Videos: Leatt Talks About Neck Braces

Mar 6, 2013 at 0:06
Mar 6, 2013
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Leatt: Straight Talk About Neck Braces - Episode 2




Part 1 came out in 2012

Straight Talk About Neck Braces - Episode 1 - Leatt


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142 Comments

  • + 73
 I understand that product liability costs money, etc... but make them affordable!
  • + 79
 how much is you neck worth ? I would personally pay any amount of money to keep my neck in one peace
  • - 19
 It still didn't answer my question, what about the impact on the brain itself. Will the brace reduce the impact on the brain or increase it? With the brace on, the head will travel less distance during the impact, protecting the NECK, but what about the BRAIN?
  • + 22
 I crashed HARD with my Leatt and my neck and brain were fine. I crashed without it and I had a brain bleed for 24 hours. The crash with the Leatt was much much harder also. Thats my experience, maybe not everyones. Here's a video with me wearing my brace www.pinkbike.com/video/265041
  • + 3
 @abzillah I think oyu may want to watch the video a bit more carefully. In part 2 at 4:50
  • + 19
 Affordable is relative. You can go on and on about how expensive they are while riding around on a $5000 bike. Gimme a break!
  • + 1
 @abzillah a part of the force from the impact will be transferred trow the brace and in to the rest of your body ..trust me this thing work it tested it really hard!!
  • + 14
 When it comes to safety there shouldn't be a debate on whether or not it's required because of price. You either fork up for some good protection, or you skimp and risk it later. You hurt yourself on the hill and those medical bills will make a measly Neckbrace look like chump change. Even more so if you really mess yourself up.
And I seriously doubt affordability should be an issue at this point when we all ride Multi thousand dollar bikes plus kit. I've seen older model leatts run for around 200 CAD. They're out there.
It's your neck. Leatts really work and they've saved my arse more than once. I don't ride DH without it. It's literally my "second helmet."
Personally I value my safety over paper money when it comes down to my favorite hobby.
  • + 2
 I used to think the same thing then it dawned on me how much i spend on my bike and then my cost argument was irrelevant. You may think it will never happen to you but my friend broke his neck right after we came home from whistler. Thankfully hes not paralyzed.
  • + 3
 @abzillah dude,, buy a decent helmet if yur so worried about the brain..
  • + 2
 seriously, a neck brace is a worthwhile investment. a broken collarbone or wallet are nothing compared to what could happen without....
  • + 2
 I just handed my older model leatt off to a newcomer for just 100, mooch the right people and there are deals to be had!
  • + 3
 @omidtehhun I have crashed in my Leatt several times and not once felt it in my collarbone. I think that is just an urban myth. Of everyone I know that has crashed in one neckbrace or another, no one has broken their clavicle.

Everybody should just pony up and buy one. If you are riding stuff that is dangerous enough to need a full face then you should probably be wearing a neck brace also.
  • + 0
 A neck brace like the Leatt is the best investment you can ever buy in protection next to a good quality helmet,they are expensive yes but still far less what some medical bills from the hospital cost.A neck brace is like a small health insurance it keeps you away from the expensive medical bills & in some worst case scenarios death or being paralyzed for life in a wheelchair.

1 thing is for sure Leatt changed the mtb world in protection for ever,it's one of the most importend pieces of protection you can ever buy these days,no matter what the price tag is it's worth every penny.
  • + 15
 There is nothing wrong with saying they should be more affordable. Anyone arguing against a price reduction is just supporting overly inflated prices set by greedy companies. when you look at the construction of these products there is no reason why they can't make them cheaper. Yeah bikes are expensive but most people save up their cash for quite awhile to afford one. All protective gear should be affordable for everyone. It's just like bike components, the manufacturing costs are very similar between brands and models. You are paying for the name not the cost of manufacturing. Let's put bright stickers on it and plaster our name over it and charge 200% more and get free advertising..
  • + 3
 I had a big crash late last year, came down head first, hard and fast. The Leatt brace pressed into my chest and broke my collarbone immediately. I am so sure that without the brace I would have received serious damage to my neck or spine. So what is 6 weeks recovery compared to a lifetime of back and neck pain or being told you may never ride again? Cheers to Leatt for making the most important piece of protection since the helmet!
  • + 4
 I watched my wife fall head first from about 10' last year. She landed directly on top of her head hard enough to crack her helmet. I am totally convinced that if she was not wearing a neck brace she would be paralyzed or worse. She suffered a bruised shoulder and a hematoma on her side but she was back riding in a couple of weeks.. I will never ride DH without a brace again.
  • + 8
 You may have also come off with no injuries. Necks are quite flexible. You broke your collar bone because the brace stopped your head rotating forward. Stretching backwards and to the side is more dangerous because your neck flexes less in those directions. I'm still not convinced about neck braces. Its a 50/50 thing. Some crashes may benefit from wearing one and other crashes will cause injury by wearing one. I was a gymnast when I was younger and have had some pretty drastic head first landings. Learning how to roll and tumble and proper stretching before riding is probably more beneficial. But hey, each to their own. If you believe they will benefit your safety then by all means spend the money and buy one. I'd really like to see some proper independent research done on neck braces. Because as someone else has mentioned, of course the company selling them is going to promote their product and claim to have tested them fully. However, without independent testing by a company with absolutely no affiliation with the manufacturer, the research is flawed.
  • + 1
 Most people (including myself) are running off of personal and external experiences when recommending a brace. I'd like to see some outside research as well because I have a feeling the results will be more or less the same. The worst injury I've seen from a Leatt was a guy breaking his collarbone. But of course, the way he landed he was incredibly lucky to walk away with just that.
I'm not suggesting one to people that ride rather relaxed or casual, but to those that ride at intermediate or advanced levels.
At those speeds it can really save your bacon.... and for price, you can't say it's the only object when there's a couple alternatives out there and older models to pick from that do the job just as well. It all comes down to either Fashion sense or Wallet size. Both aren't the best excuses for safety but different strokes for different folks.
  • + 2
 When I look at how they work I see a leverage point that doesn't exist without one. The helmet stops against the front,back or sides and the brace then becomes a lever to try and snap the neck. Without one the neck is able to fully flex and absorb.

@beerGuzlinFool.. In your wife's crash yes, it was probably beneficial because it reduced the amount of compression to the neck by reducing the distance.

I'd like to see the statistics that show the percentage of broken necks without a brace compared to wearing a brace and the type of accident that caused the injury.

Until I see some legit statistics of actual accidents I'm not convinced. I'm still thinking that an impact that is hard enough to break the neck will happen with or without the brace. It's just another one of those individual choices people have to make. If you think they will save you then, by all means use one.
  • + 1
 Good points.
You have to remember though, these braces were (still might be) sponsored/endorsed by both KTM and BMW.
They wanted something that would stop their Pro drivers from being killed in car crashes. Now all their riders race with a rebranded orange version of the Leatt. If that says anything at all. I wouldn't be too worried about them B.Sing their product.
www.racerxvt.com/article/dr.-bodnar-examines-trey-canards-leatt-brace
I use Racer X quite often, they have some pretty good insight into these things. It's hard to say whether it works, but I'm leaning on Yes.
  • + 1
 to anyone complaining about the price - $250 is pretty reasonable considering you could be paralyzed in a crash, but even more so because a solid knee brace, that you get after ACL surgery to ski, etc, is most often in the $2000 range...and insurance isn't always paying either.
  • + 1
 I understand the "how much your neck worth" idea but isn't this justified that people with money can have their neck protected whilst the not so loaded ones can't. Maybe a no frill type of neck brace ?
  • + 0
 Everyone understands that surgery, lifelong injuries, medical braces etc are expensive however, that doesn't mean that people aren't getting ripped off by companies that can sell products cheaper. But if everyone just keeps forking out their dough without complaining then companies will continue to rip the consumer off..
Let's say for example a suspension company makes the only mtb fork. That company can charge whatever they like because they know people want their product. It doesn't mean the product is worth the money it just means the company knows they can! It's no different to people bitching about getting paid bugger all for their work but never doing anything about it. If everyone bands together and demands then you get better pay and conditions. If everyone uses the excuse "oh I might lose my job" then you will continue to be paid bugger all for your hard work.
The same is for safety equipment. If everyone just accepts the scam and pays the high price then companies will continue to rip off the consumer. Helmets range from maybe $50-$1000 or more.. They cover all ends of the market, those that want to spend the money and have company logo's and the "look at my helmet" image written all over their helmet and those that just want a product that works but don't care about image or impressing others. Same goes with neck braces. They can make some that are basic and less wow factor for those that want safety but don't care about image and then make bling bling ones for the people with more money than sense..
But yeah, maybe in this day and age $250 isn't really that much and wouldn't take that long to save up for but, the evidence still isn't proven that they are actually worth forking over the $$ and I can smell my dinner burning so catch ya on the rebound.. haha..
  • + 1
 These were just on chainlove for 89.00 and you can't get a better deal than that. This brand too not some cheap sh!t either.
  • + 5
 Still cheaper then a wheel chair!
  • + 1
 @Gooldylocks I'm pretty sure it just happens if you don't fit your leatt 100%
  • + 1
 I would expect that because the brace slows down the force, it is also slowing down the momentum so the brain will travel less distance and will have less momentum put through it, of course I am just assuming here that it will reduce momentum and Therefore reduce its ability to increase acceleration. I'd having a brace that has some give in it or padding would probably aid in slowing down gradually rather than a big sudden stop from not having a brace......this is just my personal view I reall have no idea if t is right its just a theory I have in regards to the question. It would be interesting to ear from leatt on this though. They do mention force though not directly brain force.
  • + 1
 @mrrustic you can't compare real world crashes every crash has different variables so it's impossible to compare a rave vs no brace. The only way to establish a brace vs no brace outcome is with controlled tests where the variables don't change. To isolate the braces effectiveness. Let's assume you could reproduce real world crashes and control all the variables that would mean using real riders, one which is going to have a brace and the other that you are subjecting to life changing/deadly crashes it's not possible. Hence enter all the tech leatt use.
  • + 4
 my teachers brother was in a serious crash on his bike last year, making him a paraplegic. he was wearing a high end leatt, and a tld helmet. they both were shattered on impact. when he came too, in the hospital the doctor (specializing in these sorts of sports injuries) told him, with out his leatt he would have either been dead, or a quadriplegic. upon xraying his body they realized the leatt did absolutely everything it could, but like they said in the above videos it is still not unstoppable. his spine and spinal cord were severed at the first vertebrata directly below where the thoracic strut ends clearly demonstrating these things are worth the mitt full they cost. he was told that he will never walk again, but hey its allot better than taking your last breath. is your life really only vauled less than $500 to you?
  • + 0
 atlas fo lyf3
  • + 5
 A Leatt brace was and is the only reason my mother allows me to do this sport.
  • + 1
 to summarize: yes they work, and if they don't there's no reason not to get one (if you have the money), but the price is still too high, it's like looking at a set of oakleys for 400$ and wondering where the hell the price came from, well same thing for leatt braces, I like my leatt but it costs a ridiculous amount for a piece of plastic with a little bit of carbon fiber, but the part that pisses me off is how the more you pay, the more adjustability you get, its like "hey can only afford the dbx ride? well f*ck you we don't care you can't see on steeps!" seriously leatt at least give full adjustability in the bottom end model, if someone wants to pay an arm, leg, and their 2nd kidney for a carbon one thats fine but the bottom end models need to be better
  • + 1
 Sunglasses (a lifstyle accesory) and a leatt (lifesaver) are not AT ALL comparable... seriously... if all models were 700 bucks i'd still buy one... my leatt have saved my neck more than once... commenting about the price of a technical product such as this seems ignorant... it's the sol reason that so many riders (DH, 4X, even moto) are still alive to this day. it's an undisputable topic, a neck brace is pretty muc a necessary piece of equipment if you ride more technical high risk trails. Imo, it should be mandatory for racing... would reduce risk of injury on a drastic level..
  • + 1
 Well they're both overpriced, it's bullshit you have to pay in for adjustability on a safety device, if you want to pay extra for a lighter one that's fine but everybody needs the back table/bumper thing slammed all the way back, idk anyone who doesn't run it this way, they're necessary and should be far cheaper
  • + 1
 @abzillah whoose brain are you worried about? (according, you're asking like this)
  • + 1
 no you dont, my first neck brace was just the entry level one with no adjustability and i had it for 2 seasons... theres no point whining about adjustability, just deal with it and ride... honestly, yes they could make it adjustable but its not a thing to be complaining about...
  • + 1
 ^^ the reason why companies make money ahead of customer satisfaction.. Just deal with it.. Lol.. Things change because people voice their opinions. Telling people to "stop whining and deal with it" just keeps crap over priced products on our shelves. Do you work for Leatte?.. Lol
  • + 1
 still on chainlove and I bought one, 97.00 shipped. You will never find a better deal new for this quality.
  • + 1
 Nope, i don't i'm 17 lol, i'm just trying to give another prospective on it, just explaining how it's not so bad to have something not adjustable... honestly.. it's not a pain in the ass ti ride with.. i did it for 2 seasons
  • + 1
 maybe you just gotta ride with them constantly to get used to it, I ride way more am then dh and yea I hate putting on a leatt
  • + 2
 I think it's more of a discussion over how much you would prefer to have a long biking career or not. You don't have to pay if you don't want to but when they write up the report when you get to the hospital, then take a big sigh when they realize you weren't wearing a neck brace. Personally I started with a neck brace, first day, I probably wouldn't have come back if I didn't have the neck brace.
  • + 1
 Thank you jason, for proving my point for me Wink One of the smartest comments in this thread right there ^
  • + 1
 You can't say you wouldn't be riding again if you weren't wearing one because unless you relive the same crash without wearing one then you'll never know. The fact is that sometimes it may save you and other times it will cause the injury. If you're not wearing them correctly or using a helmet not designed for one then your increasing your chance of injury. I'm still not convinced. The only people I know that have broken their neck were actually wearing one.. Would they have broken their neck without it? Who knows.. Maybe, maybe not! If its going to happen, it will happen. There's more chance of breaking your back on a log, rock, tree etc which a neck brace won't help. Its funny you know.. I see people wearing neck braces but no other body armour. You are at higher risk of injuring, knees, shoulders, arms, hands, legs etc yet people neglect protecting those.. Lol.. Any injury can take you out of the game and I might get run over crossing the road.. Lol.. If you want to wear one then wear one. If you don't then don't.. Its pretty simple.
  • + 1
 Leatt's break before they cause any harm to your body, worst case scenario it will break your colar bone before you break you're neck. I have a friend from BC who crashed into a tree on a greasy track and the leatt broke his colar bone clean, the doc said that based on the impact, had he not been wearing it, he'd have broken his neck FOR SURE 100% no doubt. And leatt designs they're braces to work with all full face helmets.... it's a flawless system really, i don't see how it's up for a debate subject...
  • + 1
 That's funny because I've seen helmets that say not to be used with a neck brace. You can't say that there is 100% no doubt he would have broken his neck.. Lol.. Without one he probably wouldn't have broken his collar bone and his body would have absorbed the impact. I've hit head on into a tree at speed and came to a complete stop with my head and chest. Took a huge chunk out of the tree with my helmet. I got a mild concussion and a severely bruised hand. I'd say with a Leatte i would have had an unnecessary broken collar bone like so many other people experience. But hey! I'm not stopping you from wearing one.
  • + 1
 so your suggesting the doctor who studied roughly 8 years to be a certified professional at tending to injury's or illness didnt know what he was talking about ? cause im sure anyone thinking logically would know that going the speed u go at if your a decently fast rider and crashing head/neck into a tree could potentially kill a person... so your saying if he had no neck brace on then he wouldnt have compressed his neck so far that he would have broken it and possibly a few other vertebrae ? ok then, think what you like... He hit an oak tree going roughly 38 ish km's an hour... or at least thats what was estimated from many people... he was going damn fast and was very fortunate to get away with a cracked helmet and neck brave along with a broken collar bone... so you go crash head first into a tree going 38 km's an hour down steep shit
in the mud WITHOUT a neck brace and tell me how that goes....
  • + 1
 Can you not read? I have crashed head on into a tree around the same speed if not a little more. Cracked my motoX helmet. Yes 40 to zero in a split second. No neck brace, no broken collar bone. I left a permanent mark, well two in the tree. I survived well thanks with mild concussion and a bruised hand. I didn't break my collarbone because I wasn't wearing a neck brace. Who's questioning the doctors medical experience? No one can predict a theoretical outcome. Pharmaceutical companies reward doctors for prescribing and promoting their drugs. Does it mean they actually work? No not necessarily. If you believe its going to save your life then wear one. Good for you! I don't buy into professional marketing propaganda. A controlled test in a perfect environment with dummies is not proof that they work. In the real world there are far more variables that come into play. Wear your neck brace. I don't care. But I'm not convinced and won't be wasting my money.
  • + 1
 why are you so hostile ? lol your 39 and goin and putting smart ass comments on my old as f*ck head cam footage... and yeah no surprize you helmet broke, it looks like an mx helmet for the 1990's... Look, i'm gonna stop here because no logical information can get through your thick skull. You base your oppinions on experience, honestly, i think my friend who was racing a canada cup was most definately going faster which is PROBABLY why the brace broke AND it broke his broke his collar bone. i think its only logical to think that if you can BREAK a pie ce of equipement thats meant to save you life then without it you wouldn't really be better off. I rest my case, you are 39, wh do you argue with 17 year olds on the internet ? i wouldnt be surprised if your one of those guys who says how stupid argueing on the internet is and how immature people are but then you go an do it yourself... Seriously, if you want to be immature like that then fine, i'm just putting out the facts that i've witnessed myself.
  • + 1
 I think.....it's time to move on guys.
  • + 1
 I think it is too.
  • + 1
 Haha.. If you post on a forum then other members Wii reply regardless of age. Like I said. If you want to wear one then go for it. And 40km/h isn't fast. Lol.. Enjoy your bib and brace.
  • + 1
 Again with the mature comments.. Talking shit isn't cool, especially when your bad.
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  • + 26
 In Europe we have VAT tax of up to 23% on any protective equipment! I It makes no sense at all! If governments will make it as VAT 0% the end cost could drop substantially, hence product would be more affordable hence lower costs to government to pay for social benefits if you are injured. Also if such equipment would reduce your insurance it would makes sense over all.
Other than financial aspect it is worth to have one depending of how much risk you are taking. Period.
  • + 1
 dh-bomber, my neck worths a lot of money but that does not mean they should ask 600$ for a plastic piece of shit that actually costs them no more than 100$ ( and yes I´m sure that R&D does not cost the extra 500$)!!!!
Its the same story with a lot of other things like car seats for children, etc.
How much your child costs is not the right way of thinking...
  • + 1
 you can get them much less than that. the most expensive one is between $600-$700 and that the carbon one for if you need it to be really light. if you look around you can get then for less than $200.
  • + 1
 gapos999 there are two ways of thinking:
-they use that much money for making it (plus developing ...) -> that much does it cost
or
- from rider's (consumer's) point of view (lets forget about how we want to save money) you don't pay for what you get(like piece of plastic) .. but imagine that you pay for the work it saves you (imagine how much it would cost you to walk that distance you've travelled with a (10 000 $) car) same thing with neck breace.. what does it saves you (worth invest?)

I absolutly agree with you - they could be cheaper.. but still that's kinda your life's price
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  • + 10
 Props to Leatt for finally letting their message out. For years they sold $400+ braces, sponsored pros to race them publically, and communicated w/ the consumer only through vague, skepticism-inducing marketing speak. Some people took a leap of faith, other people talked smack. That was not the right way to go and it seems like they understand that now. Putting together a white paper and sitting on it, quietly knowing the science is on your side, is not the way science works. You, PB user, don't have to be able to read and understand everything that gets published in a highly technical/specialized publication, but just knowing that it _was_ published gaurantees (through the peer review process) that some independent people who do have the technical background have looked at the work and signed off on it. Or have had a chance to challenge it. It's a similar principle Pinkbike editors use, acting as a level of translation and a sometimes BS detector, in between the engineers or marketing teams of cycling industry and the end users, us. To bypass all that will always come across sketchy, even if your product is solid.
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  • + 10
 Very little of this subject is an exact science and although this is communicated during the video the vast amount of marketing and often patronising content of the videos (particularly the first) comes across more like over Americanized marketing than real "straight talking".

Being cynical they should say "neck braces may work in certain situations and may even be worse for you in others and we try to keep improving them but replicating in-vivo loading and impact situations is impossible- nevertheless we do our best".

I realise this message is in there but it is heavily hidden with the marketing and half explaining the testing/ science (I do appreciate that this will always be a tough balance for a PB video). :/
  • + 4
 I agree totally. This is realistically just a marketing exercise for Leatt. As soon as you have the manufacturer giving "straight talk" on something, it's way too biased to be able to take it seriously. If an group like the American Orthopedic Association published independent research about neck braces in general, and not one specific brand, then these videos could be a little more believable.

What is the job of the general manager for Leatt? To make money for the company. People get into business to make money. Sure, maybe they come up with an idea to save people's necks, but once they have a product to sell, they are just selling it to make money. These videos are just being made to encourage people to spend their money on a Leatt, and not another neck brace brand.

That being said, I think that neck braces are a good thing. People complaining about the price should buy a D3 composite instead of the carbon and put the saved money towards a neck brace.
  • - 3
 The video did exactly what it was intended to do. Scare people into buying a neckbrace. Leatt took one right out of the obama play book. As far as the order of importance in my protective arnesal the neck brace would be the last thing on my list. I would probably buy a jock strap before a neck brace....IMO...a neck brace is a double edge sword.
  • + 4
 1.helmet
2.gloves
3.knee guards.
4.kidney belt.
5.full upper body suit.
6.ankle/wrist guards
7.maybe a neck brace.

I'm at 3 right now, i see no reason in wearing a piece of plastic that saves you from 40% of neck injuries before wearing a kidney belt, if you get a compression hit even with a leatt you are going to break your back, just lower instead of your neck!.
i crashed a million times even without a helmet (before i knew they existed ) and my neck was and is fine, now i can attribute that to a million things (lucky socks ) or just say i was lucky .
reading peoples comments one would think that everybody are crashing neck first and are saved by their leatt's .
  • + 4
 @ BeardlessMarinRider - I think you hit the nail on the head. Your statement about maybe being worse in some situations happened to me. I may have received a injury do to the brace but no one can be 100% certain. There is the catch, unless someone is going to do tests to counter what they say, no one can be sure.
Leatt have spent millions(?) saying it does this or that and who is going to be able to say it does not? Unless there is financial gain and someone is willing to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars testing there claims to prove right or wrong no one will ever know. Even if tests countering there claims prove true the company can just go about trying to disqualify there testing methods!
  • - 2
 @matthill9660... get out of my country you idiot.
  • + 1
 omidtehhun.... seeing that you are only 19 years old, I will take your comment with a grain of salt.
  • + 1
 matthill9660 so your saying you would rather have a broken neck than broken balls? you know if your necks broken your balls aren't going to do much anyway haha. if you ask me the two main things i wanna keep safe is my brain and spine. balls heal, your spine won't.
  • + 1
 nismo325- My spine healed twice. Why wouldn't it?
  • + 0
 Sever your spinal cord then tell me how well it heals. It only takes 1 unlucky crash.
  • + 1
 @ sweet-bike- Your talking about two separate things...
I injured my t-5,6 and spinal cord lost feeling in one leg two times...Came back fully healed.
Then just this winter I fractured my spine again t-6,7,8 with no major damage to surrounding area.
He stated your spine won't heal... it will heal just like anything else.
Both of my injuries were in the Thoracic Spine which is the most common area of injury in our sport (as well as motocross my first injury). In both cases no neck brace could have helped and only help in certain situations also Spinal cord injuries can happen without fracturing to the spinal column so I don't have any idea how braces may or may not help in these instances.

Like you said one unlucky crash ...well I had two and was able to come back. The fact of the matter is mid level Thoracic spine injuries account for a much higher percentage of spinal column injuries then do Cervical in our sport. So why people put all there eggs in the neck brace basket is beyond me.

I would personally like to see more research into protecting the Middle Thoracic region of the spine since studies show this is the most common area of injury...JMTC
  • + 1
 matthill9660 what i meant is no need bringing politics into a discussion that should damn well be void of it.
  • + 1
 matthill9660 in retrospect though, it was rude as hell how i said it. sorry 'bout that. can't all be polite while running out the door.
  • + 1
 omidtehhun...no worries.
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 I can't believe how patronizing these videos are. This guy may as well be saying: "I can't believe the bullshit I read on the internet! You guys are all so dumb! Just buy a Leatt already!"
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  • + 10
 My neck hurts just watching this
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  • + 8
 yeh i get ya but there so expensive! Frown
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 *They're. And really, how expensive is your bike? I'm guessing that it makes your argument kinda invalid...
  • + 5
 Did you REALLY just correct his spelling?
And look up "kinda" in the dictionary.......it's not there.
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 It's pricey but not as pricey as sitting in bed for the rest of your life. Read TL story. Besides how much was your DH RIG? With safety comes a price.
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 I understand that after a big crash it's easy to think "I would've broken my neck", but it's a false conclusion. I had a massive head first crash, cracked fullface helmet and compression fractured two vertebrae in my LOWER back.

No Leatt, no neck injury.

The truth is that the damage you do is highly dependent on the exact forces in your crash and how your body takes the impact. Not saying you shouldn't wear a brace, just be careful jumping to conclusions on when it did/didn't save you. Playing the paralysis card to end the discussion is a bit unfair.
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 It is worth the expense and it will help save your neck .It is not the "holy grail " of safety equipment however. There is no way to cheat physics though and the forces that spare your neck do go elsewhere, often causing spine damage further along at mid-upper back. More and more medical evidence suggests this is the case. There is truth to the above videos , but a lot of omitting of info as well, they probably care about your neck , but they care about making money, smart marketing/liability much more.
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 As already mentioned its a bit patronising but good vids none the less. Big thing is how does that help us guys that wanna ride XC/AM without a massively heavy and sweaty full face? maybe this should be the next step, some nice new lightweight breathable full faces in the vein of the archie Wink
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 I agree with this I think the archi enduro is ahead of its time . With the growth of enduro there should be a growth in suitable safety gear. Ive seen a few friends fall with open face helmets doing downhill and tbh they might as well have not been wearing a lid it made that much of a mess of their face, Im going to buy an archi soon just because it is the only helmet fit for purpose out there.
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 Yeah there is a serious lack of lids for any body that wants to ride a bit of everything. Its hard i know as you need vents, strength and still keep it light but it still seems to be a lacking space in the market. I dont care how much of a fool i look with a full face on XC trails, id wear one just to keep me bonce safe, currently i do back off just because im worried about binning it on my face at some trails. Archie all the way!
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 I'm sold on the technology of leatt braces. That video was brilliant in showing the extreme testing and development the braces go through. I believe they are worth the money.

For all the people who moan about the price. Buy 2nd hand, I've seen them from as little as £60
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 This my stupid crash from the container drop on freight train at whistler last summer (it's at the end of the vid). After making an incredibly bad judgment call I lawn darted and pretty much landed face first. Ended up destroying my d2, getting a bursitis on my right elbow that had to be drained, and got 6 stitches in my left palm. But I didn't have whiplash and didn't have a concussion, I credit that to the leatt I was wearing.

a>https://vimeo.com/47337359/a>
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 Its a bit hard to buy one on anectodal evidence only. There is a body of research that racing cars in a protective seat and a brace connected with your shoulder and your helmet is
working very well and has the nice effect that with high g cornering your head stays upright.

The variables with a neckbrace and dowhilling are many more and you could actually suffer more and different injuries from wearing one when crashing. Leatt does not adress rotational hypertension. Why?

Leatt pricing is probably gouging plus huge liability insurance per piece of sold equipment.

I am not convinced that it is actually a better product than f.e the O`Neal Softbrace at 29.95 which stops hyperextension about as well as a 300$ Leatt but without the chance of breaking collarbones. Very similar products are mandatory in many raceclasses - and they helped cut down neckinjuries. So there is a body of evidence that it works.

So that is what I am wearing. It is slowing down hyperextension all around and is comfortable.
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 At 21 I learned how to walk again. It was not from riding but a work related injury. My employer f#$&ed me over and I got the med bills too along with finding a personal insurance courrier (cobra) . It was a ling drawn out dirty experience, he had a lot of money and connections, things I did not . All I can say is spending a year and a half to walk again only to stand up and pull out your wallet to fork over more than $70,000 in med bills hurt more than my legs (to this day).

So how expensive is this device really?
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 respect to you, as for the others you allude to... until they are hurt... they will not respect IMPACT.
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 Mine busted my collar bone this last sept. i also broke my scapula, 3 ribs, puntured/collapsed my lung and impacted my mellon. Without it my Dr said there is a strong chance i could have busted my neck. Btw my Dr. was riding with me. Hospital for 4 days but i'm alive and riding.
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 I use a Leatt, I'll always use a leatt or at least always use a neckbrace, If I can prevent and better my odds of walking away from a crash I will, it's not really that expensive in the scheme of things, considering helmet, kits, wheels, parts frame etc, it's reasonably priced. Given its a saftey equipment that protects one of the most vital areas of the body. I'll happily pay for them.
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 Rationally i cant see why these would be important. I mean think about it, small impacts ok but if you smack your face straight in you have a huge pivot point pressing behind your neck meaning the force is not dispursed, pretty much defeating the point of a spine. You get more force concentrated on a single point on your neck which to me sounds like you are more likely to have a fatal injurty but less likely to suffer from smaller ones. Im no science dude but thats what it seems like to me. Wish there was some impartial non sponsored info out there about it, could save allot of lives.
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 The video shows that the force is transferred to the areas either side of the spine, and also that the lower down your spine you go the bigger and stronger it is. It is therefore better able to deal with load/stress.
The part that impacts the back is designed to break also, which would dissipate further energy.
The brace does not reduce the force of an impact, but absorbs a small amount and redirects the remaining force to less critical areas.
You are less likely to be fatally injured by a spinal injury the lower that injury is - your brain can still tell your heart to beat and lungs to breathe...
Their science does appear sound to me (although I agree that it is difficult to accurately contest given the many variables in a crash and lack of independent research)...

Yes I have a Leatt as I had a human javelin accident and, whilst I had no serious injury, I believe it could have easily been much worse. Like any armour I will still likely get injured, but to a lesser extent...
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 I would NOT ride without one...many crashes and hard ones with my LEATT and my D2/D3...I make sure that I have a great summer riding not sitting in front of the TV fealing like S&^%T...DH is a very dangerous sport...I ware my armour and it feels great when I crash...I cant think the same for all those T-shirt lovers...If guys riding 450 Moto and doing the Paris / Dakkar have braces well I think it must be a VERY important peace of protection...
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 everything great, but one thing. I had ATV leatt and i couldn't look at exit of turn it was limiting my movements so badly, next i tested alpinestars neck brace, same thing. You need to not work in turns with your shoulders to make neck brace sit in place. So sorry neck braces are not the anwser to neck injury. It has to be full body padding with neckbrace and helmet implemented, and if you think of all the differences of body build you should make customizable product by 3d body scan or something
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 with the leatts you can usually adjust the table heights to adjust movement range, or it could have been the helmet you were wearing. personally I have never had that problem with mine.
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 Leatt is awesome, I've been using the product for more then a year and have had some major crashes even breaking two helmets and still no pain in the neck area. The product has been holding up very strongly and is defiantly worth the money. I do not think i have used a full face without my leatt in more then a year. Also i would strongly disagree with anyone clamming that it reduces mobility; although it might well a little strange the fist 2 or 3 times you where it, fever quickly you will find that you feel naked without it, I have friends that will do backflips with the brace on and have no problems.
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 For all those who complain about the cost, can you put a price on your neck? After suffering a horrible crash in which I now have a paralyzed foot, I know that without the leatt brace on I would most likely be paralyzed from the neck down. I have always been a believer of the product. It only takes a few diggers to realize " hey my neck is no longer sore form high impact head collisions". Thank you Leatt
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 Just get one and stop the debate over price. 3 years ago I pulled my wife off a mountain side and it was a miracle she is not dead or a quad. She was not wearing a neck brace, but I now won't ride dh without one. It got real very fast with a jefferson fracture at C1.
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 This was my crash that broke my neck (dislocated C2). I always moved the Leatt to the end of my list. My head hyperflexed so far inward that my helmet left a scab in my armpit. Doctors said its a miracle that im alive and didnt cut my spinal cord. All i can say is, theres no regret bigger than when that one crash happens that can change (or end) your life. www.pinkbike.com/photo/5023338
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 Really good videos, i like how they go in to that it protects abit and not 100 % of the neck! I rather lose money so i can stay safe, plus its a bigger chance of coming back faster from a bigger crash if you have good protection! I rather be on my bike instead of a wheelchair!
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 Anybody else think that the snowmobiler who died from an X games injury might have actually died from injuries sustained from his neck brace? Look it up. The way he augers in, his helmet pressed down, which in turn pressed his brace into his chest. He died from bleeding around the heart and other complications if I remember correctly.
I have a pediatrician friend that talked me out of one because he said he's heard of a few instances where people crashed hard face first and lacerated their heart. He is one of my most educated friends, so I listened to him over the hype and I haven't bought one. He has kids that race bmx at National levels, and none of the people on the team have bought Leatts for their kids. Any thoughts? I'm on the fence.
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 Completely sold on leatt style neck braces, they just work. The talk of load path tech and reduced neck strain makes it sound like it would be beneficial to the porn industry also!
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 I had a crash last summer that fractured three of my vertebrae and I was wearing my leatt brace and if I had not been I probably would have had a much more serious injury the doctors told me A few hundred dollars are definitely worth the ability to walk
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 It was similar to 13:00 I had a burst fracture
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 this has made me think about getting a neck brace, i dont go rideing with my full face on very often, but when i do crash most of the time my head hits the ground on the side, as you can tell by the scuff marks on my helmets. so somethng to consider!
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 I broke my neck a couple years ago. Went out and bought one of these before riding again. Its probably already saved me a few times since. Plus it's pretty comfortable and now i feel weird riding without it.
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 I would love to have one and see it as a necessary piece of riding equipment... but lets be honest ive barley scraped up enough to pay for a DH bike and some lift tickets, they need to be more affordable
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 you spend 300+ for cranks, 2500 or more for a frame, 1000 for a wheelset, 1500 for a fork. $200 to keep you protected (or at least greatly improve your chances of not having a spinal cord injury) Doesn't sound bad at all! I've been wearing one for 3 years and wont ride without it!
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 I'd like to wear one, but my neck is short. The leat brace sits high on my shoulder so it prevents my fullface to be worn properly. Does leat have a solution for people like me? What's the alternative?
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 That could be because it is not sized for you correctly. There are spacer pieces that increase or decrease the girth of the chest to back spine plate. If it was sitting up too high... then... you need to remove the small spacer and put in the medium or the large spacer, on either side at the hinge connect point. That allows the leatt to add size between the front and back... allowing it to sit down on your shoulders versus getting squeezed up due to your obviously massive chest! Then... you can add in the wedge piece if needed on the spine plate to bring the spine plate angled back towards your back. It takes time to fit these correctly. It is not like a shoe...
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 I tried all possible adjustments, no luck. But I saw another product from Dainesse that might work for me.
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 OK! Good luck!
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 This is my stupid crash this past weekend.

This stupid crash would have broken my neck.

I had the Leatt on.

I am typing you this comment- otherwise without the Leatt... I would not be moving.

Do the math.

vimeo.com/61134589
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 ouch- that hurt. It makes me wonder how many times you can fall off before the odds get you, and as an older rider,the bones are more brittle to begin with - I'm convinced my backpack/water bag has saved me more than once as I blew over the handlebars and did a tuck and roll as you did- but I'm going to start wearing the neck brace that I recieved for Christmas as a regular part of my "off-road kit". Better safe than sorry , the cost is secondary to the inevitability of the odd's finally getting you.
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 16:44 - The voice-over said "increase".. the forces required to injure you. That made no sense in that context. Someone made a mistake here...
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 The way I understood the comment it makes sense. They are saying it is increasing the force required to injure you. Meaning it takes an increase in force (or a harder crash) to cause injury with the neck brace on than without it.
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 I've been riding with a Laett for the past two seasons and I can say with out a doubt that it has protected me from serious neck injury on three separate occasions. I didn't like wearing at first but now I don't even notice it. When I crash I can feel my head sort of lock into one place when tumbling or rolling during a crash. I also watched my good friend take a gnarly crash and you can see the leatt stops his head from going all the way back as his helmet hits a small boulder

www.pinkbike.com/video/265041
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 the 'white document' would be virtually impossible to read for the average person like 'me'... but the guy sure seems to know what he's on about.
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 I wish they had a guide on what helmets work best with what brace... I can't get mine to fit correctly for the life of me...I think its my D2 that might be the problem
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 amazingly informative, inspired me to get one.
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 Man, I've been on the fence about getting one for a while now... I mainly ride DH. I just keep hearing so many arguments from both sides... hmmm
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 No one says you have to buy a leatte or alpinestar. The EVS r4 is only about 100.00. It might not be as flashy as the better known brands but it will still do the job..
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 I wear my on every DH run. I don't even know it's there and I know it's saved me from serious injury a couple times.
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 Screw it, I'm getting one...
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 i am going to say: THANK YOU LEATT! you saved my firend and for this video
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 who ever that guy is all he has to do is sit there and crash while wearing every piece of body armour. my dream job
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 Who'd of thought they're functional. Figured it was all for those steez points.
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 I personally believe that my Leatt brace saved me from ending my life in a wheel chair! Thanks Dr. Leatt!!
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 I've seen them on sale for less than $120 for the basic models... That's about the same as a pair of good knee pads.
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 Just admit it Phil...you are pissed about how safe these things are
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 I could not get on with mine, im gonna sell it
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 This dude likes saying loads a lot
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 I IMMEDIATELY regret selling my Kneckbrace........
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 Neck braces are equal and deserve respect! Same with helmets!
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 im getting myself one of these
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 Fyi they have a new front support that helps reduce the chance of a break.
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 You still are an angry man.
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