Outdoor Demo - Interbike 2013

Sep 18, 2013 at 9:00
Sep 18, 2013
by Tyler Maine  
 
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This was the very first bike that I saw on my way to the Outdoor demo and I knew that it was signalling of things to come. 11nine is the maker and this full Ti Fat bike is sporting 120mm of rear travel with a 110mm front inverted fork. Aluminum production models are on the way too.

This was the very first bike that I saw on my way to the Outdoor demo and I knew that it was signalling of things to come. 11nine is the maker and this full Ti Fat bike is sporting 120mm of rear travel with a 110mm front inverted fork. Aluminum production models are on the way too.


Surly have been making fat bikes for a long time and now it s everyone else s turn to play catch up in the big tire program. Their mid width bike the Instigator was looking up to doing battle on all terrain. Way to push the sport forward Surly.

Surly have been making fat bikes for a long time and now it's everyone else's turn to play catch up in the big tire program. Their mid width bike, the Instigator 2.0, was looking up to doing battle on all terrain. Way to push the sport forward Surly.


The newest full face from Bell Helmets is the Transfer 9. Many of the same features found in the Full 9 but half the price. The overbrow venting is found on its high end big brother but the fiberglass shell helps to bring the retail into range for a lot more riders. You can expect to pay 200 USD for these once they hit bike shop shelves.

The newest full face from Bell Helmets is the Transfer 9. Many of the same features found in the Full 9, but half the price. The overbrow venting is found on its high end, big brother, but the fibreglass shell helps to bring the retail into range for a lot more riders. You can expect to pay $200 USD for these once they hit bike shop shelves.


This is the bike that Jared Graves piloted to a Bronze Medal at this year s World Champs in South Africa. Pretty cool to see and check out his exact set up and to think he turned that 54 into third. Congrats again to you Jared and everyone at Yeti this season.

This is the bike that Jared Graves piloted to a Bronze Medal at this year's World Champs in South Africa. Pretty cool to see and check out his exact set up and to think he turned that #54 into a third place podium run. Congrats again to you Jared and everyone at Yeti this season.


Sea Sucker racks may work but it s just hard to think that you can rely on a suction cup to hold a high end bike to the side roof of a vehicle. What do you think

What do you think about the suction cup racks from Sea Sucker?


Marzocchi Moto C2R rear shock and 380 C2R2 fork equipped Transition TR450. We are looking to some long term testing on these new suspension offerings from the folks at Marzocchi.

Marzocchi Moto C2R (rear shock) and 380 C2R2 (fork) equipped Transition TR450. We are looking to some long term testing on these new suspension offerings from the folks at Marzocchi.


An office favorite since its inception a few seasons back the Giro XAR has some new colors for 2014. Camo - Matte Green Left and Matte Blue Right .

An office favourite since its inception a few seasons back, the Giro XAR has some new colours for 2014. Camo - Matte Green (Left) and Matte Blue (Right).


Some of the best staff we saw out in the Boulder City heat were helping at the Xeccon lights booth. Sometimes it s the little things that set a booth apart from the masses in this case it was the toys.

Some of the best staff we saw out in the Boulder City heat were helping at the Xeccon lights booth. Sometimes it's the little things that set a booth apart from the masses, in this case it was the toys.


Skin Wall Maxxis Ardent. This is only done for aesthetic reasons there are no benefits to the skin wall look. But it caught our attention and we liked the look.

Skin Wall Maxxis Ardent. This is only done for aesthetic reasons, there are no benefits to the skin wall look. But it caught our attention and we liked the look.


LPTENT.ca with PB approved Lotus on display.

Check out these inflatable event tents LPTENT.ca with the PB approved Lotus on display.


The rules to signing out a demo bike at Specialized were pretty straight forward. Staying safe on the trails was up to you.

The rules to signing out a demo bike at Specialized were pretty straight forward. Staying safe on the trails was up to you.


If you rode a demo bike here at Bootleg Canyon then you passed by Power Bar where they were on hand to keep you hydrated and fed to keep you safe out there in the desert heat. If you get a chance try their Smoothie flavoured bars.

If you rode a demo bike here at Bootleg Canyon, then you passed by Power Bar where they were on hand to hydrate and feed you in order to keep you safe out there in the desert heat. If you get a chance, try their Smoothie flavoured bars.


Check out Bell s more affordable Enduro AM helmet offering the Stoker. It s lighter than the Super has marginally increased venting and at 70 MSRP you can t really go wrong. Expect these to fly off shelves late October early November.

Check out Bell's more affordable Enduro/AM helmet offering, the Stoker. It's lighter than the Super, has marginally increased venting and at $70 MSRP you can't really go wrong. Expect these to fly off shelves late October, early November.


Two bikes from I Track the P2 Prototype Two - Left and the tactic Right

The main idea of the Outdoor Demo is to come and test ride bikes that you may want to carry at your local bike shop. But some folks take this opportunity to bring in their own prototypes/working bikes and components and hope to catch someone's eye. These two bikes are from I Track, the P2 (Prototype Two - Left) and the tactic (Right). The tactic is a single pivot design, while the P2 uses a four bar set up. What sets the bikes apart is their floating idler wheel. Learn more at www.i-tracksuspension.com


It s safe to say that Giant has the largest fleet of demo bikes on hand during Outdoor Demo and folks were always lined up at the big blue tents. Current feedback suggests that the Trance X 27.5 is going to be a hit.

It's safe to say that Giant has the largest fleet of demo bikes on hand during Outdoor Demo and folks were always lined up at the big blue tents. Current feedback suggests that the Trance X 27.5 is going to be a hit.


Being very familiar with Smith s line up of Snow Helmets I am impressed with their first offering to the bike world - the Forefront. Its unique looks set it apart from the rest and that s tough to do these days. Their demo helmets were out all day on the masses and getting great feedback on both ventilation and looks.

Being very familiar with Smith's line up of Snow Helmets, I am impressed with their first offering to the bike world - the Forefront. Its unique looks sets it apart from the rest and that's tough to do these days. Their demo helmets were out all day on the masses and received great feedback for both ventilation and looks.


Camelbak s line up of hydration packs covers the widest gamut possible. Here are some fun new colors for the ladies and guys for 2014. The 10L Spark in Imperial Purple Graphite for the girls Left and the M.U.L.E. in Lime Punch for the guys unisex Right

Camelbak's line up of hydration packs covers the widest gamut possible. Here are some fun new colours for the ladies and gents for 2014. The 10L Spark in Imperial Purple/Graphite for the girls (Left) and the M.U.L.E. in Lime Punch for the guys/unisex (Right)


Karaoke party at Camelbak and the girls are singing Eminem s Lose Yourself song as Seth and crew get down for them. Always a good time staying hydrated.

Karaoke party at Camelbak and the girls are singing Eminem's Lose Yourself song as Seth and crew get down for them. Always a good time staying hydrated.


Stay tuned as we head indoors for Interbike 2013 from Mandalay Bay, Las Vegas.
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102 Comments

  • + 96
 Those suction cup bike racks just seem a tad sketchy.
  • + 46
 I think that I'd be a bit scared putting one of the most expensive things I own on the outside of my car, with a suction cup holding it on.
  • + 16
 I saw the original designs that had a suction cup for the fork, and one for the rear wheel, and they worked brilliantly. I'm still intimidated by the lack of solid contact, but some I folks know aren't afraid to put their 12k road rigs up there and drive like a bat outta hell.
  • + 22
 Whats got me is my other car has no place for a hitch, cant do a traditional roof rack since i have some JDM goodness rainguards....how is a 43lb DH bike at 120? lol.
  • + 5
 I thought it was sketchy at first, but I've been using the two bike seasucker on my truck with two dh bikes on it while driving 80 miles an hour and I haven't had any problems.
  • + 2
 my friend puts his Enduro on his suction cup rack...forget the name of his rack...but it works like a charm, and he puts on and takes the 'rack' off in like two minutes, and his bike is solid on there.
  • + 1
 I wonder about the rack sliding backwards from the wind and vibration of actually driving along a highway. Anyone have experience putting one on the roof for long drives?
  • + 0
 Theft waiting to happen, come along with a sharp knife, pierce the suction cups (assuming they can't just be defeated by a finger), walk off with the bikes and the rack in five seconds or less. I bet sufficiently enterprising thieves could do it while you were stopped at the lights...
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 The top of the cup is a hard plastic. But I don't specifically remember a locking mechanism.
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 What do you think about the suction cup racks from Sea Sucker? f*ck OFF !

I'm sure they will work fine though , at my old work we had ones with handles for moving the huge windows during construction , would still sit in the back of my mind though.

Would probably drive into some thing due to constantly checking it's still attached.
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 I purchased a SeaSucker Talon Rack two weeks ago and successfully drove for 12+ hours last weekend. About 3-4 hours at a time doing up to 95 mph and averaging about 80 mph. I was sketched out at first but after a few hours of driving I realized how SOLID the rack is. I would ONLY recommend mounting to windshield, sunroof, or rear glass NOT metal body panels. Also the nice thing about the suction cups mounted to the windows are that you can constantly view that it IS holding its suction (there is a little meter in the pump portion. I was going camping so my car was packed full and the rack did its job perfectly driving from CT to NH. Picture of it below.

Yes bike theft could be a problem but they sell a loop hook that you can close in your door and lock your bike that way and I don't plan on leaving a $5k+ bike on any rack for any period of time anyway. The suction cups come right off with just a flick of the finger.

www.pinkbike.com/photo/10110385
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 Thats a point , I wonder if you would invalidate your windscreen insurance having those on there ?

And what if you drive down bumpy fire roads to get to your trails ? surely there is a chance it will punch through the window as it's not designed to have loads placed upon it
  • + 3
 Windshields are extremely strong, they definitely will not break if you have a few bikes mounted to it. Also you won't realize how good these things grip onto glass until you try and pull it off yourself, with all your strength. It's impossible!

That being said, it's not for everyone. But if you are in a bind and have no room in your car and either can't put a hitch on your car OR your car (like mine) doesn't have a compatible roof rack for it, it works great.
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 It's pointless because you have to remove the front wheel of your bike in order to put it on the rack. The whole purpose of a bike rack is to be able to transport your bike without needing to disassemble it. If I had to take the front wheel off every time I wanted to transport my bike, I'd rather just put it in the trunk.
  • + 1
 My buddy has one and each trip it gets loaded down with his steel Surly, My Dartmoor Hornet, and his son's P2. The things hold like a champ. Great customer service to boot. Just every 3-4 hours just give the plungers a go to check pressure. Sure beat the crap out of the Saris rack that I have.
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 Many rooftop racks require you take off your front wheel carrot-top. The convenience here is that you don't need actual crossbars, or a devoted rack setup while still being able to transport the bikes outside of the car. If I didn't have a truck, I'd think about them. They're the smallest rack available, it's a great solution to a minimalist rack requirement.
  • + 1
 @Carrot-Top that is not always the purpose of a rack. It is a space saver when you have no room in the trunk to put a bike.
  • + 0
 Pickup, tailgatepad and a big fat chain bolted to the chassis and looping through the frames. Car and bikes are a flawed concept.
  • + 2
 After I've seen how (mostly) reliable the GoPro suction mount is @ speeds up to 100mph, I don't feel too sketched out about these. To me personally though, I still would never drive without having some kind of safety rope attached to the frame just in case of that 1% error happens..weather/heat expansion, cross-winds, deep potholes/off-road, swerving/avoiding other drivers, etc.
  • + 1
 I got the Sea Sucker as well and love it, my car and bike doesn't fit very easy and these gave me a great solution. I drove many miles and up to 90MPH without problem, like some say here is better to have fixed at least one cup to a windshield or sunroof, but I think is more like physiologic matter than real matter. I just love mine and easy to store also.
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 Yes ^ the only reason why I say mount to glass is because if you fully mount it to metal body panels (it will hold still) but if you go past a certain speed you hear the metal depress kind of like when you lean on your hood or step on your roof. It does't sound pretty and I'm sure it could cause problems. Better to stay mounted to solid glass.
  • + 2
 @Carrot-Top

They came out with their first tire on rack. Still not certain I would trust it but there it is - www.seasucker.com/shop/hornet/#tab-description
  • + 1
 Loving my Yakima roof rack with RockyMounts racks!!
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 HAHS lmao im on. The same page what should we do!?
  • + 1
 I have two seasuckers and have had them for over2 years now.never have had a problem with them and I've driven80+mph on the way to Moab. By far the best and most versatile rack I've owned.
  • + 2
 You should check out their marketing video. They rally in a Mustang, and stick a couple bikes on a NASCAR.

youtu.be/fBK8pUPWu2A
  • + 1
 Im sure they work perfectly, but just one thing, would they attach properly if the surface is wet? I know suckers for other things dont so that would be my only worry.
  • + 2
 Over last weekend It also rained pretty heavily on the east coast during my drive up and I too had that question. They recommend that you moisten the area before hand. Apparently they work better in the wet because the water fills the irregularities and imperfections on mounting surface. You can read about that below

www.seasucker.com/rain-rain-go-away-or-not
  • + 1
 They recommend to get the area wet before install, just some water from the bottle before and after ride is enough, also these are not suction cups, these are vacuum cups, very different, each cup can hold @45pounds if I'm not wrong. Also I used mine in the rain an no problem, the water doesn't come in the cup or get loose because are very hard. I was afraid as many here but I just gave a try and love it.
  • + 1
 They do look a bit wierd
  • + 2
 I'm quite sure they have done their homework and all is well but... what about theft of the bike and whole system? Just wondering.
  • + 1
 @spicy-mike, go on YouTube and you can see videos of gopros held onto plane wings going at speeds of more than 300kph with their standard suction mount. Whilst the concept seems kinda sketch I'd have no problems trusting the suction bike racks to do their job.
  • + 1
 My booth is right across from these guys, from all the people I watched pulling on them during the show one suction cup came off and knocked a guys beer a little. he was putting it up one handed so I think its fair to say they work great! I'm getting a set at the end of the show.
  • + 1
 Can't see it even being legal. It might be fine if following the instructions properly, if you're careful, if a cup leaks, or you hit a hard bump I just see things going badly. So it lasted for a few hours. If you leave it on the vehicle for days or weeks will air eventually make it's way under the cups? If I'm wrong then great, but a small sample of users paranoid enough to do everything right is not a suitable test to convince me.
  • + 1
 Yeah I'm sure after a few days air would seep into the cups, just like a balloon or a tire would deflate over time. I think if people are questioning its ability to stick to a surface you should attach one (or three like the rack) to a piece of glass and try to pull it off, you won't be able to. That being said, I think some of their videos are a little misleading (for example the drifting mustang one) the people in the video did not clean the surface or moisten the cups before they attached it to the vehicle (which I think is key), nor did they attach the bikes very securely (as you can see them wobbling all around the roof). If you keep attaching and un-attaching these cups without cleaning the surface properly, or the surface is covered in dust I could see it's ability to hold suction being a problem and all the debris weakening the mounting surface of the cups. All I have to say is, if you have a nice bike, and you want to keep it, follow the instructions are attach them properly (don't attach them the way the people do in the drifting mustang video do).
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 I like that Bell is stepping up their game in both the high end and cost effective end. I don't need to wear a full face all the time (live in FL) so the Transfer 9 looks like a good balance for when I do. That stoker might just be my next helmet though.
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 INVERT THE FRONT FORKS AND DEVERT THE REAR SHOCK!!! LET'S GET NAKED AND SLAUGHTER SOMETHING!!!
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  • + 9
 Fat bikes have gone full suspension... They clearly now need to be made with 29 inch wheels and be fitted with a dropper post
  • + 4
 With the extra girth of the fat tire they already are 29er.
  • + 3
 And here we have the 29er fat bike... surlybikes.com/bikes/krampus
  • + 1
 Haha, I had no idea. Thanks for the link peakish
  • + 1
 You're welcome Smile
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  • + 9
 Giro helmets lookn real good
  • + 1
 Camo design is awesome!
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  • + 4
 I am wondering if I get the sea sucker.. I could strap the girlfriend to that while my bike rides in the car.... if the cups come loose...at least the bike is protected....problem solved!
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  • + 7
 Dat Transition!
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 You know what's irritating? People replying to the first comment just so their comment will be higher up on the page, and yet have nothing to do with that guy talked about, end rant. Also Smith helmet should die!
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  • + 6
 love the sidewalls on the ardents
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  • + 5
 those smith helmets are the ugliest thing i've ever seen Big Grin
  • + 2
 Yes but think how enviro-friendly you are supporting your own bee colony!
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  • + 1
 that suction cup rack looks intresting to me. my vehicle has no tow hook and i dont want to put anything on the paint, 09 CTS-V. i could mount it on my moonroof window and rear window. I'll be paying those seasucker folks a visit soon
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  • + 5
 I'm so gonna get that Camo Xar.....reminds me of my Digital Camo Xen.
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  • + 4
 I wonder if that Smith got an official license from Lucas Films for that awkward star trooper helmet thingie?
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  • + 2
 I really wish I could go to a demo bike day. Out here, they have a surfboard demo day, and I have bought my last three boards from them. They are really worth it.
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  • + 1
 I don't care how light a helmet is. How much protection can a super light helmet offer? Maybe its just marketing hype, but I like the MIPS technology that POC and Scott offer.
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 Awesome stuff, I would love to be out there demoing new bikes at Bootleg than here pretending to work! Come on weekend!
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  • + 4
 Full Sus fat bike... I AM SOLD
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  • + 1
 i really tried to leave you PB - lasted a day i think. pathetic. maybe next time i have a temper tantrum i'll pick a non-interbike week. sigh.
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  • + 1
 Maxxis if your tab walled Seth's don't come out in a week I'm going to spontaneously combust, and you will have my blood on your hands.
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  • + 2
 Never get sick at looking at Graves SB66
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 Hi everyone, sorry to bother around, but I'm looking to help me win the jersey of Marcelo Gutierrez, just have to vote at this link on Facebook, in my comment Camilo Triviño, thanks.

bit.ly/18vuc6F
  • + 4
 That's a coincidence, I'm looking to win the lottery. Could you buy me a ticket?
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 I demoed this bike yesterday. beauty build. when I asked marzocchi to set the spring rate. the guy leaned back looked me up and down and said "its perfect, because its only one we got" then started laughing. anyone else tired of giving marzocchi chance after chance? worst riding bike of the show, and only because they didn't take even one min to set it up for me. bummer
  • + 1
 That's a shame because the Moto shock looks pure moto. I'd give them a chance to put one on my bike I tell thee.
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  • + 0
 put the suction cups on the back of your drift car and your £8k road bike on the suction cups you know have a £8k spoiler that can be used if the car breaks down.
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  • + 1
 whats the deal with all these fat tired bikes? is this the new fad of 2013?? i just dont see the market of these.
  • + 3
 You are Canadian! So you must have seen snow in your life. I can't even imagine how perfect a fat bike would be after a nice big snowstorm. While everyone is shovelling snow and getting stuck in their vehicles you are riding your fat bike around. I mean I don't want to spend the money on one so I just zip tie my tires or screw drywall screws into them but still.
  • + 3
 Fat bikes are realy cool. I've been riding one for a year now, and there is definitly a market for them. Maybe not as your primary bike but in some conditions they are a blast to ride. One of the thing I like most is the lack of maintenance! Tire pressure and chain lube. In the mud, in the snow, on sand, in rock and root infested trails, that's realy cool to ride. My trail bike is on a rebuild process and I sticked to my Pugsley for 3 weeks in a row, and I had lots of fun!
At last, Fat can make you fit ! : )
The most important thing about those bikes is the tire choice. I tried Endomorph's, Larry's, Vee Rubber's Mission 4.0, and at last the Surly Nate's. That last one is my tire of choice. Tons of grip.
  • + 1
 I was to have only one bike it would be a Fatty a little slow but tons of fun.
  • + 1
 Aren't they really hard to get going though? I mean, even running 2.5" Schwalbes on flat ground is an effort.
  • + 2
 May be a bit, but the way tires comform to the terrain and the inertia inherent to the final wheel size make the roll over stuff really easily. Also, the fact that there's no suspension and the low pressure tires make the bike easy to "pop". At least for me. I wieght 190lbs and I've got some stenght too. For me Fat = Fun.
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 That Ti full suspension fat bike seems to be using a full floater suspension system.
  • + 1
 the pivot is on the chainstay not the rear axle though.
  • + 7
 Its a horst link 4-bar with a full floating shock, and I WANT ONE.

Full floater shock mounting was invented by Don Richardson and used on Suzuki motocross bikes in the late 70s/early 80s. He later sued and won against them for patent infringement when he got his patent and they kept using it without paying for it. He's also the guy who actually invented and patented Inertia-Valve dampers first (not Fox/Specialized). He's also a genius for using mass-tuned vibration dampers to tame the handlebar buzz you get on motorcycles.

Check out Don's companies...

store.ricorshocks.com/default.asp

www.vibranator.com
  • + 4
 thanks for the info dee8. you're like the encyclopedia of bikes here. keep it up!
  • + 1
 The early 80's Suzukis with full floater would still be competitive with modern suspension with modern valving and spring rates. They were that good.
  • + 1
 I have a Fusion Whiplash 7" bike with that same suspension setup.. .. floating horst link
  • + 1
 My dad still has a GSX550 from 1985 with Full Floater suspension. I thought the term was being ripped off by the MTB world. Thanks for the education.
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 I want no NEED that transition with the new Marz moto kit. Looks SICK!!
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 love the look of the stoker, might have to get one when they come out Smile
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 There it is, a full suspension fatty! Yep that's what she said.
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 Transition TR450 looks like pulse
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 suction cup bike racks?! sketchy....
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 hoping to read more about that instigator
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 Is the mobile the only site without text? What is the first bike pictured?
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 We have lost suction! Oh and the bike too. And possibly the window as well. Damn.
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 wonder how the new 380 rides, but the colors arent that appealing
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 notice the full susp Fatty bike is Titanium...you know for all us folks with an extra $8k in our pockets...
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 "Surly you can't be serious...I am serious, and thin tyres aren't for me"
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 anyone else think those bell full face helmets look cheesy and cheap?
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