Manitou Dorado - Reviewed

Sep 18, 2009 at 0:09
Sep 18, 2009
by Mike Levy  
 
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Back in February of this year you may have caught our preview of the Manitou Dorado that we have had on test since that time. It's been a long time since we've caused such a stir on the website. With about 200 comments and too many reads to count, it easily garnered the most attention of any of the products to hit the front page in recent memory. But I guess that was sort of expected. I can't remember a single new product causing quite the crap storm of interest, but with carbon legs and a massive price tag it was bound to do that. And let's not forget that it is from Manitou, a name that many once swore by but that had fallen by the way side in more recent times. There are a few good questions to answer, mainly is the new Dorado really that good?

Read on to find out what we think about the latest wonder fork from Manitou.

Manitou Dorado



What's on the outside?

Out of the box and into my hands, my first thought was not how light it is (although it is relatively light), or even how quickly I could manage to get it on my current test bike, but instead how nicely it was finished. The made in the U.S.A. fork is just beautiful. As you would expect, the carbon legs are stunning with the cosmetic weave easy to see. My heart always beats a few beats faster when I am holding anything made of the black wonder material. Carbon has its detractors, but it is hard to argue that it doesn't look stunning. The upper tubes bulge slightly at the lower crown and continue down at the same diameter. The upper and lower crowns each clamp onto anodized gold aluminum sleeves that have been bonded to the carbon tubes, increasing clamp diameter and protecting the carbon at the same time.

Aluminum sleeves give the crowns a strong place to clamp while protecting the carbon

The crowns look up to the task, the lower crown itself is massive. Tolerances seem to be just right, as in you don't need a hammer to get your top crown on and in position. The top crown fits an integrated stem and uses the same standard that you will find on Boxxers or Fox 40s. All crown pinch bolts are drilled A270 rust resistant bolts, details. There is a smart hose guide on the lower crown which uses a single 2.5 mm allen bolt, nice to see they didn't decide to use anything smaller like some other rather cheesy hose guides. The aluminum steerer tube is butted as well.




Upper and lower fork crown detail

The decals themselves are a step above what we usually see in the bicycle industry. The thick vinyl graphics don't look like they will be separating themselves from the legs anytime soon, which is nice because I think they look pretty damn sharp. It is great to see the MRD (Manitou Racing Development) logo make a return to the range, signifying that this fork sits at the top of the fork hierarchy.

Manitou Racing Development

The stanchions are 36 mm across and are protected via sturdy plastic guards. The original Dorado leg guards were quite brittle, having a tendency to crack before bending. These are thick and flexible so they should last much longer. They also have aluminum sleeves in each bolt hole to prevent cracking due to over tightening or an accident. Three 2.5 mm bolts hold each guard in its place and the left has a built in hose guide.

The HexLock axle




HexLock axle and steel pinch bolt inserts

The Dorado accepts standard 20 mm x 110 mm thru-axle hubs and uses Manitou's 6 sided HexLock axle system. Two pinch bolts per side hold the axle in place, and they thread into replaceable steel inserts that prevent any permanent damage from over tightening. The fork uses a modular brake adapter and comes with both 8" post mount and I.S. mount.

Modular brake mount




8" post mount adapter and 8" I.S. adapter

Hand made in the U.S.A.




Frame bumper, clean and simple hose guide



What's on the inside?

I got a chance to pull apart the Dorado with one of Manitou's head guys, Nick Pyne, so I couldn't turn it down. Nick knows his stuff really well, and when he sunk his teeth into the Dorado it was evident that not only did they invest a lot of money, effort, and time into the design and construction of the Dorado, but it was worth the extra money. Over the years we've been sold some pretty hokey fork internals, most of us without really knowing. A lot of riders would be surprised to find that their fork that was top of the range only a few seasons back actually uses technology taken from moto forks built in the '70's and '80's. The Dorado internals are about as far from that as you could get. Inside you'll find nothing but cnc'd aluminum bits, most anodized for long term durability, no unfinished edges or any sacrifice in quality to be seen. All the parts are constructed out of durable materials to ensure each tear down and rebuild does not leave your fork feeling worse than before.

Dorado's TPC+ assembly completely removed

All the words Nick threw out sound technical, and the diagrams look good, but the Dorado is best understood once you get inside. The damping assembly is designed, and laid out perfectly. As it's an inverted fork Mantiou has put the damping assembly at the bottom of the leg, meaning whenever you're riding the oil is keeping the items lubricated that need it the most. The rebound assembly fits directly into the damper, which is housed inside a closed bath system. This closed bath system includes the complete TPC+ assembly, rebound assembly, and hydraulic bottom out assembly, all neatly tied up and sealed inside this unit.

The TPC+ unit sits at the bottom of the damping leg, both the LSC (red dial) and HSC (black dial) are located here

Damping cartridge completely removed from the lower leg, inner tube separated from the cartridge body

TPC+ removed from inner tube

Rebound damping piston and top out cone

On the opposite side of the fork is the self equalizing air spring system. This system was simpler compared to the damping assembly, but still shouted quality engineering. Once inside the air spring leg it was fairly obviously what each component did. It consisted of one large air chamber, one piston, and a few odd looking parts that once they were explained looked very functional. At the top of this leg is the Air input valve, and you guessed it, that's where you air up your spring. Clearly stated on the cap is the recommended settings for air pressure, and a warning to not remove air from this valve. Should you need to remove air, you'll have to do so via the lower air valve at the bottom of the leg. Remember, the Dorado features self equalizing air chambers for positive and negative.

Travel adjustment from 8" to 7" is accomplished by moving the C-clip (trapped under gold nut) to a new position closing the nut over it

As you can clearly see on the air spring is a nut, and a rubber stopper. These are both 2 completely functional features about the fork, the top out bumper, and the travel adjustment. Stuck on the end of the air piston is what's referred to as a poppet valve. This valve is what equalizes the pressure between the positive, and negative chamber, a pretty helpful little unit. All wrapped in a thick rubber seal to keep the pressure in the right areas, and sealed in a leg. That is what the air spring leg consists of.

Air piston and poppet valve

Air piston and poppet valve


Graph showing Dorado air spring rate versus relative coil spring

All these fancy components and parts to the Dorado would be completely useless if they were not correctly protected, and sealed. All housed inside dual layered carbon legs and protected by not 1, not 2, but 3 seals insures the Dorado's internals are well protected from the elements that be. All the external adjustments are well labeled and are noticeable right away once used. The Dorado is a really well thought out, and well constructed fork worthy of the investment.



And Finally The Riding Impressions

Manitou is really leading the way in appearance and aesthetic with the carbon legged Dorado. As we already covered, the finish and attention to detail is more than unrivaled by any other manufacturer. For those riders who are paying top dollar for this top piece of kit it is going to need to do a whole lot more than simply look pretty in the garage. In short, it has to work better. There are those who will happily hand over their hard-earned money for the Dorado, oblivious and uncaring as to whether there really is a performance gap between it and the less expensive competition. But that is not where the new fork (and the reborn Manitou name) will earn it's reputation. Pro and expert level riders who push hard and know exactly what is happening under them while up to speed, riders who take the time to shape their suspension into something that can and will help their cause on the trail, those who know that there is an advantage to be had, those are the people who should have a go on this fork. After only the first few rides it was painfully clear that it really was working better.

The impressive thing about the Dorado is how it manages to deal with it all quite easily, never feeling like it is working overly hard to move the front wheel out of the way. The initial entry into it's travel is not as supple as some would hope, although that is of zero consequence when on the dirt. The Dorado always garnered attention at the trail heads and I could only smile and nod when another rider gave it a push in the lot and declared it "nothing special", I mean there really is nothing to say to that and I can't go lending the bike out to every rider now can I. Get rolling with some proper terrain passing under you and that is when you will realize that yes, something special is happening.

Click the HD video to see some slow-motion action with the new Dorado

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That silky smooth top end that seemed to be lacking while at a standstill obviously has nothing to do with riding the fork in real time, as the smallest irregularities on the ground were simply erased from below me. I'm talking about the things that we don't see when riding above our limits and looking far ahead, those little things that make you back back up the trail to see what it was that was giving you so much trouble. How the fork deals so well with the smaller issues I don't know, but it passes nearly none of it up and into the bars, even more importantly, it seems to greatly reduce the amplitude of the these nuisance bits of any trail before they reach your tires. A lot of beating around the bush when what I am trying to say is that the end result is greater traction. Then again, that is what suspension is there for, now isn't it? This is simply what happens when that very suspension is working very, very well at its job. It is easy to argue that another brand's fork could be set up to accomplish the same thing, and that's true, but that fork would then be lacking in other departments and at the very least require a skilled and knowledgeable tuner to do multiple rebuilds and tinker with things that most of us don't know how to tinker with. Out of the box (or gun case as it may be) the Dorado has no peers in this category, but gives up no ground at any other point in it's travel as well.

Graph shows TPC+ compression damping curve and adjustment range versus a more classic system

Past the smaller bothers and into it's travel, the fork never complained. It seems to me that there are certain forks out there that are guilty of not being able to properly transition deeper into their stroke without over reacting. Why would I want to use all my travel when I should only be using part of it? Now that we seem to have settled on 8" up front there is a lot of room to get things wrong, much more than on a shorter stroke AM bike, using too much of that travel too often can have disastrous effects on your bike's handling and it isn't helped by having that much or more travel in the back of the bike. The Dorado is not plagued by this common problem. Hard braking did far less to upset the bikes geometry than what I was used to. The anodized red low-speed compression (LSC) dial had a noticeable effect in keeping the bike from diving, but at the same time the fork was never harsh, even with the LSC fully closed. When LSC was at full open it was still more controlled than the competition, although I would still like to see an even wider range of adjustment available externally.

Up to speed and the fork is fully in control of what is going on. It took some time to realize that the Dorado really was working hard at it's job, mainly because it went about dealing with the common lumps and edges that are on all our trails so well. The fork's mid-stroke was practically erasing whatever it was that was under me. No spikes and no surprises, leaving me to concentrate on getting down the trail. This took the longest to understand. I don't want to describe the feeling as vague, because it was far from it, but it really muted a lot of terrain that would have had me tensing up. Stay relaxed and let the suspension deal with it as it does. What more could you really ask for?

Watch pro racer Jason Memmelaar have some fun with the Dorado

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The hydraulic bottoming cone does what one would hope. Not once, despite some impressive mistakes, was I able to really close down hard at the end of the stroke. Full travel was used, but by the time I managed to get there it was far more of a soft bottom than a hard finish. It's a wonder why other forks don't take advantage of this system, although I'm sure they'd give you a reason why. Manitou uses a similar arrangement to control the opposite end of the stroke and it proved just as useful there as well. I have read a few complaints of some minor topping out of early production run Dorados that were shipped without this top out cone, but I've been told that every fork now has this system installed. I want to make the next statement as clear as possible: the Dorado is not flexible and I would argue that what resiliency is there is helping and not a hindrance. Not at any point during my time on the fork did I wish for it to be any stiffer torsionally. End of story.

Hydraulic bottoming cone

There are forks available that come very close to matching the Dorado in certain areas of detail, but there is not a single fork that is as polished all around as the carbon tubed Manitou, it inspires confidence in every situation. The entire stroke is nothing but quality, there really is no compromising at any point in the travel. No giving up one trait to gain another and certainly no awkward moments that make you wonder what just happened. You get to have your cake and eat it as well. Although it's one expensive cake.

Other Notes...

The seals that Manitou chose to use on the Dorado seem to be up to the task and then some. While only a few months time is hardly enough to report any long term verdicts, they let nary a drop of oil by. Zero. Zilch. Hell, there wasn't even the slightest wisp of oil left on the lower tube after any compression. I have high hopes that they will perform as well further into the future.




Manitou Dorado outer, inner, and installed seal detail

Having had many seasons on the old Dorado and going through too many stanchion guards to remember, I can happily report that won't be the case with the new version. The guards are thick and flexible, with aluminum inserts at the screw holes to keep the fastening bolts from pulling through. Not one was broken during the test and I doubt it is going to happen anytime soon.



Robust but flexible stanchion guards are up for some abuse

One point of contention was discovered after the Dorado equipped test bike was left to sit unused for a few weeks. It was evident that the fork was not at its best after the long break, not the least bit eager to enter its travel. Everything was back to normal after a quick burn or two, but it may be important to store the bike upside down when not used for extended periods.



So what do I really think?

The truth is that no matter how good the Dorado is, and it really is that good, there will be those that will find fault with it. Let's be honest here, it could be easy to find something to pick out: it's carbon and no matter how much proof is out there or how well it is made you are sure that you will snap it in two simply by loading it onto your bike rack! And of course it's inverted and you simply will not be able to ride down your local hill without the front wheel pointing off in the wrong direction! Oh yeah, it's holy-shit expensive and you... Ok, I'll give you that one as I'll never be able to afford it either! But wait, the new aluminum legged version sporting the same amazing internals could be just the ticket for us bike bums. I'll be truthful, when bits of info and pictures of the new Dorado were first made available I immediately balked at the prospect of the new fork. Even though I'd had plenty of great experiences with TPC+ damping in both the original Dorado, and later a much loved 7" Travis, I still was not sold on the new fork as a whole. At a much greater price than some of the competition, as well as a much flashier appearance, I almost wanted it to not live up to the expectations. That is obviously not the case. As much as I would like to find fault with the Dorado, speaking strictly about the fork's performance, I simply can't. Pretty much every suspension company out there manages to produce a full fledged DH fork that will never hold most of us back, none of the other top forks are exactly dogs, but with the Dorado on the front of my bike I had more confidence than ever before and that says a lot. At the end of it you can find all the faults you like, the reality is that this is the highest performing no-compromise DH fork available to consumers out of the box.

Mike "Kakah" Levy
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75 Comments

  • + 21
 Now that is just a fantastic article if u ask me. Im debating BoXXer WC or Dorado
  • + 5
 boxxer they are much cheaper and work if u ask me nicer and wc proven Wink but the new dorado looks hella nice so its mostly wat u like more if money is no problem
  • - 2
 i agree with saso dorado r dope as fuck but boxcers r almost as good and wayy cheaper
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 boxxer*******
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 i heard that they need hella mantainence though. like a rebuild every 7 hours?
  • + 2
 so wat boxxers need to be maitaind evry 10 hours change oil lubricate the seals... a lot of work to do and cant manitou be harder to maintain as boxxer if u know how
  • + 3
 boxxers are fairly simple to maintain, and i dont do it EVERY 10 hours, maybe like once a month, i just think that the dorados seem to be the harder fork to work on. but yet again, i dont know much about them.
  • + 2
 yeh thats y i ride dj lol
  • + 1
 ouyea dj u have to maintain yor fork too but not that much
  • + 1
 saso, too far, too far
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  • + 13
 brilliant article i love the reviews on PB keep it up, very informative brilliant pictures, good write up
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  • + 12
 Gonna upgrade from my old dorado, once i sell my arm, leg, and first born hehe. But it does seem you get your moneys worth
  • + 5
 sell a kidny you have 2.
  • + 14
 he's a mountain biker, he'll NEED that second kidney Razz
  • + 8
 hell also need his arm and leg
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  • + 4
 I bought a brand new totem coil last year and it blew up three times in one season!! it probably spent over two months off my bike and in the shop/ warranty centre. I then purchased new 08 manitou travis 180 online for half the price of my totems and they survived a month in whistler and still feel perfect. my point is, manitou is definitely getting back into the game the right way.
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  • + 7
 dorado's or boxxer 2010. hmm
  • + 2
 Left leg from the dorado and he right leg from the boxxer, duh!
lol Smile
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  • + 2
 Having owned a 2009 Dorado, I still think it’s the best fork I have ever raced on by a long shot!!!! It will give you more confidence on your bike in any situation. When I am able to get another DH bike to ride, it will be my first and only choice to have…..

More pics here:
http://www.sicklines.com/2009/03/19/2wheel-freaks-team/

http://2wheelfreaks.ning.com/page/team-blog

Cecil
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  • + 4
 for being made of carbon fiber and gold-anodized aluminum, you'd think they'd be able to stick a set of graphics on it that don't make it look like ass.
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  • + 4
 Now I get why Dorado's are so much more expensive than any other DH forks out there. Those internals are amazing. Awesome review.
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  • + 1
 I think there is a misconception about why the Dorado is so expensive. Although the internals are really nice with the anodized finish and no unfinished pieces within the fork (for a good reason), the main expense difference between a Fox 40 and the Dorado Carbon is the actual carbon. As far as I have heard, the aluminum Dorado will be quite close in price to the Fox 40 and Boxxer WC, but with the super nice internals to boot.

Plus, they didn't even mention that you get 4 free factory services from Manitou on the Dorado Carbon, over a 2 year period. They are really backing this product up. This fork is for the high end gucci racer guy.

As for graphics, they are thick decals, if you don't like them, peel them off. It is a race fork, so they made it look like a race fork. It still looks a damn sight better looking than the stuff Marz put out the last couple of years.
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  • + 4
 WOW, that second vid. was mint! But the corse looked more xc to me as he was pedaling quite hard. SWEET though!
  • + 4
 Sea Otter downhill.
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  • + 1
 If you are hard anodizing for wear resistance, as well as to prevent fading from inconsistent tolerances (used since 1987 in Motocross bikes,) adding a color for bling does not add any extra cost. Inverted forks appeared as early as 1982 or 1983- Simmons inverted forks. The Motocross world abandoned the conventional fork as it was impossible to get the weight and rigidity on par with the inverted designs in the late 1980s. Suzuki tried to revive the conventional fork in the late 1990's with a 50mm stanchion, but it was too flexy. Inverted forks had better rigidity with a 46-48mm stanchion. I have an 05 Dorado on my current bike, after trying the Travis- very good fork, and a boxxer. I revalved the tpc dorado and used lighter weight oil and couldn't get the same steering precision from the conventional forks. You can wiggle the wheel more standing in front of the bike, but I don't ride from that position. I will upgrade to the aluminum dorado when it is available.
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  • + 1
 if you really think about it, bicycle design has been trailing after motocross bikes for years now,
disk brakes?
hydro disk brakes?
vertical master cylinder disk brakes?
floating brake calipers?
progressive suspension design?
and upside-down forks.
All were used by motobikes long before us bicyclers began using them.
and for how long have the dirt bikes been utilizing the upside down forks? i recall seeing them since 2000, but may have been earlier as well.

I really think that the dorado will be the way to go, you get less un-sprung weight with better small bump compliance.
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  • + 1
 I think it would be a good idea to wait and see what they bring out in a few seasons, im sure they will make new designs from the success of these ones. (im thinking a stealthy black or somthing?) Who knows, but im waiting until the price is lower and the graphics are improved....beacuse the price will always go down eventually.
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  • + 1
 I swore of Manitou products after owning both a Black and a Sherman, both of which the compression and rebound adjustments were completely "for show". I might have to reconsider this brand in the future.
  • + 1
 but sherman and black is not a DH forks Wink im have travis 07 203mm and it rly great, In my opinion work better then any marzocchi and any adjust work perfectly !! and the most important, it is very cheap !!
  • - 1
 First off, nice job reviving a comment post a year and a half ago. Secondly, it doesn't matter if those forks were dh or not. Poor quality in one product will often carry across a brand's entire line.
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  • + 2
 great article, such a sick product, just beautifull. Think ill be able to build one myself now with this info, i'm off. Thanks!
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  • + 3
 ya anodized internals must be nice if you want to take your forks pants off now and then and so on.
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  • + 2
 sweet article, really informative. i liked how the songs in the vids both had to do with money. the dorado isnt exactly cheap now, is it?
  • + 1
 lol i know, the guy coulnt even buy her flowers becuse he had just bought a manitou carbon dorado....
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  • + 2
 Now Manitou please take this approach to your R&D team and make them design a super trail/AM fork with 160mm of travel and travel adjust... coil sprung Wink
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  • + 2
 the song in the first video is a bit ironic i think, you wont have any money in your pocket if you invest in these bad boys!
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  • + 3
 yummmmmmm.... aside from the graphics
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  • + 2
 To simpplify my decision between Boxxer and Dorado, I lean on more to Dorado. I wish Marzocchi would revidalize the Shiver.
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  • + 2
 I run the Dorado last year and really ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,it sick
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  • + 1
 Nice article Mike! You give me confidence in the new fork. I loved my old one and can't wait to try out the new one. Sweet!!
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 Does anyone know if the aluminum cheaper version is also direct mount stem compatible?
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 *Dorado's TPC+ assembly completely removed* holy f*ck!
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  • - 3
 Short comment on the price. IMAO doing all this fancy stuff to internals (i mean anodized valves, super CNC machined parts) is unnecessary and highers the price significantly. If they plan to sell 100 forks a year to race teams, conneseurs and snobs ok, but I guess if they could come up with the same performance on a raw finishing of something that customer actualy doesn't see - they might sell a bit more to more regular customers... At the same time nobody wins big in business without risks, so maybe that's the way to go
  • + 7
 Hard anodizing parts actually make them more wear resistant and less susceptable to corrosion. It also increases tolerances by creating a more uniform surface. Sometimes it's not all for show.
  • + 3
 yes i know it's not all for show, but... costs costs costs. Fox is not doing it and still they are considered to be a suspension quality benchmark
  • + 4
 I agree with WAKIdesigns, even thoug the Dorado is a great fork, Manitou by doing so put it at a higher price range, thus limiting their market shares to a select few. If it's their purpose for it to be considered as an exotic fork, then they're doing the right thing. If they are trying to compete against the Fox 40 and the Boxxer, they won't be able to grab the market share those 2 have. It's like comparing a Gallardo to a Corvette, the Gallardo is not better than the Corvette, but is limited in market share by a higher price.
  • + 13
 I totally disagree with 'WAKI' - I would consider Avalanche to be the benchmark in performance mtb suspension dampers, they hard coat all their internals too as it better maintains consistant & predicatble performance and servicing intervals are extended due to the oil getting less contaminated by the raw metal itself and the surface irregularities that store dirt and help churn/oxidise the oil more - the 'amazing' quality and tech of this fork is something Avvy have been quietly doing for over a decade now, its nice that another company has now finally cottoned on to making top-grade 'no holds barred' dampers in a lighter weight chassis.

If other companies would just cut the crap and start making top-end forks like this, they wouldn't need to re-release product line-ups every year making everyone want to buy the latest stuff as they would be at the pinnacle of performance already, the price on these forks is actually well justified, the tech won't get old for years to come while other people will keep buying the latest 40 or Boxxer every year and still have inferior performance, and end up paying much more in the long run!
  • - 2
 ctd07... Ok I take back my benchmark words from Fox, let it be Avalanche a company that no one would ever hear about of in Europe, if Josh Bender wouldn't do "his thing"... please don't pick up words, the whole point of my comment was: all this stuff is winding the productions costs higher than it's worth relatively to durability/performance.
  • + 6
 I wasn't even aware Bender rode Avalanche, I only knew he used Risse and Marzocchi - I still disagree though, you might end up with a bike that has a higher initial outlay, but will last longer and you won't look at your bike at the end of the season and think: 'my forks look old!'. Think what you like, but I reckon these forks would actually save a die hard performance nut a lot of money over a period of a few years - its your mentality that lets companies like Rockshox and Marzocchi get away with doing what they've been doing for so long (screwing everyone over).
  • + 2
 With a product this highly toleranced and well made, you will save money down the road when it doesn't wear out and break, and you will have a way nicer fork the entire time. If I build a dh rig anytime soon you can bet it will have the aluminum legged Dorados on it. As far as fox not finishing internals and being considered the industry high end standard, well perhaps they better start doing so because they are about to lose that title. It's called innovation and progress and competition makes that happen. Then once more companies have this higher standard the price of all the parts will drop in order to be remain competitive. If nothing else, the Dorado will spur on all the other manufacturers.
  • + 7
 I don't know about you guys, but I had my Fox 40 for 3 years now and never had a single problem with it. Like I said before, the Dorado is a great fork, and I agree when you guys say that the price is totally justified as the cost of fabrication is much higher, and yes as technology improves, cost decreases, but how low can it decrease. To me and a whole lot of other people, it doesn't make sense to spend $1000 more than a Fox 40 or a Boxxer which already do a great job. You can neg prop me on this, but the 40 has been the benchmark when it comes to price, strengh, quality, and weight ratio
  • + 7
 I think when it comes to a ratio, yes fox wins out. But like you mentioned the 40 has been around for years, price drops with time. On top of that Manitou realizes the price controversy and the aluminum legged version will bring the price down drastically as well. If perhaps that version is only a couple hundred more than a 40, the fox might be in more trouble. I for one love that Manitou is producing a version for the masses and a version for the hardcore no compromise crowd. That shows dedication and no compromise on Manitous part, WAY TO GO MANITOU!!!
  • - 3
 i have ridden my '07 40 for about half a season, which i bought used in good condition. i went to whistler for crankworx, and i got to test ride an M6 with a dorado on it. to tell u the truth, i think the dorado did feel nicer than my 40. but definitely not $1000 better! sure, its like .3 pounds lighter and stuff, and is pretty nice in rock gardens, but i think its unnecesary to price a fork that much for all the "new" internals in it.
  • + 2
 i ride a 40 and love it. i think that waki is right tho. they should cut down on all the fancy colors internaly and save themselves some money. as well as the rest of us wanting to ride there product. im sure there are other ways that are less expensive to make the longevity of the fork better. as for contaminating the oil?... if you are buying a for that expensive you better have the mind set to keep it working right. so change your fork oil every couple months and throw some new seals in it. that will keep your fork working well for many years to come. and its not that expensive compared to buying a new fork.
with that said i still think that fox is the way to go as far as suspension goes. fox knows what they are doing. im sure they got something up there sleeve if the need to improve the 40 to be on top of the market again. they just came out with a dhx rc4 rear shock. i think we may be seeing a new dh fork from them sometime soon in the near future!
  • + 2
 these forks are incredible and the quality is of the highest i have seen, but at the end of the day i dont see why i would chose them over my fox 40's , i'm happy payin £100 every 6 months for a service on an already awsome fork. i'll stick with what i got
  • + 1
 exactly jono and caleb. i change my oil every 2 rides and my 40 is just as smooth as day 1. i dont need to spend almost 3 grand for a fork that maybe feels a tiny bit tbetter and is "different"
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 exactly, exactly, exactly... ninjatarian, if these Manitou guys were really into performance with their internals they would use carbon fiber and titanium to lower weight and prolong life. Anodizing increasing life of a metal unexposed to natural habitat floating in lubricating oil?! It's ridiculous...
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 yea, its not like my 40's internals are going to start rusting and disintegrating after a while. maybe a couple hundred years, but hopefully i'll have a new fork by then...
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 Very good review, wonder how they compare to the BOS Idylle Rare forks.
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 i dont like the idea of not having and arce above the tire
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 I'm not gonna say anything this time.
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 beautiful fork ... but price? unavailable for normal users ... shame Frown
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 ide love a set of those on my dh rig
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 that thing is built pretty nicely. daddy want
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 Wow, what an intense fork! Looks awesome
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 Adjustability looks insane. I love it!
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 MRD always makes me think f MeRDe which means shit in french
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 ill fork if only i was rich...
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 Great review, great fork, I love mine!
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 is it just me or does the tire look like its not moving in the second vid?
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 looks sweet but i gotta say, looks dont appeal to me that much...
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 this fork is so sexy
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