POC, Lizard Skins, and FSA - Interbike 2013

Sep 19, 2013 at 23:00
Sep 19, 2013
by Mike Levy  
 
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POC's Crane Pure dirt jump lid looks very much like the higher-end Crane that it's modelled after, but the Swedish brand has managed to bring it in at a lower $70 USD price by forgoing the size adjustable harness for a more standard strap layout. They two models are visually identical from the outside, though, with a thin in-molded shell that gives the helmet a lower profile shape than most similarly styled helmets, and they are both
constructed from the same dual density EPS foam. POC says that the dual density make-up allows for a sort of progressive impact resistance, with a stiffer outer layer that absorbs high energy impacts, and softer inner foam to handle low energy strikes. The Crane Pure is available in seven standard colours, as well as the Martin Söderström pro model pictured above that sports a caricature of his dog.

We move from head protection to back protection with a look at POC's VPD 2.0 Spine Pack 15, a backpack that features integrated back protection via POC's shock absorbing VPD 2.0 foam. The smartly integrated VPD section slips into a channel pocket inside the bag, and it can be easily slipped out from the top if you are wanting to use the Spine Pack as a regular bag. As its name suggests, there is 15L of storage capacity, as well as an expanding helmet pouch that can be stuffed up and out of sight into a small zippered pocket at the bottom of the bag, and while POC has built-in both a bladder sleeve and hanger, you'll have to pick one up separately as the bag does not come stock with one. MSRP $175 USD.

VPD 2.0 Spine Pack 15 Details

• POC's VPD 2.0 back protection
• 15L of storage
• Height adjustable, heavy duty waist band
• Helmet pouch (fits full face helmet)
• Heat molded back with mud shedding top fabric
• Separate compartments for back protector, hydration pouch, tool kit, tubes, pump
• MSRP: $175 USD

www.pocsports.com




Interbike

Lizard Skins recently released their new DSP non-locking grips, a product that certainly confused some people given that lock-on grips are so convenient and obviously rule the roost right now. Why would you ever run a non-locking grip? Lizard Skins says that comfort and durability set the DSP grips apart, especially considering that many of the current ultra-thin locking grips are nothing more than a wispy coating of rubber over a hard plastic barrel, a combo that can sometimes feel a bit unforgiving during a long day in the saddle. Their DSP grips are made from two different components, with a foam base layer that acts to absorb vibrations, and their grippy DuraSoft Polymer (that's the DSP bit) as an outer contact layer. In order to prevent the dreaded throttle grip from occurring, a tacky "feather-lite lock tape" is used, although that does mean that you'll have to cut the grips off when the time comes to make a change. Is that such a big deal now that the large majority of our controls attach to the handlebar by way of split or hinged clamps? That's for you to decide, but Lizard Skins believes that some riders are ready to put comfort and durability ahead of convenience now that grips don't have to be removed when changing brakes or shifters.

Lizard Skins offers their DSP grips in two different diameters - 30.3mm and 32.3mm - and both measure in at 130mm long. Weight weenies take note: the thinner diameter weighs just 27 grams per set, and the thicker only 30 grams, with those weights including plugs and the double sided mounting tape. Eight different colours are available, so you shouldn't have trouble finding something that either matches or clashes, depending on what you want. While Lizard Skins is putting a lot of emphasis on these new DSP grips, they also want you to know that they still offer a number of standard lock-on grips as well for those who don't want to give up the ability to easily slide their grips on and off.

Interbike

Lizard Skins is all about contact points, so it makes sense that they would offer a wide range of gloves. We liked the look of their rather basic Monitor 3.0, a stripped down glove that isn't adorned with anything that isn't required. That means a single-layer palm, no knuckle or hand protection to be found on their tops, and a simple pull-on elastic cuff design that doesn't employ a hook and loop strap. Their fingers come pre-articulated, though, and reinforcements at the thumb/hand junction should make for a durable design.

www.lizardskins.com





FSA's $289 USD Afterburner brakes are a less expensive alternative to their high-end, $369 USD K-Force stoppers that we showed you while at Crankworx, but don't let the lower price fool you, as they utilize the exact same technology but forgo the carbon fiber lever blades and titanium hardware for aluminum and steel. Adjustments include both reach and and free-stroke, with both dials being positioned out of harms way to limit the chance of damaging them in crash, and they mount via handy split perches. Anyone who has had trouble figuring out an ergonomic setup when mixing shifters, brakes, and a dropper post lever from different brands will also appreciate the lengths FSA has gone to in order to create a compact master cylinder, with the whole setup looking remarkably small compared to a lot of other options on the market. At the other end, the two piston, post mount caliper features top loading pads of FSA's own design.

There are also a few details that aren't as obvious to the eye, including the slightly stiffer hose used for the rear brake line that FSA says helps to create a more even brake feel when comparing front and rear modulation. This is done by employing a slightly stiffer plastic inner liner, as well as a different sheath layup for the middle layer in contrast to the front brake line. A look inside the lever body also reveals that FSA has placed the brake's timing ports closer to the primary seal than the norm, a setup that makes for less dead-band compared to other brakes on the market.


FSA is well aware that Shimano and Avid have the lion's share of the brake marketplace, but the company is adamant that there is not only room for another manufacturer, but also that they are approaching the situation from a different angle than the competition from the get-go. Despite the new Afterburner and K-Force brakes not even being in consumer's hands yet, they are already a number of tech how-to videos to watch, and testers have had the brakes in their hands for evaluation for quite some time now. FSA's plan is to lay down the groundwork before they release the brakes to consumers, meaning that mechanics will be well versed in maintenance, and distributors will already be fully stocked with spare parts. We're hoping to get on a set of Afterburner test brakes soon, and you'll be able to read a review of them once we've spent some proper trail time putting them to the test.

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70 Comments

  • + 181
 FSA brakes :l hope they dont live up to their name
  • + 52
 bazinga.
  • + 90
 Rebrand: Full Stop Ahead.

Situation avoided.
  • + 13
 Haha Full Speed Ahead brakes, because going slow is for pussies! That can't be working in their favor...
  • + 35
 You guys know that when you pull a FSA Brake nothing happens except a Female voice appears and says: "Dont be such a Sissy, FULL SPEED AHEAD!"
  • + 25
 Why does anyone other than Shimano bother making brakes?
  • + 12
 why does anyone bother using brakes? Life is about going with the flow, you don't want something that is going to slow you down or stop your momentum. Brah. #hipsterlife
  • + 11
 Brakeless , brainless, is what's up #hipsterlife for sure.
  • - 13
 racerfacer - why does shimano bother trying to make better brakes than Formula The Ones?
  • + 15
 Sweatypants: Shimano does make better brakes than Formula. At least in terms of value, reliability, consistency, and maintenance.
  • + 31
 Avid brakes suck.
  • + 17
 who needs brakes when you have feet, just Flintstones that shit!
  • + 4
 shimano or formula thats it
  • + 0
 Avid X0 trail brakes are up there with the best I've used. Nicer feel than shimano saints and no noticeable fade yet.
  • + 2
 I have codes and love them. I prefer the feel of them to saints and formula the ones.
  • - 4
 I quite like my Avids. Personal preference I guess.

@Pendsocks, I would hope that you just hear Chopper Reid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unkIVvjZc9Y
  • + 2
 With my 120 pound weight and gravity fueled adrenaline I don't care bout brakes.
  • + 3
 shimano> than any other brakes
  • + 5
 wow, $289 is now a "lower price" than something??? when did this happen? I'd rather get SLX's for $150 thank you very much.
  • - 3
 Avid code r are ok till they brake... pun intended i fried my front one And customer service is supposed to be good yet again they fucked up n sent the wrong year n side.. for me if the next one fails im done with avid n sticking to shimano....
  • + 2
 I think people are taking for granted the performance of the current shimano brakes. The last generation were low power with lousy modulation. I don't have the new shimano brakes, but the reviews are consistently excellent.
  • + 1
 Last generation XT 775 had been just fine. 4-pot BR-M755 (introduced in 2000?) before that had been the best ones out there as well. IIRC that was there first offering. 765 was a bit of a letdown, as well as 965 XTR level, but still more than adequate. What generation are you talking about?
  • + 5
 I dont know why I'm getting neg props for saying X0 brakes are good. Everyone I know runs them and ive heard no complaints about them.
  • - 2
 because you dont know what youre talking about...
  • + 1
 My XO trails are really good, I prefer them to any of the Shimano line, but the Shimano Saints are really nice too.
  • + 0
 never had a problem with prime pros
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  • + 19
 That dog that's on that helmet is trippin me out big time!
  • + 8
 and i was allways wondering, why he had that dog picture on hes redbull fullface helmet Big Grin
www.pinkbike.com/photo/10017830
  • + 3
 Good eyes my friend!
  • + 3
 wiener dog fetish ?
  • + 9
 I'm confused as to why the dog is sniffing its ass and licking its lips......
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  • + 11
 Those grips are sick, kind of like an oldy but a goody, but a newer oldy... technologically wise
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  • + 12
 P.O.C Stands for Prices too Outlandish for Chumps like us
  • + 4
 I once wanted to have POC, but the prices... even the jersey cost so much, more than TLD, and TLD is know for its prices.
  • + 4
 $170 for a hydration pack with no bladder? I would laugh if it wasn't so sad and wasn't a growing trend in this industry.
  • + 4
 VPD back protection is a big chunk of the price, but hey it's just your body...
  • + 2
 You don't think they could have included a decent bladder for that price? You think it would have killed em?
  • + 2
 EVOC dont give bladders either. I actually think the bag is semi reasonable. Not cheap but definitely not as outlandishly priced as their other stuff.
  • + 1
 Oh @becky, poc do not research/develop/produce bladders, other companies do however. Therefore poc would of been forced to buy and sell it to us and the value would not benefit us.
  • + 1
 i own the 25L one, and it has saved my back 2 times when crashed in rockgardens. Also it fits nicely and 3L bladder, 2 spear tubes, shockpump, tyre pump, lots of tools/food and an fullface helmet.
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  • + 9
 FSA got tired of having a reputation for making products that all break. So they made the Afterburner and Kforce, they promise those wont brake at all.
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  • + 3
 I think the problem that FSA is going to have is that there's quite a few proven brakes already made from the excellent Shimano lines to the exotic Italians Formula and the no nonsense ultra reliable Magura. I think their price point is way to high and unproven to justified that asking price. Even Avids are starting to be reliable once again. Wrong market at the wrong time.
  • + 2
 magura reliable?
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 "why would you ever run a non locking grip" you say? Frankly, I HATE lock on grips. The plastic core adds unnecessary girt, takes away from some of the cushioning, and the aluminum collars feel terrible underhand (for me anyway). I'll stick to my favorite, Oury's, ODI Longnecks, or if I have to be a weight weenie, ESI's
  • + 1
 Loaded noslips have a semi-flexible inner core, and very little girth. they can get away with not having a stiff , thick inner core because their lock-on system doesn't work the same way as ODIs. ODIs was good, but it's something like 20 years old, and there's better ways to do lock on now.
  • + 1
 i've seperated the rubber from the plastic core on lockout grips before so then my hand was free to rotate the grip while holding on tight. shit is stupid. a little bit of hair spray or some 3M spray mount glue on the inside of your slip on grip, and its never coming loose.
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  • + 6
 Soderstrom's helmet is a sick color
  • + 3
 everything belongs to Soderstrom is sick...
  • + 12
 I hope his dog isn't
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  • + 4
 sick helmet! 'gotta get a hot dog a-a-a-a-after the cluuub!"
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  • + 1
 that's a pretty sharp looking helmet, and not a bad price for something that gets a lot of use. I like the pattern on the lizard skin gloves but they look more like gardening gloves than proper mtb protection.
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  • - 1
 FSA has nothing to offer. Only two pistons. Not a low price. They are counting on user serviceability to take over? I dont know anyone that cant bleed and service their own brakes allready. Saints are still my faviort but i know some people that like the elixers and aome that love formulas... maybe there is a spot for them after all.. just not on any of my bikes
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  • + 2
 The fsa brakes aren't as sketchy when it comes to brand name when compared to ZOOM disc brakes.
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  • + 2
 Why would anyone get a helmet with a wiener dog sniffing it's own butt on it? Maybe some people are into that.
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  • + 1
 if thin lock on grips feel ike plastic from the thin rubber then how is non lock on any better? it's thin rubber over metal
  • + 1
 Because they're thicker rubber over foam then metal is the idea.
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  • - 2
 Why not actually take them out of the packing and try on the gloves?

The compact master cylinder on the brakes reminds me of SRAM brakes...not a good thing. Not much oil means overheated brakes on long descents and air in the system as a result.

I'm still waiting for the FSA 12 speed group I was told about years ago:

forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?p=67792
  • + 5
 Are you telling me the fluid boils all they way from the caliber to the reservoir? Overheated brakes boil in the caliper, the master cylinder size has nothing to do with it.
  • - 1
 Then why is the expansion bladder in the lever on most brakes?
  • + 1
 Because the increase in volume pushes the fluid up the hoses?
  • + 1
 i feel like it would affect the entire line. the fluid would have to be pushed up, thats why elixir 1s get stiffer as you ride them. Also this is why shimano uses ceramic pistons in there calipers, ceramic is an insulator, so it keeps that shitty heat out. genius!
  • + 1
 The oil boils in the caliper but as you continue to use the brakes on a long descent it goes into the hoses and eventually mixes with the cooler oil in the master cylinder. So my answer is yes to your initial question. The more oil in the system the cooler the oil stays overall on long descents and the less likely you are to have overheating to the point that air is forced into the system.
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  • + 1
 when i saw the poc bag the first what i did is see the price hahaha
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  • + 1
 Oh dear, the fsa brake puns are already coming in.
  • + 7
 was barely a pun
  • + 8
 yes, he should lever to the pros.
  • + 7
 take a brake everybody! and stop howling.
  • + 5
 I'm bleeding you to stop.
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  • + 1
 I have been waitining all year on a new 200 dollar bookbag "sweet"
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  • + 1
 brakes are death
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