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TESTED
PIVOT
MACH
5.7
WORDS Richard Cunningham

Pivot’s best selling trail bike was decided the moment the Arizona bike brand released the five-inch-travel Mach 5. By luck or design, it was a near-perfect blend of honest handling and cross-country efficiency. While the Mach 5 was designed to be a longer-travel XC/trailbike, the Mach 5.7, with its slack head angle and re-curved suspension metrics retains the efficient pedaling of its sibling’s position-sensitive dw-link suspension, but adds a new level of handling and confidence that encourages its pilot to stray deeper into the technical realm. Set up with Pivot’s Shimano XTR build kit, our medium-sized test bike weighed 25.9 pounds ready to rock with Shimano XT trail pedals. Expect to pay around $6899 for a similar build.

Inside the Mach 5.7
In profile, the Mach 5.7’s minimalist simplicity masks a number of innovative design elements. Its double-butted main frame tubes are rectangular profiled to put more metal in line with the frame’s highest loads. The deeply curved top tube provides a lot of stand-over clearance (26.5 inches for the X-small frame) and also eliminates the need for a separate strut to support the seat mast. Like all top trail bikes, the Mach 5.7 has a tapered head tube, so if you don’t agree with its 67.6-degree head angle, you can add an AngleSet and try a home-grown version.

Pink minute side shot

Mach 5.7 Details
• Purpose: Epic trail and all-mountain
• Frame: Welded aluminum, larger-diameter, butted and formed main tubes,
5.7-inch travel dw-link position-sensitive suspension, tapered head tube,
hollow-forged bottom bracket and frame junctions, double bearings at all pivots.
• One-pound lighter frame than original Mach 5
• 92-millimeter PressFit bottom bracket shell for wider pivot bearing stance and more lateral stiffness.
• Lower bottom bracket height
• Relaxed, 67.6-degree head angle
• Higher shock leverage rate with smoother mid-stroke action
• ISCG-05 single-chainring option
• Compatible with 140 or 150-millimeter–travel forks.
• Weight: 25 pounds (no pedals)
• Price as tested: $6899
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Placement of the dw-link pivots is critical and in the case of the Mach 5.7, the lower link competes with the front derailleur location. Pivot offsets the linkage bearings to the left and incorporates a direct-mount derailleur to solve the crowding there. Pivot uses a two-piece bottom bracket forging that captures the outside of the lower link. The hollow, welded forging enhances frame stiffness and with its wide-stance pivot placements, promises to extend bearing life. On the subject of bearing life, Pivot doubles two sealed cartridge bearings in each location to be sure that the suspension won’t waggle due to premature bearing wear.

Following the frame back to the Mach 5.7’s swingarm, Pivot redesigned the triangulated bracing between the seat and chain stays to provide clearance for 2.35-inch and larger tires, and then beefed it up with stiffer, C-section struts. At the dropout, Pivot’s burly replaceable derailleur hanger is designed to take a serious beating. Pivot did not outfit the Mach 5.7 with the new 142/12-millimeter through-axle. However, complete builds are set up with the 10-millimeter DT Swiss through axle system that works well with standard dropouts.

Pivot machines the Mach 5.7 s tapered head tube to better support the bearings and minimize weight. A close-up of the rear dropout reveals the DT Swiss 10-millimeter through-axle quick release and Pivot s super-strong rear derailleur hanger.
  Pivot machines the Mach 5.7's tapered head tube to better support the bearings and minimize weight - A close-up of the rear dropout reveals the DT Swiss 10-millimeter through-axle quick release and Pivot's super-strong rear derailleur hanger.

Those of us who believe that every bike requires a chainguide will be sad to see that there are no ISCG tabs on the Mach 5.7, but somewhat relieved to discover that Pivot offers a sturdy adapter that both clamps onto the bottom bracket shell and bolts to the frame. Pivot’s ISCG-05 adapter, and is intended for single-ring cranksets. Check it out here. For riders who want to build up a Mach 5.7 at home, Pivot sells the frame only for $2199 (including the Fox Kashima RP23 shock) in five sizes, from extra small to extra large, as well as specific women’s sizes. Colors are charcoal anodized (ours) and white, and either pink or baby blue as female options. Complete Mach 5.7s start at $3899 for the Shimano SLX build and top out around $6900 for SRAM XX and Shimano XTR options.

Mach 5.7 Suspension
Pivot reconfigured the Mach 5.7 dw-link suspension geometry with a higher leverage rate and a flatter curve to feel a lot more plush in the mid-stroke and then consulted with Fox Racing Shox to tune its Boost-Valve RP23 shock to work in harmony. The result is a much smoother feel throughout the suspension travel with less ramp-up at the end-stroke. The changes in shock tune and suspension geometry, added to the fact that the Mach 5.7 comes with an ultra responsive Kashima-coated shock, cause the suspension to move a little more when pedalling than some climbers like. Pivot recommends that Mach 5.7 owners use (or at least try) the RP23 shock’s Propedal function when laying down serious power. We were interested to experience this because previous Pivots, like the Mach 4 and Mach 5, had sufficient anti-squat built into the suspension to never need the Propedal anti-bob function to enhance pedalling efficiency.

Mach 5.7 Suspension Details Pivot s configuration of the dw-link suspension imposed some engineering challenges. The carbon fiber upper link wraps around the seat tube to capture the swingarm in exactly the right spot while the lower link is enshrouded by a hollow two-piece aluminum forging that forms a rigid support for both suspension and pedaling forces in the bottom bracket area.
  Pivot's configuration of the dw-link suspension imposed some engineering challenges - The carbon fiber upper link wraps around the seat tube to capture the swingarm in exactly the right spot - The lower link is enshrouded by a hollow, two-piece aluminum forging that forms a rigid support for both suspension and pedalling forces in the bottom bracket area.

Our test bike was fitted with a Fox 32 Float RLC fork and a QR15 axle system, which is pretty important to keep a 150-millimeter-stroke fork with 32-millimeter stanchion tubes carving a tight line through the turns. Kashima coating was conspicuously missing from the Fox fork, and when asked, Pivot officials said that the Mach 5.7 seemed to perform just fine without the slippery coating – especially so after a brief break-in period. The same function that makes dw-link bikes pedal well tends to overdrive the fork, so the fact that the stock Fox fork works well with the Mach 5.7 could be science or serendipity.

Mach 5.7 Components
Pivot offers five build kits for the Mach 5.7. Our test bike was appointed with the Shimano XTR ensemble highlighted by a 38/26 two-by-ten crankset, hard-stopping Trail brakes with ICE semi-metallic brake pads, and ICE 150-millimeter rotors. Wheels were DT Swiss Tricon 1550 wheels, while tires were a trail-blend of a Kenda Nevegal up front and a Slant Six in the rear (both 2.35-inch). Cockpit items were refreshingly different, with a Syntace P6 carbon seatpost topped by a Pivot signature WTB Vigo Team saddle, and a 90-millimeter Syntace F109 stem clamping Pivot’s 700-millimeter Phoenix carbon riser handlebar. If you haven’t deduced it by now, our Mach 5.7 was outfitted on the trail rider’s side of the mountain bike meter.

Standout components We were surprised by the rough-trail performance of the Shimano XTR two-by-ten drivetrain. Higher spoke tension of the DT Swiss Tricon wheels seemed to enhance the bike s lateral stability. Shimano ICE brake pads and rotors did the work of larger-diameter rotors. Impressive stoppers.
  We were surprised by the excellent rough-trail performance of the Shimano XTR two-by-ten drivetrain - Higher spoke tension of the DT Swiss Tricon wheels seemed to enhance the bike's turning and lateral stability - Shimano ICE brake pads and rotors did the work of larger-diameter rotors. Impressive stoppers.

Riding the Mach 5.7
We tested the Mach 5.7 on a wide range of Southern California terrain from fast-paced mountain singletrack, to motorcycle routes in the high-desert, and suspension-eating technical boulders and slick-rock in the coastal ranges. Conditions were mostly dry with a couple of lucky super-tack days fed by monsoon rains.

Richard Cunningham riding near San Diego
  Those in search of a single bike that can span the wide gap between a lightweight climber and a capable all-mountain rig will find the Mach 5.7 will be tough to beat.

Shock setup: Successful suspension setup is the key to all long-travel trail bikes, and the process is made easy with Pivot’s shock-mounted sag meter. The Mach 5.7 requires a bit more negative travel than most, about 30-percent sag, so use the tool to get it right. Turn off the Propedal function, gently climb aboard, set the spring pressure so that the O-ring lines up with the red line on the plastic indicator and you’ll be good to go. We used the center Propedal option with five clicks out from full slow for rebound.

Fox Kashima RP23 shock and 32 Float RLC fork
  Pivot's shock-sag meter is tough to get wrong - just add or subtract air pressure until the O-ring sets under the red line - The '5.7's new dw-link suspension geometry doesn't overdrive the fork, so the Fox 32 rides smoother and higher in its travel at speed.

Fork setup: Up front, we found that 30-percent sag with 3 to 4 clicks of low-speed compression balanced well with the shock. The Fox Fit damping system has an anti-bottom-out feature, so don’t expect the O-ring on the stanchion to run to the end of the fork travel unless you pound something hard enough to bend a rim. Rebound was set 4 clicks out and all seemed well and good.

Pedalling: Rolling out on the Mach 5.7 feels like a different animal than its predecessor. Where the original felt like a long-travel XC ride, the Mach 5.7’s 67-degree head angle steers with more purpose and its suspension feels deeper and more responsive. The sensation leaves the legs wondering if the Mach 5.7 will be a disappointment when powering on the flats or when the climbs begin. Not to worry though, because the new machine accelerates quite well with the shock wide open and nearly matches the original with the assistance of the Propedal lever.

Climbing: Where the Mach 5.7 shines is pedalling up and over rough terrain, where the suspension keeps the bike moving forward noticeably better. The recurved shock rate seems more responsive to terrain under pedalling tension and manages this without stealing leg power. Using Propedal produces a correspondingly rougher ride that feels easier under power, but if you are willing to accept a small amount of pedal-bob, the ‘5.7 will roll smoothly, faster and more efficiently up rooted trails or stepped, slick-rock type climbs with the shock wide open. That said; the advantage of Propedal-assist is more than bob-free pedalling. The Mach 5.7’s rear suspension rides higher when the shock is firmed up which makes the head angle a degree or so steeper. The two actions combine to make the Pivot feel a lot fresher to the legs, especially when ascents last longer than free will. We were not ashamed to reach for the blue lever.

Richard Cunningham riding near San Diego
  Up or down, the Mach 5.7 negotiates tricky corners with a relaxed composure that saves energy and focus for truly technical sections that lay ahead.

Turning: Surprisingly, the Mach 5.7 corners like it is on rails. There is a beautiful balance that can be felt when the ground is rough and cornering forces are high that makes a ‘5.7 rider want to push harder with each successive turn. The head angle is not so slack that the bike has to be pushed around corners with the outside handlebar. Rather, the 5.7’s steering feels like an integrated part of its handling package – light at the bars with just the right amount of turn-in to encourage a confident flow. We attribute the Pivot’s new found cornering abilities to its lower bottom bracket, modern steering geometry and a better-balance between the shock and fork action. The limiting factor for hard cornering was the rear tire, which turned this phase of testing into a driftathon. Standard fare for the Mach 5.7 is Kenda Nevegals on both ends. The Slant Six rear tire that the factory set us up with accelerates well and rolls fast, but it steals fun from the downhills and is too easy to lock up under braking.

Technical descending: Get ready for some high speed fun when you turn the Mach 5.7 loose on a descent. With sharp, Super D acceleration on tap for rolling climbs and corner exits, and its point-and-shoot turning skills, the Mach 5.7 gets going in a hurry when it catches the scent of gravity. With its Shimano ICE Trail brakes, the choice to pick through the boulders or send it over the top can be made with nanosecond precision and its smooth, balanced suspension action can cover a multitude of errors. Where the original Mach 5 felt like it had a bit less than five inches of wheel travel when pressed, the new ‘5.7 feels a bit better than its posted numbers, especially under braking and when landing flat.

Richard Cunningham riding near San Diego
  Careful component selection, like tubeless DT Swiss Tricon wheels, Shimano XTR and carbon cockpit items keeps the weight of the Mach 5.7 in the mid 20's, yet the bike holds a sharp line through technical sections and feels capable at the outer limits of its performance envelope.

Jumps: On the subject of flying, there is a slight lift in the rear end when popping short, steep ramps, which is typical of trail bikes and short-chainstay all-mountain designs, but a little pull on the handlebar corrects it and from that point, the Mach 5.7 rider will start racking up frequent flier miles. Unless you ask for a tail whip, the ‘5.7 stays on line after the wheels leave the ground and when it returns, the bike is business as usual.

Technical report
Shimano’s latest XTR two-by-ten transmission is impressive. Shifting feels spot on with every click and we never lost a chain, even when we were pounding slick rock descents spun out in the 38/11 top gear. For those who shift in the push-push (SRAM) mode, Shimano’s dual-action trigger lever feels cramped and slightly out of position regardless of how the shifters are angled. In its intended thumb-and-forefinger mode, however, the latest RapidFire ergonomics feel just right.

We feel that the now-standard 40/28 (SRAM 39/26) double-chainring gearing is too tall for trail work unless your legs are race ready. Shimano’s lower-geared, 38/26 chainrings are a step in the right direction, but unless we hit the steeps when we felt fresh, the tallish low gear often robbed the opportunity to showcase the Mach 5.7’s tractability when the trail got nasty for a lengthily pitch. On the occasion when we did top uber-technical climbs with fresh legs, we left defeated riders open-mouthed on the sideline. Insist on a two-by crankset, but consider 38 by 24 or a 36 by 24-tooth gearing to maximize the Pivot’s performance.

Missing conspicuously from the Pivot Mac 5.7 was a remote-adjust seatpost. The hose guides are on the frame, but the bike did not have the one item that almost every '5.7 rider needs to maximize this stealth shredder's fun factor. As mentioned, we also pondered Pivot's decision to fit a nearly bald Kenda Slant Six tire to such a technically capable trailbike. Order yours with real rubber and shred happily unto the world.

Richard Cunningham riding near San Diego
  The Mach 5.7 gets moving easily and covers a lot of ground - especially over rough, rolling terrain.

Pinkbike's take:
bigquotesPIvot's redesign of its most popular trail bike hits the mark for experienced riders who need no-compromise technical handling and don't want to sacrifice cross-country attributes like sharp climbing, acceleration and cockpit ergonomics. The Mach 5.7 competes in the pedalling department with the likes of Specialized's Brain-equipped Stumpys, and can run downhill with most all-mountain middleweight spawn of the Northwestern brands. For those searching for a dedicated park bike that is also capable of trail riding, however, Pivot's 5.7 falls short. While it is capable of shredding mid-mountain Whistler-type trails such as A-Line, the lack of a through-axle rear end and a dedicated chain guide belie the fact that the DNA of the Mach 5.7 comes from trail bike roots. If your DNA and the Mach 5.7 are a match, then its stiff, lightweight chassis, bomb-proof handling and smooth-rolling suspension will be your secret weapon should you find yourself surrounded by big bikes and full-face helmets with a couple of thousand feet of vert' below your front wheel. - RC


View all the options for the mach 5.7 on the Pivot website and check out the new carbon fiber Mach 5.7 due to arrive in late 2011.

123 Comments

  • + 75
 This bike looks nice and he looks like a nice old man
  • + 6
 I thought the same thing! It's hard to imagine him shredding that bike super hard, especially in the last pic. I think it's the grey beard and glasses... Haha.
  • + 14
 LOL, he has been riding mountain bikes longer than just about anyone and can shred pretty good. He used to make bikes way back in the day that I lusted over (Mantis)...good to see ya still kickin it Richard!
  • + 7
 Yeah it's awesome to see RC in some great photos on a bike. Getting the respect he deserves! In the magazines you never actually got to see him riding the bikes much. Tres cool.
  • + 3
 wheres the "professional bike tester " job application? that would be the sickest job ever
  • + 12
 My grandad is 70 and he still rips the trails apart on a merlin tianium hard tail!!
  • + 4
 Your grandad kicks some serious butt. You sure your last name is not Norris?
  • + 2
 people have to stop with this norris crap
  • + 3
 you just say that because Oklahoma is a part of USA, not Canada... it's ok to be jealous.
  • + 0
 this was a flash back to the days when I read mountain bike fiction!
  • + 3
 isaacds do realize that those flags say where your living not where your from.... I'm from Latvia not Canada.. it's ok to fail sometimes.
  • + 6
 haha, chuck norris doesn't care where you are from, nor does he care where you are, he can still find you...
  • + 3
 Great review. But hey don't knock the rider, great to see someone who is not a 20 ish hucker, there are lots of us 50+ers out there who can still chase you young guns around the trails! We are possibly the best target audience after all most of us have 10 - 20 years of MTBing experiance so all mountain trail bikes are our bread & butter! I'd be interested to see how PB rate this bike to the KNOLLY endorphin? That would be a great side by side test....Great site
  • + 1
 who was knocking him ?
  • + 1
 simonspragg - I'll let you know, I'm getting a carbon 5.7, and my other all mountain bike is an endorphin! I'll be it will climb better, since the endorphin isn't the best climber. Right now I'd predict that will be as confident inspiring, but not as plush.
  • + 0
 Not to mention most of us middle-agers can actually afford this bike... without devoting half our annual salary to do it like the kids on here who's future include the words "would you like to supersize your meal combo today?".
  • + 2
 ^ you my friend are a cock end!!! How can you put young people down like that? And quite a few young people can afford a bike like that by saving up. And you should come to macdonalds in congleton. None of the people who work in there are under 30-40!!! So stick that you nob end!!!!!
  • - 1
 everybody at my mcdonalds is filipino......... and people on the shore dont make fun of old guys, shandro will find you..... at the same time chuck norris finds me to i think
  • + 1
 Who was making fun of old people I didn't see that. Now that in harsh!!!!!
  • + 1
 lol sorry couldnt resist a dig on shandro... i only skimmed the comments and as i look back nobody is directly making fun of people but it is implied
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  • + 18
 Pivots are so cool have always wanted one.
  • + 3
 God Bless Dave Weagle...
  • + 2
 Oh and this is exactly the sort of article I'd like to see much more of on PB...great to have RC writing for the site now...
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 Thanks for alll the great comments. Also, just a few clarifications and updates: The bike tested was during the transition between model years. The new 2012 has a 142 X 12mm through axle standard. Also, the bike actually does come with Kashima coat othe fork for the XTR, XT Pro, XX, and X/O builds. The standard rear tire is a 26 x 2.35 Slant 6 on the rear now and Nevigal front. It makes for a good all around fast trail combination, but I agree with Richard that for more agressive terrain, a tire with more tread then the Slant 6 would be more appropriate.
Finally, the bike is offered in both 2X and 3X XT or XTR drivetrains and on the SRAM bikes the new X/O and X-9 bikes come with a 24/38 gear combination which is a really sweet combination.
Finally, I have had the pleasure of riding with Richard, and I have seen him drop some pretty crazy shit at press camps where the vast majority of other editors wouldn't touch it. He can ride, he can write and he is a super talented engineer/designer, and builder in his own right.. To top it all off, as one other person mentioned, he was Mantis bikes and is the inventor of the elevated chainstay, separate (bolt on) front and rear triangles, and several other major innovations. The modern mountain bike would not be where it is today without his innovations. Most people dont know that but they should.
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  • + 7
 Poor RC; no-win situation for you when you review a dialed bike. I've ridden the Firebird and a Mach 5.7 and they are very nice. I also own a Mach 5 and have to agree with the ride characteristics and description; its definitely an xc bike. I guarantee if Mike (or probably anyone else for that matter had reviewed the bike) they'd not get as much flak so yeah - much of this RC bashing appears personalized. I won't echo what everyone else said but add the following observations:

- That's a pretty narrow handlebar by most people's standards now. For such a spec and price, a wider handlebar that people would have the option to cut down would be nice.

- Pivot's chainguide does allow 2x10 installation but a significant amount of farting around is necessary. IMO that could have been better thought out

- Chris of Pivot likes funky new standards. I appreciate why as he's looking for weight-savings. But this is at odds with my personal (note this is just my personal bias) liking for companies to not put in funky new standards. I'm speaking specifically to the pressed-in BB 92 bearings (man those things can creak) and the headset standard (bottom cup is std 1.5, top cup is zero stack). I know the choices for these parts are pretty good but i dunno why. Stuff like that just bugs me.

Finally, this review is a bit late in the year so could perhaps mention in a sidebar that Pivot is actually selling through its demo fleet direct to consumer. The carbon frame is also mentioned but worth nothing that latest and greatest frames tend to render the older models to be cheaper. Good for consumer!

whew typed too much
  • + 1
 So i should get the firechicken................????
  • + 1
 sorry lee i glazed straight over this and owe you some props
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  • + 6
 "The Mach 5.7 competes in the pedaling department with the likes of Specialized's Brain-equipped Enduros and Stumpys."

You must mean epics and stumpys, enduros don't have brains.

"We feel that the now-standard 39/28 double-chainring gearing is too tall for trail work unless your legs are race ready"

I think you mean 28/40.
  • + 0
 XTR RACE 42/30 40/28 XTR TRAIL 38/26 42/32/24 as far as the lack of brains statement I'll defer to the expert!!
  • + 1
 Thanks PB Minute Men for catching that. Fixed the gearing typo. RC
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 Detailed review! I have ridden a Mach 5 and Mach 5.7 and will be getting a carbon Mach 5.7 when it gets here. I also have a firebird and a titus racer100 from 2001 ( actually an edge Icarus if you want to get technical).

My titus is ahead of it's time, the frame has no play or issues but will be replaced with the 5.7 as my new xc bike. I don' t criticize rc's bias of Chris cocacis cause he creates great riding, great quality bikes.

You really can't say anything bad about this bike like you can't say anything bad about any of the high quality bikes out there. Reviews like this are great to give you more info to make more informed decisions. Also, this bike isn't widely available in Canada so this is probably the best way to get the word out and to let the rest of the world know of its existence.

I'm sure it will have it's place in my stable. I'll be building it light and agree it would not be the best bike park bike, if only because why would you want to run a thoroughbred down that nastiness? That being said, I did ride the 5.7 on some of our more techical north shore trails and it is pretty capable. Like the other poster compared his firebird and 5.7, both have their place but can overlap.

As for rc and pinkbike, I'm sure their relationship is mutually beneficial. Kudos to rc for having foresight to move to the Internet. Pb seems to be benefiting from rc's experience as well. As for the negative comments - my view has always been if you're making everyone happy you're doing something wrong! (just let mike review the wet weather stuff, rain jacket. In the desert? Lame...)
  • + 2
 i gave you props for writing loads. i didn't read it but you are amazing!
  • + 1
 lee's post was alot too
  • + 2
 good shout, i've righted that wrong
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  • + 4
 All well put Brad. RC brings many years of industry knowledge and huge amounts of ass-time on many bikes. Fact is, all the trades like the Mach 5.7. Lather it in kashima, carbon and XTR, it's hard to not score. What's RC supposed to say?! I've always liked PB, Ty and Mike have even answered specific questions of mine personally but adding someone like RC who knows the MTB industry from infancy....priceless.
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  • + 4
 I usually do not comment on these types of articles and debates, but I had to give my two cents on this one. I personally am STOKED that RC has joined the PB team and added some much needed diversity to the content. I understand that the majority of users on this site prefer the gravity side of our sport, and as such there is bound to be some complaining when anything but the latest DH or DJ bike is tested. But to complain about someone like RC simply because you do not like his editorial style is sad and honestly predjudiced. RC brings an enormous amount of industry and trail riding experience and PB is so lucky to have someone like him on board! I enjoy his articles and I look forward to many more!! And to IanHylands, your photos are simply AMAZING and I feel much the same as you do in regard to a lot of the above comments.
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  • + 3
 For a lighter-weight rider, this looks like an awesome all-mountain machine. 5.7" of travel at only 25lbs? And you say it pedals well? Yes please. I only weigh about 150lbs and I wouldn't hesitate to shred any trail I ride on a regular basis with this thing. Of course, I don't live where the big rocks and real gnarly DH trails are, but it's still saying something.

P.S. Wide format for these articles is SICK. Better than having a magazine in your hands.
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  • + 3
 So you have an issue with RC that appears to be unfounded. I mean, all Im saying is, what is there to say bad about this bike? Why do you assume that because he doesn't say "this bike rides like garbage" that he's full of it? Its a dw-link with XTR......of course its nice, why the hell wouldn't it be? He goes through the features and does a thorough job of it. What is the article lacking? I feel that just because RC comes from a magazine backround you fear what that might do to Pinkbike, but you wont even give it a chance.
  • + 2
 I'm guessing you are responding to a comment that has already been pulled.
  • + 1
 Acually one further down the page, soemtimes PB puts your comments wherever lol
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  • + 4
 "Pivot's super-strong rear derailleur hanger."
Surely thats a bad thing, as the point of the hanger is to be weaker than the mech, so if something does go Pete Tong, just the hanger gets f*cked and your mech stays ok?
  • + 2
 hangers are really just an idea, I think....lol I've ripped plenty of rear mechs off my bike, and i still have the original hanger in perfect condition on my bike...
  • + 1
 Yeah I thought the same thing josh , as I have written off loads of mechs on various bikes but not one of them resulted in much more they a slightly bent hanger ( like 5 degrees out of line ) and a completely dead mech :/

Moral of the story ? Mechs need to go into the pages of history ,pulling/dragging/pushing chains across cogs is such an archaic way of changing gears that it has no place on modern bikes in my opinion !
  • + 3
 @joshleb, most hangers aren't designed to protect the derailleur, they're designed to protect the frame. So if something goes wrong your mech and your hanger get destroyed, but you don't need a new frame...
  • + 1
 Rear triangles aren't cheap, I got mine replaced by warranty thankfully.
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 I've been riding an M5.7 for the past year and I think it rocks. I built mine with a traditional 3x9 drivetrain, which I prefer since you don't have to compromize on either end. I totaly disagree on the super strong derailleur hanger. I bent one on the first ride. Seemed to me to made out of some pretty soft material and we very easy to bend back. I rode a lot of bikes before I settled on this. Of course, others may have different preferences. I will say that for more technical riding, I prefer their Firebird, but can tackel pretty much the same terrain on the M5.7, just not with the same confidence or speed.
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  • + 2
 I love mine, the thing kicks ass. Seriously the best trail/all mtn bike I've ever ridden.

Also, with regards to the bitching, I didn't see anyone whine when Levy tested the ASR 5 which is an even more XC oriented bike.
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  • + 4
 for some reason never liked the way the linkage bundle looks on pivots.... this aside they ride SO nicely
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  • + 1
 After a year of saving and researching, I decided on the 5.7 (new 2012 XT build) despite being poor! Finally paid in full expecting to see my bike in two weeks tops. Well It's been a month and it still has not shipped. guess they are out of rear shocks. Frown It's killing me!!! As of today, still no shipment from FOX. UGGGH, Why me?!
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 One other thing. The derailleur hanger is forged 7075 aluminum so from a shift stiffness perspective, it is equivalent to non-replaceable hanger, but it has a bend point designed into it so that it can bend before damaging the R/D. More design time and engineering goes into this then one would think. It's not a crappy off the shelf soft hanger. I think this is the pooint RC was trying to make as well.
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  • + 1
 remember when chris cocalis was in TITUS bikes. all that RC talked about was TITUS bikes.when chris cocalis left TITUS bikes...bang! RC suddenly forgot about TITUS bikes! and now... here comes pivot!
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 This Pivot is more costly and less capable than a 2010/2011 Specialized SX trail 2 frame. What gives, Pivot cannot even cover the linkage bearings with quality hardware? Lastly, the 2010 SX trail 2 frame has a 135 mm x 10 mm rear axle and can handle heavy hitting, dung flinging, gnarly runs down the hills! Why must we all robot repeat these unfounded absurdities. Sure, sure, in a vacuum maybe 135 mm x 10 mm is no longer acceptable. Does this mean that the Specialized Demos or SXs of the latter years are now nothing more than XC bikes? Do you remember Romo and Hunter insanely flying these aforementioned beast with 135s by 10s of bygone days? For example, Has anyone seen the immenseness of the Hope's 135 mm hub axles?
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 If your POD has a Specialized SX on top of a Veyron for sure you re not going to like the Pivot!
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 Wouldn't be comparing the SX Trail to this pivot, compare the SX Trail to the Pivot Firebird. This is squarely aimed at the stumpjumper FSR evo. Which has a 12x142 rear-end so dunno what you're on about w/10x135..
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 More bike for less. Exaggerations in the article too. That's what I'm talkin-bout!
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 I agree with lenmerderdenfer (htf do U spell thatSmile ). We are bombed by so many "new standards" that are this tiny bit better, and it is indisputable that they are better indeed. Each single one of them like: tapered steerer, 15mm axle 142x12 rear end, latest Gaint's sht is better indeed than older ones. Trouble is: do we really need that?

I think people should stop believeing that suddenly this new standard is going to put down to any pains connected with "the old" stuff. Many behave that way. Oh this bike doesn't have this or that - I want a "MODERN" bike. Sorry stiffness increase, better weight to strength ratios and all that stuff is just a small part of the puzzle that makes a product truly performance enhancing and reliable at the same time.

There are new products coming up to cater those "modern" standards and how about issue like making new axles, bearings - stuff that evolved for years to make this old componentry work well. To be reliable. Now some part of that development goes to garbage. Devil lives in details and you never know if making a new axle with slightly different dimensions doesn't mean that we will have to wait some years until they make it stop cracking? new axle means new freehub body, or new dropout in the fork?
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 I don't agree w/every modern standard, but here's my 2 cents on 12x142 after switching to it on my new frame:
12x142 - 1.) Most good+widely available 135mm rear hub adapt to it(my hope pro2 for example) 2.) Because you're still using your old 135mm hub you don't have to run any different bearings or freehub or w/e 3.) Any frame with a 12x142 rear end comes with an axle, and I'd be willing to bet it's pretty darn reliable(let's be honest they've been making 12mm rear axles/maxles/rws axles for awhile now) 4.)12x142 rear dropouts are keyed for the hub so the wheel w/slide in and bolt up without you having to align the axle and whatnot.

I think 15mm front axles are unnecessary when a 20mm will more than do the job.
Tapered steerers are noticeably stiffer than straight 1 1/8" steerer and you don't have to buy a dumb 1.5" stem.
Straight 1.5" steerers are just dumb from the get go and should have never existed(it will die).
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 ya 15mm, just another standard... and will never be as stiff as 20mm which can be light enough
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 We've gone off topic but... I think that 15mm axles are here just to separate the XC and trail forks from the bigger ones.
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 Yea the big question is why to separate? so that it goes well with shaving legs? I got that feeling that it was done with an elitist XC prick in mind. You know the one prancing around Lake Garda in expensive Assos jersey and shiny Sidi clipless shoes: "Look at me! I am mohr fit than those filthy donwhilliehrs but moh skilled than rhegulah Xc pusseez! And thiz 15mm phoduct exphesses my fabulous individuality!"
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 I kinda agree with you Waki, but there must be that separation, cuz those 15mm axles are not so strong as the 20mm ones (I don't know by how much, but they have to be) like the forks themselves, and why would a new trail fork like this Fox with 32mm stanchions need a 20mm axle? And all the Rock Shox trail forks are the same, 32mm stanchions - 15mm axle. I think that bigger diameter stanchions would make a bigger difference than the smaller axle on those forks. So if you want a 20mm axle, there you have the Fox 36, Lyric and 55.

By the way, I would put a 15mm fork only on my small travel XC bike (except the fact that I will never have one, cuz I would prefer a trail bike, lol), and 20mm on everything else.
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 Trouble is, that making all these intermediate standards we might end up with 9mm for 80mm forks, 12mm for up to 120mm forks, 15mm for 120-150, 17mm for Am forks 150-170 and 20mm only for Dh bikes. It's a logic that never looks back wondering - s it truly worth it? I rode a 170mm 66rc2x with 1, 1/8 and never felt that fork is not stiff enough. These are small adjustments that are undoubtly working better for specific use than existing ones, but still: why all this trouble? Look at bottom bracket "standards", which somehow got a bit under radar, all these BB30, BB91 - we all know where it leads: buying a complete bike will be an only option soon.
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 I gotta say, these wide format articles look fantastic on the iPad. Keep it up!
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 I don't want to poke a sh.t, but is the rotor size really 150mm? You probably havent't noticed it because it's in metric system, but rotors are standardly 160, 180 and 203mm (or 200).
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 150mm is a pretty standard rotor size for XC bikes, it gives up a bit on stopping power, but it's also a lot lighter...
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 just checked the Shimano site. They offer for the trail brake 203mm, 180mm and 160mm rotors. For the race 180mm, 160mm and 140mm (only for the rear) rotors. When visiting the Pivot site there is a close-up picture of the rear wheel with a 160mm rotor installed. Just my 5 cents. But aside that the bike looks really nice. Will try one coming season.
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 yes rotors are metric yet we still see morons constantly calling the 160mm rotors as 6 inch when they're actually 6.3 inches. We see this in magazine reviews and we see this in forum posts and classified ads. But if you really need to nitpick out this pivot review to a typo on the rotor size... you need a new life goal.
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 Nice bike, the sag indicator is a good solution to a problem that could be easily sorted. My rock shox monarch has the sag levels laser etched onto the shock already...simple and effective
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 what the... 6900 bucks and running XT pedals? Jesus, at that price why isn't it all XTR?
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 it doesnt come with pedals from the factory
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 I have been looking at this bike or the stumpjumper evo. This bike is sweet but the price factor will probably make me go the stumpjumper evo route
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 Get the EVO. I have the 2011, also reviewed on PB. Ripping bike but the fox 150 rl is the weak link. Great deals to be found on the Marzocchi 44 RC 3 ti, also reviewed by RC on PB. That along w/the 2.35 Panaracer Rampage Sc's. Good climber, flies on the downhills!
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 This is exactly what I want to repelce my ageing SX Trail, if I ever have the spare cash!
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 Get a Firebird to replace the SX.
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 Interesting.

RC looked technically ready to ride. on one hand Im not sure what to think. I think with his presence one can safely say that it will be a fair review. However, I do think coming from MBA it throws a bit of dirt up.. However, Not really. He's one of us.....

I understand the prices for bikes these days. Fine. However, I feel the economies are causing imbalances. Enough said.

I hate the word " FUN" . I don't need reviewers or product managers manipulating me with the word " FUN" to sell a bike for 7000$. " Fun" is for jet skies., I understand that the new weekend warrior that is to buy this bike is the old Jet ski, motocross guy. Thats who is going to pay for this, unless he is a dedicated biker. I don't feel their selling bikes like this anymore to dedicated bikers. Their pushing a market for money. Where is the money. We will call what well sell " FUN FUN"// make it sound like " KEN AND BARBY".. And away we go.
Personally I take my biking seriously. I don't do it for " FUN FUN" I feel that word is despicable for those that take biking seriously. I got into biking to save my life. It was one of the things that got me outside... I didn't do it because it was fun. I did it for the hard work and the joy of that hard work and for other less fun concerns. mental heath reasons. Economic reasons. Physical health reason as I get older. If it is fun for me. Thats non of your business. Thats a personal experience when on the trail. My personal experience. And it is " HOLY GROUND". The word " Fun" is that spontaneous moment within the jungle that you have no conception of " its personal" Its mine..!! . It requires a thousand personal variables of intimacy that belong to no one else but me. Including comments to dictate what it is and when I should have it... STAY OUT OF MY JUNGLE PLEASE......... I didn't invite the marketer past the fence. whats he doing in the kitchen..!!
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 I ride for fun. For sure. I want a bike that is fun. This bike is fun. There are lots of other bikes that are fun too. Sorry for your health reason, but if you don't want to ride for fun, get a road bike! They really are the best for fitness and getting 'er done.
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 You are riding for the wrong reasons Sharon. Wipe that smile off your face! And salute me when I ride by you with an angry determined look on my face!
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 A road bike. I could pick up uniformed college girls with that. Thanks for the offer. Thats right. Salute .....!Pling A
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 This and the Firebird are at the top of my must-ride list at Outerbike next year.
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 That first picture is awesome.
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 Never liked the bent seat tube and linkage set up. Fugly if you aske me.
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 Just curious. The lower link is perfectly in line with the chainstay. It's virtually useless in that there is no mechanical advantage on it. This looks just like the Turner 5Spot in that it is essentially a single pivot design with extra complexity.
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 It's not even close to a single pivot...
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 The DW-link is a virtual pivot design just like the VPP, Haro Virtual Link, EVERY horst-linked 4-bar, Ellsworth's ICT and Rocky Mountain's Smoothlink/ETS (and dozens of others). The placement of the upper and lower links (which can be long or short) and where they pivot at determine the axle path and the actual point in space that the rear axle pivots around as the suspension compresses. On DW-link's the axle follows essentially the bottom half of a J letter shaped curve, where on say the Santa Cruz owned VPP patent the axle is following an S shaped path. The DW-link is purposedly designed to exhibit a lot of anti-squat behaviour as the rider applies power to the drivetrain, so the shock doesn't need to rely as heavily on low-speed compression damping for the bike to still pedal great.
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 OK thats the marketing hype and the verbage from the patent. However in this case the lower link essentailly does not move during travel. Any "J" shaped axle path is due to the main pivot being placed relatively high above the BB. The effect would be the rear axle gets further away from the BB for the first portion of stroke.
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 Perhaps you should actually read and understand the patent? Or better still, ride a DW-link bike. Single-pivots (or single-pivot linkages) with the main pivot located high above the BB experience lockout under power but that is NOT the same as experiencing anti-squat. The shortness of the lower link and its limited range of movement is very common to countless 4-bar designs. The only four-bars that don't actually use short lower links with limited travel in fact are horst-links (like specialized FSRs), ICT's, and lawhill 4-bars... all of which have lower links so long that the uninformend user thinks of them as chainstays and nothing but.

It never enters into most riders minds that the "chainstay" of an FSR is just the lower link, the "seatstay" is the actual swingarm that the wheel is attached to, and the shock link is the the upper link (and the main frame itself is the fourth link in the 4-bar equation). Apparently you're one of those types of riders. Because if you were in the minority type category... those of us who actually understand suspension design geometry and functions, you'd have known ahead of time that the lower link's size, and movement only plays a small part of the overall leverage rate of the suspension design. The angles that the elements pivot around each other, relative to one another, plays a bigger role to the overall rate than the lengths of the elements that make up the suspension linkage.
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 Well said deeeight!
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 Looks like a sick bike, Can someone buy me one for Christmas?
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 omg! just perfect!
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 I feel like I'm reading MBA.... kind of disappointed.
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 I really wish that everyone who is under the impression that Pinkpike is supposed to cater to their particular intrests and opions would shut the f up. You know what im disappointed in? That people can't appreciate a wide range of subject matter and editorial styles. I like the mix, I ride DH, XC, I still dirt jump once in a blue moon- Id like to have it all on my plate and I like looking at bike parts..and bikes. I don't care if some of it reads like an ad, I don't care if I don't always agree with whats said, Its always thoughtful and informative and I like that. Everyone bashing Pinkbike should just screw off imo.
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 why do you not mind that a bike review reads like an ad? do you like to sit at home and watch commercials on the teevee too? i mean i don't pay to frequent this site so i guess i don't really have any room to complain, but why don't you prefer bias free reporting? this is just silly.
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 They do a really good job here vs a lot of the magazines. To be honest I only sometimes feel like their reviews are a bit biased and I honestly don't mind that much. Its still content, content that I enjoy. What is it about this article that disappoints you? Out of curiosity, Im not looking to argue - Im sorry if I came off harsh there.
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 RC annoys me mainly. The fact that he contributes to this site just doesn't sit well with me. Please don't dominated the rap, RC, if you got nothing new to say.Who can deny this is not just a change in style?

I agree they do a really good job here compared to most magazines. I mainly come here for the videos, photos, and and user generated TRs anyways.
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 agree with TerrapinBen. having a journalistic style is one thing but it does reek of the mba mold, which is ad heavy and so their continent to me has always read and flowed in the same manner. article to ad had no difference. depends really on who is adapting to who here. PB it seems is trying to draw a different readership with RC in my opinion. Perhaps add different content as well. I'm willing to give it a sec to see what line he'll send it down..maybe I'll follow maybe I won't. being older myself I learn more from new school(anyone younger than me!) than old school when it comes to PB and bikes. It's the only way I keep up with my kid! My go to on PB reviews is Mr. Levy though..not hatin..just statin
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 I agree too! Pinkbike became huge because it was decent. MBA was huge once too. Keep Mr. Cunningham writing on here and see what happens. There is nothing wrong with people trying to keep Pinkbike from becoming the next MBA. Put Mike Levy on the bike and see what he has to say.
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 Reviewing a good bike is difficult. If it gets 10/10 stars, readers expect that it's an ad, or biased. The job is to find the best and worst things about the bike; where it shines, what is different about it than other bikes in the same category. These days it's hard to differentiate between bikes since all run excellent suspension technology and have progressive geometry. RC is reporting here about the value of the brand, what you get when you shell out the coin, and what works for HIM, and what doesn't. RC reviewing a Santa Cruz V10 wouldn't be entirely relevant, but a bike like the Mach 5.7 allows him to report based on years of his personal riding experience. Pinkbike sets up a reviewer with the type of bike that they would buy for themselves, for their geography, and for their riding style. In this fashion, readers get the most information possible about the bike and where it is meant to excel.

As someone else commented- it's a DW bike with full XTR, what's not to like? RC did a good job of showcasing the Mach 5.7's traits. You can call it an ad or bias because it is information to influence someone's buying decisions. Read deeper into it. If you were in the market for this bike, wouldn't you want to know everything you can about it? The goal here is to provide the riding community with information. A company that makes a good bike is going to score on getting a free bike review, and those that are lacking, well, they also get a free review from a qualified rider that has tested hundreds of bikes therefore able to apply their relevant experience to nit-pick on the finest details for what would make a bike perform better. Bike companies read the reviews as well, so even Pivot's competitors are taking note as to what revisions they can make in the future to build a better bike. It's a win-win situation for everyone involved, and helps, even if minutely, to progress the industry.

Take it with a grain of salt.
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 all good points brad...just as the points are on the different views for the reviewer. fair play. I'm ready to read more. I mean we all dig the subject matter regardless...in all fairness I am associating RC with MBA and not letting my brain seperate their history right now.
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 That association is easy to make, I mean, the guy is a legend for one reason and it's MBA. I don't know how the magazines work, but at Pinkbike, the bike companies aren't paying for reviews, adspace is paying for reviews, and all other content for that matter. I believe Pinkbike is about as unbiased as you can get.

It's a bit like when you met your girlfriend for the first time and you had to seperate the history between her and that other a-hole she used to be with. Regardless of her history, you appreciate who she is now, what she has learned in life, and that those experiences brought her to you. I've never met RC, but he sure brings a lot to the table as far as experience in our industry, and that's something we will all learn to appreciate. Smile
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 yeah but how many past girlfriends are we talkin' about? haha. as with your girlfriend analogy, miss right now may not be miss right..in the past 3 date minimum and that's with a wingman on point!
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 "but at Pinkbike, the bike companies aren't paying for reviews, adspace is paying for reviews"

Which would be, bike companys..... strawman point.
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 At Pinkbike adspace isn't even really paying for reviews. Bikes are submitted for review by companies that advertise, and by companies that don't advertise, and we like to think that they all get fair, honest reviews. And as Brad mentioned Richard is more than qualified to right a great review of this bike. He may have gray hair and glasses but he knows how to ride a bike and understands the technical aspects as well as most engineers. People need to quit associating RC with MBA just because he used to work there, there is a huge difference between the two...
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 atrokz, what I meant is that Pivot didn't pay Pinkbike directly to write the review. There are lots of ads on PB that aren't solely bike companies. For instance, I've seen ads for FitnessSingles.com on here. Do they get reviews on PB? No. But maybe they should...
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 Gotcha. Never noticed the singles ad though.
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 You were right though atrokz, I worded that incorrectly. Reviews do have POTENTIAL for bias. There are several reviewers for Pinkbike that are known for honest and unbiased opinions. It takes years to build up a reputation for that. RC's reputation comes from years at another publication, and regardless of anyone's opinion about his 'bias', he gives detailed insight into products that we are interested in buying. A reviewer's goal is not to sell a product. The goal is to inform the audience of the traits that make the product desirable. If it reads like an ad, it's usually because the reviewer has gone to great length to be as thorough as possible, and they ended up thoroughly enjoying the product. There are several instances in the above review that mention negative traits of the bike, so it's not all lollipops and rainbows in RC's world.
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 "For instance, I've seen ads for FitnessSingles.com on here. Do they get reviews on PB? No. But maybe they should..."

Hahahaha, "so here at pinkbike we got to ride Natasha from FitnessSingles.com..."
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 Click on reply and you see a note to keep it civil and stay on topic. So I'll stay on the RC topic

For those that are bashing RC, I may be wrong, but I think I recall reading a note somewhere that when he left MBA it was for some of the reasons you are bashing him(I'm considering not renewing my subscription because of the way they flog 29'ers). If my memory serves me correctly about this, than, to me, that speaks tons about his integrity. As a person looking to buy a new bike in the next year or so, I am gathering information now.I'll take in to consideration that he rode this bike with a build kit that I likely will not be able to afford, but I can use his suggestions in regards to drive train etc to make a more informed decision as I'm slapping xt/x7/x9 parts on my bike.

I enjoy reviews on PB and that other site; what is it nsm... sumpin or other, that seem to be written by average joes like me, but I also liked having somebody with considerable knowledge and expertise dissect a bike that is on my radar.

Thats my 2 cents so somebody pay up!!
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 I think everybody would benefit from having pinkbike making an article about what's involved to make a bike review? Something that explains how/why you get to test xyz bikes, how you chose the test terrain, how long and how you test them... up to the actual article. Do you always have carte blanche from pinkbike and the brands or they ask you if you could highlight xyz feature/technology?

As for one I am curious as to how the whole process works and on the other hand you wouldn't have to deal with the hassle of explaining that no, you don't get to keep the bikes/products and no they don't pay you, or your travel expenses or whatever every single time an article comes up. I think everybody would love to test bikes, it could be interesting to see how it actually works.
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 @PLC07 that's an awesome idea, and one worthy of a post. Let me see what we can do...
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 Just saying here, that every editor's review is biased. What makes a good reviewer like Mike Levy's opinion worth considering is that he has a history behind him that allows us to consider his bias when we read his reviews. Mike's history gives him the transparency that one rarely find in the forums. There are not many among us who have ridden more than a few bikes in the same category. Once you get a lot of bikes under saddle, It's not hard to tell the differences between bikes, even those with the same geometry and components. If one has the history, the bikes almost shout it out. The editor reviews the bike, but it's the reader who is in charge of reviewing the editor. I think PB has the right folks on board. That said: fire away!
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