First Look: Santa Cruz V10 Carbon 2013

Nov 20, 2012
by Matt Wragg  
 
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2013 Santa Cruz V10c Carbon frame


What's New About the V10 Carbon

• Entirely new frame
• Carbon front and rear triangles
• Tested over the 2012 race season by the Syndicate Team
• The Syndicate will race on this production frame in 2013
• Five-year warranty and lifetime crash replacement
V10 Carbon Details

• Carbon rear triangle saves 400 grams over the previous alloy version
• Revised front triangle saves 300 grams over the previous version
• New carbon upper link to increase stiffness.
• Co-molded aluminium hardware on upper pivot and bottom bracket - no bonding
• Forged aluminum lower link with recessed grease ports
• Indexed, 157-millimeter rear axle spacing for easier wheel installation
• New integrated fork bumpers with cable guide
• Direct mount rear derailleur hanger
• Two travel settings: 10 inches (254mm) or 8.5 inches (216mm)
• Total frame weight: 7.9 pounds (3.6 kg) M size, Fox DHX RC4 shock
• MSRP: DHX $3,499 USD | VIVID $3,599 USD



The New V10c

2013 Santa Cruz V10c - Drive side shot

"The most successful DH bike of all time." Santa Cruz weren't shy in introducing their new V10 with those words. When you look back at race results, it is hard to argue with the pedigree of the V10: two Elite World Championships, one Junior World Championship, 14 World Cup wins and two World Cup series titles. More recently the carbon version was the first carbon DH bike to win a World Cup (Maribor 2010) and the first to win a World Championship (Leogang 2012). Those first carbon race bikes used a carbon front end and an alloy rear triangle, which soon became available to the public. The Syndicate started racing during the 2011 season with a carbon rear triangle. After a full year of testing on the World Cup circuit, Santa Cruz took the wraps of their all-new production frames with that carbon rear for a small group of journalists at Massa Vecchia in Italy.


The New V10c has already proven itself on the track:


A Process of Refinement

2013 Santa Cruz V10c - Complete Carbon bike
2013 Santa Cruz V10c - Carbon rear end

The old saying goes, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it." This is exactly what Santa Cruz has done with this latest version of the V10. Over the last few years they have refined the geometry and suspension to the point where they no longer feel the need to fiddle with it, so this new bike is identical to the previous version in that respect. Where it differs is in the construction. While the new carbon rear end may grab the headlines, we're most impressed by the fact that Santa Cruz has shaved 300 grams from the front triangle by some minor re-sculpting of the shape in high stress areas and changing the layup of the carbon. This means that the front triangle alone weighs just 2.3 pounds (1.05kg) for a medium frame. One thing that sets the V10c's front triangle apart from much of the competition is that they use a one-piece monocoque construction. This means the entire front triangle is a single shape, which differs from many other bikes that use several sections bonded together. One-piece construction is both more complicated and expensive, as it means the tool to make the frame needs to be much larger and more sophisticated. Here at Pinkbike, we were given an exclusive look at how Santa Cruz test their carbon bikes this year. It's fair to say their bikes go through a world of pain in their test lab, far beyond any statutory requirements that exist today. So we are inclined to believe them when they tell us that this is not just the lightest, but also the strongest frame they have ever made. Santa Cruz are so confident of this that they have extended the warranty on the frame up from two years all the way out to five years. The new V10c also comes with a lifetime crash replacement and bearing warranty. With frames getting ever more expensive (and nobody is going to suggest the V10c is cheap), this kind of assured lifespan for your bike becomes more and more important.

Out back, the new rear end is a full 530 grams lighter than the aluminum version. The whole thing weighs just 1.5 pounds (0.68 kg) and the production version is actually more refined than the rear ends that the Syndicate used this year. The forming around the wheel arches is slightly more shapely, and to increase stiffness the vertical support between the chain stays and the seat stays is a flat sheet of carbon, making it a great mudguard too. Santa Cruz say this is just a by-product of the quest for stiffness, but with many riders bodging their own mudguards in down there, it's a welcome by-product. This weight saving translates to a total frame weight (medium size) of 6.97 pounds (3.15 kg) with a Rock Shox Vivid air or 7.9 pounds (3.6 kg) with the coil-sprung Fox DHX RC4 shock (9.5 x 3.0-inch).


Joe takes an angle grinder to a V10 front triangle in order to show everyone what's going on inside:



Attention to Detail

2013 Santa Cruz V10c - Carbon front end and down tube
2013 Santa Cruz V10c - Carbon rear end from ENVE

Throughout this frame, there are plenty of little details to let you know that Santa Cruz gets it. Out front are nice, sturdy fork bumpers that are long enough to accommodate any fork out there (not just the Fox 40 the bike comes spec'ed with). Built into the bumpers are cable guides which point out the one thing this bike doesn't have - internal cable routing. It's something that Santa Cruz considered, but the race team were clear that they didn't want it. At races, internal hose routing would require mechanics to detach the hose from the caliper in order to change a brake, which means time lost bleeding the brake afterwards. Working your way back along the frame, you'll find a nice big down tube protector to protect against rock strikes. Grease-ports protrude from the lower linkage, so you can easily keep the bearings running sweetly. The adjustable linkage-axle pivots use an expanding end to hold them in place (think of how a Maxle works and you're not far off). Along the chainstays are classy, rubber protectors to stop the chain from damaging your shiny new frame. Protectors also run along the non-drive-side for people whose heals rub against the stay.

Reaching the rear axle, there are two features that (at first) had us worried, but the more we looked at them the more we realized they are very good ideas. First is the 157-millimeter rear axle. Our knee-jerk reaction was, "please, not another standard," but the 157mm axle is a simple improvement. Essentially, it's the same hub spacing, but there are 3-millimeter indexing insets in the frame for the axle to seat into (exactly like the 142/12mm system). This means that you can easily drop the wheel into the frame without suffering the usual axle/hub/rotor alignment faff with 150-millimeter-axle bikes - which is definitely a good thing. The second feature that worried us was the option of a direct mount rear mech. This bought back horrible memories of early Saint mechs and their incomprehensible and utterly unique mounting system. Fortunately, Shimano has learned from that and not repeated the mistake. On current Shimano Shadow mechs, there is a B-link between the dropout and the mech itself. The direct mount simply replaces the B-link with a one-piece dropout - a much neater solution.


Matt talks to some of the crew behind the new V10:



2013 Santa Cruz V10c - Carbon - Rear frame view.

MSRP for will be $3,499 USD with a Fox DHX RC4 shock and $3,599 USD with a Rock Shox Vivid damper. The V10c will come either in Syndicate Red (matte carbon with red/white decals and Syndicate chevrons) or neon yellow (matte carbon with yellow/grey decals). You can also opt for a colour-matched Fox 40, and if you go for a complete bike they will even colour-match the ENVE carbon rims. Expect the new V10c to start shipping in January 2013.

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275 Comments

  • + 425
 Those 10 inches must feel really nice in the rear
  • + 191
 Ah, I see what you did there ^
  • + 73
 I'm not quite sure I want to ask how you'd know?
  • + 271
 Because it's stiff and it's black
  • + 70
 adjustable to 8.5 for people who dont want 10 in the rear
  • + 88
 Frown Does this mean that the £2,800.00 frame I puchased last year is now worth less........

How am I going to convince my girlfriend that I need this???
  • + 194
 You're going to eat a can of concrete and harden up. Think of allll the things she buys and doesn't tell you about. Make up, magazines, hair you don't notice.... Buy the bike because there are more girlfriends out there, but there is only one 2013 full carbon V10
  • + 16
 I dont need permission to buy the bike I just need to convince her I need it to reduce the nagging about spending all my money on bikes.
  • + 42
 Waldon83 (1 hours ago)
You're going to eat a can of concrete and harden up.
Think of allll the things she buys and doesn't tell you about. Make up, magazines, hair you don't notice....

Buy the bike because there are more girlfriends out there, but there is only one 2013 full carbon V10

is santa cruz paying u to make up ads? this one is worth the money Big Grin
  • + 81
 What a terrible situation D:

3 Options:
1) Dump Her, end of nagging, then you and your new 2013 frame will live happily ever after.
2) Be happy, you still have a killer frame! Last year is no doubt still a beast.
3) Get her into DH and introduce her the 2012 frame as a present, as you get yourself the 2013 one.
  • - 46
 That's what she said.
  • + 35
 I bought my v10c a few months ago and now this comes out?

*jumps of cliff*
  • + 14
 I'm looking at my VP-Free, suddenly things look much different...
  • + 3
 Spicy-Mike with the brilliant plan on nº3 haha. If he gets that to work I can't see what else may one want.
  • + 7
 I have ridden mine once then this,guessing resale value will be shite too as everyone will be selling. Big bag of fuck off.
  • + 7
 Aww minty, I'm sorry. It was only a week ago we were just drooling over your new shiny v10c, now....

But, there isn't TOO much a difference. 700 grams is a bit of weight, but seriously, just update the rear triangle and you save 400 grams out of the 700 which is good enough. Damn, I would be so happy with a 2012 frame...but even my VP-Free keeps me so happy.

I just think of that guy who won the Giant Contest that was riding that cheap generic supermarket bike that was utter crap.

** Resale won't go down, it may seem like it, but the market is so small as it is with such an expensive frame, it won't be bad. It's already down season and bikes are hard to sell as it is so everything is "frozen" in that sense. Holidays are coming up, you may get lucky. Also, when new season comes around, a lot of people who never had Carbon before will want a taste of a 2012 V10C frame and they will sell like crazy, just wait. You have until January!
  • + 4
 It's a tough one,I'm in love with my bike it is a dream to ride but,do I store it,keeping it mint,till new frame is out then sell it for as much as I can get and update. Or just stick with what I've got and use the money for whistler?!
  • - 1
 Ahhhh. Anyway you can buy the new swingarm? Cause that seems to be "technically" the most important part. Frame wise, technology is same, I'm pretty damn sure the 2012 has a stronger frame, just by the looks of the thickness of 2013 vs 2012.

Imo, Swingarm update/Link update if applicable, rest of money = Whistler. That way, you know you got a piece of the new stuff, which is the "main" update, but it doesn't cut into your budget severely.

In the end, it's a tough one man. Your bike is beautiful and rides probably amazingly atm. Is it gonna eat at you away if you don't update to the new frame? Cause regret is the worst thing. But then again, look at your own bike lol.
  • - 2
 if the older frame is more heavy and so stiffer,.. i would opt for an old one instead of a new one..

we all know what happens to "new" bikes.. new glory , new lapierre, crack crack and so on..
  • - 3
 It is always like that. Older frames are always stiffer just by means of more material used (not too old, must be same technology family). Then as the years pass they take out more and more material to make it lighter. No matter what, if you take material off, the frame WILL be weaker at some spot, at some place. They did take off a bit of CF on this model if you compare the frames of 2012 vs. 2013. Unless some totally new method is used, which isn't a big case in this example of 2012 vs. 2013, all they did was take out material in the less stress areas probably by finite analysis. Either way you look at it, the strength will decrease in favor of a lighter bike.

Hahah, my VP-Free of 2005-2007 era, strong, overbuilt bikes, burly as hell compared to the thin little tubes you can snap in half today! What has changed in those years? Welding? No. Material? No. Design? Maybe a little. Hydroforming? Can be compensated. In the end, we are all just getting sucked into this weight game and getting weaker bikes Smile ) Carbon is somewhat cheating tho, since it surpasses alloy yield strength.

Imo, the 2012 frame should be a little stronger than this 2013 one. They'll keep on shaving until there's a point where it just gets too weak.
  • + 2
 It may be hard to actually say which is stronger though, even if it does seem that older bikes are stronger. With the new levels of testing that companies can do and not to mention the addition of world cup riders shredding the frames the newer frames should be as strong if not more so!
  • + 3
 Decision is the initial "f*ck you" has faded and looking at my bike in front of me right now I'm seriously happy,not even sure that having an alloy rear doesn't in some ways give me piece of mind,I know which I'd prefer to take a major rock blow for example. So I shall keep smashing the trails on this beauty happy in the knowledge that its an incredible machine until Jan when the new stuff arrives then make a decision with more ride experience under my belt! A cheaper option would be to buy an easton wheelset,same weight savings for £700!
  • + 3
 Spicy-Mike, you know who builds the 2013 V10 right? Giant...
  • + 1
 This whole thread is making me piss myself laughing!
  • + 2
 Haha! I've chilled now,always want the newest toys! My boring old alloy arsed v f*cking rules! Wink
  • + 2
 So....As far as I know, a lot of companies use the same factory in Taiwan...Why was that even brought up?
  • + 1
 I got a V10.4 for half price because SC was blowing out existing stock. I'm not a sponsored WC racer, so anything that gets me into top-drawer 33lb dh sled for a decent price is ok by me!
  • + 2
 Same here,not quite half price but it put it in my reach! The new frame at £3,500 is way out of my price range!
  • + 3
 @minty1 - yesterday you would have told anybody that you have a sick race-ready carbon dh bike. Today nothing has changed!
  • + 2
 True cheers bud' all day shuttle on fri should remind me how sick that bike is. Wink
  • - 1
 ill stick to bmx, not big on stuff in the rear
  • + 1
 Santa Cruz for life! They look good, good CS, good warranty, designed extremely well, so quick on refinements, damn durable. They seem like a company that really makes sure the customer will be happy over a long run, rather than just be happy for a very few races until the HT splits in half.
  • + 3
 i cried a bit when the base grinder came out :'(
  • - 2
 think about how much it weighs. then imagine switching out all the saint for sram xo or xx (for weight sake) and carbon bars. crazy, but when you look at everything wouldn't you think that a 39 or 40lb bike would almost go a bit faster then some 36lb carbon race machine? i just wonder because i think the extra weight would give you some more momentum going downhill witch would make you go faster? an explanation would be great, thanks.
  • + 3
 It is true, heavier has more inertia, and would benefit a more "straight" line, tank like approach. So, heavier bikes tend to carry their speeds much better over terrain, however, to get up to that speed or slow down, a lighter bike is more benefical. Depends what kind of style you want.

But i do think people instantly consider heavier bikes as bad, not true, they can easily have their places in certain types of courses/terrain.

Like you go to a course that is extremely rocky. Large square bumps and what not. That heavier bike will be definitely be better over a light bike. However, that light bike has the option of more"flying over" the rocks, but we are talking in a straight forward sense/situation.
  • + 1
 i brake half the time since i am a pussy lol so its only more control for me..
  • + 2
 Told my girl i was buying this bike and she got all shades of pissed. In the end I swung at her and broke her nose haha no im just kidding I killed her then used the money from the life insurance policy i took out on her to buy the bike
  • + 2
 ^ Everyone give "A-Smalls" a pat on his back for finally learning how we all get our bikes!
  • + 1
 insure all your ex girlfriends.. and wait for them to die... is more profitable.. and less punishable.. but well played sir !
  • + 1
 What does "lifetime crash replacement" mean? How does it differ from warranty?
Nice bike tho.
  • + 1
 When a warranty situation doesn't apply, i.e. riders fault for causing a crash, then SC will offer the components damaged at a significantly reduced price.

Say for example I am the original owner and my warranty is up. I crash and the rear triangle is broken and needs to be replaced. I contact SC and although they don't fully cover the cost for a new one, I can still pay very little and receive another rear triangle. Normally I would pay like 700 dollars for a rear triangle but through Crash Replacement, it'll be offered to me for like 300 dollars (example).
  • + 1
 Aaaah. Now i see. That`s pretty good. I haven`t heard of this before, but it sounds fine.
  • + 1
 Yeah it isn't too bad. Plus you usually get the latest rear triangles/frame.
  • + 1
 Mhm.. I also got a whole new frame because i cracked the link and the swingarm on my demo. I had 2011 and I got a 2012 in return. And a new warranty for another 5 years. Yeeeeah!
  • + 1
 No way...they reset the warranty everytime?! Never heard of that lol..that's crazy!
  • + 1
 Way. If you get whole frame you reset whole warranty. And if you get only a swingarm or link you only reset a warranty on that certain part. That`s what my local dealer told me when I got a new frame.
Cheers!
  • + 1
 ah, i see you spent ten grand so you can ride ten inches, is your girlfriend ever gonna get ten inches to ride on?
  • + 4
 I'm not cutting off 2 inches just so she can ride 10
  • + 1
 lol well said my friend
  • + 1
 There used to be a Pinkbike shirt that said "I like 7" in the rear" & my buddy had one & he worked a a gym. One day some broad saw it & was all "ewwwww that's gross" & he showed her the back of it with the shock & the Pinkbike logo & the dizzy broad just didn't get it. f*ckin' stupid people man.

I wanted them to make a shirt that said "I like it hard in the rear" with a pic of a hardtail frame on the back. I don't think they ever did though. Shame on you PB. Coulda sold me a shirt.
  • + 1
 put a sick dirt jumper on there lol. possibly a guy doing an indy air or a superman would be pretty dope. i like your idea...
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  • + 80
 Ah, yet another bike I will never be able to afford.
  • + 7
 amen to that !!!!!
  • + 6
 I don't get it either. The only thing these asinine price points are doing is keeping people away from the sport.
  • + 3
 Yeah, the prices are high, but people do buy them, some people honestly need the competitive edge it brings, others need it to "stay on top", others do it for status. But I think you are looking as if the V-10C is THE only frame to get in order to perform well. There are many deals and good alternatives for considerably cheaper and yet perform relatively well in contrast to this V-10.

Not to mention the cost to make these is SOMEWHAT reasonable. Think of the most hand/eye examination labor and time. I think the price is fairly reasonably for the technology. Once again, it isn't necessary tho.
  • + 2
 voltage fr20 all thw way haha :-)
  • + 23
 Ekhem, people who need those kinds of high-end products to get the edge in the sport dont pay for those, at least at the end of the season they are on zero balance. They get them either for free as sponsorship or pay a little as a sponsorship deal, then they can sell those. It is mostly People who have no idea about the edge who pay for those.

As to affording that, huh, there will be some wayyy more expensive things you will need in life - like the house or the apartment. There are also some much more expensive toys you will come upon in the future: like a Porsche. So write down this thing son - Aim high! Either forget that site and that bike and ride and train with what you have to become a DH champion, or do the same about bike&site and do anything to afford a new Porsche - in both cases having a v10c will be a piece of a cake.

Dare to dream, desire that dream, f*ck people who tell tou that tou cant have it and just follow it! In your dreams - they say, Exactly you answer Smile
  • + 4
 one of the best things said on here^
  • + 3
 That's how I live by. Believe me! People tell you all the time you can't do it, they want to psyche you out, they don't like the competition or the thought of losing. Just makes me go faster and stronger, i.e. my music. People told me I would never get where I am, now I can say I've gone far and still going. Can't wait to be at the top and just laugh at them. Imo, Porsche and a V-10c are possible small benchmarks in life that show materially how far you have come. But I think a true GF who loves you for you, not the money, or just being happy without being morally wrong are things that are ultimately more important.
  • + 10
 It goes like that: This V10c is an incredible piece of bicycle development and an instant I wang that on probably everyone's here list. But people who ride it like Minnaar and Peat they don't treat it as a goal, it's just happens that they get it for who they are and the incredible hard and smart work they've put in to get where they are.

So long as such bike is your ultimate goal, you will never be good, as long as all the things they use is your only must have, you will not get far. When you think I need that to be happy, you can get 5 of these and you won't be satisfied, it is the heart, mind and body of a guy like Syndicate rider that will make you succeed. You probably don't need to get to their level but you have to step on the path that got them there. Focus and nerd on what they do, not what they have! If you truly are on that path you will most probanly find your current bike to be awesome! You might find how little the material means when confronted with how far what you have inside can take you.

Those guys dont pay for that, they dont look for attention, they don't seek filmmakers so often - douchebags seek admirers, mediocre people probably spend more time and effort to get FB likes than Greg does training! The champions attract all that, it just happens to them! They get pics whipping, some people want to know if Athertons shave their pubes before the race!

Get out there and f*cking get that bike, not by your money but for who you are Smile
  • + 2
 thanks WAKI for the inspiration of the day. I may go do something with my life instead of sitting here.
  • + 7
 Sorry one last thing, sht WAKi 3.0 is here... This is Jim Rohn, T Robbins, Eric Thomas and many more translated into MTB. Shit below is mine:

Any kind of motivational text or speech is only a spark, while what you need is a one big fire. It doesn't matter how inspired you feel, how much you think some smart bloke or a history of a great athlete will change your life. What You get is a spark, then you do something and maybe get a small flame, but you have to get out there and find some wood to keep it up! Give it a shelter to protect it from the wind. You have to gather that wood everyday so it doesn't die out! And that makes you real good.

But a test will come when that wood is over, and many fail here, sport psychologists call it plateau. Like some people going to the gym and working their ass off for a month in the off season, slowly starting to question why are they doing it, skipping workouts more and more often. What makes you great is when you get through that, when you find new fuel sources. You have to look for them, even if you think one you have is unlimited. What if it won't make any big fire? What if it is inefficient to go for miles to bring two branches?

Still, every single branch is needed, no log or stomp burns from small fire, so make sure you gather it all and cherish it. Sometimes a dry leaf can save your fire. Rome was not built in one day, you need to lay a brick after brick.

What if wind and rain destroys yor fire? Great people will remember how to start it again! Knowledge and experience are great lighters! But you need to take time to learn what's effective or not.

Ok fk it I will write sn article... All the best guys!
  • + 2
 almost shed a tear , very inspiration Wink
  • + 2
 WAKI Write your HOW TO Part 5 ! ! ! ! please
  • + 1
 WOW $3500 is a steal!!! especially compared to specialzed's s-works half carbon demo frame for $4000, seriously so much for specialized being so big that they can afford to sell bikes cheaper
  • + 1
 Dope Waki! That is some good advice. Especially for the 16yr old guys who think the next step is unattainable. Make success your goal in everything, not the material steps along the way. The steps will come and go but ride, work, learn, love with success as your goal and you cant go wrong. When you have blown your load on this B E A U tiful bike, it will still turn into a beat up POS in 6-8 yrs. Your Successes along the way will be yours to keep.
  • + 0
 "njdfan101
Ah, yet another bike I will never be able to afford."

Nor utilize anywhere near its full potential anyway even if you could afford it.
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  • + 26
 that's actually pretty reasonably priced compared to how much the specialized demo 8 carbon was when it first came out!
  • + 4
 but compared to the Session 9.9 frame weight it is not the lightest DH frame Wink
  • + 1
 But has longer life Big Grin
  • + 1
 and how many v10s have u seen snapped at the head tube? id rather have it like a pound more and be able to trust its strength!! lol
  • + 1
 Bullitproof, didn't you watch the video of the testing of carbon vs aluminum frames? Pretty convincing to me that the carbon is definitely worth the money.
  • + 1
 @ Pendsocks, the first thing I did when I saw this article was look up the weight of the Trek Session 9.9 which remains the lightest carbon downhill bike. Weight doesn't equal strength guys. Aaron Gwins frame never broke and how many people in the world ride harder than that guy? Santa Cruz would make it lighter if they knew how to.
  • + 1
 The Trek Session 9.9's ACTUAL WEIGHT (not claimed) is over 8 lbs with the Fox DHX RC4. Trek's claimed weight for the Session 9.9 is completely wrong. You guys don't think Santa Cruz did a side by side weight comparison? Think again.
  • + 1
 lol, vroom dude.. i own a v10 carbon.... im sure im pretty convinced haha
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  • + 17
 Dear santa we have not allways seen eye to eye well you do bring me crap evry year just this once can you please please please bring me this bike. I was going to right to jimmy saval but thats risky and hard now hes dead. So mr santa your my last hope and i forgive you for touching my wife back in 1997 when you left me slipers thinking that makes it ok Big Grin
  • + 3
 lmao sick man, sick but funny all the same
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  • + 15
 Sorry to burst the SantaCruz bubble - and rain on a pretty cool parade, but the first carbon bike to win a world championship race was the Lahar M9 in 2006 with Cam Cole taking out the junior world champs. Impressive stuff back then. It always had a carbon rear triangle! Not taking the piss here too much, as I admire SantaCruz and how the Syndicate operate as a team.
  • + 1
 Hey, Did anyone ever do any good on a GT Lobo Carbon in world comp? I think it did well in US nationals 1998. Steve Peat was on GT at the time.
  • + 1
 ABSOLUTELY TRUE !!!! Congrats to Aaron for that.
  • + 1
 Nico Vouilloz won the '97 World Champs on 6" travel Sun Chipie with a carbon front triangle. www.sicklines.com/gallery/data/948/medium/nico_sunn_chippe_bike.jpg
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  • + 17
 so much for 'we'll never release the carbon rear triangle, that's syndicate only'...
  • + 5
 Totaly agree with that....Amazing frame in a reasonable price.. Trek and Specialized its a joke... Santa cruz Go for the GOLD
  • + 3
 They said they would never release the rear triangle that was being built for them by Enve for prototyping here in the U.S. That's because it would have been $2k for the rear triangle alone and practically speaking, Enve aren't in the business of mass monocoque frame production. They never said they would never put it into standard production.
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  • + 7
 I know $3500 for a frame isn't cheap, but when you look at other frames in it's class (Specialized Demo Carbon and Trek Session 9.9, $4,000 - $4,400) it is a pretty good deal. Props to Santa Cruz for keeping it close to what similar aluminium frames are going for these days, and giving it a good warrantee.
  • + 2
 These are all wonderful bikes, including the new Undead.
  • + 5
 Wilson Carbon, $3300.....
  • + 1
 @atrokz - I was sold on the new carbon Wilson (especially with the lifetime warranty) but after seeing this i'm not sure anymore. Both well priced frames compared to a lot of the competion.
  • + 1
 I hear you. But for most riding I do the Wilson seems like such a spot on ride. Also a fan of how DW plotted the leverage ratio on it. Tough decision to anyone buying a carbon bike these days. Can't lose.
  • + 1
 Exactly. Both great bikes no doubt. I think the Wilson looks a little bit better, but judging by other bikes I've ridden, VPP is a little bit better than single pivot. My mate's V10C is the smoothest bike I have ever ridden by a long way. It's like sitting on an armchair to ride over rocks. I've never ridden a Wilson though, they are meant to be pretty special too. If I had to choose, I'd probably go for the Wilson based on looks. The V10 looks great but I think the stickering is a little OTT.
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  • + 6
 Would that version with the lime green accents look nice with those green DVO Emerald forks?

Not that I care how my bike looks, of course. [cough]
  • + 2
 prophetic !
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 I am one of the lucky ones to have actually tried it. Really an amazing bike, It was so cool having the Syndicate guys with us showing this bike here thanks guys. I took some of my dodgy head cam footage and made a little clip about it. One lesson I learned was that dont try following a pro...they are fast....
www.i-mtb.com/santa-cruz-v10-launch-behind-the-scenes
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 It's nice to see Nick siting in a chair instead of a wheel barrel. Wink Cheers to everyone who participated in the launch in Tuscany.
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 Hello !

I would like to write an open letter to you Santa Cruz.

You are a brand close to my heart. My passion for bikes has been long and endured live throughout times.

Since I started racing XC and DH back in 1995 that I have always had dream bikes in my head. I started by Intense, an M1 for DH that I upgraded throughout the years to the Socom and latter to the M3. After buying the M3 and seeing that Intense was shortening the lifecycles with a more commercial approach I started looking elsewhere.

I started riding a Nomad in 2005 and I loved it. The finishing, the ride and the time it lasted "commercially" wise. I latter upgraded it to a Alum Nomad 2 and latter to a Nomad C. I needed to drop my M3 before it got too old.

This year in October I bough myself a V10 Carbon. I saw the new color scheme and thgought that a new model was not coming through (I even emailed you asking for the rear alum triangle before the summer and understood it was not for production). After 1 month a ALL NEW v10C comes in.

It was a stab in my heart I must confess. The V10C was not a cheap bike/frame and launching a new color scheme for a short period to hten send in a all new V10c seems to me like a cheap marketing trick of the big brands in bikes and the like of Unilever, etc.

I wanted of course to show my deep discontent with the situation and ask you for access to an exchange program or something alike.

You have a strong follower/fan base. Hope you don't become the next every year a ENTIRE NEW model type of brand !

All the best, M

ps: I have only ridden my OLD V10c 2 days ...
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 @Miguel: I feel you buddy. Somehow I find myself in the exact same situation! Even with the rear carbon triangle I will be missing out on 300g weight savings... I really do feel this is a serious issue for Santa Cruz!
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 Welcome to life on the cutting edge. Get used to it.
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 Why would the complete bike not be spec'd with the ENVE bars and seatpost?

Nothing wrong with Easton Havoc & Thomson, but I would have thought a full carbon bike, with ENVE wheels, developed in conjunction with ENVE would have the bars & seatpost.
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 Stock build vs. team build, perhaps? SC might be trying to keep it at a certain pricepoint.
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 It's an f'ing full carbon bike with carbon wheels, I don't think anyone buying this is going to balk at an extra hundred bucks for the full carbon bits.
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 I see your point.
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 Ok so the bike is freaking nice. My thoughts, though, is: Get a decent ride and focus on your riding technique. Too many people rely on technology, lets not forget John Tomac bombing DH runs on his stiff-fork hardtail and (gasp!) V-brakes...
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 Love it, my 12V10c was he best bike Ive ever ridden DH or otherwise and this looks the complete frame package, as for cost there's plenty of great low budget competitive DH bikes around, not everyone needs this stunner but man she will be worth it thats for sure and I bet she wont nag either, she will just keep asking for you to give her the full 10inches, the question can you handle her, are you up to the super model of bikes, you have to pay to play, props SC best Santa Cruz yet, team colours for me pse, 13 V10c you complete me haha.
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 A friend has the Carbon Nomad- everything about it screams quality and class. Little touches here and there show they have really thought about it. Same with this beast- you've gotta love Santa Cruz.
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 Im not 100% on the 157mm Rear end, this only means you have access to less hubs right? keeping it at 150mm with the same design with the wheel sitting in nicely would be the same no?

have to admit though thats one VERY nice peice of kit!.... one thing though i'll never be able to buy because im on a normal persons wage. 3 more years and the price of carbon frames will be so cheap everyone will have one,

I also think I have a very good question to ask!!
How long will the frame last compared to Ali? I only ask because I know of some carbon grades deteriorate after some time? suppose it the same with aluminum oxides but that takes years!!!

Maybe Santa Cruz should give people the chance to win one Big Grin
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 Not really an issue with hubs, most manufacturers (Hope for example) are already offering 142mm conversion kits for standard hubs, fit the 142mm end caps to your 150mm hub and your ready to go. As for degredation, yeh carbon has a short life due to the probability of impact damage building up over time but in theory it could last for years. Aluminium usualy suffers from fatigue damage long before oxidation ;-). If you want a long lived bike best to go for some titanium,. but I bet youll get bored of it after a few years :-)
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 hmm, thats true actually! we all change our bikes because we eventually get bored of them!! Dont know why I was neg propped for my last comment! Carbon is nice though! that bike is just something else Smile
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 eey dugglest.. will that really work.. ? fitting the 142 end caps on 150 hubs.? wont you have trouble with the disc mount and so,. ?
also.. i can assume that mavic doesnt have conversion kits for their DH wheels.. Frown
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 Needless new "standards" piss me off, and make mother earth cry. THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH 150MM.
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 yeah i am with you 100%
but they need this for the rich twats who have trouble fitting in their wheels..
1mm extra inside on the dropouts would do too.. but heey.. sell sell sell..
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 I have nothing against changes, but I doubt i'll be changing untill the point where its impossible to get parts for older products and your forced to move on.
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 V-10's used to ship with a proprietary 160mm Hadley hub, when they first came out. So, this new hub issue is no surprise. It's still a 7mm difference over 150mm, like 142 is over 135, so I'm sure there's a simple solution, it's not a coincidence.
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 davehayz93, the article says, it still uses a 150mm hub: "it's the same hub spacing, but there are 3-millimeter indexing insets in the frame for the axle to seat into". So the extra spacing is for ease of wheel removal.
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 So why does the guy on the video say about a 157mm hub? I don't know! This new stuff confuses me haha Smile
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 Shimano make dedicated hubs for each axle standard so you would need a different hub from them, but Hope and DT plus many others will just offer conversion kits and in some cases the 135 to 142 parts will work The hub has 3.5mm to be exact, not 3mm, on either dropout hence the addition 7mm, both on 142 and 157 hubs. These standards dont affect disc rotor spacing ect as THE EXTRA WIDTH IS OVERLAPPING WITH THE DROPOUT WIDTH. This is simple stuff guys, bike are not mechanically complex things.
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 What.. so you knew about that before you were told/read? Don't think so, where exactly the same.
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 That was more directed at haters of the new standards, if you've never heard of it before before fair enough, but I would avoid asking in the comment on here as who knows what response youll get, google is your freind Razz
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 Would there be more flex in the rear?
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 thanks dugglest.. i missed that view, while hating the new standard.. Wink
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 Your not gonna know that without doing some testing or analysis or whatever, but my guess is there will be negligible change in stiffness
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 anyone wanna give me there old frames for free?
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 love the new frame, but i cant but wonder about why they cant have internal cable routing because they have to" remove the caliper to change there pads"??? wtf what kind of brakes do they use ? internal routing should only take longer if your replacing cables, not pads
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 I'v been up thinking about this gorgeous bike. It's been about 12 hours since I first saw it and several times in between. What I’ve come to realize is, a bike like that in my power would be nothing more than blessed attempts at riding. I would nowhere find it’s soul than ride it with dignity. Ah but yet...I want one...I really want one...reeeal bad!
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 Great looking thing. I trust Santa Cruz. I have a Nomad C and it's been super strong, reliable, and their CS is easy peasy to deal with for bearings. Their engineers know what's up too.
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 V-10 = awesome machine and no disputing its domination in the hands of Peaty and Minnar, et al...however weren't they using a non carbon swingarm in 2010 ??....Beaumont won Val Di sole on a stock full carbon Fury frame later that year...and ..to get old and crusty....one could reach back to days when the GT Carbon Lobo and the Carbon STS was raced in WC DH by Vouilloz, Peaty, Carter, King and Barel.
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 My God that's a beautiful bike! I don't think I will ever have the $$$ to drop on this sexy beast however but my Nomad still makes me swoon. I drove by Santa Cruz yesterday (in the area on vacation) just to see the motherland. I kinda felt like a stalker as I watched from the street. Keep building gents and grand tip of the hat to you on this one.
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 The weight savings on this frame are just immense! 3.15 kilos with an air shock is just unbelievable, hell, that weight just a little bit more than an enduro frame! An it's probably as strong - if not stronger - as the previous version. And it looks so majestic!
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 I own a Commencal also EnduroManiac www.pinkbike.com/photo/8924543
I don't know why you think it's a pain, I fished my brake and gear housings through in 15 minutes. The extra time spent fishing them through is worth it just to protect them from crashes and such.
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 if i had the money like f*ck would i buy a porshe, id be getting a mk1 escort thats rally prepped .
back to the bike i like the look of these but i know carbon is meant to be as strong if not stronger, but arent carbon bikes like moto helmets ?
crash you need a new one or after X years you need new?
say if you come off and the bike hits rocks or trees is the integrity of the frame now compromised ?
and doesn't carbon have a live span like i think my tutor said his road bike frame they reccomend replacing after 2-3 years or something as thats its lifespan ...
if i paid 3k+ on a frame id want it to last longer than that and if true what will it mean for a resale ? i ride a mk1 v10 2004 , so years to come will carbon bikes that are for sale be cheap and potentially dangerous if over the year they weaken?
i know the benefits of carbon but for road yes but for a bike thats gonna take a hammering every ride im not sold.
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 Going to need another loan I guess, any word on the full build prices yet? particularly with what's shown here such as the Fox 40 kashimas and the Saint brakes and gears, enve wheels and the crankset?
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 there really isn't much more you could ask for in a DH frame. good job Santa Cruz. Intense better hurry it up with the carbon M9 project. they may lose a customer.
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 is it just me, or why wouldn't you run a coil shock with a ti spring? the weigh penalty is ~200g and the performance is noticeable... (unless air shocks have improved massively this year)
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 Antidote bikes make monococ frame for 2-3 years, now they make full carbon frame - www.antidotebikes.com


www.mtb-downhill.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Antidote-Carbon-DH.jpg
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 Looks awesome!! one for the christmas wish list, dear Santa.....however, with all the refinements over the years and details, I struggle to think where do you go from here? This looks perfect to me!!
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 Sorry but "The most successful DH bike of all time" is Sunn Radical, and it's mine Wink

World Champion: 1994 (François Gachet) , 1996 (Anne-Caroline Chausson), 1997 (Anne Caroline Chausson & Nicolas Vouilloz-Carbon Frame), 1998 (Anne Caroline Chausson & Nicolas Vouilloz), 1999 (Nicolas Vouilloz): 7 times

Junior World Champion: 1994 (Anne Caroline Chausson), 1995 (Anne Caroline Chausson & Cedric Gracia), Mickael Pascal & Fabien Barel, Melanie Pugin (2008 & 2009): 7 times

Master World Champion: 1995 (Eric Barone)

Total: 15 times World Champion... more than another DH bike
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 I would consider this as a dream build even though not a fan of the v10. Santa Cruz is now offerring real wc race quality frames to the public. The weight seems to be just right and took alot of work reaching this level. The one thing that always threw me off when looking at a SC frame is that big bubble whale hump top tube. Its basically a common theme to all SC bikes and looks very unrefined in my opinion. Something as small as that can influance a frame purchase believe it or not. This new frame appears to be the first time they have chosen to not use the whale hump and we see how much cleaner it looks. Hopefully this translates to all SC frames in the future.
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 Awezome that they chose not to do internal cable roting... hopfully other. Bikes will do away with it aswell. It is such a pain in the ass
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 I remember back in the mid-90's an English brand was advertising a full carbon fibre downhill bike in MBR magazine, carbon Y-shape frame with single pivot carbon swingarm, can't remember the brand name for the life of me but the bike was black and had the union jack on it with the old Pace carbon fibre dual crown forks... heck you could even buy carbon fibre 'mag' wheels to match - we are constantly being sold next gen' refinements of old concepts so far this century, including every pop tune being a remake of something from the 20th century too, I'm starting to think the 21st century will go down in history as the time when advertising reigned supreme lol
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 just a question..
what are the benefits of designing slack seat post for DH bike? (V10, Trek 88/99, Demo8 ) .. FR bikes less slack .. @mikey any answer
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 I love what CG had to say about being on this bike.
"I got a boner – it's hard to turn."

Welcome back CG.

I've been a Trek guy, but this bike turned my head.
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 Couldn't bear to read the article, because I don't have a widescreen monitor, c'mon pinkbike, cater to the little man too please
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 Five-year warranty and lifetime crash replacement!!!! I think I have to sell my M9?
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 opps it said brake not pads. you still should probably bleed the brake after you switch a brake whether or not its internal routing or not im thinking
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 Amazing that this frame w/ vivid air weighs slightly less than my Ibis HD w/ RP23 !!!
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 The new bike is looking sweet but I'm still really happy with the close out V10 from Santa Cruz direct Big Grin
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 my world has imploded.....thank you Santa Cruz. This takes the carbon dh to a new level. most beautiful bike ever. 7 pd with air shock. wow.
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 '...I would love to ride it but instead I'll just cut it in half with my mucky angle grinder...' sweet looking rig!
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 Who gives a damn what the inside of the bike looks like? How bout they just give the frame to an ecstatic mountain biker instead of saw the thing to pieces for no reason.
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 i have hoped that they have made a rear carbon frame for the old one it would have been cheeper for meSmile
and i would not have to get a new rear hub
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 This would look very nice next to my Carbon Nomad. Much nicer than my pain in the ass M9.
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 wow such an amazing frame! You can see they've put a lot of work and r&d into it, definately not the bike for me but a great piece of craftsmanship!
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 The second video, where the guys cutting the frame up....... that's what i call gore....
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 I will sell my soul for this bike. Just tossin that out there in case anybody is looking for an extra soul.
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 I'm going to Vegas in a few weeks.

Could probably use an extra soul..... What ya asking for it?
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 Stupid carbon! What if I encounter an angle grinder on the trail??? Up poop creek, thats what. DH needs to stay in the alloy!
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 very very nice bike and even lighter than the old model...I think buy one next year
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 Wilson vs. V-10 which seat can I take?
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 Dude those wheels they are advertising are sick, oh and so is the frame...
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 I,ll take two........One for me.......and one for me.
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 i like it but it not that much diferent i really like the black and yellow tho
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 I want this i need to get rid of my 2004 trek deisel !! and get me a whole new bike but its this thing called money !!
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 So happy I sold my alu V10 this year and got a new job :-)...now let's juggle the budget to accommodate that girl
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 sucks for all you "old" carbon v10 owners
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 Yep, just got my 2012! Even after talking to SantaCruz, asking if the carbon swing arm will ever see production only a month ago - and they said no. So got the 2012 feeling super happy on their word that the 2013 is exactly the same as 2012, with only the shock updated. Gotta love surprises!!
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 I was in shock, 5 days later that I transfer the money to the dealer ( buying a 12 V10), I saw this article....lucky he didnt get the order processed....so YES, i can wait until feb to get my carbon swingarm and all that crazy shita, sorry man!
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 I must confess, I jizzed after watching the video.
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 WOW!! SC has come a long way way now.. I still remember John Wadell's aluminum V10 back in the day Smile
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 Dear Santa... Been waiting for this one for a long time. Now I expect Intense to follow suite with an all-carbon M9.
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 GOD, why??!?! The bike of my dreams and they just cut it in pieces!!!!!Cruel world....
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 Just found my new enduro bike... Lighter builds possible than my current small travel.
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 What sets these guys apart is attention to detail. I would love to have a go on one to see if it rides as well as it looks.
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 CMIIW, but the bike pictured doesn't use direct mount RD, the RD still use B-link.
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 Bumpstop is cableguide - like - if brakelline and cable can take the beating. Rest of frame: -1 degree head angle, half inch more travel in the rear and now also in black plastic.
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 I really feel sorry for my buddy that bought the "old one" 1 month ago...
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 yah totally agree. What a piece of junk. How can he even be expected to roll down a rock and root strewn mountain without a carbon swing arm.

Here I was all happy that my D8 had a interchangeable part with the V10C and now thats all blown to hell. I think I will put carbon stickers over it so I can save some face next time I ride it to Starbucks. Wink
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 That is not a Direct Mount hanger on that frame. Will it be an option?
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 Cheers to the few people who alredy bought 2013 model with Al rear end! Big Grin Big Grin Big Grin
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 If there taking angle grinders to frames, why cant they just give me one for free ?
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 Is the Fox fork 10 inch travel as well?
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 The cutting of that frame is like watching a "SNUFF" film.
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 I think i died and went to heaven.
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 More like l died and on the way past heaven we stopped for some window shopping on the way to hell ( I doubt I will be owning one of these any time soon , really really would like to tho )
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 Wow, they made the sexiest dh bike even sexier
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 Sickest bike ever!!!
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 Nice, but I still like my Demo 8
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 So when are we getting a revised Nomad?
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 Where can I buy a rear triangle?
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 does it means that i cant use my 150 mm hub in the rear frame?
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 song in the first video?
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 Dj Fresh, Gold Dust
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 thnx man Smile ))))))))))
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 no no , i don't want it, i don't want it, snirffff .......
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 I may sell my house!!!
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 Just when I thought these couldn't get any sexier.
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 Does anyone know if the revised dropout will work with old 9 speed saint?
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 Another bike to drool over!
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 Definitely drooling right now!
Still love my 07 rmx with monster ts Smile
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 That's a real purdy bike you got there boys.
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 Suddenly, the number of pre-2013 V10s in the BuySell has risen. lol
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 my scalp weighs 18kg how much would this way in total?
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 Wow. I really want one of those.
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 I'm pitching a tent right now.
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 would trade my Trek for this one.. dame...
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 if there is a god give me that bike!
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 dear santa....
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 was expecting an enve bars and post. that would be nasty.
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 Racja, udało mi się nim przejechać i ta kiera wcale mi nie leży. Enve to znacznie lepsza opcja.
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 Great photos in this article. Good job!
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 Pure torture seeing that perfectly good frame being cut in half
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 Didnt Marc Beaumont win the first Worldcup on a carbon GT fury????
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 nice, amazing, but why the hell does not have a Saint crank set ????
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 is Enve manufacturing the swingarm for the production bikes?
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 the v10 looks so much better now that it has fox suspension
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 o if only money grew on trees
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 Santa I was really good this year !!!
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 "Turns carbon... into gold"
Great pitch!
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 Awww! Looks sick!
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 those enve rims are like a sexual fantasy in rim form
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 Sc, take my money, now!
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 2013 V10 and the new DVO Emerald. may just be my next bike.
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 I think everyone should own at least 1 Santa Cruz bike.
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 I've owned 10 Big Grin
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 Too expensive and too much plastic!
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 This bike is soo sick!!! But I could only wish to be able to afford it
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 Does it still have a 1.5" headtube?
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 That angle grinder video makes me a sad panda Frown
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 a carbon demo 8 or this...
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 this beats a demo by a longshot... and it doesnt have a linkage that will snap a shock in half... lol
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 My soul for this bike...
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 pretty sure the session is the most successful downhill bike of all time...
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 Does anyone remember that survey they did up in BC and the most seen bike was the demo 8 but you can't really talk about wich is more successful and wich is not
  • + 1
 to be fair, it doesn't really mean anything. At this point, it's all about the rider and who has the most money.
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 that said i think the sunday is probably up there with the most successful downhill race bikes, if not THE most successful.
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 3,6kgs with shock!! wow
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 y the rims so fatt?
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 One word : SICK!!!
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 strongest ever.... not toughest i'll take alloy's reliability over carbon's performance until i land a spot on the syndicate Razz
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 I've seen that video, that's strength, not toughness. Chip one of the layers of carbon and it becomes a ticking time bomb
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 That's untrue...one of the biggest fallacies relating to carbon. You can also repair carbon...did you know that?
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 I miss Ferrentino.
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 sweet envy wheels...
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 Yuuuppp! When the image appeared of the bike, I noticed the wheels before the frame. Went oooooh just like when graphite fishing rods first came out a few decades ago.
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 che la cosa più bella
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 just ordered the frame
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 I just creamed myself...
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 Its so beautiful!
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 Just bought one yesterday..... FML
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 One of the 1/2 price frames from SC? How is that a FML?
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 Nicest looking whip I've seen in a long time.

*BUT!: why you no route cables internally?.. looks so much smoother that way!
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 Yep, and it such a pain in the a** when you gotta change anything... I have a commençal and it took me a full day to bring this bloody hose in place. Cable housing had to be split in 2 parts as I could not make it from a single bit. Not saying it's impossible. Just very annoying. My next bikes definitly WON'T have internal cable routing
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 Facepalm Watch the video....
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 on the commencals start from the back of the bike and remove the fork, makes it alot easier, in 20 minutes i can have a brake changed or a gear outercable
  • + 1
 I actually had more difficulties with the gear cable housing. Couldn't make it go through the "bend" of the yoke. Nevermind, I find a way through. I am just not looking forward to have to do that again.
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 it's easier from the back because the hole is bigger(ha), and you have less outercable to move to make the change in direction
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