TSeeing Zink pull off that 3 was an amazing moment in MTB history...and big props to claw for coming back so quick from injury and placing in the top three
anyone think bearclaw's run should have gotten him 2nd? i think holding that nacnac down the first 100 vertical feet of his line is worthy of mentioning
Lots of gnarly crashes with all brands of fork. But only 888s snapped. Bad luck? Test will be how many guys are riding them next time! Lol. At least one breakage looked random - on the gap-wall ride. Could have cost that rider a podium.
that fork straight up broke on him. he landed clean. but what kind of crashes did he take in the 6 months leading up to it is the real question. guys that aren't fully mega supported like doerfling don't exactly get their parts swapped out all the time like super pro's who ride for bigger companies. pretty unfortunate for marz and seriously, the crash hopkins put his bike through was retarded. anything would've broken there. but i wasn't sure it was just the fork. could it have been the whole headtube of the bike? i only saw one flash clip, i could be wrong braaaap!
Did you see Mike Kinrades crash? He bent his bars and broke a bone... hes been riding the same fork all season, unserviced, and he said it felt as plush as ever after the crash. Sorry, but I cant help but believe that Marzocchi moving their production to Taiwan hurt their quality, and I think that VERY CLEARLY shows here. The made in Italy 888s never broke at Rampage in the past. Give it a couple years for Zocchis rep to keep going downhill and they will do an about face like Manitou did and move production back. As far as who will ride them there next year? Whoever is still sponsored by them will... they have no choice.
it could just be down to chance, the way these guys crashed, doerfling was kind of expected as he fell so heavy and the guy who snapped them front wheel casing the 60ft canyon gap was expected really, he would of been going so fast
Who cares if someone at rampage broke some 888s? I don't think any of us mere mortals are going to be snapping a pair any time soon. They are very good forks, and we should not be put off buying them just because of this
I have been reading the comments with regards to the forks, and I fully stand by the 888. I can only speak for myself, but the crash I took at Rampage put exponential leverage forces on the entire bike (wheels, handlebar, frame ... ) not just the fork. My forward momentum combined with the impact angle of the bike, did not allow for the fork to compress, ultimately putting it in an impossible and compromising situation. No bike is meant to experience this scale of impact. I feel lucky to come out as well as I did, but it would have been a stretch to expect the same out of my bike.
i do think its just a coincidence that some 888s got broken in this event, of course it's the RAMPAGE. do you guys even remember the first batch of 2010 boxxers that got broken at the arch? they were just being used by normal people riding normally not unlike the insane big burly riding that these forks and bikes get abused at the Red Bull Rampage. there are alot of riders using the new 888 but not all got broken aint it. don't even neg prop me coz i only have a cheap bike but i say this because its just common sense don' you think?i'd still buy a 888 if i have the money
the few boxxers that broke at the arch were also ALWAYS crash related.
not exactly as dangerous a situation as stanchions breaking
but hopkins is totally right, thats what you get when parts are seriously abused. it just happens that no sram sponsored riders took such direct slams on their forks
but doerflings was different, the jump his forks actually broke on wasn't the actual cause, he landed well, his fork broke because it was fatigued from previous crashes or impacts
braaaap!
apparently i'm missing something... i see the one fork break @ 2:07 in the video where the rider comes up short on the canyon gap. Where are the other fork breaks? Or is it a diff video?
right after finals on the chat so many people were bitching about claw coming in third, but he did fuck up at the beginning and as cool as it looked he lost points for it. as for gee, he made a huge step down to hip that no ones ever landed before and he made it and his whole run look smooth as silk. so i thought the judging was very fair.
Claw was 1.2pts behind. I bet he lost more than that for stopping, talking and walking to the finish. So it is hard to say that on the technical side, he didn't deserve 2nd.
great ridding, but i think the photos are looking way better (and give you a better feeling of what went down) than the videos and why does red bull insist on using there sh*ty video player?
more like they're paying to advertise themselves, not getting paid. redbull doesn't make money from events, they dump money into events for the advertising factor.
pepsi spends their ad money on $10 million super bowl commercials, red bull spends it on sick events, which is fun, but the whole thing is a redbull commercial at the heart, think of how many RB logos you just saw.
gees got the tricks suicides, backflips e.t.c i think he's got next years world cup schedule in the back of his mind, after all, dans got a broken neck and rachael been injured for most of the last 2 seasons. gees an all out racer, he doesn't make his living from freeride(big mtn) he's got to play it safe to a certain extent, prob why he sat out his 2nd run.
The other guys all make a living riding too. But they were not too scared for a 2nd run. Zink crashed that 3 hard the first time, but still got up and tried it again. Incredible props. And why show up if you're going to sit back? Got to go for it.
If the video stutters, hit pause and let the loader bar go for a few seconds (or minutes) then hit play. Expand to screen for best experience. Don't touch anything else!!!! Especially that little slider with the two red arrows... it will kill your joy every time.
Gee just looks pissed in the closing seconds with Zink on top of the podium...
Claw's run was more tech, but Gee turn the gnarliest terrain into a basic race course...smoked the whole thing in like half the time as some of the other riders!
He should be pissed. I think he absolutely cannot complain about 2nd so it's a shame if he's sore about that. Can only blame himself for not attempting a 2nd run. I thought Claw was better.
If they took the timing out of this, Gee would not do too well with not much else in the bag but fast DH smoothness. Every other rider was doing crazy stuff to try and win it in style. Zink did it.
it is why style only count for 25% or this competition. it's a mountain bike event, not a slope style one. this is where a rider put his view of mtb on the slope. gee run was way more smooth than 75% of riders who had to almost stop then pedal a bit cause they lost to much speed etc..
There's no way Gee would win even if he made no hander. Zink's 360 is just a different class. No disrespect to Gee. He is undoubtely the most versatile rider out there and successful in almmost every mtb discipline possible. I knew he would do good at Rampage, do you remember his huck to flat during his winning run in Windham? sick as fok!
ZINK! CANNOT believe he pulled that off! GEE also major props too for 2nd! and CLAW lol well, what can i say he CLAWED his way back onto that bike at the start and still made a sick run! but still MAD PROPS to all riders that took part!!!
no way man nastiest trick would have been lacondeguys no handed flip btw speaking of him, does anybody know why brad can't pronounce his name? first and last? is he a name retard or something?
If I were one of those guys, I'd be sure to butcher his name if/when he interviewed me. Just because.
I would think that if you knew you were going to announce an event - ANY event - you would do just a hint of research and know your players. This 21st century world is all weird-like!!
and this isn't the first time Brads done that. He's been announcing comps like rampage and "crashworx" for how many years now? I'm starting to get a little P/Oed at him.
anybody who buys a monster energy drink should get the can slapped right out of their face.
monster does jack shit for mountain biking except pay sam hill and some other guys.
red bull makes this shit happen. don't ever forget it
the best things to ever happen to mountain biking
red bull made it happen
rampage
psychosis
exodus
5000 down
elevation, not mtb, but sick as it could be
gimme a damn red bull and vodka!
braaap!
buddy. i think you've got it a little wrong. that event wouldn't have happened in any similar form without red bull providing the money to support it.
and when a company like red bull throws a ton of money away at an event like this its not directly because we go out and buy red bulls. its actually because supporting events and athletes looks good for taxes. sure i agree the promotional side of things is a benefit. but its a tax thing.
all i was really trying to say is. redbull supports mountain biking way more than any other energy drink sponsor. they make cool shit happen.
very few companies do it in any comparable way
it would not have been this big, and possibly would have never happened.
without 30 grand to make a 40'x40' 360 drop worth it
people would be shredding no doubt
but not like this, if it wasn't worth a pay cheque
Riding at new levels will also come with the gravity payback. As for Redbull, some large unpleasant corp will sponsor an event. Seems like one giving back to the sport is the lesser of many evils. Elite riders will transfer their need for risk taking to other activities/sports, and relative risk is an important issue here. You or I would be much more likeley to get a shiny new wheelchair/coffin out there, whereas the challenge is relative to their ability. It's all relative. They weren't riding by the skin of their teeth, but they did get close to the raggedy edge when the trick bag was being emptied. Hence they were adapting the challenge to their level. I think watching crashes from a sport you do is more about relating to it than a sport you don't where it's just entertainment.
Breast milk has a high level of taurine, I think the Rampage should be sponsored by Hooters. (pinch of salt not included with my post)
And as if it needed saying, the riding was so sick it was terminally ill!
I completely agree with your first part of the post, and the last part; but (I've never been to Hooters so I don't know for sure) I don't think that many "waitresses" over there are pregnant ...
Red Bull Rampage is so EPIC. and everyone who participated showed the world that Mountian Bikeing will never stop progressing. I Love this sport!!! I just wish I had the balls to even attept gaps, drops and tricks half as Insane as these guys.
sooo sickk! but it was on vital first =p hahahaha zinks 360 was absolutely mind blowing like the sheer size and just everything about 3ing that set up is unreal props to darren as well for going back to the roots! i think thts where rampage is at.. technical big mountain not just all tricks
gee's run was butter simple as that claw messed up at the top if he didnt' maybe he would of got second but we will never know. for all that missed it live you all missed so much it was insane
"If gee could throw..." Exactly. But he can't/won't. So how is that versatile? His run was DH. Claw was balls-out FR. Zink was absolutely committed after crashing that 3 hard. Even getting up for a 2nd run was impressive. To try the 3 again at all was crazy. To nail it. Amazing. PROPS! PROPS for Claw's save at the top too. Amazing! That save was better than all the stuff G didn't attempt put together.
Gee should have won. and had bearclaw not nearly killed himslef then he would have justly taken 2nd. The main criterion was line choice and fluidity. Gee and Bear took lines that no one else went near, and Gee's run was unbeleivably smooth and so much faster than everybody elses. secondly Romo is an absolute icon and a proper sender, but couldnt hit that sender hip/wall ride...Gee really did make it look so easy and compared to the footage of Romo taking a hit, did it wih much more amplitude as well. Looking at Zink's run, its hard to dismiss throwing down a 3 of that size (props to him)...but we knew he was guna do it as he tried it first run and failed. On top of that he took a line which a good 40% of the other riders took, and did so without much grace or fluidity. This was after all not a best trick comp but the Rampage...THIS IS JUST MY OPINION.
yeah Redbull's input to the sport is amazing, they are soo dedicated. Apart from events mentioned above, they support local enterprises as well. I remember a trip organized 3 years ago in my area for about 25 riders, locals. They gave us Redbull bus, pimped nicely with playstation on board and lots of drinks. Plus a private ambulance was hired to provide medical help, just in case. And another car followed us, mercedes sprinter followed us, packed with our bikes. all for free!!!! big up to redbull
I want to add another " Gee should have won" comment. Looking at the rules, it IS totally more about line choice and fluidity than one huge trick (the 3 was HUGE! for sure though), and Gee's line was by far the sweetest and most original. Zinc didn't ride anything that hadn't been rode and rode and rode...
1.Gee 2. Claw (great mix of tricks and great line, just wasn't smooth, almost went over the bars and all that....) 3. Zinc
Is it a big trick competition??? Maybe the rules need to be re-done.
Totally sick... thx PB for getting this up so quick. Watched some live but the feed kept freezing. Props to all the riders! Can't wait for the video game! lol
Sick event as usual, Major props to Red Bull for giving us this amazing event for free The 3 of the Icon sender was just the highlight of my year. BTW Does anyone know where all the 3D footage is gonna be used?
Wish the dude in this pic woulda stuck that! ^^^^^ didn't see too many people hit that kicker? Yes Mt Biking has gone insane boyz and girlz ...and i think i like it!
gee is so good, there should be more DH guys who take time out of their DH training to compete in the other parts of the sport, all the athertons are true shredders.
So what your saying POWFEIND is you dont like progression?? Everything has to progress, and progression doesnt mean be a pussy and do the same shit every year... Push it to the limit or gtfo is what these guys are thinking.
tabletop666, your statement here is so full of logical fallacies, it's hard to believe it even relates to my comment. I love progression, but progression has many faces, and when you feel pressure to push yourself to such radical extremes because of pressure from a sponsor or efforts to "maintain a name" in the biz, you are not really doing it for the "progression" of the sport.
^^^man you can crash on your 2 doorsteps an fall dead...every time yo ride a bike no matter where, you are expossed to crashes and death....and in case that you don´t know, !!!this is RAMPAGE!!! gnarliest big mountain contest in the planet. "¿where is your logical sense, what do you expect?"
CAM ZINK IS A F_IN LEGEND, BIGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG RESPECT, AND GEE SECOND AWSOME..............................THE RAMPAGE IS MEGA......................................
Brad 'Jesse Ventura look/sound-alike' Ewen. Although I don't think Ewen was a navy seal like JV. I think JV was actually a frogman for a navy demo team in Nam as opposed to a SEAL. Here's JV. And check him in Predator too. Great movie. NOT Predator 2 - which SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKS - imo. www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoqmH49VBC0
they were all 888 but any fork would have broke under those circumstances and i think there was more riders on 888 they any other fork i didn't count but i saw alot during live feed
Lots of hard crashes of all kinds of fork. Only 888s broke. And several of them did. Is it that riders of other forks crash less hard? That still wouldn't be an advert for Zoke. Lol.
I agree, in a sport where most people sound like they dropped out of school in grade 5 - he gives an eloquent speech, I appreciate that from him and enjoy him winning because of that.
Don't know if I like seeing some of the sports best athletes putting their lives on the line with potentially career ending moves. I think if the sport is honest with itself, at least 75% of the people who watch Rampage are watching it for the wrecks, which seems pretty F'ed up to me.
It's a tough one. At the end of the day, kids hurting themselves to sell anything is obviously crazy. But on the other hand, making a living doing what you love is cool. We already banned almost everything due to insurance. That can also go too far. I think that whilst the wrecks are spectacular, more people are stoked by the saves, successes and the effort put in rather than the crash. And people do learn from watching smashes. Maybe a few other kids try something they shouldn't after watching Rampage. On the other hand, maybe a few more avoid injury after watching Rampage crashes and thinking more about how they use their own bike. And a lot of sports need a lot of failures for every success. There are plenty of injuries in gymnastics too for example. Rampage is a once every year (at best) event and considering how many riders were there and for how long, there were not that many bad injuries. Somewhere there is a sweet spot where it is watchable but without many fatalities. Like motorsport, skiing, bobsleigh, hockey, rugby and other speed or impact sports. You can never eliminate the risk of death or major injury. If people putting their lives on the line is unacceptable, then there are a lot of professions that need to change. And I am not advocating either way. The riders decide themselves on the actual risk of their own line and what features and tricks they will pull. They match it to their own abilities. Like Gee deciding a 2nd run was too much for him to handle. Lol.
If you wanna get really philosophical about it, the whole event is just a product of the division of labor - one of the foundations of civilization. These riders are super-specialists in biking gnar. So we put them in a special place to take it to the limit. This creates a market to see them doing what is almost impossible for any human and actually impossible for most of us - for one reason or another. To challenge whether it should happen, is to challenge whether div of labor has gone too far and indeed one of the cornerstones of market economics... And again, I am not advocating either way. But more on div of labor here if interested: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Division_of_labour
Great points FR1DE. It is a tough one. Rampage is about evolving the sport, and the athletes know it. Everyone's goal is to land their runs and not get hurt, and the invited athletes that compete at Rampage are the best of the best going for the biggest purse in mountain biking. No where else is there a 62 foot canyon gap or 50x50 sender (if thats what Zink's measurements work out to be??), no where else can the athletes choose to hit the built features as part of the line or carve in their own top to bottom runs on the side of a steep ass mountain... The speed, the exposure, and the size of everything is nuts and some of these guys make it look easy. Mad props to every rider on that invite list, everyone of them contributed to raising the bar. Rampage just moved our sport, stoked, can't wait for 2012!
Before we run with the 'company x is great' thing. Back to the philosophical point. Div of labor is why we have Rampage and also why we have the bikes we have. Like anything, whilst it has pros it also has cons. One of the probs w div of labor is that if people are so busy making heads for pins during the day & riding/relaxing most of the rest of the time; they might appreciate a company providing an event they like (Rampage) but don't have time left to think about - for example - that energy drinks usually contain lots of sugar, too much of that can give people weight probs, diabetes... Or that producing more sugar often involves clearing tropical forests, draining Everglades, diverting river-water etc. And if no-one has time to think about that then you can end up with a world full of diabetics, sugar-plantations... Sound familiar? Yeah - there is the obvious benefit of the entertainment we watched. But there could be other sides to it - like the point made by powfiend (lol at name), about injuries. Or others that may or may not be obvious. To be great you have to look at the whole pic. One thing I love about the biking community is they are normally interested in the outdoors, it's wellbeing and therefore the wider world so everyone everywhere has the opportunity now and in future to enjoy what we enjoy. So pls think about the big picture. Yes Rampage is great to watch. Maybe it could be better if the energy drinks industry used its huge sugar-buying power and massive profits to drive ethics in plantation farming and provide opportunity for guys that work there, as well as providing opportunities for those that want to be the best FRider on the planet, giving us entertainment and a sweet way to down more vodka faster. Lol. Who'd a thunk it?! PB becomes law school, human rights watch, sustainable development centre... Who says biking is not a higher pleasure? LMAO!
Hey, FR1DE, in thinking about this whole thing in terms of divisions of labor, you should consider the exploitation of athletes by corporations seeking to gain a profit from a laborer who is in many regards expendable to the corporate world. If the comments here -- Red Bull vs. Monster -- are any indicator of the mentality being propagated by such events as Rampage, corporations have scored a pretty convincing victory in using these atheletes to gain stake in their quest for the domination of this particular market.
^^^man why you keep talking about explotation of athletes???? did you see someone from oakley or red bull forcing Cam Zink to do a 360 from that cliff ??? stop that!!! or are you gonna say that bike companies are the ones to blame for doing stronger death machines with more travel so we can send bigger stuff or ride rougher trails ???? according to you we should close all bike parks who gets profits for kid breaking bones!!!!......we all do this because we want it to!!!! the sponsors makes the scenary so the best of the best can keep their dreams flying high
-huge drops > check
-crazy lines > check
-360 off the Icon > check
-canyon gap > check
-broken 888s > check x3
and btw, come on, upload that vid to pb! red bull player sux and I can't fave the video
Test will be how many guys are riding them next time! Lol.
At least one breakage looked random - on the gap-wall ride. Could have cost that rider a podium.
pretty unfortunate for marz
and seriously, the crash hopkins put his bike through was retarded. anything would've broken there. but i wasn't sure it was just the fork. could it have been the whole headtube of the bike? i only saw one flash clip, i could be wrong
braaaap!
and why does red bull insist on using there sh*ty video player?
pepsi spends their ad money on $10 million super bowl commercials,
red bull spends it on sick events, which is fun, but the whole thing is a redbull commercial at the heart, think of how many RB logos you just saw.
But they were not too scared for a 2nd run. Zink crashed that 3 hard the first time, but still got up and tried it again. Incredible props.
And why show up if you're going to sit back? Got to go for it.
btw speaking of him, does anybody know why brad can't pronounce his name? first and last? is he a name retard or something?
I would think that if you knew you were going to announce an event - ANY event - you would do just a hint of research and know your players. This 21st century world is all weird-like!!
That's pretty rad imo ...
You are right that Red Bull the most for a lot of action sports, but other companies deserve credit too
Breast milk has a high level of taurine, I think the Rampage should be sponsored by Hooters. (pinch of salt not included with my post)
And as if it needed saying, the riding was so sick it was terminally ill!
zinks 360 was absolutely mind blowing like the sheer size and just everything about 3ing that set up is unreal
props to darren as well for going back to the roots! i think thts where rampage is at.. technical big mountain not just all tricks
Exactly. But he can't/won't. So how is that versatile? His run was DH. Claw was balls-out FR. Zink was absolutely committed after crashing that 3 hard. Even getting up for a 2nd run was impressive. To try the 3 again at all was crazy. To nail it. Amazing. PROPS!
PROPS for Claw's save at the top too. Amazing! That save was better than all the stuff G didn't attempt put together.
1.Gee
2. Claw (great mix of tricks and great line, just wasn't smooth, almost went over the bars and all that....)
3. Zinc
Is it a big trick competition??? Maybe the rules need to be re-done.
The 3 of the Icon sender was just the highlight of my year.
BTW Does anyone know where all the 3D footage is gonna be used?
Yes Mt Biking has gone insane boyz and girlz ...and i think i like it!
Although I don't think Ewen was a navy seal like JV. I think JV was actually a frogman for a navy demo team in Nam as opposed to a SEAL.
Here's JV. And check him in Predator too. Great movie. NOT Predator 2 - which SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKS - imo.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoqmH49VBC0
Is it that riders of other forks crash less hard? That still wouldn't be an advert for Zoke. Lol.
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We already banned almost everything due to insurance. That can also go too far. I think that whilst the wrecks are spectacular, more people are stoked by the saves, successes and the effort put in rather than the crash. And people do learn from watching smashes. Maybe a few other kids try something they shouldn't after watching Rampage. On the other hand, maybe a few more avoid injury after watching Rampage crashes and thinking more about how they use their own bike.
And a lot of sports need a lot of failures for every success. There are plenty of injuries in gymnastics too for example.
Rampage is a once every year (at best) event and considering how many riders were there and for how long, there were not that many bad injuries. Somewhere there is a sweet spot where it is watchable but without many fatalities. Like motorsport, skiing, bobsleigh, hockey, rugby and other speed or impact sports. You can never eliminate the risk of death or major injury. If people putting their lives on the line is unacceptable, then there are a lot of professions that need to change. And I am not advocating either way.
The riders decide themselves on the actual risk of their own line and what features and tricks they will pull. They match it to their own abilities. Like Gee deciding a 2nd run was too much for him to handle. Lol.
These riders are super-specialists in biking gnar. So we put them in a special place to take it to the limit. This creates a market to see them doing what is almost impossible for any human and actually impossible for most of us - for one reason or another.
To challenge whether it should happen, is to challenge whether div of labor has gone too far and indeed one of the cornerstones of market economics... And again, I am not advocating either way. But more on div of labor here if interested: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Division_of_labour
One of the probs w div of labor is that if people are so busy making heads for pins during the day & riding/relaxing most of the rest of the time; they might appreciate a company providing an event they like (Rampage) but don't have time left to think about - for example - that energy drinks usually contain lots of sugar, too much of that can give people weight probs, diabetes... Or that producing more sugar often involves clearing tropical forests, draining Everglades, diverting river-water etc. And if no-one has time to think about that then you can end up with a world full of diabetics, sugar-plantations... Sound familiar?
Yeah - there is the obvious benefit of the entertainment we watched. But there could be other sides to it - like the point made by powfiend (lol at name), about injuries. Or others that may or may not be obvious. To be great you have to look at the whole pic.
One thing I love about the biking community is they are normally interested in the outdoors, it's wellbeing and therefore the wider world so everyone everywhere has the opportunity now and in future to enjoy what we enjoy. So pls think about the big picture. Yes Rampage is great to watch. Maybe it could be better if the energy drinks industry used its huge sugar-buying power and massive profits to drive ethics in plantation farming and provide opportunity for guys that work there, as well as providing opportunities for those that want to be the best FRider on the planet, giving us entertainment and a sweet way to down more vodka faster. Lol.
Who'd a thunk it?! PB becomes law school, human rights watch, sustainable development centre...
Who says biking is not a higher pleasure? LMAO!