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Jun 22, 2012 at 0:07
Jun 22, 2012
by Richard Cunningham
 
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Uvex Crow Pro Vario Sunglass

Uvex is a German manufacturer that has been in the protective gear business for as long as I can remember being in the cycling industry. The Uvex line of protective eyewear spans a huge range, from the $169 Crow Pro Vario sport glass in this test, to task-specific eye shields for heavy industry. The Crow Pro Vario is designed for those who want the lightest possible eyewear that offers an unobstructed view and the highest standard of impact protection. 'Vario' refers to the lens' light-reactive tint, which is one of the main reasons that the Uvex sport glass is tested in this feature. The ear stems are tipped with a soft hydrophylic rubber that keeps the glass in place without requiring hooks. Molded-in wires in both the ear-stems and the nose piece ensure that the glass can be fitted to nearly every head or nose shape, and if you have a small head, the Crow Pro comes in a proportionally smaller size. Lenses are interchangeable with the many tints offered for Uvex's standard-issue Crow models. The heavily ventilated wrap-around Crow Pro Vario is said to block 100-percent of UV radiation, it comes in white or black frames and includes a carrying case.
Uvex

Uvex Crow Pro Vario Sport GLasses
(Clockwise) From the front, the Uvex Crow Pro Vario's wraparound lens reveals ample venting and an the fact that its frame is designed to fit the head closely without contact. April gazes into the afternoon sun to demonstrate the light-responsive Vario tint. A closeup of the Crow Pro's soft ear piece. The ear-stems are bendable.


Pinkbike's Take:
bigquotesLight-reactive lenses are quite useful where a rider may often be switching from dark shadows to open country. The speed at which the lens reacts is very important, and in the case of the Crow Pro Vario, it makes the change quickly enough so that most riders will never sense that it is occurring. Where the benefit of the automatic tint plays best, is when a ride ends near twilight. In such cases, the Crow Pro becomes wonderfully transparent and does not hinder the rider's night vision. The bendable ear stems and nose piece are very useful and the internal wires can be bent back without mutilating the sunglass in case the previous attempt was a fail. Once tuned, the glasses feel like they don't exist, with great ventilation and optical clarity. Style wise, however, the Crow Pro Vario is very German - meaning that its designers concentrated upon perfecting its function and let those functional attributes dictate the looks of the glass. Of course, Crow Pro Vario has been tastefully stylized, but its core customers will be shopping to maximize comfort and performance. - RC



Park Tool Advanced Mechanic Tool Kit

Park tool is the first name in professional shop tools and a peg board that bristles with the signature blue handles and labeling suggests that its owner knows a bit about bikes. Park's Advanced Mechanic Tool Kit is a well-appointed starter ensemble that includes a rugged two-tier carry box. Inside are 35 bicycle-specific tools, as well as a tube of synthetic grease, a bottle of chain lube, some emergency tire boots and a glueless patch kit. The Advanced Mechanic kit is filled out with Park's shop-quality selections, so while its $310 USD price may seem high, it is safe to say that the blue-handled tools will be around and functioning for the remainder of a mechanic's life.
Park Tool

Park tool Advanced Mechanic Tool KIt
What is Inside the Box:

Park Tool's Advanced Mechanic Kit includes the following: 4, 5, 6mm Y hex wrench, 3 2, 2.5, 3mm Y hex wrench; BBT-5/FR-11 bottom bracket and freehub lock-ring tool for Campagnolo; BBT-9 bottom bracket tool for 16-notch external crankset system cups (SRAM, Shimano, FSA, Truvativ, Race Face, Zipp, etc); BBT-22 cartridge bottom bracket tool (for 20-tooth internal splines, such as Shimano, FSA, etc.); CC-3.2 Chain Checker chain wear indicator; CWP-7 crank puller for splined Octalink, ISIS Drive, and square-taper types; CCW-5 crank wrench with 14mm Socket / 8mm Hex; CBW-1 8 and 10mm open-end wrench; CBW-4 9 and 11mm open-end wrench; CL-1 Synthetic Blend chain lube; CM-5 Cyclone Chain Cleaner; CN-10 cable cutter; CNW-2 chainring nut wrench; CT-3 professional screw-type chain tool; FR-5 cassette lock-ring tool for Shimano and similar brands; GP-2 pre-glued patch kit; GSC-1 GearClean brush; PPL-1 PolyLube 1000 grease; PW-3 professional pedal wrench; Professional shop cone wrenches (SCW-13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19mm); SD-0 shop screwdriver #0 Phillips; SD-3 shop screwdriver straight-blade 3mm tip; SD-2 shop screwdriver #2 Phillips; SD-6 shop screwdriver straight-blade, 6mm tip; SR-11 chain-whip and freewheel/lock-ring wrench; SW-0 professional spoke wrench; SW-2 professional spoke wrench; TB-2 tire boot; TL-6 tire levers.

Pinkbike's Take:
bigquotesPark Tool's Advanced Mechanic's kit is extensive enough to handle the lion's share of at-home bike setups and repairs. A few of the tools are road bike related, but those will probably come in handy when a friend needs a fix. The takeaway from the Park tool kit is that the stuff is specific to wrenching on bikes. The Philips-head screwdrivers are EXACTLY the ones that fit derailleur limit screws. The 'Y' wrenches are just the right length to give clear working space when spinning the handles. The open-end wrenches are flat, which may seems a bit cheap, but after using a set for umteen years, I reach for them first, especially where access is tight, and I need to angle the tool a bit. Many of the tools interchange, for instance: the hex in the chain whip handle fits over the hex on the cassette lock-ring spline tool, so you won't be hunting for an 'extra' tool necessary to operate the chosen one. After working for a week, using only the tools provided, however, I discovered some items that needed to be added to Park's kit. Strangely missing from the ensemble are Torx drivers - which are commonly used on drivetrain and brake components from many parts makers. We'd ask Park to include its durable shop-quality folding Allen set that features all the nagging small sizes used to adjust brake levers and get into shifter pods as well. That said; Park's Advanced Mechanic Tool Kit is a jump-start for any aspiring wrench, and if you threw a headset press and a brake bleeding kit into the box, Park's portable tool kit would be a perfect race-day ensemble. Got a birthday coming up? - RC



Gore Countdown II Baggy

Those searching for a lightweight, comfortable baggy for trail riding will find quality in the Gore Cycling Wear Countdown short. The Countdown II looks like basic garment, but it is quite technical, with tightly-woven nylon main panels for durability and narrow stretch panels on the inside of each leg for ease of movement. large cargo pockets on each side of the short are also made of the stretch material to allow most of the short to conform to the body. The pocket's inside liners are breathable mesh so the two layers of fabric there do not feel bulky or hot. The seams are sonic welded, so they are small and lay flat. A standard zip fly with a large button clasp keep the naughty bits inside, while two stretch panels at the waist fix the short in place while riding. Two front pockets are almost useless, as they are quite shallow and have no security flaps. There is a curious zip pocket at the belt line in the back of the sort that appears to be a plummer's crack vent, but the party line from Gore is that the pocket is made for MP3 players and (although it seems a bit odd) energy bars.

The standout feature of the Gore Cycling Wear Countdown II is its padded liner, which uses a wicking outer layer on the pad as well as a wicking treatment on the two-way stretch material used for the liner. Both the leg band and waist bands are treated with a grippy polymer and the cut and fit of the garment is the equal of an expensive lycra racing short - but lighter and more comfortable. Snap garters suspend the liner inside the short, so it can be removed to wash separately - or not be used at all. Countdown II baggies come in five sizes from small to XX-large and in black, earth/black, earth/beige or white/black colorways. A female-specific Countdown baggy is also available. MSRP is $100 USD.
Gore Cycling Wear

Gore Countdown II baggy
(Clockwise) Countdown II baggies are visibly well constructed, with a closer fit than a DH short and stretch panels to facilitate all-day pedaling. The comfortable liner is worth the price of the short and snap-closure loops keep it in position. A look at the curious vented zip pocket in the rear of the short.

Pinkbike's Take:
bigquotesWe tested the Countdown II baggies in mid summer and found the short to be comfortably breathable, with a non-restrictive cut that facilitated efficient pedaling. The fabric is very lightweight, so anything that is stored in the large cargo pockets becomes a bothersome pendulum, so don't even think of tucking your iPhone there. Strong hook-and-loop flaps on the main pockets make them good for stashing money and maps. A couple of crashes and a lot of drags through iron hard coastal sage-scrub proved that Gore's baggie is made tough. The liner is one of the best we've tried, and it machine-washes without self-destructing. Overall, the short feels as it it isn't there, except for a tiny bit of a flare at the leg openings that tends to flap around now and then. Gore offers the Countdown II in five sizes, so take care to choose a snug fitting waist, because there is no provision for a drawstring and the mildly strong stretch-waistband allows the outer short to work its way down in technical situations. Belt loops are included, if you are so inclined, and a belt would eliminate that complaint entirely. As mentioned, there are two docker-type front pockets about three inches deep that function only as place-holders for the hands during casual conversation, as neither will not hold anything of value longer than five pedal strokes. All test-notes tallied, Gore Cycling Wear Countdown II baggies are a worthwhile investment for warm weather trail riding. - RC


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95 Comments

  • + 21
flag Chuck-Norris (Jun 22, 2012 at 0:08)
 None of these interest me.
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flag ChainsawGeoff (Jun 22, 2012 at 0:40)
 Only killing interests Chuck Norris so it's hardly a fault for any of the featured products,
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flag jakeaylward (Jun 22, 2012 at 6:20) (Below Threshold) show comment
 seriously PB be rid of these bots^^
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flag VTwintips (Jun 22, 2012 at 8:22)
 what are you talking about??? ^^

The mechanic's kit is good... but I'd like to see a derailleur hanger bender back into placer and maybe a truing stand/ head set press/remover. There isn't really anything else is there?
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flag VTwintips (Jun 22, 2012 at 8:36)
 You also would be better off getting this since its sooo much cheaper.

www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=40997
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flag NORTHender Plus (Jun 22, 2012 at 8:52)
 Yeah Cauz a truing stand, head set press and remover would fit easily into that small ass tool box.
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flag kirkerj (Jun 22, 2012 at 10:12)
 For the aspiring wrench I would have to agree the second-rate x-tool set would be the better bet. Mostly because aspiring wrenches don't have 300+ dollars to spend on a basic kit. They would much prefer to buy the 70ish dollar one and then either spend the rest on gas to go biking or maybe a head set press and a truing stand!
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flag Danny-P (Jun 22, 2012 at 10:36)
 I've always found that chain whip funny, the lock ring tool wrench is on the other end.. so you need two.. rightt....
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flag smike (Jun 22, 2012 at 11:17)
 That particular chainwhip? Or all chainwhips are "funny" to you?
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flag jguidry (Jun 22, 2012 at 12:22)
 Danny-P,,,,i got this set for christmas and i thought the same thing the first time i tried removing the casette, needless to say i had to go find an adjustable
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flag smike (Jun 22, 2012 at 12:26)
 Ah, I see now. Strange indeed...
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flag iChimp (Jun 22, 2012 at 13:28)
 @VTwintips A bleed syringe and some dot fluid maybe?
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flag Danny-P (Jun 22, 2012 at 13:37)
 @smike... ahahaha, that amused me so I thank you... though if you look at my comment it says "THAT chain whip" Wink
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flag ironxcross (Jun 22, 2012 at 19:11)
 Expecting a truing stand in a tool kit is absurd. And buying cheap-o knock off tools is a horrible idea. It's a proven fact, park tools are worth the money. Seems painful when you buy it, but it's pretty nice having tools that work great for the rest of your life.
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flag mountguitars (Jun 22, 2012 at 20:04)
 i just got my X-Tools from CRC. its cheap but the quality is good. its a no brainer.
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flag iChimp (Jun 23, 2012 at 14:32)
 I have x tools, unless you are using them everyday like a bike shop there is no point in having park
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flag epavichthesavage Plus (Jun 22, 2012 at 0:08)
 *Sunglasses dog not included
Frown
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flag JRohlik (Jun 22, 2012 at 4:31)
 I only see about 9 tools in that kit that I would justify getting Park branded. Other than that, why do you need Park branded wrenches, allens, plastic toolbox, etc? Simple Green is a great degreaser/cleaner. I agree with above that this toolkit has not kept up with the evolution of components used on most modern rigs. Building your own kit is best.
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flag carletonman (Jun 22, 2012 at 22:51)
 You'd be amazed how easily you can destroy a cheap set of hex keys and wrenches with regular use. Park stuff aint cheap, I agree, but damn does it last...
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flag tinfoil (Jun 22, 2012 at 23:09)
 Park wrenches really are worth it. But I do agree that assembling tools that fit your needs is the best bet for anyone who wants to do their own wrenching.
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flag plwaidner (Jun 23, 2012 at 11:48)
 Yea, I tend to buy tools as I need them for certain projects. I'm sure its more expensive in the long run, but its only a little here and there and over the years I've built up an impressive tool shop of exactly what I want for each job.
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flag JRohlik (Jun 23, 2012 at 18:35)
 @carletonman, dunno if they have em in canada, but here in the states we have Sears and Craftsman. Craftsman tools are lifetime warranty, you break it, take it back, and get a brand new one. No fuss. Or if you have the money, you buy Snap-On and they come to you! I'd only buy Park branded tools that are specifically for working on bikes. Any other brand for everything else. Work smarter, not harder.
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flag rffr (Jun 23, 2012 at 22:13)
 PS Jrohlik... Sears is almost Bankrupt. A very sad time and age. If Craftsman doesn't get snatched up by Snap On or MAC, I will be VERY sad. Craftsman has gone way downhill for many things, but their actual hand tools (sockets, wrenches, impact drivers, etc) has been the same as it's always been. It's only Craftsmans electric and gas stuff (IE power tools, lawncare stuff etc) that are killing their rep, but then again, Sears is a sinking ship, so they are trying to cut corners everywhere they can... minus their steel stuff (because we all know, the minute they release garbage hand tools... the end has already arrived... and it's getting very close to that).

Park tools IMO are the Snap On of bike tools. Everyone of my park tools has lasted me as long as my Craftsman tools. Top stuff bar none... and every time I broke something (main thing was chain breakers), I had a brand new shiny park tool coming in the mail a week later to replace the broken one. Can't beat that. Probably 10 broken park breakers back in the 415 chain days, and they had 0 questions and sent a replacement before I even got an RMA and sent my broken part back. Worth the cost any day.
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flag Bullitproof (Jun 22, 2012 at 0:38)
 and when chuck norris finds no interest in a product, it ceases to exist... haha
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flag mys0ck (Jun 22, 2012 at 8:48)
 170$ for safety glasses? you can get those at the hardware store looking the same.. and im pretty sure, at least in Canada all sunglasses need to have 100% UV protection by law or they cant enter the country. Im not saying its a bad product but $$$$$$ and then some.
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flag timmins (Jun 22, 2012 at 9:14)
 Those sunglasses are absolutely repulsive, and yes, even the $5 knockoffs you buy in chinatown have UV protection.
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flag rffr (Jun 23, 2012 at 22:07)
 If you read the article, and knew a bit about transition type lenses... you'd know they aren't cheap. The lenses in my glasses (no, not sunglasses, but my actual glasses I use for long drives etc) which have transition lenses, were about 350$ for lenses only. Add those to 150$ frame... and yea, your talking money.

Heck, my Oakley and WileyX glasses were at min 175$ a piece... but when you actually try on a pair, and compare them to crap gas station glasses (or even expensive glasses such as SPY or Bolle), there is no comparison to how much better they truly are vision wise. I guess people with perfect eyes have no problem wearing cheap crap, but some of us can't wear them due to both vision flaws, and also the considerable migranes that happen from crap lenses.

Nuf said. If you want to buy 5$ glasses go for it. Most won't. I bet the same people that buy 5 dollar glasses also buy walmart brand rear shocks, generic communist chinese tools, and also wear clothes made in sweat shops.
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flag finnrambo (Jun 24, 2012 at 19:19)
 oakley and the other high end sunglass companys cant justify their high cost, yes they're better, 200-300$ better? no they cost less than a dollar to make so if you fall for their crap sure enjoy losing your money but they have no right to charge those prices
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flag mys0ck (Jun 26, 2012 at 5:13)
 HEY! Don't bad talk the Chinese shock i taped to my hardtail >Frown
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flag rffr (Jun 30, 2012 at 20:37)
 You know most oak's are less than 200$ finn. Just don't buy their top tier lenses. =] They have models that fit most peoples budgets if they want a solid pair of glasses.
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flag finnrambo (Jul 1, 2012 at 17:23)
 find me jawbones for less than 200 then and tell me theyre better than smith pivlocks for road and xc, spy goggles still my fav goggles for the venting although i have oakley crowbar goggles
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flag rffr (Jul 9, 2012 at 20:39)
 I don't ride road/xc much, but when I do, I just rock half jackets, just like for DHing, BMX, shooting shit, you name it.
No reason you need some fatty big glasses to do the job.

And cool stuff on the love for smit pivlocks. It's your opinion, but many of us don't agree with your opinion, in which, that makes it opinion based.

Smash your face enough times into ice and snow and you will think most goggles suck. =]

In the end, it's all about opinion. What works for some, may not work for others. Some people rock 10$ glasses and are fine, some people want or need better quality glasses and that's fine, then some people will shell out 1500-10k$ on a pair of glasses and rock them as well. All about what fits the person.
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flag finnrambo (Jul 20, 2012 at 14:18)
 pivlocks are awesome just look a bit gay and damn was hoping for an awesome post on my bday
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flag mearnshaw (Jun 22, 2012 at 1:27)
 Don't order the Gore shorts before trying them in a shop. I ordered some Gore Countdown Baggy shorts a few months ago and sent them straight back. I wanted some summer shorts with pockets and as the review mentions, the pockets on these things are so shallow, you have to wonder why they even bothered. The material is also very light, thin, feels poor quality and will just flap around on the trails, get caught on your bike or bushes, and slide around your body if you're wearing padded shorts underneath. The standout feature of the shorts are the padded inner - I would buy them on their own... For £60-£70 there are loads of better options out there - I now have some Troy Lee Skyline shorts, deep pockets, thicker material, better fit and feels quality, cheaper too.
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flag socommk23 (Jun 22, 2012 at 23:08)
 uvex glasses have never impressed me....and still dont. the quality of them is shocking and the arms are the weak point. if you wanna protect your eyes...trust nothing but oakleys!
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flag Wesselized (Jun 23, 2012 at 7:51)
 True story..
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flag rffr (Jun 23, 2012 at 22:15)
 +1... but this time, they at least are leading the pack by getting transitions on board. Of course companies like Oakley know it's a lost cause for now, because riding, where you will be shaded, then in sun etc very quickly, can't be mastered with the lenses. Too much delay. Good for driving or reading, but bad for high paced rides.

Still though, price wise, the lenses are probably 3/4 the cost, as we all know Uvex frames only cost probably 10$ to make and have no warrenty.
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flag finnrambo (Jun 24, 2012 at 19:21)
 you can get transitions jawbones... i think they cost anywhere from 300-500$ though
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flag anotherbikerguy (Jun 22, 2012 at 0:12)
 I've been using the Park Tool kit for a few years now. Great quality product, and the cost doesn't seem so bad when I think about all the trips to the shop I've skipped.
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flag myanh (Jun 22, 2012 at 16:28)
 I don't need a tool box with 30 pieces...I actually have only two tool Allen key set and one wrench and does the job perfectly. Park tool are top of the line product you cannot compare them to x-tool. Just take one wrench of each in your hand you will feel the difference. In my opinion nobody will use more than 10% of what you have in the box. So not worth 300$...for the sunglasses the dog look nice.
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flag plwaidner (Jun 23, 2012 at 11:54)
 If you only use allens and one wrench, you must not be doing most of your own maintenance. Plus, if you have only used a couple allen key sets and a single wrench how much experience do you have to compare Park or X-tool or Pedro's or any of the other brands out there?
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flag myanh (Jun 24, 2012 at 18:23)
 it's exact i dont do everything but let s put it that way as i said i was speaking for my self i still dont need that tool box ! For my experience i talk to friends check with others riders and took advise from different tech in shop it all come to the same answer that park tool are good tool. Personally i dont like X-tool or Pedro's but it's just my opinion, i was able to try some not quiet like PT. cheers
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flag badbadleroybrown (Jun 22, 2012 at 10:49)
 Park tools are such a waste of money... And not all that intelligently designed either. Who's the dumbass that thought it would be a good idea to combine the chain whip and lockring wrench into one tool?? Good luck with actually removing a cassette with that. Even setting aside that awesome oversight... they give you crap for your money, $310 for $100 worth of tools.
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flag rffr (Jun 23, 2012 at 22:19)
 I remove them all time time with mine. Have been doing so with the same whip for over 15 years. I also overtighten the living piss out of my lock rings, so they hold up. Only thing I have had to replace on the whip is the chain... but then again... it's a 415 chain on mine now... I can guarantee you won't even break a 415 on this wrench. You can shoot it while drunk with a 1 oz slug, run over it a few dozen times because you were too tired to remember you left your tools in back of your truck, smack it with a hammer to straighten it... it won't break. Period.
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flag badbadleroybrown (Jun 24, 2012 at 13:38)
 Rolleyes You must be really special then cause with the chain whip and lockring wrench on the same tool, it's impossible to use it for both functions at once so you're either lying or you have two of them... which at Park's prices is even more absurd.
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flag rffr (Jun 27, 2012 at 20:00)
 ? Why would I use both ends at once? You still need a lockring socket with the wrench. I just use a big crescent wrench to hold the lock ring tool.

That hex at the end also allows usage of over a dozen "bike specific" sockets, such as BB tools, headset tools etc.
Basically people are just finding any reason to complain.

And ps, why would I ever need to buy a 2nd one? You do realize a good crescent wrench is in almost every mech's toolbox.
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flag badbadleroybrown (Jun 28, 2012 at 10:11)
 Actually, I'm just pointing out a glaring flaw and saying they're overpriced... You seem to be the one reaching to defend them. I realize a standard wrench would work and that most people would have one... I didn't say it was impossible to do, I just said impossible using that tool. If they thought things through a bit better, they could've integrated the lockring wrench into another tool and not had that issue. If you charge what Park charges, your equipment should be flawless. Park makes solid shit but nothing that really sets it apart or justifies its crazy high price.
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flag Powderface (Jun 22, 2012 at 10:03)
 Not liking those glasses in particular but their website has some sweet styles. The SGL 202 Vario is excatly what I've been looking for.
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flag pb213 (Jun 22, 2012 at 10:42)
 does the dog come with the glasses?
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flag RichardCunningham Mod Plus (Jun 23, 2012 at 10:57)
 No way dude, April is MY Beeaatch! RC
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flag THE-GUNT (Jun 22, 2012 at 11:19)
 I like how they call them baggy shorts. Those are some nut huggers
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flag SandersB (Jun 23, 2012 at 0:48)
 Park tool kit- If you need to pull your cassette off, how do you do that(just off).
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flag raph11 (Jun 22, 2012 at 0:45)
 310.- what a joke. I just received my toolbox from CRC, 65.- for almost the same...
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flag nwmlarge (Jun 22, 2012 at 3:13)
 link?
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flag raph11 (Jun 22, 2012 at 3:38)
 no chaincleaner (which I dont give F*ck about) and quality is for sure not the same, but if you re not a bikeshop it's really fine. www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=40997
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flag nwmlarge (Jun 22, 2012 at 3:49)
 yeah a mate has that set, it's ok
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flag DARKSTAR63 (Jun 22, 2012 at 6:33)
 Yeah not almost the same.......Park Tools really are high quality. Shops use them for a reason.
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flag deeeight Plus (Jun 22, 2012 at 7:21)
 Totally NOT the same tool kit... apples and oranges people !
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flag raph11 (Jun 22, 2012 at 7:47)
 all you need is in it and you re not ruined after buying it...
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flag RichardCunningham Mod Plus (Jun 22, 2012 at 10:09)
 Park tools are not all that exciting to look at, but they go the distance. After 30 years of wrenching on bikes and being the recipient of free tools from many brands, the beaten blue handles are what survives in the bottom of my tool box. RC
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flag seraph (Jun 22, 2012 at 10:27)
 18 pieces =/= 35 pieces. Seriously. Your shitty X-Tools 18 piece kit is nothing compared to the Park tool 35 piece set.
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flag cloverleaf Plus (Jun 22, 2012 at 12:20)
 While there is definitely a point to there being a limited number of tools in that set which are relevant for the average modern downhill bike, there's plenty for the rest of the market. We are not the 99%, we are the 1%. Actually, that's a lie, we're probably the 0.00001%. What is assured with park is quality. Sure they drop the ball occasionally, every manufacture does, but their failures seem very compared to the cheaper brands. The only set I would swap out there would be two of their folding allen key sets rather than the tri-hex sets as I find them to be far more useful, especially in some tighter areas. Quality costs money and frequently, cheap (as opposed to cheaper than Park) tools cause damage to bolts, splines and any other surface you're trying to work on with them. Buy cheap and you frequently buy twice.
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flag deeeight Plus (Jun 22, 2012 at 14:34)
 While there are better alternatives in the fancy stuff (park is NOT the only name of the game in truing stands, headset presses and bb threading tools for example) for the every day home mechanic...which this kit is aimed at... this will do the job quite well for many riders... and really...if you can afford a $3000 bike... how come you cannot afford to maintain it properly ??
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flag nzstormer (Jun 22, 2012 at 16:15)
 If I could spend $310, and get every tool I needed, then I would be ok with it, but this set has too many tools that don't fit my bike - why would I want to pay for those? I bought a cheap set for the essentials (chain whip etc), then upgraded a few of the junk pieces, and bought a few more specific tools for my bike. All up I spent less than $300, and I have every tool I need for my bike (Except a headset press). I have to say though, I do enjoy and trust the park tools a lot more than any of the others.
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flag iamamodel (Jun 22, 2012 at 17:28)
 When you consider the cost of some of those tools individually, $310 is a bargain. And they will last a long time and they will pay for themselves in the first year, not to mention you'll spend more time on your bike.
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flag deeeight Plus (Jun 25, 2012 at 8:45)
 @Nzstormer.... and that's fine... for YOUR bike... but Park doesn't design their tool kits for just ONE person's bike exclusively. No tool manufacturer does. And what works on your bike for tools probably won't work on 99.999% of other consumers unless they by some miracle have the exact same bike setup.
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flag nzstormer (Jun 25, 2012 at 17:00)
 That's exactly my point deeeight - it is unlikely that anybody will own a bike (or even bikes) that will use every tool in this box, so they are paying for tools that they are not going to use.
Also - I'm not an idiot, I know that Park isn't going to design a kit just for MY bike, your sarcasm is not necessary. I am just trying to help other people on here to consider economical options for building their own kit.
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flag Bullitproof (Jun 22, 2012 at 0:37)
 those "no move on" options are getting more and more "turned off" option lol
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flag Vulpine (Jun 22, 2012 at 9:21)
 the dog looks interesting..
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flag lev3000 (Jun 22, 2012 at 0:51)
 There is no point in a crank pulling tool anymore or the old internal BB removal tool, or cone spanners! There should be a 38mm (I think) socket for removing fork springs caps and Torx spanners. The tool kit is out of date. They should call it their 'retro' tool kit. I think Pinkbike are leading us up the garden path!
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flag skibbe (Jun 22, 2012 at 1:01)
 ya know not everyone still uses new style cranks and external bb's. This kit is directed towards all skill levels, not just guys who have the newest parts fresh off the cnc.
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flag T1mb0 (Jun 22, 2012 at 1:16)
 There is just too much compromise in this kit to make it worthwhile. Only 6 allen keys and an 8mm thats only good for old crank bolts.

We have 2 of them at work and they're such a waste of money... you can do it much cheaper yourself and not have useless tools cluttering up your workshop/bench/garage.

can't be faulted on quality though.
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flag jaydmf (Jun 22, 2012 at 1:32)
 You still need a crank puller for raceface cranks if you don't trust self extractors. Shimano qr hubs still use open bearings so that's still relevant. And most bikes still come with square taper/ isis/ powerspline bbs so fail to see how it's not relevant? It's only not relevant to high end mtbs. As for fork tools there are too many different tools needed to put a comprehensive kit together like this. Maybe they could do a suspension specific kit but you'd buy it And probably find half of it useless for hour brand of fork / shock

This kit really is as the name says aimed At the mechanic that's gonna have to deal with the run of the mill bikes not the super high end
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flag StinkyKieran (Jun 22, 2012 at 2:25)
 Plus as it stated in the review its aimed more towards beginners ratjer than proffesional mechanics. Its got all the basics for all riding types and thats what the majority of people need
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flag slimboyjim (Jun 22, 2012 at 2:37)
 I think anyone prepared to spend this amount on a tool kit is likely to have spent a lot on their bike, and therefore likely to have the newer standards. Granted, not everyone, but for me (not that I'm now in the market for tools) I'd be a bit wary about spending so much and getting tools I know I'd never use. They'd be better off offering a custom toolbox option, where you kit it out with exactly what you need and the bigger the package you pick the bigger the percentage discount - now that I would jump at straight away...
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flag superbikes (Jun 22, 2012 at 3:03)
 If you dont like what comes with the toolset then like me whos been fixing bikes for a long time so i know what tools i need so ive brought mine sepratly its cheeper and i dont need as many tools as you see in the parktool box. So ok its aimed at beginers ive seen so many beginers put a crank pulling tool in and strip the threads out becouse they didnt screw it all the way in. Get advice from your LBS on what tools you need and how to use them . Dont waist your cash on a toolset you dont need or may not understand how to use . Sorry toolset is not for me .
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flag nwmlarge (Jun 22, 2012 at 3:13)
 i have to pull cranks and remove the odd internal bb from time to time. i think what would be nice is perhaps an option to tailor the kit to yourself within reason and have it at a reduced rate to buying it seperately.
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flag DARKSTAR63 (Jun 22, 2012 at 5:23)
 If all you aim to do is service your own bike........then yes, it would be more economic to assemble your own custom selection of tools. I must say though, I have most of these tools (and others) just from working on my own bikes for about the last fifteen years and although mostly outdated .... I still on occasion use my old bb removal tools and crank pullers. I service bikes for friends at work and family and so these tools do get dusted off form time to time. If you really want to be prepared to work on a variety of bikes this is a good starter set.
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flag allebong (Jun 22, 2012 at 5:42)
 There are far, far, far more bikes out there using square taper cranks and cup/cone bearings than there are bikes using the 'standard' components we are used to. And if you own a toolkit like that chances are you are known as the local bike repair guy and will be expected to fix them.....god knows I am and the only park tool I have is an allen key multitool.
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flag drbelleville Plus (Jun 22, 2012 at 6:05)
 I think a "complete" tool kits is a great idea, although as some one stated already, some tools may not be needed and see no use, given how the bike is setup. Now, it would be great if you could piece together your own kit based on your bike / bikes, like if they offered a 80 or 90 piece kit that you put together.
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flag richardmorris (Jun 22, 2012 at 7:03)
 Noob question, I have already stripped out my screws on my derraluers using what I believe to be the correct screwdriver. I mean, Isn't the screws P2 screws on a Shimano? For the pinkbike guy to say, "These screwdrivers are perfect" I'm unsure what they mean by that. P2, PZ2 ??? Or just cheap screws!!
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flag DARKSTAR63 (Jun 22, 2012 at 7:14)
 The limit screws "like" a very particular shaped phillips in my experiance. Any small phillips will do but caution must always be used as the screws are small.
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flag deeeight Plus (Jun 22, 2012 at 7:29)
 The crank pullers are very relevant... the vast majority of bikes sold do NOT use external bearing setups and that's also why they include the internal spline BB tool. At least they don't include adjustable and fixed bb cup tools anymore... I doubt many people would even known how to use them properly at this stage of the game. Same goes for the cone wrenches as shimano, sram and many other hub makers do NOT use non-adjustable cartridge bearing setups.
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flag north96 (Jun 22, 2012 at 7:49)
 and as some other people have said this isn't aimed at being a full shop toolkit if you needed that you would end up with this

www.parktool.com/product/master-tool-kit-MK-128
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flag seraph (Jun 22, 2012 at 10:29)
 T1mbo, most modern 2-piece crank designs use an 8mm Allen wrench to remove them. I think that makes the 8mm pretty important. And a few road bike pedals use the 8mm Allen wrench to tighten/remove them as well. So maybe you should just figure that you know very little and/or nothing about tools and leave the hard stuff to the mechanics?
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flag T1mb0 (Jun 22, 2012 at 11:01)
 Rolleyes sigh
Yes but because of its design its pretty much only suited for that one application.
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flag seraph (Jun 22, 2012 at 11:15)
 You mean those two applications? You need to go back to school and learn to count.
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flag T1mb0 (Jun 22, 2012 at 11:23)
 Ha, are your adenoids giving you some trouble again!
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flag dirtydroog (Jun 22, 2012 at 13:18)
 Park Tools used/still do sponsor Tech Tuesdays so PB have to say good stuff about them. I own a few of their tools but I only buy them if there's nothing cheaper around. Their headset remover and press is a complete rip-off. So is the stand.
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flag seraph (Jun 22, 2012 at 13:33)
 I use their headset remover, headset press, bottom bracket thread chaser, head tube facer, and PRS-3 OS stand every day at work. They are all great tools and their greatness comes with a price. I also have all of these same tools at home so that I can streamline my at-work and at-home maintenance.
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flag deeeight Plus (Jun 22, 2012 at 14:39)
 I find the OTHER tools, the ones most home mechanics wouldn't buy are the useful ones... the frame alignment gauge, derailleur hanger gauge/adjustment tool, and dropout adjustment tools have saved me trips to bike stores in the past, and saved me cursing and swearing because my wheel won't track straight in the new bike (you'd be surprised just how many frames leave the factories missaligned), or wasted time trying to adjust the shifter cable tension when the derailleur hanger was twisted enough to mess it up.
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flag rffr (Jun 23, 2012 at 22:22)
 Haha he said internal BB's are out of date. Some of us just don't buy bikes that need to be replaced every few years. Chuckles.
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