Redalp Downhill Bikes 2012

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Marrakech (Jul 25, 2012 at 23:43)

Kill it before it lays eggs!

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chyu (Jul 26, 2012 at 0:06)

Nice way to mount high end bike parts on a metal box.

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cool-bro (Jul 26, 2012 at 1:15) (Below Threshold) show comment

Ahhhhahhaha Kill it before it lays eggs! dude best comment ever xD

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kingpin2607 (Jul 26, 2012 at 1:19)

Kill it. Kill it with Fire!

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Waldon83 (Jul 26, 2012 at 2:55)

It probably rides good, but I'd rather try ride a slice of pizza down a hill.

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ziggyzuggy (Jul 26, 2012 at 3:03)

KEY FEATURES:
* Chain link [Pro-Motion]. No chain growth, no squat, no pedal back kick!
* Lightweight – both models are less than 37lb (16.8kg)
* Reliable, robust aluminum/carbon frames in 6061-T6
* Increased rearward axle path dominates rocks and roots
* Single pivot point, reasonable production cost, competitive sales price
* Low maintenance

competitive sales price? seriously?

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Icculus19425 (Jul 26, 2012 at 3:19)

No one mentioned center of gravity yet? Looks like this thing would be very top-heavy with the shock mounted right under the seat. Also looks like something from the 90's...Someone Call Doc and tell him to fire up the Delorean

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taletotell (Jul 26, 2012 at 3:54)

I thought it was made of wood from a distance, but I would seriously try it. If it works well than haters can stick with their beauty products and nail salons.

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ToddMtb (Jul 26, 2012 at 4:28) (Below Threshold) show comment

So, it got hit with the ugly stick.....look abut like my sister!

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konafarker (Jul 26, 2012 at 5:06)

Title Should Read "Redalp Downhill Bikes 1991"

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BikeCircumfly (Jul 26, 2012 at 7:44)

It's not even cheap... 3000 Euros (frame only) and 6100 complete with the builtup on the first picture

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radrider (Jul 26, 2012 at 7:44)

also it should be noted that when redalp says that this frame is affordable they mean it is $3800...possibly the most expensive non carbon, non gearbox bike frame in existence.

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lance2012 (Jul 26, 2012 at 7:44)

It mostly comes out at night....mostly

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foghorn1 (Jul 26, 2012 at 8:20)

Low center of gravity is highly overrated.

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OTehNoes (Jul 26, 2012 at 8:23)

For DH, lower is generally faster.

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radrider (Jul 26, 2012 at 8:44)

"Low center of gravity is highly overrated."

The entire WC lineup would have to disagree.

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simsalonaut (Jul 26, 2012 at 8:58)

Sometimes sarcasm is a little harder to see. I lol'd though.

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mblakely (Jul 26, 2012 at 9:07)

milk came out of my nose when I read Marrakech's comment, that was really funny

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OTehNoes (Jul 26, 2012 at 9:25)

Don't worry guys! Its at a great competitive price at a measly $8,000!

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aoneal (Jul 26, 2012 at 9:28)

It already laid eggs.
They're called the Krutors...

www.krutor.cz/bikes/krutor/first_krutor.jpg

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ROCKSTAR-ENERGY (Jul 26, 2012 at 9:45)

I think we should give it a chance I mean just coz it looks unfamiliar doesn't mean it's not a great idea that could really kick off.

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OTehNoes (Jul 26, 2012 at 10:31)

That's exactly what is. I'm not paying that much for an unproven design! We can buy WC spec DH rigs for that kind of money, why buy some Frankenstein looking thing that we don't even know will work, and even if it did it looks ridiculous! I can just hear it crying: "WHAT AM I?! KILL ME"

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DARKSTAR63 (Jul 26, 2012 at 10:43)

I don't disagree with what others have said, but I will add this. The chain growth management is a pretty cool design exercise. I enjoy looking at stuff like this..... she isn't winning any beauty contests though Wink

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radrider (Jul 26, 2012 at 10:47)

Decided to show Redalp how its done.

www.pinkbike.com/photo/8447268

If i can do that in 2 hours,,, what is their excuse? Im guessing their main goal was to have absolutely ZERO form and some pretty simplistic functionality. They couldnt even align the rear swing arm with the frame...and goodluck adjusting your seatpost hieght!

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hampsteadbandit (Jul 26, 2012 at 11:04)

damn that is one ugly bike!!

the entire area of the linkage joining the suspension to the floating chain guide looks very vulnerable to crashes, rocks and roots we commonly have in DH riding, and i'd be interested to see how laterally rigid the BB area is as the frame has it "hung" very low off the main beam

interesting ideas for sure...but??

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blitz66 (Jul 26, 2012 at 11:04)

the swing arm will line up when the shock's sagged.... just sayin'

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radrider (Jul 26, 2012 at 11:11)

true but not many people take pics of bikes while the rider is just chilling on it.

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BalfaGuy (Jul 26, 2012 at 11:13)

Dude, I like your design. Much cleaner looking than the Redalp for sure. I will say, however, that improving on an existing design is 100% easier than coming up with the design in the first place. Does your design have as much travel? What about weight? is it the same? Your articulating chain link doesn't appear to have as much movement as the design you copied. How will this affect chain growth? You also mentioned that the rear swing arm doesn't line up with the frame. What about sag? with yours, any sag will cause a mis-alignment. The Redalp might be perfectly lined up when accounting for sag.
Not trying to be super negative and I would rather ride your design v. the Redalp anyway (cause i am vain, haha). Just saying I doubt that they are going to offer an 'excuse' for the design they spent money on developing. Maybe it is shit, who knows, but I think that weird stuff like this drives progress.

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taletotell (Jul 26, 2012 at 11:30)

radrider only spent 2 hours on it. The details can be worked out later. He should send his resume to redalp. They have a goodish idea but he can clean it up. His link actually actuates differently I think so. . . Get a patent on that man! Then leverage it into a sweet job.

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radrider (Jul 26, 2012 at 11:32)

Thanks, I will have to argue some points though. Yes improving on a design is easier, however I have completely redesigned every aspect of the frame. The drawing I made is not to scale, but the travel would be similar and I believe (how can I be sure) that the weight would actually be less even without carbon fiber parts. The chain link does move as much as the one on the Redalp, just a more simplified and stronger version. I understand that the Redalp swing arm would be aligned under sag, however the alignment is purely aesthetics and I think it would be better to be aligned for photos then while a rider is sitting on his bike, of course this is just my opinion. Dont worry about sounding negative, those are all constructive questions. Personally I see some major faults with a high mount single pivot design, mainly that the geo of the bike is going to suffer hugely during fast cornering, this is because the wheels relative to the rider are both going to move towards the back of the frame, creating a very unstable feeling. I do understand the reason for this specific suspension, it is mainly for eating up large bumps while maintaining momentum. I have thought up a design that would be able to eat large bumps like this frame yet in cornering the geo would be similiar to a slop style frame. Wont be uploading pics of this frame unless I get a patent pending on it though =]

Also keep in mind that the drawing I did is not to scale, some parts may be off by as much as half an inch.

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jizzy-b (Jul 26, 2012 at 14:54)

Makes mingers seem somewhat appealing.

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kylexdjx20 (Jul 26, 2012 at 15:01)

It didn't get hit with the ugly stick. It got gang banged by the forest.

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bmbracing (Jul 26, 2012 at 15:07)

Yeah radrider, I thought the same about the geo in the corners when I first saw the pics. Also I can imagine the brake jack on that is gonna be savage - rapidly changing wheelbase with no floater to alleviate it. And the high COG as some people have already said. And the looks... Razz

I like the concept of the idler pulley, but, much as I love all (well, most!) things Swiss, overall I definitely don't feel the desire to ride or own one of these! Big Grin

However, those freaking over the price, bear in mind they are in Swiss Francs, not Euros as someone said! So all the prices are a fair bit less - still not cheap though. Frown

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dmadness (Jul 26, 2012 at 16:40)

Looking at this thing was harder than watching the dog puke on the floor and then Lap it back up after.... This is quite possiblly the ugliest bike ever made. :s

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OTehNoes (Jul 26, 2012 at 16:40)

Well... watching a dog doing that isn't that hard but I get your notion lol

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mtbtyrrell (Jul 26, 2012 at 16:55)

wouldnt want my chain to snap and crack my balls on the shock adjuster knob thingy, it's cool you can access it though

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OTehNoes (Jul 26, 2012 at 16:56)

The piggy back? You'd have to f*ck up pretty badly to hit that!

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dmadness (Jul 26, 2012 at 17:22)

I just meant its hard to look at..

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gvnick (Jul 26, 2012 at 17:34)

With that angle on the swingarm it looks like it would have a tough time rebounding.

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KonaStinkyKid100 (Jul 26, 2012 at 18:13)

i heard a rumor Gwin is helping them prototype and hes racing this exact bike next year

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Reed-Eidman (Jul 26, 2012 at 22:32)

Watch Cam Zink get sponsered by them next year.

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bigburd (Jul 27, 2012 at 3:49)

Anyone can draw a pretty picture of a bike with out knowing if it actually works or not..

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taletotell (Jul 27, 2012 at 4:04)

No offense, bigburd, but do you know how drafting works? I suppose you can't know how it will ride, but the same goes for any bike you've ever looked at.

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bigburd (Jul 27, 2012 at 4:12)

No offense taken , but maybe I'm reading this wrong but this guy claims to of solved redalps design problems by drawing a pretty picture of a bike , right ?

No doubt he is talented , I mean that draft looks awesome and is a ton better than I could probably come up with , but to me it's still just a nice picture.

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taletotell (Jul 27, 2012 at 4:24)

true, but he has taken the advantages in the redalp design and put them in a design more suited to mainstream tastes. Whether his different take on the chain tension system would work is a good question. I still have my doubts about how any top link design will handle brake jack

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bigburd (Jul 27, 2012 at 4:26)

Well he definately made it into a more visually appealing bike , if that is what he set out to do then fair play to him.

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radrider (Jul 27, 2012 at 7:28)

I dont know anyone who can sketch up a frame that will work exactly how it is drawn up, obviously there would need to be work done to finalize the design and make sure all the pivots points are optimal. I am positive that with a few mods the design I did would work, however I would need computer testing to perfect the chain growth system and pivot points. The main aim of the drawing is just to show a general idea of how to get a better look while maintaining the same geo and functionality of the orginal design. Also I didnt spend much time at all on making this design as I just did it to prove a point. Also I would incorporate a hidden floating brake into this high pivot design.

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DARKSTAR63 (Jul 27, 2012 at 8:02)

With a working knowledge of engineering and design, yes, one could draw something that would work. It's how it was done for a very long time before computers came along. I do like your drawing though, I just dont know for sure that it would work. Your design is purely based upon aesthetics. It does look pretty good though. I will give you that.

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OTehNoes (Jul 27, 2012 at 8:11)

Exactly; You draw a design, stress test then modify, but I'm pretty sure if everything is done properly you wouldn't have to make many modifications to the design...

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radrider (Jul 27, 2012 at 8:13)

The thing people dont know about my designs is that they start out as purely functional, and then I keep tweaking it to make it more appealing, but I am able to do this without hindering the functionality at all.

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Sidor666 (Jul 27, 2012 at 8:32)

How about if you make a glove compartmen inside this thick beam usually called frame?? You could bring some sandwiches.

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radrider (Jul 27, 2012 at 9:22)

lol that would actually be a sweet feature for an AM bike

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printuser (Jul 27, 2012 at 9:31)

I agree. Remindes me of some of the downhill bikes I saw in mountain bike action back in 97.

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radrider (Jul 27, 2012 at 10:45)

Just finished another design, this one is styled more like the Redalp to show they can keep their signature look but I think this is more appealing to the MTB crowd.

www.pinkbike.com/photo/8450905

and incorporates a much needed floating brake.

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aoneal (Jul 27, 2012 at 14:05)

^^^ You are certainly not Swiss (your designs actually make sense).

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willsoffe (Jul 28, 2012 at 5:00)

I don't care how it looks and the design probably works really well. Geo doesn't look bad.

But I have to agree with some of the above comments: High CG will be the reason it fails. Well, that and no one seems to buy ugly bikes. I don't see why personally; it's not how it looks that matters!

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dmadness (Jul 28, 2012 at 12:00)

looks DO matter, who in the hell is gonna spend 6 G for an ugly bike ?

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taletotell (Jul 28, 2012 at 12:07)

Too bad for this bike it came up on PB right at the same time as some real beauties from other companies.

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groghunter (Jul 29, 2012 at 8:25)

your new design is more like theirs, But I'm totally sketched out by the floating brake, just imagining how far that rod is going to impale you if the front hardpoint snaps, and seems like alot of force is going to be headed in that direction because of the design. It'd probably work fine, but I'd be scared to ride it, just the same. Honestly, i think moving away from their look is a good thing, because triangles=strong, and straight lines = weak. I'd be surprised if you couldn't make the thing lighter just because of all the material you could gut out using triangles for both pieces instead of straight lines. Not to mention how much easier it would be to work with the production shops in asia.

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mfbeast12 (Jul 30, 2012 at 23:23)

imagine seeing someone riding this at the world cups!

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bmbracing (Jul 31, 2012 at 14:57)

Groghunter, I doubt very much you're gonna see a broken floater, even assuming the brake force was capable of doing that much damage it would likely as not rotate the tyre or even tweak the wheel first. My old V10 had a floating arm in much the same position as radriders, attached high up on the upper suspension link, and I had no fear of being impaled by it - it was as beefy as most suspension linkages. My Foes brake arm is attached to the frame by a single thin bolt, and that has survived years of riding. Razz

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ziggyzuggy (Aug 2, 2012 at 3:23)

www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PrCg8yRfZ0

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bigburd (Aug 2, 2012 at 4:17)

Sorry ziggy but you done nothing to prove that this bike is not ugly , rambling about bikes that look pretty normal to me , though not ' sexy ' does nothing to disprove how ugly the redalp is regardless of the reasons behind it being ugly.

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Barnseyhcxc (Aug 2, 2012 at 5:57)

Anyone fancy some brake-jack?

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groghunter (Aug 2, 2012 at 9:13)

bmbracing, i completely agree. it's a mental thing, having it be 3 inches from your posterior is just something i'm a little leery of.

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ziggyzuggy (Aug 3, 2012 at 3:18)

sorry bigbird i never have said anything about this bike except the price... i just saw this dude bloging about the bike just sharing it here was looking for videos of redalp on youtube if they have some but instead this ..

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bigburd (Aug 3, 2012 at 3:44)

Ah ! sorry dude , I assumed it was your rant Razz

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radrider (Aug 4, 2012 at 16:34)

floating brake is no longer on my new designs, redalp had done testing and found that it isnt needed.

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erikbrickell (Sep 2, 2012 at 9:09)

It only costs 7,744.31 CAD for this metal box.

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Sidor666 (Sep 3, 2012 at 3:07)

and yet still no glove compartment 8/

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manuesi (Apr 16, 2013 at 13:06)

eggs have been laid, the beast has eclosed... www.pinkbike.com/news/Redalp-Launches-New-Enduro-Bike.html

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milanulrich (Jul 26, 2012 at 0:08)

Is It A Plane? Is It A Bird? No..It's....Optimus Primes right arm

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jake-nangle (Jul 26, 2012 at 2:14)

Best comment I have ever seen Smile

made my day haha!

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finnrambo (Jul 26, 2012 at 2:19)

when optimus prime jacks off this is probs what came out...

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Waldon83 (Jul 26, 2012 at 2:51)

too far

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digital-criminal Plus (Jul 26, 2012 at 9:08)

red rocket..

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jimbobcress (Jul 25, 2012 at 23:34)

Hmm they should stick to making watches....

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saintjimmy (Jul 25, 2012 at 23:48)

and knives, the Swiss make a mean knife

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freeriderdeluxe1231 (Jul 25, 2012 at 23:50)

I'm sure it corners about as well as a giraffe.

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bendy (Jul 25, 2012 at 23:59)

haha, i just imagined a giraffe going flat out into a berm lent right over lol

made me chuckle

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SandersB (Jul 26, 2012 at 0:15) (Below Threshold) show comment

me too!

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manuesi (Jul 26, 2012 at 0:21)

OH MY GOD!!! i feel so embarassed right now!
when i saw the name "Andy Wuthrich" i thought "please let it be german or austrian"...

"REDALP is a Swiss Mountain Bike manufacturer"

BOOOM! Facepalm

i'm sooo sorry guys....

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manuesi (Jul 26, 2012 at 0:32)

oh and we do have good cheese and chocolate Wink

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powpowpow (Jul 26, 2012 at 0:50)

So embarassing....

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chochocat (Jul 26, 2012 at 0:50)

your best chocolate comes from our best cacao so... it doesnt count, but its pretty damn good chocolate have to admit Wink

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milanulrich (Jul 26, 2012 at 3:26)

Haha, that was best apology ever. Smile

so funny, oh and that smiley?! you kill it. Smile

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DBomberMan (Jul 26, 2012 at 10:42)

i dunno manuesi thats a hard one to forgive. Its just so...fugly

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tonydeluxe (Jul 26, 2012 at 10:59)

I'm moving to switzerland in september... not going to buy one of these monstrosities though! god damn thats ugly! cant wait for the cheese and chocolate!

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downhiller900sl (Jul 26, 2012 at 12:47)

chococat is clear about swiss chocolate raw materials

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peterbourgeois (Jul 26, 2012 at 21:35)

Somebody go get my giraffe gun and some beer so i can kill it and then get its picture out of my head

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no-ah (Jul 25, 2012 at 23:40)

i hope pinkbike does a review and it turns out to be the greatest bike in the world. cause it just looks so damn silly.

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Waldon83 (Jul 26, 2012 at 2:50)

At least it doesn't 'look like a Trek'

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hans241 (Jul 26, 2012 at 10:15)

Well said Waldon ! Hahaha !

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whiteox (Jul 26, 2012 at 0:35)

If a woman is ugly I don't give her the chance to see if she rides amazingly. Same applies here.

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oskarsig (Jul 26, 2012 at 6:20)

LOL!

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bigburd (Jul 26, 2012 at 6:41)

Dude you gotta poke a pig every now and then!

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tonydeluxe (Jul 26, 2012 at 11:02)

come on ive seen you aussis in action at whistler! you guys have permanent beer goggles!

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dmarquez2001 (Aug 3, 2012 at 21:20)

if a woman is ugly and has a great butt, I might as well..... throw a pillow!

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Da-Moose (Jul 26, 2012 at 0:29)

well damn, am I the only one who is actually very interested and would love to try this bike out? The guys that built it aren't stupid, they knew at least a little bit about what they were doing. It may look bad, but it probably rides like a dream.

I think the ability to run a high pivot and rearward travel would be a huge advantage. I say good work to Redalp, and don't talk shit about a bike until you ride it. Saying things like "It corners like a giraffe" may be true, but how do you know unless you ride it?

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TKy5e (Jul 26, 2012 at 0:48)

agreed^^^

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johnysss (Jul 26, 2012 at 2:23)

agreed x2

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milanulrich (Jul 26, 2012 at 3:14)

am I only one who is actually very interested and would love to try that giraffe out?

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sdoolan (Jul 26, 2012 at 3:24)

If it rode better than all of the prettier bikes out there then I'd buy it. It's centre of gravity looks very high though so I can understand why people would think it corners badly. Would still like to ride it once though.

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jagarcia89 (Jul 26, 2012 at 5:56)

looking at the geometry numbers on the website i know it wouldn't ride well. Look at the standover and BB height

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spaced (Jul 26, 2012 at 6:50)

The guys who built it aren't stupid because ? They live in a foreign country? 18.5'' CS with a big rearward component and an overall f*cked up geometry. Idler that is too low for it to work how it should. It won't ride good.

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radrider (Jul 26, 2012 at 8:00)

High BB, high center of gravity, and the wheelbase will grow rearward during heavy cornering, all very bad characteristics for cornering.

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Burker (Jul 26, 2012 at 8:43)

@spaced - the idler is exactly where it's supposed to be to work how it should - it's on a link and moves with the swingarm... this link is the basis for their suspension claims.

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spaced (Jul 26, 2012 at 9:22)

@Burker even if it works which neither of us can proove why not use a simple idler on the pivot point. It's smaller and lighter and works always?

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brit-100 (Jul 26, 2012 at 0:03)

The really sad thing is, someone somewhere has put months/years of their life into this brand and this frame. They've slaved away for endless hours, put their heart and soul (and life savings) into making a go of 'Redalp'. They signed off the final blueprints for production and said to themselves "That's the very best DH frame ever designed, I'm sure of it."

And the whole thing was a waste of their life. They will sell exactly 0 units. No-one, ever, anywhere, will spend their money on this horseshit. What an awful waste.

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alexsin (Jul 26, 2012 at 5:32)

It's hard to believe that along the way, through design, discussion, manufacture and prototyping NOT ONE PERSON (let alone all of them) came up to this guy and said 'as a friend I think you should know that this is a bad idea'. This bike is not the designer's fault. Every time you're not honest with your friends, this could be the result.

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chochocat (Jul 26, 2012 at 0:53)

www.ua.all.biz/img/ua/catalog/678025.jpeg

REDALP IM YOUR FATHER!!!

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monkeyboyjc (Jul 25, 2012 at 23:36)

any one remember S-bike? they did this in 1993 www.retrobike.co.uk/forum/files/s_bike_909dh_163.jpg

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Oisans (Jul 26, 2012 at 0:29)

Exactly what I was gonna say. Reminds me of S-Bike...already from Switzerland.

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TKy5e (Jul 26, 2012 at 0:48)

didnt know what that was, but after looking, lol. HOWEVER, after looking at this from an engineers point of view, and from never riding this; i feel like it could kick the shit out of any gnarly DH trail. the rearward axle path, looks as if you could run over a small dog and not notice. im always one to be more on the "dont knock it until you try it" side, and i feel this is a perfect example. yeah, it looks like your girlfriend has a leg growing out of her forehead, but in a weird way i look at it and say to myself: yeah, ok.. fistbump your homie at the bar, head home with that fugly chick.. it could be your best night ever, who knows!!!

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llarrggee (Jul 26, 2012 at 1:18)

S-Bike What a name. So Original.

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martyn748 (Jul 26, 2012 at 5:58)

Yes "S BIKE" i was trying to think what it looked like.
Again a bike that prob worked really well but got kicked in the balls before it was given a chance.

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monkeyboyjc (Jul 26, 2012 at 10:32)

S-Bikes were notoriously bad - very flexy, terrible pedal feedback etc....

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Monsterdon (Jul 26, 2012 at 0:01)

It's the worst looking downhill bike I've seen but if it gets you down the hill faster than anyone else, who cares what it looks like! Razz

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al-pine (Jul 26, 2012 at 0:21)

Compare this with a Mondraker Summum; it somehow manages to be both bigger and smaller (in all the wrong places) at the same time.

EG:
Large Summum TT: 600mm
Large Redalp (same across all sizes): 671mm

Okay fine, it is a big bike, but hang on... why is the wheelbase so short?!

Large Summum: 1215mm
Large Redalp (same across all sizes!!): 1174mm

Right, so it's got a longer top tube, but a shorter front centre than the Summum because the swing arm is absolutely massive:

Large Summum (same on all sizes, adjustable): 440mm (stock)
Large Redalp:469mm (frickin HUGE)

I have ridden in Crans-Montana and I honestly do not know how on earth they managed to come up with this bike. Crans has fast, flowy, well made amazingly long bermy DH tracks. This bike will not corner, it will not be stable (14.5" high BB!!) - what on earth is going on?

Good luck to them, try something different... just not everything different because there are reasons bikes are becoming similar in geometry these days...!

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manuesi (Jul 26, 2012 at 0:26)

plus an absolutely low center of gravity Big Grin

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brit-100 (Jul 26, 2012 at 6:03)

Weirdly, they list exactly the same sizes and diamentions for S, M and L sizes. Presumably that's some kind of error, which might account for the bizarre combination of lengths that al-pine lists.

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ctd07 (Jul 26, 2012 at 17:33)

The geometry is such because of the different suspension system, as soon as you sit on that bike the wheelbase will increase considerably, this rearward axle path also exposes the bb to the ground more as the wheelbase gets longer at full compression, so the need for the high bb too - its a bike designed to plow rockgardens, but it will pedal like crap and corner horribly

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al-pine (Jul 26, 2012 at 23:40)

That doesn't explain why the rear end is already 29mm longer than the Summum - with the reward axle path it will only get 'longer' thus making the imbalance between chain stay and front center even bigger. The geometry is such because they clearly don't understand what makes a good bike, good.

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Straner Plus (Jul 25, 2012 at 23:34)

Redalpiculous looking

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monkeyboyjc (Jul 25, 2012 at 23:35)

arrrrrrrrrggggggg, my eyes!!!!!!!!!

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kixx (Jul 26, 2012 at 0:08)

if you remove the cranks, it would look like a kids training bike Smile

) .... man that bike's fugly

www.ktm.ee/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/45868_3pw117300_kids_training_bike_11.jpg

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somemorestuff (Jul 26, 2012 at 2:18)

...and people complain when a new bike comes out that looks like every other bike. When someone brings out something different, it's slated! No way of winning here.

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thewolfe (Jul 26, 2012 at 11:48)

It's not that it's different looking, it's the fact that it has awful looking geometry on paper and a ridiculously high looking center of gravity. If they did this same sort of design with good geo, everyone would laugh cuz it looks a little bit goofy, but if the numbers looked good people might see that they were onto something

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SIGINT (Jul 26, 2012 at 3:15)

This is what happens when you let swiss bike designers smoke crack, eat dark chocolate and what not. I'm pretty sure the guys at the design department were sitting at 5AM completely wasted on booze and weed and they just looked at each other and said: "F*** it. - Let's just give them what we have."

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TerminusAvid Plus (Jul 26, 2012 at 3:28)

I know others have said this already but you guys are awesome, I just laughed my ass off for 10min straight, these comments are the best - thanks guys I needed this!

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ctd07 (Jul 26, 2012 at 2:25)

I think someone just bred an old Balfa with an even older B1 downhill bike :-/

i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb286/2026_man/balfa2.jpg
fstatic1.mtb-news.de/img/photos/9/7/4/8/4/_/large/B1-ShiverDC.JPG

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chazdog (Jul 26, 2012 at 9:37)

you beat me to the link with he be one dh, posted it in the suspension tech thread a few days back Razz

Seems like they've come to downhill ten years after they would have been innovative..

#soclose

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ctd07 (Jul 26, 2012 at 17:29)

psvita-ita.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/close-enough.png

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boggie (Jul 25, 2012 at 23:41)

It's clearly a case of function over form...you've got to respect that to some degree and I guess who cares if your bike is uglier than sin....you don't have to look at it to enjoy the ride

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radrider (Jul 25, 2012 at 23:55)

A good designer can incorporate design without hindering functionality...Give me an hour i could design a better looking bike with the same geo, easy of manufacturing, and use of the chain retention system. It does look like a strong design though...

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boggie (Jul 26, 2012 at 1:55)

I agree, that's why I bought an evil undead instead of a "Redalp"

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DownhillBen100 (Jul 26, 2012 at 5:10)

Claim..... I'd like to see such a design?

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radrider (Jul 26, 2012 at 7:35)

sure its raining today so i may aswell prove my point

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radrider (Jul 26, 2012 at 10:45)

DONE

www.pinkbike.com/photo/8447268

i made the suspension pivot and the "patented" chain tension device all incorporated into one system, lighter and just better in every way...

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Fix-the-Spade (Jul 26, 2012 at 11:31)

Well Radrider, you've just made those Swiss types up there look very silly indeed. For them, nevermind, but you should be designing bikes!

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boggie (Jul 26, 2012 at 11:57)

Yeah, even that looks a lot better, a lot like a zerode actually which I think isn't a bad thing

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DownhillBen100 (Jul 26, 2012 at 16:51)

Props bro... got some skills there, would love to see someone slap that design into a 3D modelling comp program or whatever it is to see how the ratios and everything work out and if it'd be any good. I'd certainly buy one if it still looked legit after that!

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radrider (Jul 26, 2012 at 17:28)

I can actually work out the ratios pretty damn accurately with a ruler, compass, protractor and calculator. Close enough to atleast prove that it can work, without any changes that would affect the look of the frame. I havn't done this accurately on the picture I uploaded as it takes about the same time to do that as it does to draw it, but I am confident that it would work as intended with very small changes.

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Yario (Jul 26, 2012 at 6:38)

$8083 CAD... yea i can see where the low production costs really translate to end user pricing... pinkbike should do a head to head with this, the V10 and the 9.9... beauty vs the beast...

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ragdoll (Jul 26, 2012 at 4:25)

okay it may not be pleaseing to the eye. but im not going to knock it, based on the pure fact that these guys are actually out there doing something, trying. everything has to start somewhere. and i guess its hard to bring something thats new and fresh out these days based on the pure fact that there are companies who have been around building and designing frames/bikes for years, and have been extremely influential in shaping the market based on how riding has evolved. its not my cup of tea, but that doesnt mean i have to say something bad about.

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shredstatus (Jul 26, 2012 at 0:55)

The funny/sad part is at some point, a bunch of people probably sat around a table and all agreed "Yes this looks cool, people will want to buy this."

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TotesRidic (Jul 25, 2012 at 23:41)

I thought this was a joke and PB was doing a throwback to the early Norco VPS bikes.. these are just as fugly.

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jtb5150 (Jul 25, 2012 at 23:36)

Regardless of functionality...ugly as sin.

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cowsie93 (Jul 26, 2012 at 4:16)

i dont mean to be that guy, but company's like this that come in design a bike and say its "innovative" they never sell any of them and if they do its very few i mean look at it ! looks like he went out one night and hacked down a bridge it doesnt have a top tube it has a gurder !

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myothercarsa2cv (Jul 26, 2012 at 4:10)

Ok I've knocked up a little paint pic to show what I'd do to move the CoG in the right direction as I mentioned above. www.pinkbike.com/photo/8446424
You saw it here first. This will allow them to get rid of the heavy rod ends. It will move the piggy back reservoir away from your nadgers. It will allow a redesign of the seat tube to give a bit more flexibility. It will be lighter overall I reckon. But most of all, the weight will be lower, the pivot can remain high, and the neat zero chain growth mechanism can be retained. All pretty simple. I've sent it to them, maybe they'll give me a job Big Grin

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myothercarsa2cv (Jul 26, 2012 at 4:11)

Ah shoot I just redesigned the Balfa BB7! Doh!

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chazdog (Jul 26, 2012 at 9:35)

lmao dude!

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ncc1701 (Jul 26, 2012 at 1:06)

Does it come disassembled with an allen wrench?

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freerideglory (Jul 26, 2012 at 1:17)

To see if there's another way of putting it together which makes it look even just a little better.

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wesdadude (Jul 26, 2012 at 3:05)

He was making a pun on IKEA.

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freerideglory (Jul 26, 2012 at 7:00)

Oh yeah I just got that, thanks Smile

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Lehel-NS (Jul 26, 2012 at 7:16)

But you made a good point too! lol

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freerideglory (Jul 26, 2012 at 7:53)

The IKEA theme follows the same as mine, as IKEA products are flat pack, you can assemble them however you please. Smile

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taletotell (Jul 26, 2012 at 3:56)

For all those who complained that DB looked too much like commencal and said they should be original we present. . . But seriously I hope it is a great bike and it does well. If pulling the brake doesn't activate the rear suspension then this might be a new look for DH

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erlkonig (Jul 26, 2012 at 7:07)

Pinkbike needs a dedicated button to link to this story, for every "looks just like a ..." comment.

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bullitboy105 (Jul 26, 2012 at 8:46)

"If pulling the brake doesn't activate the rear suspension then this might be a new look for DH"...Specialized's FSR design figured that out nearly 20 years ago...

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laynehip (Jul 26, 2012 at 11:51)

This bike is awesome!! It seems like most downhill bikes now are just too damn serious. Downhill bikes turn into road bikes more and more everyday, tires get skinnier, frames get uglier, it becomes all about racing and setting the fastest times possible. I wan't a bike with a lot of suspension I can have fun with! I don't want a torture rack!

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Lehel-NS (Jul 26, 2012 at 2:53)

The standover height of this bike is something like a standover of a giraffe.

...besides of that, I've never read a PB article in which I have laughed so much on the comments! You guys are hilarious! lol

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gardinia (Jul 25, 2012 at 23:56)

Anybody remember when Homer Simpson designed the car for Uncle Herb?

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myothercarsa2cv (Jul 26, 2012 at 3:40)

Yes. My first thought too. People won't give it a chance because it's different, which is a shame. I bet it rocks. One thing I'd like to see them try is to incorporate the shock linkage in to the chain guide linkage, and relocate the shock under the top tube... That would lower the CoG a lot. Perhaps a carbon down tube to protect it. But I'm sure they tried that already...

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mackeroo (Jul 26, 2012 at 3:59)

Mechanically, its nice to see someone challenging convention - and as some have posted above, it might actually ride well. But by god that is horrible to look at!

If one of the 'sexy' brands (Santa Cruz, Yeti, Intense, etc.) were to beautify this design I expect everyone would be wetting themselves with anticipation of the performance it could bring?

But you can't forgive the aesthetics. It is FUGLY!

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slayersxc (Jul 26, 2012 at 20:44)

part of me wants to say what the hell is this garbage im looking at. but when you think about it. this maybe just the first stepping stone to what can be a better looking bike. Just need to take the key ideas and shape it to a more attractive looking frame. +100 for the idea, thought and drawing it out. -200 for actually building it......now go burn it and start over.

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BDKR (Jul 26, 2012 at 8:04)

That shock location looks like an afterthought. As if they were trying to deal with the articulated chain link alone and didn't care about anything else.

Having that shock up high means a higher CG. Now what I want on a bike.

Why not mount a link off the bottom of the swing arm running horizontally under the main pivot to a linkage that could
drive a vertically mounted shock with it's bottom mounted down near the BB?

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zgr7 (Jul 26, 2012 at 10:12)

Ahaha btw i have another idea lol. This bike actually could have 2 different geo for downhill if they pushed it a bit further. Just flip the bike upside down, swap the crank with the seat, insert the fork the other way and voila; completely different geo Big Grin

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sup3rc0w (Jul 26, 2012 at 6:30)

What drunken Swiss gynecologists designed that thing?!

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gnarbar (Jul 26, 2012 at 21:11)

people tripping on mushrooms after eating too much cheese

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travisbruning (Jul 27, 2012 at 20:52)

I heard rumor Sam hill could be looking into testing this bike? Apparently the frame design was similar to something of that like chinese junkship?? Not to sure if its true though???

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pipenfresh (Jul 26, 2012 at 7:52)

Maybe the photo is upside down (?).

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mtaero (Jul 26, 2012 at 6:13)

All that beefy frame design and then the rear swingarm transmits energy through a pencil to the rear shock.

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dirtdiggler (Jul 26, 2012 at 12:10)

Looks like Ms. Balfa had a baby with Mr. Mountain Cycle ; )

Man... if there was going to be a 're-design competition' on Pink Bike this would be THE bike to have it with! Lots of possibilities to make this bike look better and reduce the cost of manufacturing.

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bmxmoose (Jul 26, 2012 at 8:06)

LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE SOME BIKE ON YOUR METAL

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WAddict (Jul 26, 2012 at 14:31)

I still don't understand how the rear shock accuates? And with the small connecting rods to the shock and chain tension -- you're just asking to break something. There's goes your ride for the rest of the day when that happens.

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andyd2506 (Jul 26, 2012 at 15:22)

that's beautiful I wan't one now......... oooops sorry just changed my contacts I would like to retract the last comment Smile

that bike is like going out drinking all night till you pass out only to wake up with a $5 hooker in your bed, that's one ugly hooker Smile

LOLL

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sugar (Jul 26, 2012 at 11:10)

It will be interesting to see how the energy transfers from the rear end.
I actually think it will propel this "Thing" forward quite nicely.
If they last a few years...it would be sweet to see in a Hydroformed form.
I think it just might work.

"The Thing" would be a much better name for it.

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TheDanish (Jul 25, 2012 at 23:40)

KILL IT WITH FIRE.

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kjones6942 (Jul 25, 2012 at 23:56)

www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrTXl-Ov0ng

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TerminusAvid Plus (Jul 26, 2012 at 3:47)

Since posting a bit earlier I got to thinking and wanted to add this (again others have probably already mentioned it). I'm a bit surprised that through the entire design, prototyping, and manufacturing process someone didn't mention a few concerns? Obviously the main one being the extremely high center of gravity! Although I don't personally like the design they have actually done a great job of actually putting the bike together (great welds, nice components, etc...) but it flys in the face of common knowledge about what makes a great mountain bike design if that makes any sense. I would be very interested to learn more about this bike and this company to get an idea of where they're coming from.

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aaroncouture (Jul 26, 2012 at 8:39)

My nephew created a similar design with his LEGO set! Should have been spec'd with a Girvin front fork and a HiteRite! Some purple Kooka cranks would have been the icing on the cake. I checked Ebay and found all 3 for a good price. Would definitely bring the price down Smile

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remone (Jul 26, 2012 at 2:32)

this bike is hard to judge because does anyone rode this bike, it could be a hell of a ride or ride straigth to hell who now´s rigth, but one thing is certain wherever you go with this bike everyone will look at you if your intencion is to catch everyone else attention YOU GOT IT.

DAMN THAT THING IS STRANGE

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Mikewehrley (Jul 26, 2012 at 9:13)

I think I just threw up. What the hell are these dudes thinking?? The bike looks like some old DH concept from 2001... I'd bite the bullet and trash the idea ASAP... In all reality, when submitted against EVERY OTHER bike brand... not one soul in this world would choose that bike.

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MattJ Plus (Jul 26, 2012 at 1:53)

With all due respect, and I do mean all due respect Mr Redalp...that aint worth a velvet panting of a whale and a dolphin gettin it on. -Ricky Bobby

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CaptainLip (Jul 25, 2012 at 23:41)

not one sane person would part with their money on this.

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emanuel290 (Jul 25, 2012 at 23:50)

That is the worst looking bike I have ever layed my eyes on!

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KRVZ (Jul 26, 2012 at 0:00)

Then type KRUTOR in your google search bar !

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llarrggee (Jul 26, 2012 at 1:28)

www.krutor.cz/bikes/hrotor/en.htm

That's just stupid

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finnrambo (Jul 26, 2012 at 2:27)

at least the krutor is carbon and has a gearbox

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emanuel290 (Jul 26, 2012 at 2:53)

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!! man there are some trippers in this world!!! both bikes are equally stupid looking!

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wesdadude (Jul 26, 2012 at 2:56)

At least they're not trying to sell the Krutor.

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Lehel-NS (Jul 26, 2012 at 4:21)

KRUTOR HROTOR

Who came up with that name?! lol

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aoneal (Jul 26, 2012 at 9:23)

So did the Krutor laid eggs first or did the Redalp lay eggs first?
Either way, burn em'. Burn em' all.

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Jaro1982 (Jul 27, 2012 at 8:07)

This is currently the flagship of Krutor. Its main features are planetary gear integrated inside the frame, complete carbon frame and extreme parameters. The whole design-production process took almost 3 years, its first race was in 2005. In 2006, this bike should represent our constructing, designing and manufacturing skills. ... Yes... It does... Somewhat...

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ocrebel (Jul 26, 2012 at 0:59)

Oh I get it.... its a joke!

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surgesunday (Jul 26, 2012 at 2:44)

F A I L !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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blazebike (Jul 26, 2012 at 5:54)

all that ugliness and they only warranty it for a year?!

hahaha, yes, they really must be on crack

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vonichi (Jul 26, 2012 at 1:34)

I saw a picture of this somewhere and i thought it was an old homemade project
of somebody with too much time on their hands.

I cant believe it is actually a 2012 bike and available for sale by a company Smile

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betsie Plus (Jul 26, 2012 at 0:01)

Reminds me of being single again.... ... give me a few beers, it will be gorgeous and I will ride it!

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betsie Plus (Jul 26, 2012 at 0:01)

andrewjrivers.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/beer-goggles.jpg

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dydanz (Jul 26, 2012 at 1:15)

their page says: US$ 3'200.00 for Team DH frame. almost retarded.

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finnrambo (Jul 26, 2012 at 2:23)

remove 3000 from the price tag and i might buy it

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Z-WAAAAAZ (Jul 25, 2012 at 23:56)

there must be some performance gain if they ended up making their frame look so ugly. just look how high that main pivot is...

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cikudh (Jul 26, 2012 at 4:07)

aah make it higher ... probably right under saddle

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intrepidbiped (Jul 25, 2012 at 23:43)

Can you say "high center of gravity"? Very good, now back to the drawing board.

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DirtBound (Jul 26, 2012 at 13:33)

Just got off the phone with darth vader, he'd like one in all black, also he'd like another 30,000 in white for his troopers....

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MindPatterns (Jul 26, 2012 at 5:04)

Ladies and Gentlemen - welcome back to the 90s!

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Mellowyellow01 (Jul 26, 2012 at 6:16)

Innovation comes first, when a design proves itself worthy is when the details get smoothed out and they can start making it look better. I can not wait to hear first ride reports.

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billyjack (Jul 26, 2012 at 9:53)

Hey! They put an idler pulley and ISCG tabs on a Mountain Cycle San Andreas! Wait. No,They put a carbon fibre seatmast on a railroad track!

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jamieridesbikes (Jul 26, 2012 at 12:05)

looks like...
... i dunno what it looks like, except that it's ugly as hell :/ pretty clever linkage and stuff though, hopefully it'll eventually filter through into a nicer looking design

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SchredLikeTrah (Jul 26, 2012 at 2:21)

Oh, as far as high pivot point, Zerode managed to design a bike you won't have to hide..

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mtbrider619 (Jul 26, 2012 at 2:26)

how can i lower ma seat post ? Big Grin

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brett15MNT (Jul 26, 2012 at 8:29)

I just noticed that! WTF?

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Jaro1982 (Jul 27, 2012 at 7:57)

You have two options of adjustment
One: as it is.
Two: remove and ride the frame like a cowboy!

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superbikes (Jul 26, 2012 at 3:46)

Great bike if your going to war

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Aibek (Jul 26, 2012 at 4:11)

competitive sales price, at first i thought that's gonna be like 600 ~ 1000 $, but apparently the recession missed Switzerland (3200-3840$) , forget the bike i want to live there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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myothercarsa2cv (Jul 26, 2012 at 4:17)

Most expensive place I've been to. And I didn't think much of the food - you're better off where you are in that regard. (The recession missed Switzerland because (a) they didn't join the EU and (b) they didn't adopt the Euro. Sensible people.)

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BDKR (Jul 26, 2012 at 9:12)

Joining the EU seems to have left some pretty f**ked up. Turkey should be glad they were never let in!

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MTBbros Plus (Jul 25, 2012 at 23:40)

What the f*ck

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jasdh (Jul 26, 2012 at 0:20)

thats uglier than a bunch of mashed up assholes

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haniffJ (Jul 26, 2012 at 0:48)

21 people like their facebook page

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raben (Jul 26, 2012 at 1:19)

they are the designers

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ercover (Jul 26, 2012 at 1:57)

Did this thing actually need design?

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aoneal (Jul 26, 2012 at 8:53)

^^^ Yeah it probably did, but it was a "connect the dots" design and all of the numbers were "0".

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hambone2 (Jul 26, 2012 at 19:48)

ugh i was out riding my redalp, sliped a pedal and got my balls caught in my rear shock. worst day of my life,ever.

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wstcoastbiker (Jul 26, 2012 at 0:52)

It looks like an ancient bike

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galliwasp (Jul 26, 2012 at 9:33)

Patented...so no one can steal the idea. *Bzzzt!*

It'd be fun to give it a go.

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SchredLikeTrah (Jul 26, 2012 at 2:17)

Does it come in chocolate brown ? Might as well..

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llarrggee (Jul 26, 2012 at 1:31)

Etch a Sketch design
tinyurl.com/dyqkwkh

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dangeruss (Jul 26, 2012 at 11:28)

Am i the only one who feels sorry for the designer when he or she eventually reads these comments?

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specialfx (Jul 26, 2012 at 0:51)

is it Optimus Prime son? or even Decepticon?

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MattHoffman (Jul 26, 2012 at 18:54)

How long until the back half of the bike shears off?? I smells another RMX type catastrophy

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dh0023 (Jul 25, 2012 at 23:35)

Soooo soo ugly... But i cant help but want one!

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Randv (Jul 26, 2012 at 7:54)

Oh no........... Not Swiss surely! And check out that stand-over height. Could end up being a sterilizing machine.

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psynide (Jul 25, 2012 at 23:38)

the bb is so high ! looks like an old school dh/fr bike

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finnrambo (Jul 26, 2012 at 2:25)

maybe it just looks high, it looks the same above the axle as a few other frames

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mph51 (Jul 25, 2012 at 23:37)

I thought it was gonna be an electric motorized mtb at first glance.

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Chesterboy (Jul 25, 2012 at 23:36)

Throw some 40's and Deemax's and this thing somehow looks legit. Smile

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radrider (Jul 25, 2012 at 23:56)

put those parts on a supermarket frame and itll probably look as legit or more.

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parisgore Plus (Jul 26, 2012 at 13:23)

I would be more impressed if it had 888's on it. from 2002

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Harry-hislop (Jul 25, 2012 at 23:36)

What the heck is that thing?
And how does that rear shock work?

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aoneal (Jul 26, 2012 at 9:06)

It's what you leave in the toilet after you've had 3 days of Indian food. As for the shock, it works by quickly decoupling your nut sack from your body.

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Cusalabanjura (Jul 25, 2012 at 23:40)

at least no one would nick it as it looks that shite!

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davidstuartkelly (Jul 25, 2012 at 23:43)

I am 100% with Totesridic, FUGLY AS THEY COME!!!!

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Id-rather-b-ridin (Jul 25, 2012 at 23:52)

One very high centre of gravity

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lamarider (Jul 25, 2012 at 23:52)

that bike doesnt deserve 40's!?

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samsemtex (Jul 25, 2012 at 23:49)

Why does this remind me of a weapon out of RoboCop or some scifi movie?

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dhridernz (Jul 25, 2012 at 23:44)

Or you could get a zerode achieves the same thing and its not fugly

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KRVZ (Jul 25, 2012 at 23:56) (Below Threshold) show comment

A Zerode is not much better in terms of aesthetics...

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loganjensen (Jul 26, 2012 at 0:20)

disagree heaps. they look amazing and you get a gearbox.

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jtaylor (Jul 26, 2012 at 1:04) (Below Threshold) show comment

No you dont lol Thers a mech? And I could make a better lookin frame out of rock

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freerideglory (Jul 26, 2012 at 1:20)

Hahah, "there's a mech." Type Zerode DH on google images, then tell us all it has a mech.

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jmm337 (Jul 26, 2012 at 2:21)

I was about to say that, same high rear pivot for rearward axle path, just achieved in a smarter more antithetic pleasing way.

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pwleh (Jul 26, 2012 at 10:20)

What the F*&#,.......this bike Fell Out Of The Ugly Tree And Hit Every Branch On The Way Down....

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freeriderayward (Jul 25, 2012 at 23:58)

Haters gonna hate, function over form.

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Juarez (Jul 26, 2012 at 21:28)

Best....thread....ever..... Please kids, don't drink and design....

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bzidek (Jul 26, 2012 at 14:48)

Honestly this is the gayest fucking piece of shit that the 21st century has ever seen. I wouldn't ride that piece of shit even if Bill Gates paid me to do so

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OswestSte (Jul 26, 2012 at 14:24)

I think i drew one of these back when i was 5 years old, probably should of copywrited it so it could never actually be made.

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Demiourgos (Jul 26, 2012 at 10:13)

www.redalp.com/EN/replica_dh.html

"Brakes : Avid Elixier "??
"Tires : Maxxis Mignon"??
"Grips : Lyzard Skin"??
... ;D

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rockstar4ag Plus (Jul 27, 2012 at 2:29)

now only if it folded so that it fit into a smart car.

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tworldsmine (Jul 27, 2012 at 8:37)

For the love of God... it is one freaking ugly creature! It looks like Halford's full susp Montana's... just slightly more expensive!

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tworldsmine (Jul 27, 2012 at 8:38)

...but the height of BB is impressive indeed!

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kbmskis (Jul 26, 2012 at 22:00)

Good to see Proflex is breaking into the DH market.

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johnsamsung10 (Jul 26, 2012 at 2:27)

that is one unique bike! would certainly catch your eye on the trail!

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iamaskier333 (Jul 26, 2012 at 9:37)

i can just imagine the look that someone would get as they bring that bike into a bike shop for a tune up, or loading it onto a lift. Priceless

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MarysvilleJack (Jul 26, 2012 at 7:52)

That bike just set back Switzerland 50 years. Holy crap that is the ugliest turd ever and the suspension mounting is the dumbest idea ever... lower is better!

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thestraightline (Jul 26, 2012 at 1:40)

If there was no downhill bikes in the world and this was their first take on it I guess we could let it pass, but come on guys.... shows that not all engineers should engineer bikes...

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mxlemming (Jul 26, 2012 at 15:42)

I'm an engineer, and I swear I would never design anything that stupid.

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Nicholino (Jul 25, 2012 at 23:55)

If you gave me a choice between this ugly Swiss bike or the first bicycle ever made with rock tires, I would choose the ugly Swiss bike so I could run it over with the bike with rock tires!!!!!!

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nikoli (Jul 26, 2012 at 13:55)

I dont normally comment on stuff like this...but I just cant resist on this one....

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Really, I am all for innovation and thinking outside the norm and I am ussually not critical about new things, but you have to add some common sense to the equation, there are a few things about this thing that just dont add up.

Kilometer long chainstay
skyscraper bottom bracket height
short wheel base
Center of gravity? we dont use that here....

There was sarcasm intended, but I truthfully hope the best for this company...though I dont see this bike making it among what is currently out there..

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ec505BBjason (Jul 25, 2012 at 23:40)

The center of gravity on that thing is crazy high

also, what's with the younger kids feeling the need to tell their age whenever they post?

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cretin82 (Jul 26, 2012 at 6:01)

regardless of how good it may preform, these arent going to sell. why? these things resemble a horse more than sarah Jessica parker!

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dlxx (Jul 26, 2012 at 7:49)

Everything can look like a downhill bike when you put fox40's and deemax on it. Next show we are transforming your mother's old clothes iron!

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vi5a (Jul 26, 2012 at 7:25)

I would rather spend $50 and get a Walmart bike and do downhilling than spend $8000 on this Redalp thing. Their pricing is ridiculous!

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downhilldemo (Jul 26, 2012 at 12:08)

so the seat has two positions, uncomfortably high, and up your dark place

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Zukazuka (Jul 27, 2012 at 1:39)

Release the kraken!!!!!
:O
OMG

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bourne99 (Jul 26, 2012 at 5:33)

was on my way to work but i think ill call in sick

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stuartpenney (Jul 26, 2012 at 1:53)

Looks like an 80's throwback - pass me the Wham CD and Hawian short please!

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freelifenride (Jul 26, 2012 at 1:08)

someone, somewhere must of told them it was a bad idea not to go ahead with this.. they obviously didn't listen

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trai7blaz3r (Jul 26, 2012 at 4:56)

That spring is far too close to the testicular area for my liking.

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nismo325 (Jul 26, 2012 at 0:13)

KRVZ your kidding right? The zerode is a million times better looking than that.

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bjorntsc (Jul 26, 2012 at 0:10)

Top bike build costs $7999.
A 2012 demo 8 is the same weight and better spec.

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jackgolfgti (Jul 26, 2012 at 5:42)

If the elephant man had a bike to match his face...........

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blitz66 (Jul 25, 2012 at 23:59)

www.redalp.com/EN/index.html the frame looks like a crossbow! other than that, a touch fugly..

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indianJoe (Jul 26, 2012 at 7:08)

the big brother of the swiss knife! haha a folding dh bike!

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ImILL (Jul 26, 2012 at 7:08)

Its kind of cool....vintage 90's DH bike but tricked out....

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baca262 (Jul 26, 2012 at 11:24)

do hipsters ride dh?

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TURlSMO (Jul 28, 2012 at 13:26)

honestly, i really don't mind it. Sure it's different, admittedly not the sexiest bike. I do believe form should follow function, and this may be the case here.

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SchredLikeTrah (Jul 26, 2012 at 2:15)

In case you have been looking for an excuse to quit mountain biking, look no further.

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RYANakaSMOOTHIE (Jul 26, 2012 at 13:35)

I don't understand what this is supposed to be...

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MattHoffman (Jul 26, 2012 at 18:57)

Oh, and the frame has a 2 run service interval, if you make it down.....

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TehThunderer (Jul 26, 2012 at 18:11)

Hey my motto is "don't knock it 'till you try it"

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Banshee-Freerider (Jul 26, 2012 at 18:28)

id rather ride an 01 norco vps with those high end parts on it

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kno0003 (Jul 26, 2012 at 3:29)

Huffy > Redalp

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TotesRidic (Jul 26, 2012 at 22:11)

That bike looks like a wheelchair..

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keenanmoi (Jul 25, 2012 at 23:44)

So ugly...why...

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Antti69 (Jul 26, 2012 at 9:55)

This is not a winner!

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MASyMAS (Jul 26, 2012 at 6:20)

FAIL.

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Schmitty (Jul 26, 2012 at 6:15)

Fugly!

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freeride650 (Jul 25, 2012 at 23:39)

Ugly as fuck.

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ShoshoneDownhill (Jul 27, 2012 at 12:19)

The frame is just too much. its like 6 inches deep for gods sake..

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stolensinner44 (Jul 26, 2012 at 20:27)

Give me all those parts except the frame haha

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natasha4 (Jul 26, 2012 at 8:03)

thats one ugly piece of shit!

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monkeydh (Jul 26, 2012 at 0:09)

this is the ugliest bike ive ever seen...

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Slash9 (Jul 26, 2012 at 0:44)

Meccano for mountain bikers.

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azzyp (Jul 26, 2012 at 0:01)

I think I little bit of my soul just died!!!

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cbyrd3 (Jul 25, 2012 at 23:59)

thats got to be one of the most retarded looking bikes i have seen.

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hatchleader (Jul 25, 2012 at 23:35)

Sorry... Thats just Horrid!

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Jaydenfarley (Jul 26, 2012 at 13:21)

why are they posting dinosaurs???

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ollieF (Jul 26, 2012 at 1:51)

They obviously didn't realize that so many mountain bikers are posers.

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haallinson (Jul 26, 2012 at 2:15)

If you did a ballride, you'd probably end up adjusting your shock!!!

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rapz321 (Jul 26, 2012 at 3:39)

Speechless, when you see that frame...

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fattyreryder (Jul 26, 2012 at 3:41)

How do you lower the seat??

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miki-ck (Jul 26, 2012 at 4:11)

It looks like they forgot about that "little" issue Wink

20,35" seat tube in all sizes - good luck selling this bikes to people who aren't giants.

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cikudh (Jul 26, 2012 at 4:12)

howo long the seatpost ?

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Lehel-NS (Jul 26, 2012 at 7:18)

How do you lower the seat?

You don't.

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timmy00 (Jul 26, 2012 at 3:30)

This piggy-back just below the saddle looks painful Rolleyes

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AcidSuk3r (Jul 26, 2012 at 3:26)

Stuff in Halfords is better!!!

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DrewDerfff (Jul 26, 2012 at 2:24)

Oh god i really hope this isn't the future of downhill bikes.

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sup3rc0w (Jul 26, 2012 at 6:46)

Dude, it's not even the past.

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kdawg1 (Jul 28, 2012 at 14:56)

Purpose over looks, just missing a 2 stroke motor. If I get 6 numbers I'll take 2 please.

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Bisty (Jul 28, 2012 at 4:40)

Every designer push the c.o.g. lowe as they can, except Redalp. Punk not dead :-) Anyway doesn't look bad..

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socommk23 (Jul 26, 2012 at 0:31)

i hope we see it used in some dh comp...and that it owns the mountain! if not...... i feel real sorry for the designer!

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spaced (Jul 26, 2012 at 6:48)

The chain growth argument is a LIE. The idler is below the main pivot. There will be chaingrowth.

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Lehel-NS (Jul 26, 2012 at 7:28)

But it's connected to the swingarm. So when the swingarm moves upwards, the idler moves downwards.... so there will be probably minimal chain growth.

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aoneal (Jul 26, 2012 at 9:00)

^^^ Whoa whoa, wait a minute...
Chain growth??
For a minute there I thought you were actually trying to SUPPORT this hideous & unsightly abomination.

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spaced (Jul 26, 2012 at 9:22)

"probably".

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Lehel-NS (Jul 26, 2012 at 9:44)

Whoa whoa, all I have done is analyzed that idler thing, and how it suppose to work on this hideous abomination of a girder. lol

...back to the idler; on the second thought, I really think that it works! Let me explain what I think. So, as the idler is connected to the swingarm, it is loosening the chain as the suspension goes in to it's travel, so the chain is not tightening up (but it stays tightened because the suspension loosens it just as much it needs to be loosened). As the suspension goes back to it's neutral position, the idler is pulled up, and the chain is again tensioned just right. So actually the suspension keeps the chain tensioned the whole time. It makes sense to me, and I believe that with a little calculation, it can be optimized to actually MINIMALIZE if not completely neutralize chain growth. Clever thing this idler is. Smile

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aoneal (Jul 26, 2012 at 10:22)

^^^ Again, it appears you are a proponent of this pile of monkey sh*t.

Yes, I see how the link works 100%. No questions.
But to me, it doesn't matter how clever that little link is. The whole package is simply atrocious.
It's like putting racing tires on a Gremlin. It would still be nothing more than a piece of elephant sh*t.

We all need to put this think out of its misery. Anyone in the house have a grenade?

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Lehel-NS (Jul 26, 2012 at 10:29)

I never said that the bike is something that I would like to ride. The geo seems very awkward, and it looks horrible. But the idler is ok.

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spaced (Jul 26, 2012 at 10:33)

I agree that if it is done right it can work but it's solving a problem in an unnecessarily complicated way. Not to mention the thing doesn't seem that durable at first look.

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aoneal (Jul 26, 2012 at 10:36)

^^^ Just giving you a hard time. No worries!
Yes, the geometry would lead us to believe it was designed to be ridden by a camel or giraffe.

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noodle-808 (Jul 26, 2012 at 0:26)

Uglier then my mates missus.... i'm sure she hit every tree on her fall from grace :s

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beshop (Jul 26, 2012 at 0:06)

I've got a mind f**k while i'm looking at the handle bar on the second photo. Is it turned right or it's straight? Big Grin

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pencil-sr (Oct 19, 2012 at 10:33)

so.... doesn't the Canfield Jedi with its rearward wheel path accomplish the same thing as this suspension design, and look about a billion times better?

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Spou-Unit (Jul 26, 2012 at 6:58)

Think about how the arm will swing, as opposed to lower pivot points. Bet it rips. I'd ride one.

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annimaxdh (Jul 26, 2012 at 8:59)

People from Red Alp, with all respect, here is an industrial designer, I can design your next dh frame

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annimaxdh (Jul 26, 2012 at 15:12)

www.norlandcycles.wordpress.com

(And it was just a humble student thesis project prototype)

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jonathanheierle Plus (Jul 27, 2012 at 3:15)

I'll happily admit. This is the ugliest fucking bike that has ever been made.

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d-razor-b (Jul 27, 2012 at 9:39)

Take off all the comps and you got a gun, don't land on the rear SHOCK or that's exactly what you will get.

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stevehayes (Jul 26, 2012 at 23:08)

Did anyone else notice the warranty information on their site? It's nowhere near comparable with any major brands :S

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Jester1826 (Jul 26, 2012 at 17:42)

Ok the chain torshioner good idea!........... But Redalp sack the desighner he was obviously tooting on his crack pipe!!!!!!

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shockwave (Jul 26, 2012 at 10:00)

Looks like the Old Balfa Nouveau Riche (NR) without all of the jack shaft system.

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garethjudson (Jul 26, 2012 at 3:49)

think im going to be sick...

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ChrisMu (Jul 25, 2012 at 23:36)

Is this real life? That just looks so weird!

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chazdog (Jul 26, 2012 at 9:38)

Safe to say Redlap.. You just got Pinkbike Burned

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edumont64 (Jul 26, 2012 at 9:56)

ugliest bike i hav ever seen

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Bogumil1202247 (Jul 26, 2012 at 9:28)

wtf is that, someone put wheels to the piece of excavator or what?

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scarletmeista (Jul 26, 2012 at 8:48)

What the f*ck is that shit?!!!!!!!!!!

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DCarlos427 (Jul 26, 2012 at 7:39)

All I can see is the tiny rods breaking

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downhillolly (Jul 26, 2012 at 8:00)

looks like they just put suspension on a Penny Farthing!!!

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rubensilva (Jul 26, 2012 at 3:51)

it could be very good but... jesus i almost throw up all my breakfast :X

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zgr7 (Jul 26, 2012 at 10:08)

"Honey, come out of the kitchen and design a downhill bike!"

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freeriding619 (Jul 26, 2012 at 11:53)

Terminator T1000's DH when off duty.

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JoeAdkin (Jul 26, 2012 at 12:26)

It looks rubbish it looks like a halfords special

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DBomberMan (Jul 26, 2012 at 10:36)

i think this is very deserving of a WTF

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lonelyplanetrider (Jul 26, 2012 at 10:31)

I thought I was on 9gag with all the off beat comments. lol.

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vroomvroompartystarter (Jul 26, 2012 at 10:25)

MY EYES! MY PRECIOUS VISION! NOOOoooooo

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dink29 (Jul 26, 2012 at 7:16)

It's probably as usefull as a fish tank goin downhill

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yz250 (Jul 26, 2012 at 10:01)

How does this company make money!!!???

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shishka (Jul 26, 2012 at 6:31)

Woh that thing hurt my eyes. Good luck riding on that contraption

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sewer-rat (Jul 26, 2012 at 4:45)

I think i speak for us all when i say jesusfuckingchrist

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THE-GUNT (Jul 26, 2012 at 5:20)

this isnt april 1st is it?

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Robert94pl (Jul 26, 2012 at 6:14)

i think it can be a joke or somthing.

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konaacowan (Jul 26, 2012 at 6:13)

looks like a fuckin post box

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ImILL (Jul 26, 2012 at 7:10)

btw its 8 thousand dollars

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remedywiggi (Jul 26, 2012 at 4:28)

How come people try fixing things that already work

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missyd (Jul 26, 2012 at 6:44)

Get DRUNK and you will like it!!!! :-)

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cikudh (Jul 26, 2012 at 3:52)

why this german tank got pedal on ?

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missyd (Jul 26, 2012 at 7:39)

Its Swiss not German :-P

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pvrider (Jul 26, 2012 at 9:06)

That is, quite possibly, the uglyist thing I have ever seen...

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psychomd (Jul 26, 2012 at 18:13)

Ouch.. My nutss!!

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bikejunkie88 (Jul 26, 2012 at 9:53)

i like it! i wanna try it but i have no $$$

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senderlikebender (Aug 5, 2012 at 3:39)

they might as well of mounted the shock to your ass and try that for a design.

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Afl505 (Jul 26, 2012 at 14:31)

The BB looks really high

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dhflow (Jul 26, 2012 at 0:27)

iconic

waiting for a review anyway.

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DirtbagMatt (Jul 26, 2012 at 8:30)

More like ReDERP Bicycles.

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dionne44 (Jul 26, 2012 at 12:01)

Almost little Balfa influence here.

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xxxxJMxxxx (Jul 26, 2012 at 3:25)

maybe a great bike but bad look

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Artur05 (Jul 26, 2012 at 1:49)

This is the ugliest downhill bike I've ever seen!!!! Omg thats a shit!

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max14221 (Jul 26, 2012 at 3:39)

its a fucking pig lol

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tonythetiger08 Plus (Jul 26, 2012 at 8:23)

Funny thing is Gwin would probably still win on this thing...

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aoneal (Jul 26, 2012 at 9:17)

Maybe. But he'd need to be a clown to ride that beast because he'd look like a clown on it. It is a clown's bike. Gwin is NOT a clown.

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darren853 (Jul 26, 2012 at 3:08)

I'm sorry,but that's absolutely ugly

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RogerBus (Jul 26, 2012 at 9:57)

I would love to test one to see if it could handle a 250lb. ricer.

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AndyBird (Jul 26, 2012 at 8:08)

UGLY

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hanle (Jul 28, 2012 at 12:26)

that bike is a piece of dick

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VampireLestat (Jul 28, 2012 at 8:51)

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Tannerstolt (Jul 28, 2012 at 21:11)

What have I just gazed upon?????????????????

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minty1 Plus (Jul 26, 2012 at 0:41)

Shit.

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mrsbunny (Jul 26, 2012 at 0:16)

suck!

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gapos999 (Jul 25, 2012 at 23:40)

my god that´s ugly!

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jtaylor (Jul 26, 2012 at 1:02)

Hurendous

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zeeman (Mar 12, 2013 at 10:05)

this bike makes me so mad just looking at it

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ilovemtnbiking (Jul 26, 2012 at 20:00)

Ugly but might be made of carbon so ya if its light I would use it.

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machuqueiro (Jul 26, 2012 at 14:47)

horrible but it caught our attention. Over 300 comments

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moturner (Jul 26, 2012 at 14:37)

Screwed up. How do we fix this? By putting lil red triangles on it.

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erikbrickell (Jul 26, 2012 at 21:21)

That is the ugliest bike ive ever seen.

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gruffSX9 (Jul 26, 2012 at 1:16)

thats hideous

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pizpisoc (Jul 27, 2012 at 7:54)

Where`s the fluxcompensator? nooooooooo.........

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drewdude (Jul 26, 2012 at 18:38)

Dont knock it till you ride it.

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konashred96 (Jul 26, 2012 at 1:33)

Erm..... I wouldn't buy one let's put it that way

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bikerguy222 (Jul 25, 2012 at 23:36)

As jank as it looks, it sounds quite impressive...?

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summit800 (Jul 26, 2012 at 20:02)

loooks likes its from the 90s i love it.

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summit800 (Jul 26, 2012 at 20:02)

also i donno about your guys but if you look at the bike on their home page from a side view it looks friggen cool.

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kinkmister (Jul 25, 2012 at 23:43)

gotta say, it looks pretty legit. i'd rock the hell out of that bike

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static-schock (Jul 26, 2012 at 13:07)

lolwut?

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Adriano75 (Jul 27, 2012 at 8:12)

horrible...

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lesny-zapierdalacz (Jul 26, 2012 at 11:53)

ale gówno!!!

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justridetrails (Aug 3, 2012 at 11:10)

hmmmmm may i say balfa bb7 on crack!

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amstramgram (Jul 26, 2012 at 9:48)

I want to try it !

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jesiah3 (Jul 26, 2012 at 9:48)

sooo... how heavy is it?

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chingy24 (Jul 27, 2012 at 4:23)

dirt say it is

Lightweight – both models are less than 37lb (16.8kg)

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Pochiemaui (Jul 26, 2012 at 10:08)

Serious looking bike!!!

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