Tested: Shimano Zee Rear Mech

Jan 23, 2013 at 0:07
Jan 23, 2013
by Matt Wragg
 
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Shimano have something of a checkered past when it comes to affordable, heavy-duty drivetrains. Their Hone group comes to mind, with its non-standard derailleur mounting that very quickly (and thankfully) went the way of the dodo. So when we agreed to test the Zee mech, our first question was: "Will it work with my regular dropout?" It does. For the few who are not familiar with Zee, it is Shimano's affordable gravity groupset that some refer to as 'Saint Light' and it has become a popular offering on mid-priced bikes.

Close-up of the used mech.
Zee is Shimano's affordable gravity groupset - here is our battle-scarred test mech.
On the scales vs XT.
A wide-range Zee on the scales, vs. an XT long cage mech.

Shimano Zee rear mech details:

- Short cage only
- 10-speed only
- Shadow RD technology: Super low-profile design with clutch chain stabilizer
- DH spec - 28T Capacity
- Freeride spec - 36T Capacity
- Weight: 270g

- MSRP: $115.48 USD

Details

There are two versions of the Zee mech available and you need to make sure you get the correct one. There is a DH version, designed for close-ratio cassettes, and a FR one that works with up to 36t cassettes. This is one of the big differences between this and the Saint mech, which comes with an adjuster allowing you to easily switch between the modes. Aesthetically, yes Saint is a bit prettier, but the main difference is that the Saint uses a massive, wide-spaced parallelogram, while the Zee derailleur shares the more compact design of the XT mech. As for weight? Well, Shimano states the weight of its Saint mech at 280 grams. Our wide-range Zee weighed 270 grams. If you are using your Zee for Enduro or AM use, that's 12 grams more than Shimano's XT Shadow-plus mech - and $25 less.

The setup w 11-36t cassette.
We used the wider-range freeride version with an 11-36t cassette.

Setup

The Zee mech is compatible with all of Shimano's ten-speed components, so we ran it with an XT shifter, because it's what we were already running. The mid-cage derailleur was paired with an 11-36 cassette and a single-ring crankset. There was no drama regarding setup. We more or less threw it at the bike and it started working fine. It is a 10 speed, so as always, it takes a little bit of fine tuning to get the gears dialed.

Close-ups of the damage
Some close-ups of the beating our test mech took, and survived. On the left you can see the gouges in the body and on the right, if you look closely, you can see how far bent out of line the cage became.

On the Trail

It is immediately noticeable how good the Zee mech feels with the XT shifter. Gone is the ambiguous lightness of Shimano from years gone by, replaced by an incredibly solid, positive feeling. Having ridden a few different options on different bikes since setting this up on our long-term test, we find ourselves coming back to this setup and appreciating how good this combination is. In a blind test you'd be hard pushed to pick this out as a cheaper option. Here at Pinkbike we are big fans of clutch mechs and this Zee is no different - it isn't when you use a clutch derailleur that is the big deal, it's if you go back and try to ride a bike without one that you realize just how good they are and the Zee is everything we hoped it would be in that regard - quiet running and precise shifting.

Where the Zee mech really stands out is in terms of survivability. It was with the 2012 XT derailleur that we first noticed that the current Shimano mechs keep working well past the point when you'd expect them to fail. That XT mech was scored, grated and slightly twisted, but it kept going. This Zee mech goes another step beyond that. Just after fitting it, we were riding with it at Lenzerheide, in Switzerland. Coming through the boulder fields, there were dozens of rocks protruding at about derailleur height. Eventually, a few of them hit home and a couple of them were big hits. We were sure we would look back to see a small pile of twisted metal hanging from the dropout, yet it kept working. Looking at the mech at the end of the week there were a number of big gouges on the body and it wasn't what you'd call straight, but it still changed gear every time you pressed the lever. OK, the indexing wasn't perfect and if you are the kind of person who likes your bike to be just so it would probably have upset you greatly. For us, it's reassuring that you can be more confident of making it home, no matter what happens. If payday is still a few weeks away when you hit your derailleur, you can keep riding, even if it isn't perfect (or if you're lazy like me you can just keep using it as it is for months). And that is impressive.

Pinkbike's take:
bigquotesWe can't help thinking Shimano have shot themselves in the foot with the Zee rear derailleur. After using the Zee mech for a while we are hard-pressed to offer a reason why you would buy the more expensive Saint. It's well-priced - $115 buys you one of the toughest mechs we've ever used. - Matt Wragg

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212 Comments

  • + 52
flag livehardrideharder (Jan 23, 2013 at 0:22)
 After trying out the zee derailleur, and zee brakes, I must report that they are great. Though, I do love the aesthetics of saint. I think shimano will take a big step in becoming OEM on more DH bikes. I mean lets be honest, either you spend $$$$ and get saint or xo on a bike, or you get CRAP. Dealers, manufacturers, and consumers will all be drawn to zee for OEM, and I look forward to it! As for the brakes, short levers, awesome calipers, the best of all shimano brakes combined. EPIC!
  • + 19
flag nwguerilla425 (Jan 23, 2013 at 1:03)
 I actually have to agree with this. The shitty oem parts on bikes are why I've never bought a complete bike. Plus this derailleur is cheap enough that if/when it gets f*cked up or clipped by a rock, it's easy to replace.
  • + 62
flag t1000 (Jan 23, 2013 at 3:33)
 I always found that SRAM X9 was a good compromise... Very decent quality, about half the price of X0, and you can have an X9 group on many bikes.
I bought an X0 derailed/shifter once, and I never felt that the price difference was worth it, then snapped it on a root and just like that lost 300$... Since then, I always go with X9, and looks like the Zee group will offer me a good second option!
  • + 6
flag kev-roberts (Jan 23, 2013 at 4:22)
 pretty sure I seen a Scott catalogue than confirmed this, their new gambler comes specced with Zee kit on it! I've been running the mech for a while and I honestly can't fault it!
  • + 2
flag bigbluebike (Jan 23, 2013 at 4:45)
 Personally I didnt notice a huge change in noise (maybe because my bike was fiarly quiet anyway?) but when you land off big jumps you cant hear any chain slap... Its a quality mech though- i went through 4 x9's in a year because of shoddy design, and now back on zee this has lasted 6 months with no problems and precise shifting!
  • - 37
flag wakaba (Jan 23, 2013 at 5:09) (Below Threshold) show comment
 Zee is good, it is also 3 times the price of an x-5 or even x7. They all can take massive abuse, survive outwardly, can be bent back into shape but the bearings take a beating on all of them. For dh - only top three gears used. So any of them is overkill...but then I want a simple and though bb-gearbox anyway.
  • + 17
flag kev-roberts (Jan 23, 2013 at 5:17)
 here is where you're wrong Wakaba... chain reaction cycles have the 10speed x-7 for £39.99 and the Zee for £49.99 (not quite 3 times the price) and, if we were to compare this to anything that Sram produces, surely it has to be the X-9 as that has a similar RRP, I for one won't be changing back to SRAM gears for a long time!
  • + 10
flag lightningskull (Jan 23, 2013 at 5:52)
 The new Norco Aurums come spec'd with Zee
  • + 2
flag Rideuse67 (Jan 23, 2013 at 7:19)
 Yep Kev-robert, is right the new gambler have a Zee derailleur, and also a Zee crankset ! I think that my next derailleur will be this one, looks strong and it's not that expensive !
  • - 3
flag deeeight Plus (Jan 23, 2013 at 7:26)
 CRC dumps stuff though, at prices below the wholesale for many independant dealers and distributors, and the only reason shimano even sells to them is because of the volumes they do. You cannot hold them up as an example of anything other than one mail order store to another and then only within the same region. Its what... a thousand kms from switzerland to the UK ? Shipping a derailleur over to canada will really hose you in postage costs.
  • + 10
flag turbokicks9250 (Jan 23, 2013 at 7:34)
 I run an x7. I honestly cant find any fault in it, but I would still definitely keep the Zee in mind for a cheap upgrade for sure.
  • + 6
flag guigui333 (Jan 23, 2013 at 8:01)
 CRC 100$ or more FREE shipping (customs have to be paid once in a while, since random chosen package are charged duty sometimes your package comes totally free)
  • + 4
flag EllioMoose (Jan 23, 2013 at 8:16)
 Im pretty sure Pinkbike has it mounted on an specialized Enduro Evo... Review coming soon possibly?
  • + 24
flag kootenaybikes (Jan 23, 2013 at 8:36)
 Support your local shop! Web stores can't fix ur bike, offer you trail info, sell you the emergency repair part to get you going for the weekend or support the local riding scene and trail network. Keep your money in your own community and your whole community benefits.
  • - 3
flag genericmk (Jan 23, 2013 at 8:38)
 That looks like a welded rear tri, so no, not en EVO
  • + 2
flag EllioMoose (Jan 23, 2013 at 9:16)
 @genericmk: You need to elaborate on that. You can see the inside of the chain-stay is yellow which is the same as on the new yellow and black Enduro-Evo. Not to mention that a Zee derailleur would make perfect sense on a 180 mm travel free ride rig.
  • + 4
flag EllioMoose (Jan 23, 2013 at 9:19)
 Evo means long travel, not carbon.
  • + 20
flag shimano (Jan 23, 2013 at 10:01)
 Thanks for the love livehardrideharder and the rest of the Pinkbike community. We're stoked you guys are diggin on ZEE.
  • + 5
flag Railgunner (Jan 23, 2013 at 11:34)
 @kootenaybikes yeah man and a f***in' website can't hand you a beer like my shop does the place is like CHEERS "sometimes you wanna go... where everybodddddy knowws yer naaaaa-aayymmeee" hahahaha f**kin support your bros, bros!
  • + 3
flag cretin82 (Jan 23, 2013 at 11:55)
 ive ridden saint and xo shifting groupings on bikes. for me, saint takes the cake. the only reason i run xo right now is because it came on my bike and i dont have the extra cash to make the switch. but if you are looking for a lower priced alternative for mech's, you cant go wrong with x9 or zee.
  • + 2
flag fssphotography (Jan 23, 2013 at 12:46)
 Yes that exact Enduro specialized bike has been tested..... www.i-mtb.com/specialized-enduro-evo-bike-test
  • - 2
flag johniedamn (Jan 23, 2013 at 13:49)
 JUST KEEP AN EYE ON MY SELL ITEMS. Baby blue Driver8 M (slightly used) with complete ZEE components(brand new) about to be sold in a freaking low price!
  • + 2
flag nwguerilla425 (Jan 23, 2013 at 14:15)
 I just have issues with sram. Lots of people like them and that's cool, every company has a following. I find sram derailleurs to be lacking 'something' that I was able to find in most shimano derailleurs. With that in mind I've only tried x5, x7, x9, no x0 (so I can't speak for that) but the others just felt spongy to me, if that makes any sense.
  • + 2
flag cretin82 (Jan 23, 2013 at 14:20)
 when you say spongy do you mean by the way they shift? if so i know what you mean, I felt saint to be much more stiff and responsive with the shifting. and honestly i dont feel a performance difference between xo and x9.
  • + 1
flag madmon (Jan 23, 2013 at 15:24)
 one day when my saint dies i might try it....then again i have a spare 810 rear mech so.....much later, I paid 132bux at CRC for the saint. I will not be using the Zee. Nice option though.
  • + 1
flag cikudh (Jan 23, 2013 at 16:42)
 got the Zee rd+shifter combo for less than USD90 Big Grin
  • + 3
flag kev-roberts (Jan 23, 2013 at 16:45)
 in reply to all of those above, who commented on me stating the price of a zee mech on CRC... I did support my LBS, my whole 10speed drive train came from the same shop, it was just to prove it isn't a massively expensive option, especially if it works well!
  • + 2
flag nwguerilla425 (Jan 24, 2013 at 21:53)
 Yep that's exactly what I mean. I understand that I'm comparing a Mercedes to a Kia as far as derailleurs go which is why I bought my Saint to begin with. I understand why people like rocking x5 and x7 especially for racing purposes since you really don't need to shift that much and odds are you'll blow through a few in a season and they are cheap to replace. Now with the zee you don't have to drop $150 to $250 (depending on where you shop of course) to replace a lost or broken Saint. ZEE ftw!
  • + 1
flag robc10 (Jan 26, 2013 at 3:07)
 Looks like saint have a new competitor
  • + 2
flag cretin82 (Jan 26, 2013 at 15:30)
 and its his little brother!
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  • + 18
flag lifesgoingdownhillfast (Jan 23, 2013 at 0:15)
 I got one its the dogs nuts, shifts fast and reduces chain slap, looks like a Saint not that im bothered and when the welsh Mountains smash it off im not going to curl up and cry for too long because I could probably get 2 to the saints 1. (",)
  • + 21
flag shimano (Jan 23, 2013 at 10:00)
 Thanks for the love! +1 for the first line.
  • + 5
flag madmon (Jan 23, 2013 at 15:25)
 they both rock but the Saint has gold paint
  • + 4
flag dmckiwi (Jan 23, 2013 at 21:22)
 I went from XT-XTR 9spd to a Zee mech with XT shifter and its brilliant. Quiet and positive shifts, can't think anything of it ever doing anything bad.
  • + 2
flag lifesgoingdownhillfast (Jan 24, 2013 at 12:37)
 mmmmmm gold paint...
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  • + 9
flag Ploutre (Jan 23, 2013 at 0:21)
 You can run the Zee on a 9spd setup, by using a 9spd SRAM shifter. I'm running an X9 shifter with the Zee on my miniDH bike, 9spd cassette and chain, and it works perfectly Smile

But for the price you can have it in France, it's just one of the best derailleur out there.
  • + 1
flag iainc92 (Jan 23, 2013 at 2:57)
 Interested to know more, have you done any alterations? Heard rumours of this...
  • + 1
flag olijay (Jan 23, 2013 at 3:18)
 Very interested in knowing more, since I have a 9spd X9 shifter and would love to get a clutch mech. What kind of cassette do you have? I'm running a PG970 11-34, wondering if it would work okay.
  • - 1
flag t1000 (Jan 23, 2013 at 3:37)
 ???? So Shimano Zee has a different actuation ration than other shimano's derailler? Or do you use a cable pulley to convert the actuation?
  • + 2
flag Ploutre (Jan 23, 2013 at 4:13)
 No the Zee has the same ratio as a Shimano XT or XTR, 10spds. Basically, you could run it with a 10spd XT, XTR, Saint, SLX, Zee, or any 10spd Shimano RD.

My setup on my miniDH bike (see the pictures in my profile) is SRAM X9 9spd shifter, SRAM PG980 11-32 cassette, and I think a shimano XTR 9spd chain (but not entirely sure, might just be XT). With a Shimano Zee FR version (for cassettes up to 36T as mentionned in the article)

And I'm not using any mod on the derailleur, or shifter, both are stocks.

It works because the ratios are really close (I think the difference between both is somewhere around 0.03). I haven't tried this on a 3x10 or 2x10 setup, where crossing the chain might put some more stress. I just know that for a 1x10 setup, all 10spds work perfectly Smile
  • + 1
flag mikkosan (Jan 23, 2013 at 4:31)
 I can vouch for this as I did this on my 1x9 AM rig too. X9 9speed shifter, XT 11-34 9spd cog and Zee RD. No mods needed. Worked great and had no problems when I raced it last December.
  • + 1
flag iainc92 (Jan 23, 2013 at 4:36)
 Thanks for reply, I read that the ratios are ever so slightly different. Really tempted now. Have you had any problems with indexing?
  • + 2
flag Ploutre (Jan 23, 2013 at 4:38)
 Nope none, got it working even faster than my previous X0 setup Big Grin
  • + 1
flag t1000 (Jan 23, 2013 at 4:50)
 I'm confused, Shimano's actuation ratio is around 2, and SRAM's is around 1, so I don't understand why your setup works good.... To be investigated...
  • + 1
flag taletotell (Jan 23, 2013 at 4:50)
 so doing this!
  • + 1
flag iainc92 (Jan 23, 2013 at 4:53)
 Shimano changed their actuation ratio in the 10speed set up, but its not exactly the same as SRAM...
  • - 2
flag TimBigHitFSRII (Jan 23, 2013 at 5:23)
 The deraillur only moves as much as the shifter will let it, so if you use it with an x9 it will move as the shifter tells it to (9 stops) and if you use a ten speed shifter it will move ten, makes sense to me. Will have to try this, I want a clutch one!
  • + 2
flag jwick (Jan 23, 2013 at 7:07)
 If you want the shifting to match up perfectly you can mod the ratio very easily with a 1/4inch square washer. It sandwiches in between the cable and the derailleur. You'll need a slightly longer bolt to accept the thickness of the washer. This gets the shifting near perfect. What Ploutre suggested is close but this will get you the rest of the way there. I'll upload some pics to my profile. I run it on all my bikes now. Big thanks to the man on MTBR who clued me in to this mod.

I forgot to add that the washer has a slot filed into it to accept the cable and keep everything lined up. This is important. The actual thickness to the bottom of the groove is .236". A hair less than 1/4"
  • - 1
flag Treehugger84 (Jan 23, 2013 at 7:22)
 I agree that the new XT stuff leaves something to be desired. The solid black crankset looks like ass and will start showing a nice big shoe wear mark once I break it in. I splurged for the XTR shifters with side-to-side adjustment on the mount and am very happy with them. I do really like the XT rear derailleur mainly because of the clutch. The ZEE and XT derailleur seem redundant but I'll hold any judgement til I try one. I am very happy with all the options us MTBers are getting these days!
  • - 14
flag chriswells (Jan 23, 2013 at 7:25) (Below Threshold) show comment
 .236" is a hair MORE than a 1/4"

Interesting theory though, might try this whole clutch on 9spd setup
  • + 1
flag deeeight Plus (Jan 23, 2013 at 7:36)
 10 speed shimano DynaSys's actuation ratio (used on the 10 speed Deore, SLX, XT, XTR, Saint and Zee) is virtually identical to the SRAM ESP 1:1 ratio used on their 8/9 speed drivetrains over the past decade (from their original ESP models thru the X5 to X.0 groups), the difference is so minor that you'd need to shift 12 or 13 gears at the spacing of a 10 speed cassette before you'd notice any hesitation in the shifts. This has been known on the mtbr drivetrain forum for nearly a year now.

@t1000 the "2:1" ratio of shimano referred to derailleurs up to 9 speeds on the mtb side and the road derailleurs (all except the 7 & 8 speed DuraAce models) only. When they brought out the 10 speed MTB groups, they called it Dyna-Sys and changed the ratios. The ten-speed mountain shifters/derailleurs as a result are not compatible with their 10-speed road units (though the chains, cassettes, chainring spacing, and front derailleur cages are).
  • + 11
flag jwick (Jan 23, 2013 at 7:37)
 really? .25 =1/4"
  • - 1
flag mountguitars (Jan 23, 2013 at 7:42)
 this is quite interesting. i wanted a quieter setup on my XC bike so I was contemplating on replacing the rear mech on my XC bike that has a 2009 XT rear mech and XT DCL shifter with a something that has a clutch like the newer ones but my rear mech and shifter has 9-speeds and the newer mechs have 10-speed so i thought it was going to be a problem. would i regret using a zee with the setup that i have?
  • + 7
flag yellowdogx (Jan 23, 2013 at 8:00)
 Math fail!
  • + 1
flag kopaczus (Jan 23, 2013 at 8:13)
 Is it going to work with a 9spd SLX shifter? I'll be speccing a Zee mech on my DH bike soon and 10spd is overkill for me. Plus, 9spd chains and cassettes are cheaper.
  • + 2
flag jwick (Jan 23, 2013 at 8:31)
 Just to be super clear the mod I described above works with 10spd mountain Shimano derailleurs and 9spd Sram shifters. Take your pick of the rest of the 9spd drivetrain(chain, cassette, front der., chainrings). You could read for days over on MTBR about compatibility of other combinations.
  • - 2
flag andypav (Jan 23, 2013 at 8:50)
 Idiot. .25=1/4
  • + 5
flag deeeight Plus (Jan 23, 2013 at 9:11)
 Once more for the learning impaired...

10 speed shimano DYNA SYS rear shifters and derailleurs... = virtually identical ratio to SRAM ESP/1:1 9speed shifters and derailleurs.

9 speed shimano shifters are NOT compatible with any derailleurs except 9 (or lower) speed shimano mtb derailleurs, and all the shimano road derailleurs except for the 7 & 8 speed DuraAce ones (which you're unlikely to encounter anyway).
  • + 1
flag donch15 (Jan 23, 2013 at 10:01)
 Does it matter is you use the DH or FR version of the ZEE rear derailleur with a SRAM 9spd shifter?
  • + 5
flag taletotell (Jan 23, 2013 at 10:10)
 One more major benefit to putting the zee derailleur with a sram 9 speed shifter is you can build a 9 spd cassette with a 11-36. It has the clearance. I won't be replacing my sram x0 shifters any time soon. This makes me very happy. A little over $100 and I can have a clutch shortcage shifter.

now if only I had $100
  • + 2
flag conv3rt (Jan 23, 2013 at 10:23)
 no stock on FR ZEE rear mechs, on CRC. Huh, wonder how many people just ordered one?
  • + 2
flag chriswells (Jan 23, 2013 at 13:51)
 It was early, before coffee, so yes math fail. No need to call me an idiot prick
  • + 0
flag mountguitars (Jan 23, 2013 at 14:59)
 deeeight, thanks for clearing that up. so im stuck with my current setup then.
  • + 1
flag jaame (Jan 23, 2013 at 21:22)
 I've got the Zee mech sitting in a bag at home with an x9 shifter. I had a look at the mech and the cable locknut is twisted a bit. It looks like putting a 6mm washer under it will not take it 6mm further from the cable stop, as it will be woving 6mm further out diagonally. Still, I can't wait to give it a try on my new bike.

Has anyone actually got cable pull measurements for a sram 9sp shifter and a zee mech over a 9sp cassette? A lot of what I've read on the internet about this mod seems to say it will get decent shifting, but not perfect.
  • + 1
flag jwick (Jan 24, 2013 at 9:23)
 I'm getting near perfect shifting with the spacer. Without the spacer the pull is off enough that the shifting is good in some gears but not all. You may see a video below of someone testing some combinations without the spacer. The cursory test in the stand sounds ok but i suspect under load it's going to be off enough to get some skipping in some of the gears. Thats what I've found anyway. Also, without the spacer the window for adjustment to align the gearing is very small at best. Just give the spacer a try. The investment in the mod is minimal and reversible.
  • + 1
flag donch15 (Jan 24, 2013 at 14:05)
 @JWICK....were you able to pick up the spacer at your local hardware store?
  • + 1
flag taletotell (Jan 24, 2013 at 14:55)
 a stack of washers might do it I bet.
  • + 2
flag jwick (Jan 24, 2013 at 19:51)
 I actually started with a stack of washers to give it a try first. Unfortunatley the washers rotate quite a bit when tightening and make for a finicky setup. The spacer is just a square brass nut. I have a few left over from a ladder rack kit. The brass is easy to work with simple hand files, won't rust and doesn't hurt that it matches the shimano gold accents.
  • + 1
flag steveperry (Jan 24, 2013 at 23:44)
 I just picked up an S-Works stumpy FSR. I have XTR 3x9 but I am interested I. Moving to a 1x9 for enduro racing. Does anyone know if the XTR cranks can convert to a 1x system or do I need new cranks? Would the RaceFace Turbine chain rings work on the XTR crankset? Eventually I would like to move to 1x10
  • + 1
flag donch15 (Jan 25, 2013 at 6:24)
 I think it should feasibly work, I've done it with other cranksets, but to get the spacing and chainline right you may have to gring off the granny tabs.
  • + 1
flag taletotell (Jan 25, 2013 at 7:00)
 Basically use the spacer to your crank to line up the chain ring to the 5th rear cog. no need for anything special.
  • + 1
flag madmon (Jan 25, 2013 at 8:54)
 cue the Shimano guy hurling in bucket....................................and..........................................go
  • + 3
flag jaame (Jan 25, 2013 at 17:43)
 @Steveperry it will definitely work without any problems. You might just need to get some BB spacers of varying thickness to get it spot on, and maybe some washers to fit on your chainring bolts if they are the long ones. You can use a coin, such as a 1 Euro Cent coin, with a 9mm hole if you can't find any in a shop.

As for Shimano guy hurling in a bucket..............................and...................................go

It's not about sex its about trust, and they should be releasing Zee and Saint with 6 or 7 speeds if they want us to trust them again. Until that day, there will be more and more people jumping on the shimano clutch mech/sram 9sp shifter bandwagon.
  • + 3
flag madmon (Jan 25, 2013 at 21:25)
 how bout a 9 speed clutch?
  • + 1
flag conv3rt (Jan 26, 2013 at 9:38)
 ...that's not complicated enough. I'd rather spend hours ransacking a 10 speed item. too easy man.
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  • + 4
flag Aspean (Jan 23, 2013 at 4:01)
 I just ordered Zee mech few minutes ago and then saw this article and was hoping they wouldn't find anything wrong with it :-)

Just one question. Do you guys think XT shifter will perform better then Zee one? Zee has the appeal of same groupset, but if XT would be much better, I would go with that one
  • + 3
flag boxxer27 (Jan 23, 2013 at 5:08)
 I ran a Zee shifter for a while before i crashed and broke it. I then replaced it with an XT shifter and I like the XT shifter wayyyy better. The Zee shifter feels really cheap and plasticy and is a large chunk on your bars. The longer thumb lever is nice but I haven't missed it since I went back to the XT shifter. Plus I like the metal XT lever better. I think everything just feels a lot smoother with it. Worth the extra money for sure.
  • + 3
flag Adym (Jan 23, 2013 at 5:22)
 Yeah, getting a nicer pair of shifters makes such an improvement. I had the old XT ones, 2 generations old now, then upgraded to XTR and wow the difference was ridiculous! So more expensive shifters makes a difference for sure.
  • + 2
flag Dlongb13 (Jan 23, 2013 at 6:22)
 Get the xt. That's how I had mine set up with my zee. Zee shifter is massive and hideous.
  • + 1
flag Aspean (Jan 23, 2013 at 6:29)
 The XT shifter is quite difficult to find and buy if you want only right one. Specially the i-spec version which would I prefer because I'm running XT brakes
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flag slyfink (Jan 23, 2013 at 8:12)
 I have a Zee derailleur, and bought the Saint shifter for it - longer lever, double row of bearings etc. It's an amazing combo, I've never had such good shifting before. ever.
  • + 1
flag Axxe (Jan 23, 2013 at 11:02)
 Saint shifter is what I run. Better release, nicer feel. When shopping for da interwebz deals, price difference is not big. RH only, obviously.
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flag rattpoison (Jan 24, 2013 at 0:48)
 A big difference besides quality, between Zee and XT shifters, is the ability to do double upshifts. Zee can only do 1 at a time like SLX. With 10 cogs, you may sometimes find yourself needing to get into a bigger gear in quite a hurry.
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flag Aspean (Jan 24, 2013 at 2:31)
 Thanks all of you for you opinions. I actually manage to get only the right XT i-spec shifter in my local bikeshop. Its almost double the price of Zee, but I think it will be worthy.
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flag Axxe (Jan 24, 2013 at 8:43)
 Order it online. Difference is like $10 where I shop (and Saint was cheaper than Zee in a local store).
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flag WAKIdesigns (Jan 24, 2013 at 13:06)
 The latest 10sp XT shifter does upshift nice, I'd say better than 10sp X0 on my other bike. Downshifting is a bit whatever. Quality of finish is shit even with Ispec, almost all shifter is made out of plastic and you can see internals from the bottom - that is a WTF. It is way worse what I am used to after 10 years on XTR M950 and XT 850. If you ask me, sith shifters and rear mech go either SLX or XTR
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flag spudlord (Feb 17, 2013 at 14:23)
 Just a quick thought, does this mean I could use my supply of old 9spd SRAM mechs with a 10spd shimano shifter for ghetto 10spd
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flag Axxe (Feb 17, 2013 at 18:18)
 You can use SRAM 9sp shifter and 9sp cassete with 10sp Shimano deraillers (it works as is, but to be perfect you need a spacer at cable attachment). So you can use nice clutch Zee on 9sp cassette. Other way around does not work as well as 9sp derailleur is not as friendly to 10sp chain. I have heard too much float on upper pulley for good shifting. Do not know that for a fact - did not try.
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flag IllestT (Jan 23, 2013 at 4:45)
 In my opinion, clutch mechs have put gear-box bikes back another 10 years at least before they offer any advantage. They are a massive tick against a previously unsolved problem. And making them at such a decent price only helps them. Its also actually the only real advantage to upgrading from 9 to 10 speed
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flag JBR132 (Jan 23, 2013 at 9:01)
 Sorry meant to give you +props!
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flag andyrm (Jan 23, 2013 at 10:09)
 So true about the toughness of this mech - mine got a few good whacks racing at SuperEnduro in Finale - I saw LOADS of torn off mechs that weekend. Mine has scuffs and gouges, but still shifts perfectly. And in an Enduro race, getting to the end, even if not 100% perfect, is absolutely critical.

I wouldn't even consider running anything else now. Got Zee on both my Enduro bikes and am about to fit it on my 1x10 hardtail as well. Huge kudos to Shimano for making a groupset that just works. No stupid materials or crazy made up anacronyms, no flash machining for the sake of it, just functional, reliable and bombproof kit that p*sses on the competition.
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flag vinylmatt88 (Jan 23, 2013 at 4:32)
 My clutch failed after just 2 months. Madison weren't prepared to replace unless it was sent back for inspection, even though it was found by dealer that the tensioning bolt inside the derailleur had undone. (remove the cover with the ZEE logo on and get inside) We got it running and it lasted about another 6 rides before same problem. I have ended up making the adjustment again which is simple enough and seems to work. Having looked at the inner workings can't help but feel this problem will happen on all Zee derailleurs. I ride pretty hard on the bike on some rough and rocky descents and I can only put it down to vibration. Other than that the initial set up with a Saint 10 speed shifter was superb. Also there is a flimsy seal under the plastic cover obviously to prevent dirt ingress, not doing its' job. I don't jetwash bike but was glad I could see problem as I have since packed a bit of grease on that seal. I would recommend anyone with a ZEE (even if it is working) if they want to look after it and potentially stop any crap getting in the workings bit to occasionally put a thin layer of grease around the joint of that plastic casing. Would like to hear if anyone else had problems or if it is worth me paying the extra for a SAINT when ZEE eventually goes back on warranty claim.
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flag mud-plugger Plus (Jan 23, 2013 at 4:59)
 i take it that the adjuster is threaded, this may be a silly thing to ask but can you not put lock tight on it?
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flag vinylmatt88 (Jan 23, 2013 at 5:41)
 Yes that is what I was planning next. (although I expect that will invalidate my warranty) I expect the small bolt will come out although fiddly, although it might be possible to dab some on it with a small pick or someting. From the set up I've seen that is the only solution to keep that bolt from working loose.
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flag mud-plugger Plus (Jan 23, 2013 at 11:45)
 cant see how it would invalidate warrenty, just dip a needle in the locktight, tiny drip on to the start of the threads (as long as bolt does not pass through other side of threads) then wind in, that way its very discreet and as its such a small amount you can remove it Wink . Hopefully it sorts it out and you dont need to cleaim for it, good luck
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flag shimano (Jan 23, 2013 at 13:18)
 vinylmatt88, not to get into too deep of a technical discussion here, there's a lot in the post. Here's our best shot!

Saint and Zee share mechanism, so there is no ‘upgrade’ where this bit is concerned. Only XTR has a different structure, the tension bolt mech is basically the same. We think it might be a specific issue with his mech.

The bolt comes from the factory with two anti-loosening features, the screw is coated with thread lock and the black plastic block is threaded for an interference fit (nyloc concept), so it requires force to unthread the bolt from the block, vibration is not enough. So re-applying thread locker is approved and suggested. It is possible, but unlikely that his RD was somehow delivered without the plastic block or that it fell off the first time. But when the screw falls out, the block should remain attached, since the bolt can be removed from the cam mechanism without the block even half unthreaded

The effectiveness of both anti-loosening features is tied to the quality of the femle threads in the cam unit. It is possible to damage these threads if the mechanism is over-tightened. We have seen riders choose to “crank it up” because they want maximum stability, but the mechanism is not designed for excessive torque. This is the most likely issue with his RD – damaged threads. Adjusting the tension while the cam is engaged could also lead to damaged threads. The assumption is that tension is ‘off’ during adjustment. The service instructions explain that, but good to put out here.

NOTE: Short cage RDs have a different torque setting requirement than Trail RDs, if following the XC adjustment you will, in fact, over tension this bolt so this is the key message.

Here's a link with some of the images and docs we described. shimano.box.com/s/6l81eu0gp7xi5xjf7w8m
give our customer service guys a shout our shoot us a message if you have more questions!
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flag mud-plugger Plus (Jan 23, 2013 at 13:26)
 errr well there goes my discreet locktight theory haha Smile
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flag Quebec2010DH Plus (Jan 23, 2013 at 15:56)
 I could have sworn mine did not have the "switch stabilizer"tool. I looked for it specifically when I removed the cover. Does it only come with the Saint?
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flag vinylmatt88 (Jan 24, 2013 at 10:58)
 Thanks Shimano. Don't quite understand all of it but good of you to put the post up. I'll take a look at the docs.
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flag millsr4 (Jan 23, 2013 at 14:59)
 Has anyone noticed that the X-9 Type 2 is at the same price point and hasn't gotten nearly as much media coverage?! Who else wants to hear more about SRAM other than just their new XX1?! you know the drivetrain that no normal person can afford... Razz
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flag Quebec2010DH Plus (Jan 23, 2013 at 7:40)
 I have one of these too and it works great with my 1x6 set up on my tr250. Some people might not know this, but you can adjust the tension of the shadow+. Remove the 3 small allen head screws for the cap and you get access to the tensioner screw. I found the stock tension to be a little weak, so just a sight turn of the screw and it was perfect. Oh and CRC has them for 68$ CAD plus 10$ shipping. You can't go wrong.
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flag Raffe (Jan 23, 2013 at 8:45)
 I will ask this again and again:
When will internal gearing become standard?????
Over 100 year old technology on modern bikes. Why???
I´ve been riding internal geared bikes since 2006 and I will never ever go back to "ordinary" gears.
Even if it´s heavier.
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flag noyaggro (Jan 23, 2013 at 7:20)
 I used to run saint 1x9 and look to upgrade to 1x10 and tried the zee. I've been using it for about a season now and it works great for me! I get some chain drop/gear dropr (don't know the right term) sometimes when I use the rapid shifting, but overall it is a great!
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flag samjam (Jan 23, 2013 at 11:12)
 I have a ZEE rear mech and shifter fitted to my Spesh Enduro.While i have only really done XC since i got it in December and have only done 280km it has never missed a beat...Love it! The Zee handles a 10spd with ease and is crisp and very tough....It has no right to be still working after some of the stuff it has hit.
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flag FastDHR (Jan 23, 2013 at 21:47)
 ZEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE !!!!
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flag samjam (Jan 24, 2013 at 0:42)
 Word !
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flag rolandpoland (Jan 23, 2013 at 3:41)
 I have it, I forget it, I love that.
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flag Spykr (Jan 23, 2013 at 16:02)
 As nice as the shimano stuff shifts, I'm just not a personal fan of their shifter ergonomics. SRAM's thumb-thumb system just feels better to me, so as long as they keep that, I'll be running SRAM stuff for the most part. That said, the shimano stuff does have slightly smoother shifting, whereas SRAM feels more mechanical. Like...comparing Shimano to F1-style paddle shifters and SRAM to a non-sequential gearbox. In terms of feel. Zee is a silly name, but looks like good stuff! Big Grin
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flag mojojojoaf (Jan 23, 2013 at 16:40)
 Looks nice- haven't used Shimano in YEARS mostly because their shifting was so light. I couldn't feel it. But I hear the new stuff has a more defined shift click feel to it while still being smooth. A couple of friends love it. This mech looks tight too- SHORT CAGE rules.
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flag Novakki (Jan 23, 2013 at 0:28)
 Since shadow+ (clutch) was not going to be released in affordable 9 speed sets like SLX, I went for ZEE. 10 cogs has not been problem nor has it brought any improvement over 9 speed SLX, though I do like the short cage on 32 - 32/11 config on my Reign X. Derailleur & shifter have been working nice and smooth past 4 months. The "release" lever is actually really useful everytime you wanna play with drivetrain or remove your rearwheel. Seems like a sturdy piece of machinery too and I expect it to last quite a bit of time. Will recommend ZEE to anyone with single-ring crankset.
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flag si618 (Jan 23, 2013 at 1:44)
 The new SLX rear mech on my 2013 Reign 1 has the clutch, and it works a treat Smile Just moved from 9 to 10 speed for the first time and agree shifting is not that different, but the clutch? oh so quiet!
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flag fowler22 (Jan 23, 2013 at 4:33)
 What does a "clutch" shifter mean? I'm lost
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flag OwenL67 (Jan 23, 2013 at 5:46)
 means the jockey wheels on your mech don't bounce around as much which is why chain slap is caused the clutch system puts extra tension on the jockey wheels stopping them bouncing around and eliminating or reducing chain slap and creating a quieter ride you will notice the difference allot
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flag iamonfire (Jan 23, 2013 at 9:21)
 zee is good. But i've bought saint 2.5 years ago and still riding it Smile
It has loooooots of dents, better say scars. Once my chain broken and hit into the spokes....and its still working) SO if zee will be as reliable as saint it wont be needed to buy a new one after one-year-riding. After killing X0 and a few x9: saint became a treasure!
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flag triggstar (Mar 2, 2013 at 8:03)
 well a rock flicked up at the bottom of a gnarly rocky dh in the peak district near hope this mornin an smashed my 2 months old zee rear mech clean off my bike an bent my mech hanger too.not happy.about the size of a brick the rock was so im gutted.at least these zee mechs are cheap enough to replace! coz i cant find the bits to try an fix it myselfs it shattered loool
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flag sino428 (Jan 23, 2013 at 8:13)
 Not to start a SRAM vs Shimano war, but I'm looking to put a clutch derailleur on it. Anyone ridden both the SRAMs (X9/XO) or the Shimano (Saint/ZEE) and can give an honest comparison of the two clutch systems. Ive ridden the non clutch versions of all these but was curious about the actual performance of each brands "clutch" since they are designed quite differently.
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flag mrfitz424 (Jan 27, 2013 at 12:12)
 i bought one before this came out. i read this, was totally stoked on the new zee. went for a ride that very same day, then bent the zee in the least likely place. now i have to wait a week to ride my bike untill i get a new mech.
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flag b-mack (Jan 23, 2013 at 8:53)
 A word of warning from my experiences with the Saint mech: If you have a lot of chain growth in your suspension design (i.e high single pivots like an Orange and such) You will need to run the Freeride version (or the adapter in my case) even to have it work on a close ratio cassette. There isn't much tension on the cage until it gets swung forward quite a bit (unlike the old Sram mechs that have mad amounts of tension) so even if you turn the B screw in all the way you still won't get sufficient tension in the 11 or 12 tooth cog because you have to run your chain so long. My bike has quite a bit of growth and in order to both keep tension on the chain in the small cog and run the close ratio set up, I have to limit my biggest cog to a 19t...fortunately I usually run a 12-19 six speed set up. I would have to run it in the freeride mode just to get it to work on the max 25t on my Ultegra cassette... just a heads up.
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flag uzurpator (Jan 23, 2013 at 11:52)
 For all those who want to test 8 and 9 speed compatibility between Shimano Dyna Sys ( 10 speed mtb stuff ) and SRAM ESP ( 8 and 9 speed SRAM stuff )

www.pinkbike.com/video/295847
www.pinkbike.com/video/295848 - as I am writing it, this one is still beig converted, should be available shortly )
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flag TomBasic (Jan 23, 2013 at 22:41)
 Concerning that non-standard mounting for Hone and the first generation Saint, does anyone have any experience with them and can comment? What was good about that style? I know they were mounted via the special axle which required the special hub.
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flag bikeracer28 (Jan 24, 2013 at 12:30)
 am i correct in thinking that when you shift up a gear it is just pushing against the clutch? which just works by friction against the pivot? so when you shift up, it just has a heavy feel to it because it is pushing against that friction? that was a little redundant but i think it got my point across ok. if anyone knows whether i am right or wrong in thinking this please inform me so. thanks!
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flag triggstar (Jan 23, 2013 at 12:51)
 been on one ride on my freeride marin wolf ridge with zee 36t and xt 11-36 cassette and matching zee shifter in crazy snow conditions but i cant fault it one bit...and everythin paid for and fitted for less than 200 quid...happy days
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flag captainian (Jan 23, 2013 at 1:27)
 Bought one to put on my TR250 to replace the too valuable and vulnerable XTR carbon which it came with. Mated with a Saint shifter the performance is faultless. Short cage DH version is working fine (just) with an 12-30 10 speed road cassette and a fine tuned chain length. Clutch system eliminates all the slap.
Works perfectly and cheap enough (almost) to be disposable - Recommended.
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flag OldSkoolAK (May 7, 2013 at 2:37)
 Have been running the xt shofter+zee mech combo round town for a while and agree it's pretty sweet.... gonna take alot of convincing to peel me away from this combo. Very nice.
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flag Saidrick (Jan 23, 2013 at 11:57)
 Glad to see the xt soft shifting is eliminated on this new derailleur. That problem was why I went with X9. It looks like Shimano has finally come up with a good challange for SRAM's X9.
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flag m9lee (Jan 23, 2013 at 10:37)
 why would you compare a xt long cage and short cage zee for weight comparison purposes? compare it with the sram same cage length equivalent or at least the same cage length xt one!
As for the clutch, no thanks
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flag spudlord (Jan 23, 2013 at 22:05)
 Why no clutch dear?
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flag bigbluebike (Feb 14, 2013 at 4:39)
 because it doesnt make a difference to the noise of his bike because he's going too slow for it to make any noise
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flag kathwill (Jan 23, 2013 at 8:27)
 Been running a Zee derailleur for a while. Works great but the clutch mech is very bulky and prone to impact. Already wrecked 3 of them. Sram works just as well but much less bulky.
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flag rocko6 (Jan 23, 2013 at 4:47)
 why did you compare zee to xt?
they are not on the same technological level. xt has both paralelogram pieces made of aluminium, zee has just one and the other one is stamped steel.
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flag pslide (Jan 23, 2013 at 4:57)
 So is it just me that had a problem getting the right chain length running a 36-11T cassette? The derailler is stretched to the max in the 36T cog and barely any chain tension in the 11T cog. You have to get chain length just right, there is no margin for error. I personally think the cage is too short on the FR (wide range) version.
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flag greenbadger (Jan 23, 2013 at 5:14)
 I agree - snapped mine in half (cage and mech body) up a muddy dartmoor climb running a 1 x 10, 11 to 36 set up. switched to a medium xt which seems loads better - stick to max 34 tooth on freeride zee and reckon it'll be fine,. go to 36 and ur asking for trouble when its sloppy trail time (i.e. 9 months of year in UK!!Wink
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flag casums (Jan 23, 2013 at 3:03)
 THANK YOU SHIMANO I LOVE MY ZEE SHIFTER AND MECH Big Grin Just in time for my first true dh build!!
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flag ktmman143 (Jan 23, 2013 at 5:28)
 I love my zee setup on the DH rig, its super smooth and amazingly quiet. I have it paired with the zee shifter as well. would like to try the brakes out for sure, but now you can find the older xt's for almost nothing.
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flag teamdoa (Jan 23, 2013 at 6:31)
 I love the Zee components but am kind if annoyed how they pressure you into buying 10 speed in order to take advantage of the clutch chain stabilizer. I suppose that is business though!
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flag Treehugger84 (Jan 23, 2013 at 7:25)
 Read Ploutre's thread on this page about 9 spd shifter/10 speed derailleur compatibility. Might be a money-saving option for you
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flag morpheous (Jan 23, 2013 at 11:08)
 I also picked up Zee brakes and Rear Mech this season, they work perfectly well. Solid products, Still wondering why we dont have lightweight reliable IG hubs for MTB yet??
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flag y0davo (Jan 23, 2013 at 2:04)
 Mine tends to bang a lot on the frame. Is this normal? I would much rather a silent ride instead of the super loud banging against the frame.
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flag iamwho (Jan 23, 2013 at 5:30)
 I had this problem to start, but sorted it with a bit of extra back tension,
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flag Treehugger84 (Jan 23, 2013 at 7:27)
 Adjust the clutch. I believe there is a Tech Tuesday about how to do this.
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flag Quebec2010DH Plus (Jan 23, 2013 at 7:45)
 You can adjust the tension by removing the 3 allen screws from the cap, and gaining access to the tensioner.
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flag yellowdogx (Jan 23, 2013 at 8:03)
 Try adjusting the B-tension screw.
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flag Neesh (Jan 28, 2013 at 11:04)
 If I showed u a photo of mine after the first run at hamsterley, took a little knock and the two pivot pins snapped stay away save more and buy a saint
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flag Gavdean (Jan 23, 2013 at 4:51)
 I'm sorry these mechs are shit i went through 2 in 2 days in whistler if you ride a downhill bike don't bother you might as well through your money in the street. And the new 10 speed sram are no better hope they sort out the cable problems i was going through a cable every day.
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flag dualsuspensiondave (Jan 23, 2013 at 14:29)
 Man, what are people doing to break rear mechs?! I've never broken one, and I ride some of the gnarliest trails around.
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flag kathwill (Jan 23, 2013 at 15:08)
 Same experience. Clutch mechanism is very bulky.
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flag louevilcyclist (Jan 23, 2013 at 12:29)
 I can only hope that it works better than the brakes. I've installed two sets on bikes and they feel like mush right out of the box.
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flag THE15 (Jan 15, 2013 at 6:05)
 Can shimano 10 speed rear mech's still be used with shimano 10 speed road cassettes?
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flag The-White-CON (Jan 23, 2013 at 0:13)
 Technically they are not. None of Shimano's mtn stuff is compatible with road stuff however it will work fine I run the M820 Saint with an Ultegra cassette and Ultegra chain and have no issues.
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flag scaphoid (Jan 23, 2013 at 0:15)
 should work fine but you should get the close ratio one
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flag saso (Jan 23, 2013 at 0:18)
 yes. yes and sram 10 speed cassetts
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flag none231 (Jan 23, 2013 at 0:37)
 I'm running Zee rear mech and Zee shifter with Shimano HG94 chain with Shimano Tigra 11-25T all brand new. everything seems to be ok apart when i took my bike in snow on last weekend the chain starts skipping on low gears 8-9-10. when i clean cassette and chain from snow everything was back to normal
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flag yxbix (Jan 23, 2013 at 1:35)
 had it on a test bike with Ultegra 10-speed cassette, worked without trouble. I think, it was the FR specific one, not sure though.
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flag zangolin (Jan 23, 2013 at 3:02)
 Yes - as said above all Shimano 10sp cassettes road or MTB (and Sram for that matter) are the same spacing.
As an extra bit of info - 10sp Shimano road shifters have a different pull ratio so would not work with a 10sp Shimano rear MTB mech and same goes for Shimano 10sp MTB shifters won't work with Shimano 10sp road mechs. Shame really as all the 9sp stuff used to be interchangeable between road and MTB.
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flag WAKIdesigns (Jan 23, 2013 at 1:34)
 To me SLX was the best thing Shimano has ever released, pretty much every songle component of that group has no match when you think of its incredible mixture of: quality/reliability/price/weight/aesthetics. Zee seems to be great as well on that front. I bought a nearly complete XT grouppo and just can't express my disappointment - avoid every single component.

Shimano deserves a big, big credit for Zee and SLX. SRAM might be beating it by a hair on higher groups X0 vs XTR but they have a long way to go with X7 and some parts of X9.
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flag dusse123 Plus (Jan 23, 2013 at 4:05)
 whats wrong with the XT?
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flag WAKIdesigns (Jan 23, 2013 at 4:30)
 I meant the latest XT group. The quality of finish looks really cheap, if there was no XT on it, I would think it is at best Deore. SLX looks way more like a quality product. Then there are issues like crank arms are heavier than SLX. Shifters are almost all from plastic and you can see the internal mechanism from the bottom - Saving on seals or it is better so the water can pour out? Then unlike previous versions, the bar mount lacks possibility to mount them inward or outward. Brakes? That shiny chrome-like plastic reservoir cover, caliper looking like you mounted it wrong way and lever size - good luck to people with big hands. Only good thing is that they are easier to bleed. Stock Organic pads are crap in wet just they've always been.

To sum up, I see not a single quality or functionality positive over SLX (but a tiny little weight saving), no improvement over previous version (save clutch) actualy a step backwards comparing to XT vomponents I owned in the past.

I have the 2012 SLX with shadow+ and it is both solid and great looking, I dare to say it looks better than XTR.
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flag whenlifefailskyledigstrails (Jan 23, 2013 at 4:38)
 SLX is considerably cheaper than XT
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flag dualsuspensiondave (Jan 23, 2013 at 9:15)
 Interesting opinion Waki. To me SLX is completely worthless for an enthusiast that has actually ridden good components. Fit and finish looks good, however it's some of the slowest shifting I've seen. Even with Dri-slide on the cables and a perfect tune, it's awful. So bad in fact that my girlfriend had it on her bike, and I switched it over to X9 and she couldn't be happier. New XT is much faster and much more accurate shifting. The new XT brakes? Incredible power and even some modulation to boot. XT to XTR may not be that much different, however SLX is much different in a negative way in comparison to XT. SLX brakes are not bad for some basic XC which it was intended for though.
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flag WAKIdesigns (Jan 23, 2013 at 10:11)
 Dave I tried every drive train but X5, XX and XX1 as a base for my opinion. Nothing beats 9sp X0-X0 in my opinion, then XTR 950. What went a bit under radar is that when clitch is engaged, shofting gets really sluggish both on Shimano and on Sram.
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flag dualsuspensiondave (Jan 23, 2013 at 14:25)
 Waki, had to prop you on that one... well because someone most likely neg. propped you because you are Waki. Haha. I couldn't agree more, it doesn't get any better than 9 speed XO-XO in my opinion. I'm running Saint cranks and brakes on my DH bike and 9 speed XO-XO (XO from 2008 ), and it shifts amazing never had any troubles. I did ride a DH rig with new Saint der. and shifter at Windrock, TN race#1 this last weekend and it felt nice, but not as good as my old XO. Close, but no cigar. I hear that Saint shifts better in the rough, but I'm not shifting there anyways.
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flag WAKIdesigns (Jan 23, 2013 at 23:46)
 A thing is, my wife hates hard shifts like X0-X0, she likes it to be soft, barely felt, like Shimano from few years back. Same with freehub bodies, Shimano and no else, then brakes - they better make no sound... WOMEN!
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flag OldSkoolAK (Jan 24, 2013 at 9:24)
 I don't notice any sluggishness on my RD-M786 when clutch is engaged. Lever actuation at the shifter is a little heavier, but I prefer this as it feels more positive. Foot feedback re: derailleur action also prefers the clutch on, everything feels just flawless.
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flag WAKIdesigns (Jan 24, 2013 at 13:11)
 I notice on mine, there is a clear difference between clutch on/off, my friend says the same about his SRAM X9 type2. Quite honestly I'd like Shimano to go back to spring tensions from 2000, like XTR 950. Clutch is nice, but cheesy feel stays with softish spring on paraleogram. I love SRAM for hard springs (unless I have to take the wheel off)
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flag axelwadlund (Jan 24, 2013 at 20:04)
 How did they get all those gouges in it? I've had my rear mech for almost a year, fall every once in a while and have never had any damage like that...Hmmm :?
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flag themountain (Jan 24, 2013 at 2:08)
 Uuups...shimano did it again...affortable parts you can actually use for quite a while ! Thanks shimano !
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flag JansonJanson (Jan 24, 2013 at 22:55)
 did some already used a Zee rear mech (fr) with a sram xx 11-36 casette?
works it properly?
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flag Mathhhh (Jan 23, 2013 at 18:01)
 10 speed only? so i cant put it on my 9 speed saint group? wow shimano..wow...
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flag fredsbackcountry (Jan 23, 2013 at 17:35)
 Seems to work really well on a 1x10 ( 11-36 casette) but do you think the cage is to short for a 2x10 (11-36 casette) ?????
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flag RareBit (Jan 23, 2013 at 4:46)
 Running a Zee rear mech on a 2x10 no problems.
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flag Aspean (Jan 23, 2013 at 6:35)
 Could you please describe you setup a little bit more? What cassette, chain rings up front etc.?
I´m very interested, because I´m not sure if I stay with 1x10 and if there is possibility to run 2x10 with Zee mech, that would be awesome.
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flag RareBit (Jan 23, 2013 at 10:21)
 Running 32x24 on the front and 11-36 cassette on the rear. I don't get the last 4 gears (11-12-14-16) when in granny gear.
Well, i do but the mech dosen't add any chain tension as its fully back, and TBH I dont use those gears. On a full sus with 190mm rear travel.
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flag fredsbackcountry (Jan 23, 2013 at 18:03)
 what u think a zee with 11-36 casette and 2x10 24x36 plateau
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flag RareBit (Jan 25, 2013 at 10:38)
 It would work, but you only get a couple of gears when your on the 24t.
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flag taletotell (Jan 23, 2013 at 5:09)
 sounds like it has clutch issues.Still worth it. my x9 doesn't have a clutch and works fine.
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flag SLAG-Clothing (Jan 23, 2013 at 8:09)
 Nice- I got the ZEE brakes they are sooooo good. Can't wait to get the other components!
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flag weezyb (Jan 23, 2013 at 8:43)
 Am I the only one that thinks the name of this groupo is weak? I think shimano did everything right on all of it except the name. WTF is ZEE
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flag vernondan (Jan 23, 2013 at 9:22)
 why are they all of a sudden called mech's instead of derailleurs?
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flag spudlord (Jan 23, 2013 at 14:25)
 Easier to spell?
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flag vernondan (Jan 23, 2013 at 16:01)
 apparently its a Euro thing...
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flag rad1cal (Jan 24, 2013 at 17:58)
 We drink a lot of beer over here so derailleur is a mouth full and a waste of good drinking time, mech is just easier as mechanism is also a waste of valuable drinking time and their is no alternative like 'derail' so..... Cheers me old fruits! Wink
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flag pantkowski (Jan 23, 2013 at 6:21)
 I'm running the short cage version on my Niner EMD XC bike with 1x10 setup and 11-36 cassette. That is really a great mech!
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flag jrocksdh (Jan 23, 2013 at 10:22)
 Its only $25 cheaper than shadow plus.
So for enduro/trail bike..shadow or zee?
2x10
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flag Railgunner (Jan 23, 2013 at 11:35)
 YEAH SHIMANO FIGHT BACK BABY WOOO
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flag dynamatt (Jan 23, 2013 at 0:11)
 Saint light? Or saint, heavy??
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flag nailen (Jan 23, 2013 at 0:27) (Below Threshold) show comment
 bit heavier
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flag Mitch7Yeti (Jan 23, 2013 at 5:20)
 I was hoping to see something on how well the clutch worked.
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flag goodwin1066 (Jan 23, 2013 at 9:41)
 i use the zee with deore xt brakes and shifters, never let me down
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flag Michaeljackson (Jan 23, 2013 at 7:36)
 Im running a zee shifter and derailer on my dhr and love it! Great value
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flag Enduro27 Plus (Jan 23, 2013 at 10:41)
 EVERYONE BUY IT, IT IS THE GREATEST DER EVER!!!!!
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flag robbonzo (Jan 23, 2013 at 0:24)
 Can you use the fr version with 2x10 or is it 1x specific?
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flag drakche (Jan 23, 2013 at 0:50)
 the FR version has 25 capacity. Soo 1x10 (with a MTB cassette) or 2x10 (with a road cassette and two larger chain-rings upfront), but for 2x10 the SLX medium would be the best go. Consider ZEE a SLX shot version, same internals, same price.
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flag aubbietrekrules (Jan 23, 2013 at 17:44)
 A Zee for Mee!
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flag fredsbackcountry (Jan 23, 2013 at 17:36)
 sorry 24x36
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flag kurdish (Jan 23, 2013 at 2:21)
 hope i can fix my zee mech.
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flag kurdish (Jan 23, 2013 at 0:43)
 my clutch's already broken.... what will i do???
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flag Axxe (Jan 23, 2013 at 0:52)
 Replace it.
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flag WAKIdesigns (Jan 23, 2013 at 1:38)
 How did that happen?
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flag kurdish (Jan 23, 2013 at 2:22)
 i really dont know dude. it just dont work anymore. i bought it last September. damn, can these be fixed??
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flag steve-815 (Jan 23, 2013 at 3:01)
 Same happened to one of my mates, think he had to send it back
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flag Axxe (Jan 23, 2013 at 10:39)
 Shimano's clutch can be dialed in (unlike SRAM) for how much resistance you get. And it can be replaced. Just try to tighten it up.
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flag JansonJanson (Jan 24, 2013 at 22:52)
 just open the clutch, and get the tension right
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flag ryantheodore11 (Jan 23, 2013 at 2:00)
 here's my spare have it....
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flag dhstone (Jan 23, 2013 at 9:13)
 Looks great, next time I smash my rear mech, I will get the Zee :-)
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