Thanks to Pinkbike user Jacob Carmichael for sniping this photo in Whistler todayNoted Specialized tester Brad Benedict, a key rider in the development of both the Demo 8 Carbon and the company's recent collaboration with Ohlins, was spotted earlier today doing laps in the Whistler Bike Park aboard a rather interesting looking machine. Brad wasn't keen to either talk about the bike or sit still for a better photo, but it's clear to see that the matte black aluminum bike isn't a Demo as we know it. And while it does bear some obvious similarities to the current Status platform, there are also some differences as well. Brad's right leg is inconveniently (
at least for us, maybe not for Specialized) covering the bike's major suspension components, although it is a pretty safe bet that the prototype employs a very Status-like rocker arm to activate the Ohlins shock, with the shock itself sitting much lower in the frame than the configuration on the current Status. Comparing pivot locations against the current Status also reveals that there are some major differences between the two, and it isn't inconceivable to suspect that the bike's rear end has been designed specifically with the trick Ohlins shock in mind.
| We're always testing and developing different bikes. Some of these are for eventual production, while others allow us to evaluate different concepts. That is exactly what this bike is: a mule for us to assess geometry, frame stiffness, and other attributes. This bike won't ever see production - it isn't a replacement for either the Demo or the Status - but it certainly does serve a purpose. - Sam Benedict, MTB Product Marketing |
Zooming in on the bike's Horst Link, FSR rear end reveals that it appears to be a work in progress, with the stays and clevis pivots looking much rougher than anything we'd expect to see nearing production, which is in line with what Sam Benedict, Specialized's MTB Product Marketing, gave us when questioned about the bike. Having said that, it wouldn't be far fetched to assume that the unlabelled bike under Brad is mule of an evolved Status. Does the prototype feature 650B wheels? It is hard to tell from the photo, but the fork appears to use the standard, 26'' wheel-compatible FOX 40 lowers instead of the 650B lowers that feature an altered axle position to correct the trail geometry. It is no secret that Specialized is experimenting with 'tweener wheels, but they are not on the prototype pictured here.
We'll be covering Crankworx from start to finish, so expect more information as it becomes available at the event.
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interesting...
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I'm sure the pivot locations are different, but the same idea.
and i don't see one...
interesting!!!!
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it's a great looker and i reckon a superb performer
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that would be a huge rocker arm!!!
interesting
@ Bigbossman -> the double seatstays are there, in order to relieve the frame from brake squat!! and they do achieve it...this frame has one of the lowest brake squat percentages in the market...(without floating brakes)
when braking force is exerted, it is translated into force and moment, which leads mainly into rotation of the upper seatstay via the horst link pivot.
this way, the lower seatstay, receives less of this effect, and the shock compresses less (the shock is compressed via the lower seatstay).
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if the bb bracket is concentric, there won't be any chain growth.
the axle path will also not be rearward...the position of the horst link pivot in addition to the concentric bb, will make the axle path very forwardish!!
There will be chain growth. Look at the chainstay. It is shaped like V . The chainstay slopes rearward as it goes back. Since the seatstay doesn't experience very much rotation until the end of its travel, as the suspension is compressed, the V shape will straighten out somewhat, lengthening the distance.
a lot of spy shots
see the photos in mtb-news.de and the frame is exactly like that...
still i got -1 props from some brainless kids
http://members.home.nl/vd.kraats/ligfiets/pa/pa41.html#TypicalHorstLinkDesigns
And trust me, i'm aware of how things work in the suspension of a bike
Just lurking here trying to find any hints whether 2015 Demo will be 26" or a cyclocross bike
Marketing: Ok, let's go to Whistler."
BTW, I don't touch the neg prop button out of principle, so the negs are not from me.
Sometimes it aint as much fun as it sounds. Imagine riding the same run every day, all day for days on end testing variations, and concentrating on giving feedback, rather than enjoying the ride. Still better than pounding nails or sitting at a desk.
Sure, there are a lot of other details, that are just clear to me and wouldn't be as clear to someone not going through an engineering course, but still, the college gives you some general knowledge, while for many things you need to go into the specifics by yourself.
Shity marketing, capitalist, omg-I-need-to-have-the-lastest-shitty-product-even-if-it-is-a-shitty-alu-testing-crap-material philosophy.
Makes me sick.
I wish we had 1/3 of this kind of hype around new trails, bikeparks, new tracks, traillbuilders etc...
Step 2: Gwin miraculously finds his old form on said prototype and cleans house at Worlds.
Step 3: Sell a Sh*t ton of bikes.
granted mild redesign on 2010 for hill demo 8, but it was still the same base demo of the 3 years prior.
interesting to see what happens next year. might hold off buying 2014 job, and wait for 2015.
In order to determine whether the kinematics of a bike like this could make any sense I tinkered with a simulation of the Specialized Status from the public domain web library of bikes that is available with the Linkage program, modifying it to be consistent in form with the linkage in these images. Bottom line is the linkage does work reasonably well - there is an improvement in pedaling neutrality when compared to standard FSR suspension geometry in the first portion of travel without any notable impact on pedal feedback which remains low. In other respects things are fairly similar to standard FSR - suspension is active under braking and anti-squat drops away dramatically in the course of wheel travel. Wheelpath seems alright too.
Overall, the changed pivot positions represent a definite if small gain.
The mountainbiking industry went the wrong way
(Just ask Contour)
Yeah, I guess moto is just selling more units instead of developing LOL.
I guess what I'm getting at, designs will slightly change, but the pricing has to stop climbing, would you pay $16,695 for a showroom stock 2014 CRF450F or any bike give or take a grand?
anyway looks nice and light (y)
And seriously looks like a big hit!!/