As anyone who has "owned" a dog can attest to, they don't call them man's best friend for nothing. In fact, ask any dog owner about their pooch and you'll likely hear them gush on and on about why their own special Fido is so great, and that the dog is part of the family rather than something that is owned. Hell, I know people who have more photos of their dog in their wallet or on their phone than they have of their own kids. The sense of companionship and unconditional love is both strong and simply different than what you have with a partner, and it doesn't fade after a few years of being together, either - dogs don't care if you plugged the toilet, would rather watch Supercross than the Gilmore Girls, and they most certainly don't want to spend a Saturday in Ikea picking out new fixtures. Some food, some exercise, and more than a few ass scratches and you'll have a resolute friendship for life, which is why it might be so difficult to write today's Pinkbike Poll article about if our canine companions really do belong on popular mountain bike trails.
Nearly 600,000 views on Pinkbike of the 'Lily Shreds Trailside' video (
featured again below) proves that we all like the idea of a dog coming along for the ride, but the flip side is that many of us have come across dogs on the trail and have had a bad experience, sometimes even a dangerous one.
Lily Shreds Trailside
Filmed and edited by Rossimo37Being chased down the trail by your dog is the kind of experience that's hard to explain without using clichéd, mushy terms about bonding, fulfillment, and love, but that's really how it is. There's a good chance that your dog has never felt as free as when he or she is high tailing through the trees, jumping the same jumps as you, and taking French enduro lines to try and keep up, or maybe even go for a dirty pass. And, in a way, the same can be said of the dog owner. There's something about letting your hound off-leash to run at full tilt in the wild that brings a big stupid smile to a human's face as well, and it definitely goes well beyond providing exercise, doesn't it? Maybe it's the letting them revert to being an animal in the bush, a real animal acting off of instinct rather than the desire for a Milk-Bone, before jumping forward fifteen or twenty thousand years of domestication to the present day where they pass out at 7pm while you're watching the Gilmore Girls... or Supercross. Domestication or not, most dogs
love to get out on the trail as much as their human does, often waiting by the door as soon as there's a mere hint of a chance of singletrack in their future. Many of us admit to feeling like we belong on the trails, but just imagine how our four legged friends feel on the subject given that, relative to the evolution of other species, they aren't that far removed from the grey wolves from which they came. The singletrack, the forest, the wild; it's still an instinctual thing for them that hasn't faded away over thousands of years as it has in us.
Projekt Roam's Colt Maule and his dog enjoy the Whoops trail in Bend, Oregon. Photo by Projekt RoamIf the dogs love it, and if their human companions love it, why would anyone ever frown on having dogs on the trails? There are the obvious reasons often cited by overprotective dog owners who can be seen in the park with their sweater-wearing pugs, things like the high-speed running being bad for their joints - certainly a valid concern depending on the dog's age and breed - or that a muddy dog needs to be bathed before it gets the carpets dirty - maybe they should consider a cat, then? But what about the safety of both the dog and the people out on the trail? Alright, confession time: many years ago I hit and killed a dog when mountain biking down a fast, open section of trail. It was a terrible moment, one that I'll never forget, and I think about it at least a few times a week when I'm out walking my own dog, although it must have been much worse for the dog's owner who watched it all play out. There was no avoiding the mid-sized black lab when he ran out in front of me, and I must have been doing at least 35kph when I T-boned him hard enough to send the dog flying, barely managing to keep myself upright long enough to avoid most of the large cedar trees close by. The dog's death was a terrible thing, but I also don't need reminding that it could have easily been very bad for myself. In fact, I've crashed at least twice since that day due to a dog being on the trail, and I've had a front row seat as dogs have stood on transitions of jumps and drops only to move out of the way at the last second, thereby causing the approaching rider to change their approach. It wouldn't have been pretty, and the sight has been enough to convince me to only take out Sherpa, my own dog, rarely during weekdays, and on trails that don't see much traffic. That's too bad because she loves it, but I don't want to see her get hurt or, more importantly, cause an accident that hurt a fellow rider.
It's not the dog's fault, though, is it? A dog is only as well behaved as it's been trained to be, and if the owner is lazy or hasn't taken control the dog can't be expected to know what to do when it's out there. There is also the simple fact that, despite all the countless hours of training, yelling, rewarding, and enjoyment, your beloved friend is still a dog that will act on instinct and curiosity no matter how many years you've spent on the trail together. The key is obviously to use discretion, to think about not taking your dog out to a busy trail on a Saturday or Sunday afternoon, and to maybe leave the dog at home if it's going to be a large group, as much as it hurts to leave Fido behind when he knows that you'll be doing the one thing that his instincts tell him to do - run wild in the forest.
Start with trail walks getting her to follow behind you and then solo rides when you know she will stay with you and work from there. Had a couple Collies and they run mean. Best training partner I ever had
had problems with herding dogs chasing me in attack mode (4 of them) and biting my shoes (ankle) , so i bought some Sabre Red one squirt and most dogs loose interest but for the more persistent dogs get them in the nose area and presto no dog!.
when a dog is on attack mode it stops being a pet!.
For my dog, I have a harness for me (fits around my chest, right near my centre of gravity) that uses a locking carabiner to a retractable 20' leash, to a running harness on the dog. She runs in front and I taught her "straight", "left" and "right" for navigational purposes. Works great and keeps her close enough and the leash sits high enough that it doesn't get caught up in my bars.
It helps that she's half Greyhound and can easily run >40 kph in a sprint, and can do 20 or 25km in a ride/run ...
Sorry, I'm not risking my health and potentially thousands of dollars of hospital bills just to protect a bad owner's dog from himself. Other peoples' shortcomings are not my concern.
Also as someone else said, Collies are relentless and will carry on even when injured. A couple times my dogs have cut their paws quite badly, but will just carry on running and running so you've got to keep an eye on them. I now make them wear boots when riding as there is a lot of flint and sharp rocks out there. I also make them wear a harness in case at any point they need to go on a lead so won't pull at their neck collars. The harness also has a kestrel bell on so you can always hear them even if you can't see them.
And I think they get more excited than me when they see the mountain bike coming out of the garage since they know they are going to go for a ride!
I think it is better and safer to train your dog to follow behind you, problems are less likely to happen.. It also teaches the dog control since he won't feel like the alpha so much if he isn't leading and he is less likely to do something stupid.
I don't like when there is a group ride and some riders with slower dogs just take off first and say "if my dog gets in your way just teach him a lesson." No, I'm not going to intentionally hit your dog. love dogs on the trail but some of the owners who don't bother with training are a reckless danger.
I had a horse get in my way today as well, he now has new markings...
Even in retarded-ass Florida.
If you never experienced riding with trained dog . I can say its superb, extraordinary experience. My dog love it and I love it. But for many riders who are not common with dogs its simply not safe.
In mouintains - Holly yes!
In Parks - no way!
Thats the GORC . He even smoke cigarets...
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Stop letting mainstream media continue leading you by the nose, educate yourself.
12 minutes of your time www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCkL9UlmCOE#t=191
There's a huge difference between serving hot coffee and coffee hot enough to cause 3rd degree burns in seconds.
Wake up, mainstream media is all about getting you to tune in, they forgot about the truth and facts a long time ago.
Society needs more critical thinking and responsible individuals. Sure, she was parked and not driving, but two facts never changed: she spilled the coffee all by herself, and she knew it was hot. In the end, she was the only one responsible. At least that's how I see it. And I'll teach my kids to own up to their own mistakes, and be responsible for their own actions. Paying attention goes a long way.
@danrowe, I think you're absolutely right. We spend so much time lowering ourselves to the lowest common denominator rather than trying to raise awareness to improve outcomes. Personally, I find it alarming how people are so willing to accept this type of behaviour, and even worse how many people justify it.
@ TheDude88: A little poo on the trail is fine. We have other animals living in the woods who refuse to use porter potties, so a dog is no big deal. Granted the owner should knock it off the trail when he or she notices, but all the same, it isn't the end of the world.
When riding you get messy. Poo is sometimes an unfortunate side effect.
Unless you are that guy who is more interested in having a clean rig and brand new kit than you are in riding hard.
". . .My bike's clean my kit is brand new, I'm fast, faster than you. . ."
Don't be that guy.
Herein lies the rub for me. I have ridden with probably the best trail dog ever, and love it. No issues, ever. I've also ridden on trails near residential areas, with posted leash laws, where nearby residents regularly walk their dogs unleashed, leaving their piles of filth right on the trail tread. It's not worth it to ride there. Dog shit absolutely ruins otherwise good trails.
You can't allow trail dogs and disallow unleashed dog walking. It's hypocrisy. So, if it comes down to allowing trail dogs AND unleashed walking, or disallowing ALL dogs... Sorry, but Fido gotta go.
Also, when I see dogs I stop and pet them (assuming they aren't trying to kill me) and chat amiably with the owner. If we act like members of the same community then they tend to complain less about the bikers to the state trail ruining crew.
In the DC area I heard a weird story though. Because of cut backs they removed a garbage can from a trail head. Suddenly people were leaving little plastic bags full of crap along the trail. !!?? Why bag it? Why not knock it off trail and be done with it? Are people so dumb they think they are doing someone a favor? Seriously, the stuff breaks down over the course of a few weeks. I know it is gross, but the leaves will bury it and the ants will feed it to their grubblings.
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Always take him when I go XC, never runs after other riders ... only problem is that sometimes he starts barking at me when I take a rest... impatient little f*cker.
JMH
This dog is alive and well, but my brother doesn't take her out anymore.
My dog stays glued to my rear tire (he actually hits his face on it if I stop too fast). That said, my cousin's dog runs to the top of every trail feature and stops, forcing you to brake hard. She is not a good bike dog.
You know that makes you a POS, right?
Assuming you answered 'yes' to the above; why are you okay with that?
There's some things to be aware of though:
1. You HAVE to teach them to stay behind you! It's not easy, but once you do so, they won't get in front of you on a technical section.
2. Always try to take them to more secluded places, and if on weekends at 'off-hours'.
3. Don't push it too much, I love my dogs and don't want to see them hurt, you gotta learn when to take it easy so they don't get over worked.
Where I live we don't have any poisonous snakes or tons of thorns fortunately!
Personally I quite like stuff like this - random opinions humanize a website that could be just bland fact reporting, and we all interact with each other. Clearly it's something people are happy discussing by the number of comments on here...
Would I take my dog to a bike park, no.
Would I take my dog to a DH race and let her off the lead, no.
Would I let my dog wander onto a trail when people are shreading, no.
Oh, and all poo should be collected. It doesn't matter if you are in the woods. pick it up.
I can see how many wouldn't think it's a big deal if they have never been hurt or had a damaged bike because of a unleashed dog encounter.
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To Hatton: Dude, have a heart. I've never been victimized by a dog, but I know people with lifelong scars on their faces as a result of a dog attack. Some people have very good reason to be afraid of dogs, whether you agree or not. Also, dogs are unpredictable (and stupid). Most dogs that force me off the trail are barking mad because they don't understand this thing that is a person on a bike. Generally they don't calm down until I get of the bike and take off my helmet and sunglasses- then it registers that I'm just another person.
I only ride with him on trails that are dog/bike friendly.
When I do come across another rider:
- I get him to the side so the rider can pass in either direction.
- Tell the other rider he is SUPER friendly.
- If the other rider loves dogs... we have a HOWDY session!
- If the rider looks worried or pissed I keep the dog clear.
As for poop? I agree but I have SPRAYED racoon and other poops across my legs, bike and back. We are in the woods right? That being said... I don't let him poop right on the trail.
Problems I have had with dogs:
-Other dog owners with aggressive dogs that make NO OFFER to warn me that their dog wants to kill my dog. Not cool at all.
-Dogs that are spooked by bikes.
Just a side note. When everyone gets uptight about something "fun" gets taken away. Thats why trails can close because equestrians and hikers might not like cyclists.
Gotta share responsibly.
I am responsible not only for him but riding with dog I am taking full responsibilty for other riders. If there will be crash ...Thats my issue. If somebody have to stop because of dog...That my issue.
RESPONSIBILTY. Thats the key word! I love to ride with Gorc. He also! But firstly I am thing about other riders. I would be very un happy if I have to make emergency stop on trial because of other dog.
So people please ,thing about others first. Not everybody loves dog! Especialy on triaals!
Gorc says Yeah for IT!
Guess there are many good reasons why one should not ride trails with an unleashed dog. But "Lily Shreds Trailside" is such a kick-ass and awesome video, it makes me think hard. Thanks, Rossimo37 and Mike Levy. Well, maybe someday. In the meantime, we'll do that hill on foot with a leash...
But the best thing about trained trail dog? They don't wear spandex!
Just my .02.
I blame neither the dog, the owner nor myself as it was the Collie's natural reaction but not all incidents of dogs getting in the way is the owners fault. The day you "de-dog" a dog it's just a lump of meat with legs, surely?!
I have come off my bike because of a couple who were walking their Labrador on the trail, as I came off a blind step down I had to "attempt" to bail so I did not land and collide with the dog. It is one of the very few times I have spoken to someone without thinking about how to compose myself, needless to say I made my point. Dog's on trails are a risk, even well trained ones. It is just a matter of time before a incident will happen, could be weeks, months, a year.. But it will happen. I care for my dog to much to put him at extra risk on top of the other hazards out there. Just my 2c.
Before I knew it I had ran straight over its paws and I'm sure it probably got clipped with a pedal (no flat pins), but it still kept chasing me for a leg hump. I had to stop and kick it away before it got tangled up in the spokes or something. It was the most persistent dog ever.
Still haven't seen the owner anywhere.
its not just the risk they pose to themselves and riders but what do owners do with any poo their dogs leave on the trail?
riding solo with her, she's totally fine and man does she love it, l swear she dreams about it.
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Love taking my dog biking. take with large groups of friends too, and she never gets in the way, and my mates love having her along. I make sure she has water, and she only comes when we are out for short rides, but she adores it. Makes me happy, keeps her happy and my mates love her too...
once rolling there great, chasing after me and on occasion getting in my way but they love it and anyone that see's them coming always has a smile on their face (even if the dogs are caked in mud)
I only take them on short rides and don't go too fast as you get worried about if all the running is going to cause any health problems but as long as common sense is used i don't see a problem with taking dogs out with you riding
In Chile, there's no people who have not been a victim of a dog sometime... Including Me :/
Private trail= have at it
it's as much about the dogs safety as people safety.
No because the dog is following it's owner, not the other way around.
Shred the trails with dogs and shred the crap removal as well.
Then everyone benefits.
Meanwhile, my dog has the attention span of a hummingbird on meth; no way I can let her off leash anywhere we're not fenced in.
Everyone hates poop. Regardless of dog or horse. Some places do have laws supposedly to discourage this, but its going to happen. Lighten up. We all have to share unless you have 100+ private acres to tell the world to go to hell.
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Why has nobody mentioned how annoying it is when one runs off and gets lost... In the dark... As my mate's did when we were out on a group ride. We spent an hour looking for that ****. :-)
I was out for a ride this summer and on my way back there was a group of people with their Rotwieller. I saw the dog had a muzzle on so I knew what was going to happen. Sure enough as I passed them the dog flipped out and lunged for me. Good thing the owner was responsible or I would have been an afternoon snack.
If you run it will follow you and possibly get lost and chase ten more people before it gets back to its owner who will leash it when they realize it got out of control. If it is an irish wolf hound it might grab your stupid self and rip you off the bike. Don't make yourself prey!
People have dogs and people have bikes and people have both. Who are you to say one can't come on the trail? Half the reason for most trails so people have a wilderness space to walk with or without their dogs!
Bikes are a nuisance too, ask any horseback rider.
Our trails are all hiking trails so there is allot of foot traffic and allot of people walking with dogs..we use cow bells so we dont kill somebody when coming around a corner at 30mph....most times people are cool and get out of the way but some people are clueless..
I do occasionally take my dog with me..as fast as she is (Australian Shepard) I always drop her on the high speed stuff so she usually stays at home..our trails are also super rocky so I get worried for her when shes pinning it over jagged rocks for 6miles..
I almost never have an issue with him on trails when it comes to people, either hikers or other bikers. The only issues I've ever had are trying to deal with other riders with off-leash dogs that are more aggressive to other dogs. Had three times in the alst 5 years where my dog was correctly waiting at my side while we let another rider and pooch pass, and the other dog tried to go after mine while the owner did all they could to actually reign in the dog before it got bad.
So I would say that not only do you need a well-trained dog that knows how to act around bikes, but you should also consider that you might not be the only one out there with dog on an early morning weekday ride. If the dog isn't friendly with ALL other dogs, keep it on leash.
Mountainbikers, especially those that are prone to going fast downhill and building ileagal trails need to be as welcoming and understanding as possible with all other user groups. I don't take my dog for rides because I know she is not qualified for it, but I'm not going to hold all dog owners accountable for a few bad apples, just like I don't cuss out every hiker just because a few are jerks.
I have rubbed the butt of my dog with my front tire enough times that he works very hard to stay at the rear of the pack. Did that sound dirty?
She is way better than 99% or riders, does not talk sh!t about how good she is, how far she can ride or what she used to ride....
Whe wags her tail, chases the deer away and just loves the day out.
Saying that, I would never take her to a busy tail center, not enough people up here to have one, so not an issue I am gonna face.
I take my 9 year old son out too, since he was 5 he has been coming out.... if he is too slow or cant ride certain bits and you pro's wanna pass.... tough toots, he has the same rights as you. As for my dog.... she is just too cute to shout at.
Safe to say I've never seen him there again. Maybe the message got through his thick head. Or maybe someone who is faster than me and has worse brakes taught him the hard way...
The trail I go on is usually busy has high traffic of fast riders should I leave dog at home or bring him with me?
Is he a hyper people loving mutt or a well behaved tied to my ass kind of dog what won't leave my side unless I give it the ok?
this poll is tough I see some really well behaved dogs what won't chase owner down the trail but off the trail on the side won't get in anyones way then you go the dogs what don't listen worth shit and chases anyone and everyone down barking/howling down to the shuttle zone. (my dog does this very annoying or I take him to a bike/walk trail and people call him over then I get pissed off and then he jumps up then they get mad don't call him over idiots.)
Follow local bylaw and wishes of landowner. Dogs(your dog) can and eventually will cause problems(straight up attacks, triggering serious crashes, drowning themselves, eating porqupines or rotten stuff and then there is the poop) this stuff happens because people who own them let them. One more issue. If you are riding in a consrvation area be aware letting your animal romp into the bush is poor form. It isn't a coarsing ground, this is an area set aside for wildlife. Trying to get into natural setting i'd rather see deer and other animals than some guys dog goin nuts even though that can be entertaining as well. Anyway, be responsible!!
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And here in Czech most of the trails we ride is illegal, for example you are not allowed to ride in forrest on unsigned paths. Due to this fact I believe the right of the dog to run free is the same like the bikers right to ride free (forbbiden there for both).
Of course if situation gets busy on trail (or the trail centers some users talks about upper), the leash is necessarry. Anyway still on eyes
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The only way to Ride! Kramer the 110# Schnauzer.
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Good Times!
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love how the dog jumps the tables instead of running across them.
awesome video!