November 14, 2007
Extra, extra, read all about it! Push Industries is now offering Rebuild and tuning service kits for RockShox Reba, Revelation and Pike forks. This past weekend I got a chance to preview a Pike Dual-Air kitted with Push's new Factory Fork System kit.
A question everyone wonders is “what will Push do to my fork?” Well the nice thing is that right off the get-go, Push gets to work with a solid chassis. Out of the box, the Reba, Revelation and Pike are pretty solid forks – but there is always room for tailoring the forks performance to the riders needs!
First thing that goes into the fork is the Push “Vault” damper seal housing. Machined from 6061-T6 Aluminum, the Vault seal housing features an upgraded Urethane Rod Seal as well as an exclusive dual guide bushing design. Urethane seals offer better impact, abrasion and tear resistance, while the upper and lower bushings prevent any damper rod binding even under the heaviest of braking bumps.
With the Factory Fork System they replace the RockShox single flow rebound circuit with a sophisticated multi-stage circuit. The rebound characteristic is completely transformed and is pre-tuned to the rider's weight. The first thing you'll probably notice is that the rebound feels slow, even with no rebound damping. That's okay because this intricate circuit is frequency dependant – therefore the fork's rebound might feel slow just pushing on it in the parking lot, but once you get going on the trail, that's where you can feel the difference.
In simple terms – “you get what you put into it”. The faster/harder you ride, the faster the rebound will be. The slower you ride, the slower the rebound will be. Like I said, you need to ride the fork to understand. Darren didn't give me any explanation before sending me the test fork – he simply said “ride it and let me know what you think!”
The first thing I mentioned to Darren after riding the fork is “Initially the fork's rebound felt pretty slow, but once I got on the trail, the fork worked really well and was tracking beautifully through corners!” Darren knew I was going to mention the slow initial rebound and that's his main concern since most people are used to fork with a broad range of rebound damping.
When fork manufactures design forks – they need to build them for the masses. By that I mean the fork has to work well for the 130lbs rider and also for the 200+ lbs rider. Push takes those forks and fine tunes them based on the spring rate the rider will be running. A multi-stage rebound circuit will give you more stability as the fork's rebound will adjust to the way you ride.
For the initial test I decided to mount the fork to my Chromag hard tail. In some rough sections I found myself wanting to go faster, but the back end didn't want to keep up! Like mentioned previously, the fork worked very well. Both under hard braking and over rough choppy terrain, the fork felt really controlled. First impressions were good.
I was really looking forward to trying one on a full suspension bike and I got a chance to do that this past weekend. I mounted the fork on my Stumpjumper FSR and took her out for a rip! The fork worked very well and although the fork felt slow in the parking lot, not once did I feel there was too much rebound! Typically if the rebound on your fork is too fast, the bike will drift wide or wash. If the rebound is too slow, the bike will tuck under you and you'll feel like the front end is packing. I felt like the fork was really balanced in that respect.
These are all initial impressions. I need to spend a bit more time on the fork and ride different terrain to get a better idea of the long term performance and durability.
Thanks to Darren and all the fine folks at Push Industries for giving me the opportunity to ride the first production PIKE Factory Fork System that they've built – even before the product was announced. Yes I feel special!
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huckoveraduck
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i have my suspension PUSH'ed and its super smooth
rockshox are already super smooth. can you feel a difference?
Looks like an interesting system. Any estimate on price? Look forward to your updates.
Also your Chromag looks sweet...beauty of a bike they make.
Also your Chromag looks sweet...beauty of a bike they make.
Thanks Mate - I really love the Chromag! As good as HT gets!
For price you'll need to contact the fine folks at Push Industries as it may vary. Depending on what you want done, it's between $159 and $305 USD.
For price you'll need to contact the fine folks at Push Industries as it may vary. Depending on what you want done, it's between $159 and $305 USD.
Any word on any possible Boxxer upgrade? Push Industries does some amazing work.
Pike, Reba and Revelation first. They do have plans on servicing Lyrik's and Totem forks but do not have any ETA at this time. BoXXer is always a possibility.
So wat does that do make the fork ride smoother?
out of the box, the Pike is already smooth- the Push kit doesn't necessarily make the fork feel smoother per say. But with the new linear guide bushings the fork will work better under side loads or hard braking. it will also creating less friction.
The multi-stage rebound circuit gives you more controlled rebound over small bumps, high frequency G-outs or fast/hard impacts. Think about it this way - the faster and harder you ride, the faster the rebound gets (high frequency). The slower you go, the more controlled the rebound is (low frequency).
The multi-stage rebound circuit gives you more controlled rebound over small bumps, high frequency G-outs or fast/hard impacts. Think about it this way - the faster and harder you ride, the faster the rebound gets (high frequency). The slower you go, the more controlled the rebound is (low frequency).
nice trails
its fun to ride a ht when the trails are that smooth
its fun to ride a ht when the trails are that smooth I was going to take my CX bike out but I had a flat tire. 
Nice!
Maybe Rockshox should hire Push to fix that nightmare they produced called the Totem 2-Step, since they've been unable to give the owners of that fork the product they sold them on.
Maybe Rockshox should hire Push to fix that nightmare they produced called the Totem 2-Step, since they've been unable to give the owners of that fork the product they sold them on.
Dave, I suggest you contact your local SRAM dealer or get in touch with them directly. from my experience, SRAM has an excellent CS department and if there is anything they can do for you, which I'm sure they can, they will be more than happy to sort you out. Cheers!
Where did you shoot the vid? Looks like Norcal??
I have always been interested in Push - and the Pike could be a pretty affordable way to get an awesome 6 inch fork!
I have always been interested in Push - and the Pike could be a pretty affordable way to get an awesome 6 inch fork!
yup...that's at Skeggs!
They should do one for boxxers.
Boxxer kits are on the way....probably the first of the year.
Totems too? Or is that later...
Well the new bikes are looking good and its great to see the new Pushed Pike on a variety of bikes too. Great preview Acadian!
you'd think you'd want your rebound to work opposite to that though, especially for jumping/ hard impacts. you'd want the bike to lift/rebound quickly while only slightly into the travel and then under a big impact a much slower rebound so you don't get bucked or throw into the bars.
The rebound responds based on what's input into the fork under compression. Short abrupt input off of a jump gets a quick response from the fork. Single deep impact under landing get's more rebound control.
They do Totems??
Not yet...look for them after the first of the year
Well i have to say Push does there job well.. I had my Vanilla RC factory tuned and wow.. It's a whole new shock. super buttery, eats square edges like never before and pedals better then ever to. Defiantly the best money I've spend on my bike yet. My favorite part about it is the bike corners so much better then before because it's glued to the ground. The only downfall to it is it makes my fork feel like it's filled with molasses compared to it.
hey, whats the name of the song in the video of you testin the fork out??
Talib Kweli – Reflection Eternal
when will this be available in the uk? will tf tuned stock the kits?
Are push thinking of doing 888s? if so when
this confusing. why does it still have the rebound adjust fitted?
as from reading the text it is no adjustable? and as the floodgate is external it is not needed for that.
so why leave something of the fork that may get lost and is not cheap to replace?
or will the production run have an alternative solution?
as from reading the text it is no adjustable? and as the floodgate is external it is not needed for that.
so why leave something of the fork that may get lost and is not cheap to replace?
or will the production run have an alternative solution?
because you still have some range of adjustability - lesser than stock, but you can still fine tune your rebound.
Motion Control is untouched. works great, just like when the fork came out of the box
Motion Control is untouched. works great, just like when the fork came out of the box
cheers as i presumed, thank you have cleared up a disscusion.
which t. kweli song is that?
will the push system work with the pikes air, u-turn system? or only for the coil sprung version?
definitely will be available for both Air and Coil versions.
What sorf of price range will these be in.
the shox look really soft or mabey it could just be your weight
Haha! He doesn't look fat!
Does the crown get the nice stickering when the factory fork system is installed?
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