the DH 650's top tube reveals its hydroformed construction. Beefy through-axle rear dropouts and a sturdy derailleur hanger are lessons learned on the pro DH circuit. Stan's tubeless ZTR Flow EX rims and Maxxis High Roller tires are a welcome sight for 650B fans.


While the DH 650's frame numbers may change as final testing draws to a close, presently the team settled on a 63.5-degree head angle, 17.5-inch chainstays, a 14-inch bottom bracket height, and a long-ish, 49.5-inch wheelbase. The DH 650's axles are in line with the center of the bottom bracket (zero bottom bracket drop), which is no possible with 26-inch wheels. The effect is more stable cornering, better suspension performance over square-edged bumps and better roll-over across chatter sections. The sum of the DH 650's numbers indicates that it is a dedicated race platform than it will be a playful park bike. It's long wheelbase, roomy cockpit and slack steering geometry are designed keep the bike glued to the ground at speed, over terrain that would intimidate all but the most accomplished bikehandlers. The Devinci Wilson has similar numbers and handling traits. Of course, that is all speculation, but we will keep tabs on KHS' 2014 DH 650 as it reaches final production and prepare a ride-report when it comes on line.

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151 Comments

  • + 55
 Hopefully in a couple of years this whole 650b/275/27.5" thing will blow over, then we'll all be getting calls similar to the PPI claims. "were you miss sold a 275 bike, when you didnt really need it? call 555-GIVEMEBACK26 today to make your claim" Wink
  • + 28
 your soooo wrong buds
  • + 62
 Not to discredit your argument, Jaydmf, but have you actually been able to ride a 650b/27.5" bike yet? I am a serious 26" lover, but after 8 hours on the Trek Remedy, Trek Slash, and Giant Trance (all in 650b), 650b definitely has it pro's over a 26" in certain areas without the huge disadvantaged of a 29er wheel in others. Sad to say, but 650b isn't going anywhere except for up. Neg prop me but that wont change any facts. 650b is here to stay.
  • + 43
 don't think anyone is saying 650b is no good, just that the sudden unilateral adoption of it by nearly all manufacturers for 2014 is something of a forced extinction for 26" wheels rather than a choice by riders.
  • + 24
 I just had a Bronson for a week. Carbon everything with enve rims. Could not wait to give it back to the guy that is getting rid of it to go back to 26".

It's nice for some, and they are here to stay. But not everyone who spends legitimate time on one likes them. I know a few guys who own them that are not very stoked at all. In fact, I know more owners of 650b who are unhappy than owners that are happy. If you can't convince some people who own them, how are you going to convince the guys who want nothing to do with them in the first place?

I was very concerned about 26 dying until I spent some time on a 650. Now I know they are different enough that there's always going to be a fair size group of riders who will be '26 for life'. Not because they are stubborn, but because they have legitimate reasons for preferring one over the other. Just like some will prefer 29 over 650. I cannot imagine ever buying one myself, and I'm far from alone. At least in this part of the world.
  • + 20
 I think every wheel will find its advantages and disadvantages. Lots of companies are ditching 26 "for good" but there was the same controversy when 29 came out. so my point is there will always be a 26" option, it will be gone for a while, but one company will realize that theres still a market for it, Tire companies will never stop making 26" tires because right now there are more 26" bikes in the world than any other wheel size. So it'll go away for a while, but there will be one company that will bring it back to cater to the customer. I will always ride a 26" because of my riding style. But if I get into xc, or even dating men, then i'll get a 29er or 27.5
  • + 6
 Your modern day plow machine, big wheels, nine inches of travel, super slack head angle. I'm so down to try one of these!
  • + 13
 " Slightly more affordable " lol
  • + 4
 Iron Horse ?
  • + 4
 B45her hit the nail on the head.
  • + 6
 I can agree that the sudden adoption is dumb on many accounts, but, KHS has been testing this bike for years, they didn't pull a Giant and just slap 650b wheels on everything in their lineup...
  • + 4
 Amazing how the same argument is being made for 650b as 29 2 years back.
A little like 142mm, 15mm etc.
Once you have saturated a market, tell the punter they must have something else.
Shame i fell for 10speed, fitted a 9 speed xtr, saint setup to my 2nd dh bike, the shifting is so much smoother and easier than 10 speed xtr,xtr or xtr,saint clutch.

For gravity events 26 is still the fastest according to results. If 650b is the best as we are told, gee and stevie will be kn it this weekend....
Lets let the ultimate marketing speak for itself... what happened to stevie at worlds, mitch at worlds, minnaar for a dh bike, graves for a small bike. End of argument.
Racing dh is a results based industry and the results currently suggest 26 is fastest. (So is coil out back, air up front).
  • - 9
 the 1st picture lookos all wrong to me - not a great way to influence people. wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong
  • + 1
 Most manufacturers will tell you the exact opposite, it's the riders who have demanded 650b. So...who knows?!
  • + 1
 2 models with only a $200 difference. Why KHS, why?
  • + 2
 I am yet still to ride a 650b bike Im interested in that you rode 650b on AM type bikes as I would probably buy 650b for an AM bike but its yet to take off on the DH scene it's not podiumed at a WC yet and cositantly proven to be a winner over 26" so I think your right its here to stay but in what discipline is it best suited is going to be the big debate
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  • + 31
 Its getting to the point where there are so many "experts" on pink bike that I'm amazed the World Cup circuit isn't bulging with top class riders all riding for team dick head because so many people seem to know the perfect remedy for success.
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  • + 27
 For only a $200 difference why bother even having two specs? Seems useless. If you re going to make a "pro" model and a "bargain" version, the savings should be a lot more significant than 200 bucks. Hopefully the budget spec price currently listed is a typo
  • - 18
 Is it just me or someone has moved not more than an inch (in diameter) since 2005 when Iron Horse introduced Sunday? Holy daemmm... innovation got a new meaning to me after seeing and reading that
  • + 7
 Ok Waki....now we understan. Take a nap...this is not personal its just healthy...you know..fresh air...refreshing nap...then innovation Will have a LOT more than the Sunday....
  • + 2
 I'm with qbert in that I really hope the budget model is a lot more than $200 cheaper. When you're already paying $6300 for a bicycle I don't see $200 as much of a deal and furthermore $6300 can buy quite a lot of bike. That's just my 2 cents
  • + 4
 Maybe they missed the extra 0? 4300 seems reasonable to me with a basic kit and the pro kit costing 2k more?
  • + 3
 Probably not a typo... They stated slightly lower and if you're riding 650B you are stuck with that Extremely expensive front end...
  • + 1
 Why bother if only $200 difference. Save yourself the hassle just have the one model. And offer a frame kit instead.
  • + 3
 looks like REDALP has some competition...
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  • + 15
 i like how $200 less for a $6000 dollar product makes it more "affordable"
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  • + 11
 I would rather have the 951 EVO. just my opinion.
  • + 2
 Amen to that.
  • - 1
 tots bro this pivot system is bascilly a modifeied maetstro "giant" and they feel suoer poppy in the wrong spots . and i have a socom which is very similiar to a 951 evo
  • + 3
 I had an Intense and have to say that I was not impressed. Losing shoulder bolts which cost 30 Euros all the time, cracking links, unstiff rear end... I once rode a radon (same astro 26" frame) and it was not bad at all.
  • - 7
 no youre wrong
  • + 4
 he's not, intense bikes are pretty and fashionable all that but they are far from well made.
  • + 4
 Nice to see we have a bunch of experts on intense.
  • + 1
 It's well known that intense had issues with alignment and flex issues due to the misaligned frames in the past. This was apparently due to outsourced heat treatment by a company who, as far as I'm aware, didn't have much to do with bikes. Intense now heat treat in house to a higher standard. Or so I've read...
  • + 3
 And that comes from owning one? My 951 was the best dh bike I ever had
  • + 2
 m.pinkbike.com/news/To-the-Point-Heat-Treating-Aluminum-Frames.html

No, that comes from the guy behind intense. I'm not saying all there frames have issues but it's a fact that they had problems.
  • + 1
 I've known 3 intense owners and they all had major problems with their bikes. Not quite a big sample but it always makes me raise an eyebrow when I read someone claiming they're soooooo good.
  • + 1
 They ride soooo good tbh, I never had a problem. Saying that I purposely had a non g3 drop out frame. Got to say though from the many bikes I've had, the 951 always seemed to be the most balanced
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  • + 7
 We took an iron horse Sunday added some commencal with a pinch of kona mixed in some big wheels covered it in decent components and some good suspension baked for 30 minutes and ended up with a bike that if it had trek or any other name on would have pink bikers messing up there pants but instead we are KHS and we are back
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  • + 7
 Well, glad to see they're looking out for the more cash-strapped folks with their budget build pricing...

"Two builds will be offered: a pro-spec model at $6499 and a slightly more affordable version at $6299."
  • + 1
 That did make me laugh out loud. They really took the meaning of "slightly" to heart when they sat down and discussed their pricing. Which makes no sense in marketing terms...
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 Two things I disagree with in this article. 1) The Trek that you compared the KHS to. While the shock is actuated from both ends, the lower mount moves away from the upper mount, as opposed to the KHS where the ends are moving towards each other. 2) At the end of the article you randomly tossed in that the Devinci Wilson has similar geometry and handling traits. Huh? Except that the Devinci is a 26", has an inch less travel, its chainstay is .5" shorter, and the wheelbase is easily a few inches shorter. How is that similar? The Devinci is pretty nimble for a DH bike, the KHS is a straight-line monster truck. I sometimes wonder if anyone is proofreading these pieces. I love that you guys exist and provide content, but as a shop owner/bike nerd I'd appreciate a bit more thought/effort. Cheers.
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  • + 3
 As i recall this bike has been winning pretty much everything in america for the last 2 years, for anyone that has ACTUALLY RIDDEN one, you know what a phenomenal product KHS is putting out, its not perfect but its better than half the shit other companies are putting out that everyone boners out over.
  • + 1
 Khs dh300 and the new 650 are the shittttttt And I own a nukeproof but should of got a new dh300
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  • + 3
 Maybe 26" wheels will disappear for 10yrs.. then one day TADAHHHHH new stronger faster accelerating/better cornering wheel standard 26" !!! - give us money!

I don't think 650b really makes enough of a difference with 26" still hitting the podium.
I'd say it would be more down to rider preference and what they feel they can ride better on.

But I think rider performance is more an aspect than the wheel size they are on. (At least in regards to 26 vs 650b for DH)
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  • + 6
 Pinkbike is coming back from the future again and telling us of new suspension from 2104.
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  • + 3
 Nice "Astro" design! Thus, nice bike! Am i the only one who dislikes to be betrayed considering..."our own design and developement...blabla"?! I think a straightforward message of: "This year we are selling Astro designed bikes with nice parts at a fair price?!" Its like all these decal/branding companies try to sell an idea "developed and produced by US" which is highly questionable and sometimes just a lie! Wasnt brand commitment about trust, good perceived image etc.?

Well still dont get these marketing strategies!

www.astroeng.com.tw


Ps: let the hate begin Smile
  • + 0
 Get your stoke on - Life's too short to be hatin', like everything you come upon! Repeat after me: my life is perfect, my life is perfect. Go to the middle of the traffic junction and repeat after me: no car will hit me, no car will hit me. When Police takes you, repeat: I won't get fined I won't get fined. If they lock you up for 48 hours, look at that tattoed guy in the cell approaching you that and repeat: it's just a vanilla ice cream, it's just a vanilla ice cream.
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  • + 5
 Who would buy the lower end build? There's only a $200 dollar difference between builds
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  • + 1
 "How are we going to convince people to buy more 6000$ bikes.." said 4 guys in a shed in California where they "designed" a frame and had made in Taiwan with components from 1 of the 3 people who make bike parts. Lets change the wheel size!!! Hard to get people to fork out the big cash, and I mean BIG cash on new bikes without something they can really see looks different. I bet this with the same rider on a 6 year old DH bike would run the same time, a bike that costs 1200$ used in Superb condition, I'm not buying this super priced bike 650b cash grab business.
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  • + 3
 Oh nope, its got one wheel at the front and one at the back. DEFINITELY seen that before, such a rip off! Jeeeeze, so much butt hurt in here
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  • + 1
 Well, there's nothing pretty about it. Hard to say how the linkage works without riding it... so I'll volunteer. Dear KHS: Please let me test your bike. I require a size large, a triple play pass for Whistler, and about a dozen spare tubes.
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  • + 1
 "We at KHS believe in sticking our logo on ready projects from sweatshops in Asia and pretend it is we who design and test them. We often set ourselves quite low standards but in the era of carbonization we realized we failed to live up to them. We actualy realized that to some people our bikes look like it's still 1998. Therefore we lower the bar even more and reach for desperate means like putting fab wheels on a downhill bike in hope to stand out if only for a moment. Installing an USD fork is yet another mere attempt at further increasing our popularity"
  • + 12
 but you gotta admit that switching to 650b did really improve their results..... oh wait
  • + 36
 astro is far from a sweatshop in asia, i agree that khs just adds sticker to a pre-engineered frame though.
i wish there was a design like this in 98, khs would have ruled pro dh racing for a decade instead of the shitty dominatrix that ripped off the derailer with chain growth.
pros like tomac and lopes would have been painting up these instead of the original intense M1 frames.
not my first choice , but they work well and seem to be getting them on the podiums in the states, logan at this point would have the choice to move to another team if he was not liking the bikes.
no i am not a fan of KHS, but i also dont make up hate and bs about a company that works hard to come up with well priced products.for the non-doctor/rich person that has to go to work and watch how they spend there pay checks.
  • + 2
 welcome to the market place.
  • - 38
 My comment i like O.Testament - one moron wrote it, then the bigger moron believes in it literally and the third the biggest moron wastes time proving both to be wrong. I have zero hate level towards KHS... I just find them funny, them getting 650B wheels is like Chrysler buying Daewoo ahahah
  • + 20
 Too bad Bignelli is a total asshole.
  • + 8
 @derpdownthehill: Any stories to share?
  • - 2
 I love KHS, and how they ROLL.... yes pun intended..... half of you talking shit prob don't race, and can't hardly ride the bike you have. So your opinion isn't shit anyway. If everybody allways talked shit about you, you might come off as an asshole, too. But given the chance to live life with passion the guys at KHS do, you'd take it. Where i come from we say prove it, and thats exactlly what they have done over the past few years. Take a better look at the results, over the past few years, and who was in the crowed they beat.
  • + 3
 I actually like the look of the Astro frame quite a bit more. That raw isn't jazzing at all.

www.astroeng.com.tw/products_info.php?kind=1&series=6&id=38
  • + 4
 There are no sweat shops in Taiwan...
  • + 1
 Built in Vietnam. Own by Taiwanese.
  • + 1
 I liked my XCT, until I completely destroyed the rear triangle, imo KHS is not too bad, but I will be looking elsewhere for next my trail frame. Or I might stick with my Trans AM, depends on what riding is like in western ny.
  • + 2
 Vietnam??? I call shenanigans...
  • + 6
 I cancel my initial accusations... I have received confirmation that there are NO shenanigans going on here.
  • + 3
 Vietnam = Shit load of sweat shops...
  • + 6
 @derpdownthehill- Do you personally know Logan? I do and he's a competitor, which sometimes comes across negative, however I've found him to be a pleasant person.
  • - 1
 @Waki: Pretty much summed it up ;-)

Astro is a sweatshop in Tw and Vietnam with a subscription of MBA as their chief research tool. Otherwise design clues of Intense, Commencal, Foes, Knolly. What a hotchpotch of design insecurity. The Astro design team is happly sketching away with no aim and no expertise - pretty petty.

@bikersl:Shopsize and floorcleanliness is not an issue, once a sweatshop always a sweatshop.


Zeroddrop BB means s...t as soon as you put your weight a.. on the bike. Just looks stupidly steep HA when standing still.

6.3k - and I know the factory pricing of the previous Astro dh-frame for a small batch - is ludicrous.
  • + 2
 giev it 5 years and everything bar downhill & maybe freeride too will be completely 650b! id like to think they're all stay 650b but things are changing!
  • + 3
 Yeah as opposed to say Specialized made in taiwanese and chinese sweatshops then? There's very few "poster" children in the bike world who do everything up to some mythically high standard of social, economic and environmental pleasantries in the design, research, manufacturing and marketing of their products. And those that do (Chris King for example), you pay thru your nostrils for in the price tag.
  • + 5
 @deeight: Like to live in your own crap then? Making quality things in your neighbourhood translates into paying decent wages to locals which you can tax to pay for better infrastructure which in the end means great single tracks. No myth - reality in Sweden, Switzerland, Austria.

KHS is obviously more along your lines and you are ready and eager to shell out lots of cash for a mediocre product that has a gigantic markup and will make a fat cat even fatter because his earnings are moved offshore and wont be taxed like your income which will not be enough to cover the cost of a single foot of single track in the crappy community that you live which is now derelict because of all the cash flowing out of the communitiy. KHS - incorporated in L.A would have built many miles of Singletrack or added to the sport with great bikes at meaningful prices - which they did not. So yes, KHS is an epic fail on many levels and wasted opportunities.
  • + 3
 @derpdownthehill - Wasea04 and I know Logan personally. He is competitive and to people that don't know him, might seem douchey, but when it comes down to one's character, he's a great guy who will go out of his way to help people. He's a great competitor and great friend to have.
  • + 1
 OWNED lol.
  • + 0
 Deeeight - but Specialized looks real good to more people than KHS does. They also do much more design work. Then their bikes are welded by robots at Merida
  • + 1
 @kerberos: From personal experience, he doesn't talk to anybody, i've tried to talk to him, he just grunts and walks away. He has a pretty shitty vibe.
  • + 1
 Probably not as big an asshole as Lopes.
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 "The DH 650's axles are in line with the center of the bottom bracket (zero bottom bracket drop), which is no possible with 26-inch wheels."

Yes it's possible. But what's he point? Avoid OTB while hitting a 30 cm high rock??? You're obviously anyway on the wrong line so what the f*ck?
  • + 1
 Current version of the Titus El Guapo is zero BB drop, actually. Don't feel like it's too high at 13.25, either.
  • + 3
 In their defense, with 9.3 inches of rear travel it should have close to an inch more sag than an 8" travel bike, lowering the effective BB height...
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 If the axles are in line with BB like its shown in the picture, then what happens when you ride the bike with sag set at 25-30%?

It seems that this would make the bike ride very tall?
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  • + 1
 That bike looks real cool, why? Because its a 27.5 Ironhorse Sunday, it sure looks good though. Wheel size- unless you race top level just ride what gives you the most fun and satisfaction.
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  • + 1
 If a bike does not look appealing, then don't buy it. It's as simple as that. There's no need to bash a bike company (and all its employees) who are just trying to earn a decent living.
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  • + 2
 Maybe one company could step up and build a proper XL DH bike with 650b wheels (by proper I mean stack around 650mm, reach around 465mm). KHS this could be your big day!
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  • + 1
 Usually favorable comments are the only ones allowed on pinkbike, i'm surprised to see so much hate. Actually KHS was a bike I looked forward to
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  • + 1
 I wander if the decathalon bike we can buy here for 2 grand and is the same frame as the last khs will be coming with 650b wheels next year?
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  • + 2
 My guess is everyone of you people could use actual riding practice.....go ride your bikes...
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  • + 3
 Hasn't this bike been a prototype for the past 2 years?
  • + 1
 I don't get this article. This bike is already in their 2014 catalog and thus in production. Why are they doing the same write up like it was from Sea Otter last spring?
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  • + 3
 Loving the KB88 sticker on the toptube. RIP Kyle Bennett
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  • + 1
 Rode the Pivot Firebird 27.5 at Interbike...I too, was an avid 26" guy...it changed my mind...fun time on the 27.5's at bootleg canyon....
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 Whats up with the two component levels? Why even offer an option if it's only a $200 price difference?
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 What, no middle fingers! But seriously I would sport that rig.
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 Do want! Long wheelbase, long travel, 650B wheels. When the time comes to replace my M9, I won't even consider 26" wheels.
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  • + 2
 i like the design, but the pricing strategy is kinda weird.
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 9,3" of travel? It's overkill In my opinion.
  • + 0
 Shut Up! One can never have too much travel! This bike is horrible though.
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  • + 1
 yawn, wasn't this the same prototype he rode at the last Rampage? Who cares...
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 You guys, rs and fox have listened! The 650b forks have been delayed until 2104!
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 Ok locas i am testing it and it rocks i will sell in my shop pronto _____0^0_____
  • + 1
 I 'll be saving for it! You got my info! Smile
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 Go home khs your drunk
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 looks like a trek session
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 just like ctm,but has larger wheels Razz
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 I saw this bike today and they've put two crowns on top. Any ideas why?
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 Come on, RC! 9,3 inches of travel? You mean 9.3! We are 'Mericans!
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 The expensive one is only 200 dollars more expensive??? that a joke
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 Agreed when you're dropping almost 7k after taxes and suck is $ 200 that big of a deal?
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 It looks very much alike 2011 Polygon DH.
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 Didn't that have a 650B DH last year as well?
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 Prominent results in WC? Did I miss something? You mean like 30th place, or even failing to qualy? KHS should be selling their bikes in K-mart and Target.
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 I didn't check Logan's results, but come on, 30th place in the World Cup is actually world class fast! While the top shots on the podium gain the most interest for obvious reasons, there are dozends of riders in the circuit that work their ass off and are way faster than nearly the rest of the world.
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 There have been top 10 results, just not consistently. 3rd at Rampage, Winning the US DH championships. Plenty of cred. When is the last time an Intense was in the top 10 WC? How about a Knolly, or Banshee?
  • + 0
 Intense has the Karver under their wings, they need no results as long as videos with him pop up here and there from time to time.
  • + 1
 Why are we evaluating bikes based on WC results. Those results are 95% rider based, if not more. Notice how for the most part the top pros shift teams all the time, yet the results stay relatively consistent? Plus, why would you expect brands like Intense, Knolly, or Banshee to have great WC results? These companies don't currently sponsor any high level riders do they?
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 It doesn't make any sense at all. Unless a design is a dog, most modern bikes are basically equal performers.
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 When can all this 650 bullshit be over with?!?!? The marketing guys have got all of you by the balls!
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 ghost, kona, sunday, terk bla bla bla la misma mierda que poco creativos!
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 So many bikes still resemble the good ol ih sunday!
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 that top tube doesnt look hydroformed, its a monocoque
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 It looks like a kona stinkie crossed with a trek session
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 Screw this xc and 650b shit i only ride park.
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 polygon COLLOSUS 2012???
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 just wait till giant comes with their 36"
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 Will never make a WC podium !
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 Like gwin on the demo ? Lmao
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 At least Gwin has a championship to show for and better chances to podium than the clown on the big wheels.
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 Lol he couldn't find a podium this season and had to change a almost perfect bike gwin is the clown lol oh he did win sea otter on a 29er so there you go

Do you preferr to be called goon boy or Joey ? Haha

Anyone who hasn't rode it really shouldn't say anything Especially if you have a old pos bike Wink
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 I saw the clown bike today at Interbike with the khs people and they told me the frame its not quite ready cause the rear end extends too much when compressed making the bike slow to turn.
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 Well I want a clown bike hope they are ready soon I'm jealous your at inter bike and I'm not !
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 You don't want that thing.
I just posted pic. of Steve Smith's Devinci on Instagram . user name:
enricodesoto
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 Ya Stevie's bike is retarded sick I just had the dh300 and literally one of the best bikes I've ever riddin. But different strokes for different folks !!
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