Timberline Bike Park (Oregon) - Is It Going to Happen or Not?

Jan 25, 2013
by Timberline  
We've been getting this question a lot lately, and we're stoked to say...It's On. In late November, the Forest Service approved our proposal to build a Gravity Logic-designed bike park at Timberline Lodge. After years of development, this is a major step in the right direction toward the creation of an amazing bike park on Mt. Hood.

The publication of the approval was followed by a 45-day public appeal period that just ended. Unfortunately, two appeals were filed against the project. One appeal was filed by a conglomeration of groups including Friends of Mt. Hood, Bark, Mazamas, Federation of Western Outdoor Clubs, Northwest Environmental Defense Center, and Oregon Chapter of the Sierra Club. The other appeal was filed by an individual: Lori Ann Burd, Esq.

This is the draft trail plan for the upcoming Timberline Bike Park.

The Forest Service must respond to these appeals by the end of February, at which point we will know if any changes to the project will be necessary. Our hope is that they are able to defend the work they have done to reach their "Finding of no Significant Impact" and overturn the appeals that have been filed. We feel really good about our entire approach to the project so far and feel that we are looking out for the best interests of the community, our business, and the future of Timberline Lodge. For now, we get to wait and see.

In the meantime, we're getting everything in order to begin building this summer. We're ready to dig and build 7-days a week as soon as the ground is ready and complete 2/3 of the planned trail network before the snow flies. Builders are being contacted, and we've already assembled a team of amazing talent that will represent the different build styles found around the Pacific Northwest.

Thanks for all of the support you've given this project so far. Thousands of letters poured in to us, and the Forest Service, supporting this project and all of the benefits it will bring to the area including better recreation opportunities, economic stimulus, job creation, and a professionally designed and maintained downhill mountain bike area. We couldn't be more stoked on all of the positive energy!

We'll be posting updates to pink bike, our web site, and our soon-to-be-created Facebook page as we head into the summer.

To view the US Forest Service Decision Notice and "Finding of no Significant Impact", click here.

To learn more about the project, visit our web site at: www.timberlinelodge.com/mountainbiking

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119 Comments
  • 60 1
 Environmental groups are notorious for this kind of thing. I'm an enviro attorney and see this kind of thing all the time. But, with decent counsel Timberline BP should be able to address the appeals. I'm certainly an environmentalist, but it baffles me that having a few bike trails on Mt. Hood would even cause the enviros to take notice, but they do. It's truly a waste of energy on their part, when they could be focusing on much, much, much more pressing environmental issues. It just goes to show you - personal interest and koo-koos are everywhere. And please, don't send disparaging e-mails to the appellants - it just give them ammo. Instead, ask TBP how you can lend support.
  • 3 1
 They're piggie backing on the environmental issue as a part of their strategy. Their real issue is commercialization and development creep. In the end they'll just end up looking like untrustworthy protectors. There are a ton of other mountains they could try to protect from development, unfortunately they just happen to live next to Mt Hood...
  • 20 0
 My favorite part is where the hikers think that they're the only ones who should use the trails... Well built trails are less harmfull to the environment then all the switch-back cutting hikers that are already up there. I'm an avid outdorrsman of every kind, but I refuse to be part of the "hiking elite" bastards that cause these problems.
  • 2 0
 It is not likely that this will get built this year. The appeal is the necessary first step to litigation, which could take a number of years. From what I gather after reading the enviro docs, the mitigation for wildlife (somebody could smash into a bull elk at 930 in the morning, afternoon is less likely but still possible. Bad for the elk worse for the rider), erosion (the trail design is only as good as the maintenance plan) and traffic (managing traffic like the busy season is not the same as mitigating for increased traffic during the slow season) are weak. If they can negotiate with the groups and make some changes, they may get things done this year, but it will be a stretch. The project is approved, so it is not likely that the groups can stop the project, although they can delay for years and years until it no longer makes economic sense to build it because in 2020 everyone thinks it super cool to be a roadie. So it would be better to work with the groups and make a good compromise so they drop the appeal. Pay more money for better mitigation, or pay more money for litigation. But with litigation comes large delays, and hurt feelings.
  • 5 2
 Organizations need to develope a set of balls and say, " your appeals are bullshit and lack any merrit" and just go on with the project. This time wasting business of filing a nonsense appeal just because you dont like something should be dealt with accordingly. Set up a panel and decide if the appeal is worthy. Then act upon it. Maybe pinkbike fans should file some appeals on their projects??
  • 3 0
 I'm starting to realize that people behind many movements are WAY MORE concerned with how their actions boost their ego than what PRACTICAL improvements that they're supposedly making. Economics and what change we get per dollar spent is the big issue in modern and future environmentalism attempts... but nooo.. these people find it more fulfilling to their ego to find out who is doing what and how they can get in their way. I just wish these people could feel better about themselves through some other means that doesn't @#$%ing with other people.. like running a marathon or losing weight.

BTW, great post, kochjg!
  • 3 0
 ...Marshall?
  • 2 0
 wow this has to be about the most riveting and intelligent comment string ive seen in a while. much better than the usual negative proping argumentative banter i see on most posts.
  • 2 0
 It's the complete lack of 14 year olds in the mix Wink
  • 4 0
 I'm sure the Forest Service and Mt Hood will pursue a few strategies, one being whether they can reach a deal that everyone can live with instead of encouraging litigation, but at the same time (and I haven't read the papers so take it or leave it), it's the government that has to respond to the appeal and they will likely stand by their approval if they have a meritorious case (it's hard to reverse the government - agency deference blah blah). It sounds like the Forest Service has the far better case. In a vacuum I understand the concern about traffic, erosion and development creep, but this is Mt. Friggin Hood - a huge ski resort, replete with all of the condos and development, roads, erosion management, etc. that is already there. I'd argue this situation is closer to urban redevelopment than "greenfields" development. Instead of developing trails in "pristine wilderness," they will be built in an already developed designated recreational area. Hard to see the down side!
  • 1 0
 Spot on Koch... Timberline is in a really interesting position because they operate ON Federal land... they've already got quite lengthy lend/lease agreement as it is.
  • 35 0
 Time to not renew my Sierra Club membership.
  • 7 1
 It's unfortunate that environmental groups such as these give the whole lot a bad name, I mean, come on, we're talking about a form of bicycle riding here! But it's important to remember alot of the groups do good work to preserve what is essentially the foundation of our sport and even our lives. If we ignore the environment it will go away...and us with it.
  • 4 3
 Why would you ever join in the first place, Sierra club played a big role in unjustly demonizing mountain biking. Most of these "environmentalism" movements are now untrustworthy clubs for misanthropic types. This is not healthy skeptical misanthropy, but a raging hate sublimated into something socially acceptable. When you foster feelings like that it ends up producing a personality like Mike Vandeman's. It's why they're willing to goto the end of the earth to save an elk. It has nothing todo with the elk/fungus/dirt and it's a shame our sport gets caught up in it. Ideology wise I always like to think of mountain bikers as striking some sort of middle ground.

I've seen two trail systems disappear in an day or two under a bulldozer blade when the powerful players showed up. These groups need to cut out squabbling over the bullshit. Bicycles aren't bulldozers!
  • 19 0
 Sounds like a trip to the gold old usa is coming up
  • 8 4
 what are they thinking?!?!?!? this is sweet! dont get me wrong but c'mon put a lift in at black rock!! that would be whistler of the northwest no joke.
  • 5 1
 ^ agreed if it happens everyone will be riding there including myself on opening day. trails look legit Smile
  • 7 1
 Blackrock would be impossible to put a lift in, however, would be cool if there was a shuttle service!
  • 7 2
 Yeah... please DON'T put a lift in a BR... it's already bad enough on a busy day... and there's simply NO way to ever do it without destroying the place. Post-Canyon has WAY more elevation and room (funny how forgotten it's been lately... Still some of the best trails in the world up there and SO close to Syncline)
  • 7 9
 black rock is the last place deserving of a lift in the state of Oregon. Know your state, you've got better options.
  • 5 1
 they should just beef up Bend and put a lift on Bachelor
  • 7 0
 trails* on bachelor... that was incredibly stupid
  • 4 1
 Straight up. Bachelor needs it. I miss Bend.
  • 1 0
 NEED IT!
  • 6 1
 What is better than Blackrock in Oregon? Don't say Post Canyon because I've been there and to Blackrock and there is no contest.
  • 2 0
 I agree @tetonlarry. I agree.
  • 3 0
 I broke my back on the hip after the FMX jumps 3 years ago which soured me on Post Canyon. It's jenky compared to Blackrock and lacks flow. At Blackrock it's really easy to go the right speed, and you find yourself hitting jumps you never thought you would be able to in a short amount of time. At Post Canyon, you really need to inspect all the hits, take a few runs to gauge your speed, then hopefully hit it right.
  • 5 1
 PC is awesome, BR is awesome (but shouldn't have a lift, can you imagine trying to put in that kind of an operation down that road and through town?!?!?!?!) OR is awesome... Wait, I mean..., nevermind, it sucks here, let's stop talking about how great Oregon is cause it's terrible and nobody should want to move here. yeah, I'm like that Wink


BR has the Best BUILT trails, but IMO Mt. Hood has the best terrain (I love BR, but the runs are short for the ride up)... The Glade trail is magical and IMO you haven't lived till you get a sunny day and some friends and just go explore the MHNF... I've dug in nearly every trail network in the state (either as a Wildland Firefighter or just to dig to ride) and honestly PC is NOT janky. The GFRA did SO much for riding in this state and sadly it's fallen out of vouge to ride all the crazy shore stunts they worked so hard t build. I TOTALY agree that the flow is off, but that's because it was never built around todays style, it was built in the "shore days" and that's how it flows (it's also WAY steep). There are still some of my favorite hits in the state at PC, but yes, it needs a revamping (although I'm STILL trying to clear the rats nest that you come to at the base of GP (i think) ) But Drop Zone into the Creek section is SO much fun aye...

I hate to say it, but the biggest hold-back about PC is the way some of the Moto riders have taken to dealing with Mtn. Bikers in "their" playground. I worked at St. V's with a Doc. who's back yard is PC and it's crazy to hear what it's like to live on top of that scene... It's a bloody riders dream aye, but it's nuts to hear the stories. reminds me of trying to surf the point at Seaside in the early 90's...
  • 1 0
 @tetonlarry: you make a REALLY good point abut PC's speed too... I remember the first time I hit that big kicker on the left side of the trail (below GP, before the crazy skinnies I mentioned above) and I though "I'll NEVER clear that" so I gave it the old brapp....... and I landed so deep into the flats I blew my rear-tire hahahaha. DEF. doesn't have the "make you look like a pro" flow like BR, but it's nice to have some different terrain. Fow is fun, but I still love skinnies and drops.
  • 2 0
 I agree that a lift or shuttle would be bad for Blackrock. The trails there are in such amazing shape because of the dedicated builders that build more than ride. Also, not having a shuttle or lift keeps the brake bumps away, and cuts down on the gaper plague .
  • 4 0
 Yep... there's something REALLY col to me about how kind of "hidden" BR is (or WAS before all the publicity) and how it's such a respectfull area to ride in. I love how it feel like you;re driving into someone's driveway as you leave town then pop onto the gravel. First time I went, I thought we were lost till we got to the lot.

I was saying awhile ago in the "women riding" story that I never hear anyone bagging on beginners or female riders and the ones who do get asked to leave rather quickly. BR is like a state treasure and we've been REALLY lucky to have a lot of respect shown to not only the area, but the non-riders (aka land owners) who have allowed it to exist. The trails have AMAZING flow. I just thin that PC sould have as much or more going for it if the re-vamped it, and having Syncline right across the river is amazing (that trail is one of the best "non-built" trails ever).
  • 3 0
 www.hrats.org for Post Canyon info
  • 2 0
 BR doesn't need shuttle or a lift system. The hike up weeds out a lot of the people that would otherwise disrespect the place and ruin it. The build crew who also maintain it would not be able to keep up on upkeep if it got that much traffic and the place would be destroyed in a few weeks. Not to mention fragile relationships with land owners that can be ruined in the blink of an eye. I ride up there constantly, help build and joined the BRMBA, and i'm all for leaving it the way it is.
  • 9 1
 Who is this "Lori Ann Burd, Esq."? I would love to poop in a paper bag then light it on fire on her doorstep.....Every day until she gives up being a "edited for language"!

Anyone with Esq. at the end of their name sucks.
  • 2 2
 abaseer20fm.conferencespot.org/76_Burd

Environmental attorney. Esquire usually means lawyer...
  • 2 0
 That's funny, cause there are plenty of esquires who defend our riding as well. Personally, I don't think they suck.
  • 2 0
 Yeah well, you won't find me hanging out with anyone using Esquire at the end of their name. "Esquire (abbreviated Esq) is a term of West European origin. It is a title of respect previously accorded to men of higher social rank."-Wikepedia. If someone thinks it is necessary to add a title at the end of their name that basically means they think they have a higher social rank than someone else they are not very cool now are they? Funny right?

Never met an Esquire in person, but I think the first time I do I'll punch them in the face.
  • 1 0
 I thought it just meant you had a nice watch...then go on a commercial witha bunch of other dickwad's saying " Esquire..."
  • 3 0
 "One appeal was filed by a conglomeration of groups including Friends of Mt. Hood, Bark, Mazamas, Federation of Western Outdoor Clubs, Northwest Environmental Defense Center, and Oregon Chapter of the Sierra Club."
Over the years I have noticed the people that belong to these type of groups care more about their personal (selfish) agenda than the environment. Gravity Logic builds sustainable trails and the resort would maintain them - whats the problem?
I think the problem is certain members of these groups do not want anymore people in their way while they recreate up there. Instead of coming out and saying just that they hide behind the "protect the environment" banner.
  • 6 0
 yessssss!!!!! so excited for this to come to fruition.
  • 4 0
 It's about time Oregon get's a real lift access bike park! Skibowl can off and die now that both Timberline & Mt. Bachelor (potentially) are building bike parks.
  • 3 0
 And im hoping for bachelor because i live right next to it haha
  • 3 1
 As a former Timberline employee and a long time Mtn. Rat (I lived the Govvy life for a number of years), I'm excited to see this possibility... BUT, they've been talking about it for over TEN YEARS (first time I heard about it around the campfire/from the Konstams). Biggest issue is they're opperating on government land and that makes all kinds of extra hurdles. As it is, there's already amazing shuttle access and MILEs of DH/AM trails from the lot down to Zig-Zag. While I'd love to see a park at Timberline, I won't loose it if there isn't one... I'm already sick of all the gapers we have on the trails now that everyone wants to coome to Oregon. It sucks, stay away, no need to come here....
  • 1 0
 Oh yeah and RIP Flood-o and KY...
  • 1 0
 Building lift serviced trails will pull most of the gapers away from your shuttle trails. The key to a successful bike park is to have a huge separation in trail difficulty between the green trails and the black trails. Make the black trails hard as hell and give the gapers some easy trail options.
  • 1 0
 I will be interested to see how this will impact the Summer Season of ski and snowboard camps at Timberline, as well as the bus loads of tourists. The parking lot is way too small and the facilities can barely keep up as is. Don't get me wrong, I would love to see this happen, and I have a long history of working there, so I am not talking down about this project in any way. I just have a hard time seeing the current infrastructure supporting the amounts of visitation this will create. However, with guys like Brian Red at the helm, and of course the local "prophet of awesome" Steve Kruse, I have hope.
  • 2 0
 That's REALLY good point.. Timberline actually makes the majority of it's money being the number one summer riding area for every pro on the snow... This wouldn't really effect it because it's not like they're gonna remove the snow-field to put a park in, what it WOULD do, is make Tiberline roud clogged 365 days a year and stress the lodge/staff.
  • 2 0
 @The-Medic.. Who is this?? If you know KY, we know each other for sure! I have to know who is this is!
  • 4 3
 You guys are hilarious: "GET OFF MY WAVE, BRO."

Personally, I can't wait to come up, shred HCSC, give my truck keys to someone at the end of that session and then DH for the rest of the afternoon until I decide to ride back to town ON TRAIL then mow a Cobra Dog like it was my last prison meal. It's paradise & good for Govy's economic situation. You guys can always go shuttle Dog River & complain about windsurfers if it's all too much for you, right?
  • 1 0
 Dave King... I used to live with Andy Kreipe and was good buddies with Sosa and the rest of the Mtn. Shop crew. I worked for Dick Inman back in the day. Who is this??? I'm dying to know now too hahahahahaha
  • 1 0
 Grant Ingram, I worked for Dick and Brad in the Rental Shop and was on Ski Patrol with Tripp for years. Funny, I know Kreipe and Sosa very well. Crazy..
  • 3 0
 Now get real Tim. We are simply kidding. So ease up on the seriousness already...good lord man.
  • 2 0
 Man, the internet sucks for sarcasm... Sorry guys, just kidding around myself!
  • 1 0
 Govvy's economy is FINE... look at how cracked out it is now with Windells and all the rest of the summer raucous... Nothing like having Peter Line burn down your car cause "that's what you get"... (guess you had to be there). AS someone who's LIVED in Govvy for a number of years (hell I've lived everywhere from Summertime -the Ivy Bear- to the Scummits, and still own property on Mtn Aire.) I can tell you that there is ZERO need to further expand Govvy. Not only that, but its pretty much impossible to do so seeing as all the land around it is national forest, all that will happen is that it'll fill up with flat-landers and the rest of us will just have to stand in line all day or get stuck in traffic waiting to get to where we're going... Collins lake is bad enough.
  • 1 0
 In all seriousness: I wonder if the business owners and employers in Govy think more visitors are a bad idea? I can't think of a single time I have ever had to stand in line, (except for a Cobra Dog at prime time) or wait for a really long time to do anything or get anywhere there and I've been a regular visitor summer & winter for at least 10 years now. If you want to put waiting into perspective try going from Wilsonville to Lombard on I-5 at 5pm on a weekday or try to get a Voodoo doughnut at 2am when the bars close...

I appreciate your viewpoint though. I just can't see why you'd advocate against the bike park if you're a mountain biker that's already shuttling the trails there.

Props on the Peter Line reference. I wasn't there for that debauchery but it's the stuff of legend. Sorry about your car though! You have to admit: in a lot of ways the town has gotten a lot more civilized in the summertime than is used to be.
  • 1 0
 "Man, the internet sucks for sarcasm... Sorry guys, just kidding around myself!"

I feel you man, sorry if I mistook your meaning and if you felt like I was jumping down your throat. NOT my intention.

Wasn't my Car PL burned, it was a relly good girl-friends, but that's really funny that you know the story... I think that part of that night is on a Mac Dog vid from that year (can't remember the name, but it was in the "Forum days")

FWIW, I'm NOT against a park at all, I'm just not gonna be torn up if for some reason it doesn't happen as it won't really change how accessible the Mtn. is. It would be SWEET to have one up there, but Ski-Bowl already has a park of sorts, and it's got it's ups and downs. I'm just saying that there are positives and negatives to having a park up at T-Line and in the end, IF it doesn't happen, we're not any worse off then we are now. I see Govvy as being a major limiting factor for the concept though. If they did it, I can see the cable car coming back, but what I'm NOT looking forward to is high-rise condo's in Govvy cause you can't really built OUT around there, just up. Collins lake basically took all the land that was open, and I'd hate to see cabins torn down to make a bunch of yuppy boxes for tourists go up aye. I've got a LOT of history in that littel village and I guess I'm just worried about the possible problems it could cause.
  • 1 0
 I feel you man. I moved to Seattle for work but I always said that if the T-Line bike park became a reality I'd buy one of those condos in a heartbeat. Then again, I'm broke so probably not!
  • 1 0
 HAHAHAHA yeah, they're SPENDY... Our friends got married up at T-line like 2 years ago (an absolutely AMAZING wedding/weekend) and we stayed at Colins Lake... it's pretty nice in there, but it's just so WIERD to me to have that kind of a deal in Govvy... I'm just so used to the sleepy little village. The Ratskellr is like a whole different world from back when I used to play open mic nights every week. "Things sure have changed here on this mountain" Wink
  • 2 0
 With this and several other amazing legal riding areas within 2 hours driving. We will live in one of the best riding areas in the US. With year around epic riding opportunities!
  • 3 0
 always amazes me that these groups don't realize they're pissing off a whole bunch of people who would otherwise be allies on other major issues.
  • 1 0
 Yeah... it's not like people are gonna STOP riding on the Mountain so if they were REALLY concerned with the good of the area (instead of just being selfish and trying to keep others out) then you;d think they'd want to work WITH the other users to make it better for ALL parties involved... THis kind of action shows me that it's more about them wanting to villify Mtn. bikers rather then make the trails better for users. What about all the horse riders who use the trail???
  • 1 0
 The conservation movement (specifically Sierra Club) is a prime examples of how to alienate potential supporters from user groups that should support the majority of of their goals. A great vid by Brady Robinson at the Boulder TedX conference that discusses how the conservation movement NEEDS recreation! vimeo.com/57179265
  • 3 0
 Fuck yeah! finally a fat park in Oregon. that place will do so good due to all the closet downhillers in oregon.
  • 4 1
 Already had a plan to move to Oregon within the next year or so, this just got me so stoked to hurry up and get over there.
  • 3 2
 Sorry, we're full up, best stay where you are...
  • 3 2
 Amen, don't come to Oregon. It rains too much for you.
  • 2 0
 Hahaha but Massachusetts is so boring! The pilgrims clearly didn't have shredding in mind when they decided to come here.
  • 4 2
 SHOW ME THE PHOTO OF PHIL WEIRING THAT YOU USED IN THE COVER PHOTO!! THAT NEVER BEFORE SEEN PHIL WEIRING PHOTO MUST SEE THE LIGHT OF DAY!!!
  • 1 0
 Mmmmm Phil Weiring!
  • 2 0
 EARTH RAPER
  • 1 0
 Phil is king.
  • 3 0
 Stoked for this! the legend on the map is kind of pointless though, as if we can't tell what color they are?
  • 2 0
 I am sick and tired of the pancy bitches in the Sierra Club. They've done more harm than good for the environment especially in the NW.
  • 1 0
 I am nowhere near you guys, but as a rider and a member of my local trail advisory council, and have been up against close minded wrench throwers......I wish you all the best of luck for success !!
  • 1 0
 Funny the sierra club puts hiking trails everywhere! but as soon as u put in a bike trail its.OH NO ! what ever shall we do?!? I Bet if all these trails would be for hiking they would be totally fine with it!
  • 1 0
 Oh and the DNR wow they sell out entire forests to be clear cut ! now they suddenly care about a few small trails in the woods. probably cause now they won't be able to sell it to logging companies!
  • 1 0
 Building bike parks on ski areas is the future.
If you believe in climate change.

www.nytimes.com/2012/12/13/us/climate-change-threatens-ski-industrys-livelihood.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
  • 4 1
 Man I hope so- that place needs a good DH scene.
  • 1 0
 No shit, real dh in Oregon would be cool, fun xc/am trails but has sick potential for dh
  • 4 1
 Im going to Oregon State College now.
  • 5 5
 That's Oregon State UNIVERSITY. Get it right. Not to be confused with those dirtbags in Eugene..
  • 1 0
 no need to hate if they ride bikes they are cool with me
  • 3 1
 It's a rivalry of schools and I am obviously for one and not the other. I am not hating, just proving a point that those barefoot, earth muffins are not to be trusted.
  • 2 0
 everyones forgetting about the dopest bike park in the world thats also in oregon..... willamette pass! haha.
  • 2 0
 Sounds like some hikers are getting their panties in a bunch. Hope it happens though.
  • 1 0
 I think its easier to move mountains than close minded people. Sometimes I feel the only good use for a bureaucrat is filling in a hole. Best of luck.
  • 2 0
 you guys are so lucky we dont even have 1 bike park and what ever we build get torn down Frown
  • 2 0
 I want to move country Frown
  • 1 0
 I worked for me! Much better mountains in California than in Bristol thats for sure!
  • 1 0
 Same, he he.
  • 7 0
 You don't want to come here trust me. We're all trying to figure out how to legally move to Canada!
  • 3 0
 so stoked can't wait!
  • 3 0
 Washington riders Big Grin
  • 1 0
 MAkes me sad to say I once supported Bark's initiative to Nestle from building a water bottling plant in Hood River.
  • 1 0
 you guys are so lucky we dont even have 1 bike park and what ever we build gets torn down Frown
  • 1 0
 The Sierra Club, the DNR and any lonely unhappy wench with Esq at the end of their name. Thats the real enemy.
  • 2 0
 I'll believe it when I ride it. Damn land nazis!
  • 2 0
 MOARR!!
  • 1 0
 More trails, more lift access Mo Better..
  • 2 0
 Ride mo!
  • 1 0
 the sierra club should go stick an am stem up its a55!
  • 1 0
 HELL YEAH, OREGONNNNNNNNNNN!!!!
  • 1 0
 if only they made a good bike park in alberta :/
  • 1 0
 You need a mountain to put the bike park on
  • 2 0
 oh, lazy boys...
  • 1 1
 YESSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!! CAN NOT WAIT! Looks like I'm Moving to Gov't Camp.
  • 2 0
 THE SNOW NEVER MELTS
  • 1 1
 What do you mean? Are you wanting to ride on Palmer? The snow melts. Kinda like your brain.
  • 1 0
 Finally, something in the USA worth seeing?!
  • 2 1
 Dude I'm so happy!
  • 1 2
 Ski Bowl on Mt. Hood has had lift assisted mountain biking for years. Just saying!
  • 1 0
 If you knew what I know about those lifts you'd never go there again...
  • 3 0
 Yup, and it sucks, unless its race weekend and the pro course is open
  • 1 0
 Skibowl does have a great racing history, they have been racing DH there since the early 90's. They had a norba race there, the gorge games, alot of great racers raced there. Last time I was there the pro DH course was BRUTAL.
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