Unsanctioned Races - For Amateurs Only?

Mar 13, 2013 at 0:08
Mar 13, 2013
by Mike Kazimer  
 
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A recent article in the Denver Post has brought mainstream media attention to an issue that first arose last fall, when word began to spread that USA Cycling, the governing body of competitive cycling in the United States, would be enforcing UCI rule 1.2.019, which reads,
bigquotesNo licence holder may participate in an event that has not been included on a national, continental or world calendar or that has not been recognised by a national federation, a continental confederation or the UCI.[/Quoten] The punishment for breaking this rule? According to section 1.2.021, [Quoten]Breaches of articles 1.2.019 or 1.2.020 shall render the licence holder liable to one month's suspension and a fine of CHF 50 to 100.

What does this mean in plain English? Say you're a professional cyclist with a month or two of down time before the race season really gets going. To maintain fitness, you enter a small local race in your hometown. No big deal, right? It's just a little race, and the fans all seem excited to have a big name pro show up at their humble event. Well, by the logic of USA Cycling, if the race is not sanctioned by them or the UCI, then you're in violation of rule 1.2.019 and subject to a one month suspension and a fine. Now, while the fine itself is fairly minimal, serving a month long suspension during race season is not a trivial matter, especially for a professional cyclist. This isn't a new rule, but until recently it had not been enforced. In fact, if USA Cycling wanted, they could make it so they wouldn't need to enforce the rule at all. The next line of UCI rule 1.2.019 says, “A national federation may grant special exceptions for races or particular events run in its own country.” It wouldn't be hard for USA Cycling to issue a ruling that says professionals can compete in unsanctioned events, thereby avoiding this whole issue, and the associated bad taste it leaves in everyone's mouth.

Giant s Josh Carlson Newbury Park CA has been tearing up the Enduro Series this year along with everyone s Strava times . This race he placed 3rd in the Pro Men s category right behind Adam Craig and Aaron Bradford.

Josh Carlson rides for the Giant Factory Off-Road Team, yet does not appear on an official UCI team roster, allowing him to race unsanctioned events.


There does seem to be a workaround to the ruling, one that several teams have taken advantage of. In an interview with Cyclingnews, USA Cycling Director of Communications Bill Kellick said, “It is important to note that the only riders that are affected are riders that have registered with the UCI on a UCI team. This does not affect mountain bike pro riders who are NOT on UCI-registered teams." For that reason, several teams have modified their roster to give athletes more flexibility in the events they participate in. For example, Adam Craig, Josh Carlson, Carl Decker and Kelli Emmit all ride for the Giant Factory Off-Road team, while Jeremy Horgan-Kobelski and Heather Irmiger ride for Trek, yet none of these individuals appear on the official UCI team roster. This allows them to participate in enduro races or other events that may not be sanctioned by the UCI. However, riders on a UCI team are still not allowed to compete in unsanctioned races. Do you dream of having Aaron Gwin or Neko Mullaly show up at your local downhill or enduro race? If it's not sanctioned by the UCI or USA Cycling, that's not going to happen.

Racing and stuff I m usually pinned in the tech parts of the trail but the damn wall

Wanna race? If you're on a UCI team, make sure it's sanctioned, or risk a month long suspension


Grassroots racing has always been a part of mountain biking, and should be allowed to flourish, not stifled with unnecessary rules. It's good for the sport if professional cyclists are allowed to show up at unsanctioned races - amateurs get to mingle with their heroes, and draw inspiration from the riding skills they are sure to witness during a race. It's not as if riders are suddenly going to abandon the entire World Cup circuit to race unsanctioned races – there's not enough media coverage or prize money to make this a worthwhile endeavor. By punishing racers for doing their job – racing – USA Cycling ends up looking foolish, like a jilted lover crashing a wedding. One of USA Cycling's stated goals is to grow competitive cycling in America – enforcing rule 1.2.019 is not the way to accomplish this.

-Mike Kazimer
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228 Comments

  • + 300
 What happened to it all being about the riding and going out and having fun on your bike. Absolute madness!!!!
  • + 102
 Politics got involved.
  • + 42
 but the politics have no logic, rules are there to make sure that nobody can have a unfair advantage, so peaty racing in his steel city race gives him an advantage over the rest of the world cup brigade somehow????

i cant see a reason that this would be benificial to anybody or indeed the sport as a whole, as far as i can tell someone at the uci was sitting at their desk boored and needed to make it look like they were actually doing something so started adding rules for the hell of it!!
  • + 15
 Unfortunately the people with the higher pay check than us who make the rules don’t use logic, but you are most probably right, someone sat twiddling there thumbs, think of ways to look like they are doing work.
  • + 27
 Every year the UCI gets worse.
This annoys me more then rock shox new vivid pro only rule.
Did all these big names just decide to start acting like nazis all at the same time?
  • + 45
 We need a separate governing body for mtb, one that is run by mtbr's ! Cycling is NOT mtbing .
  • + 7
 Not UCI dude (for once). Cycling USA.
  • + 26
 It must be April 1st already
  • + 6
 Politics aren't logical ALOT of the time unfortunately and its too bad that its got the trickle down effect into mountain biking. I can say from personal experience, that I am MORE than happy to have not given into ANY of the pressures that have been put on us to conform. I'm part of a grassroots mountain bike park, and we have gotten it from all sides, everybody wants a piece of the pie or to tell us how to do what they want and it all comes down to money. The thing is though, when you take money out of the equation, they got nothing, they have no clout, no pull, no way to "convince" us that we need to be a part of their organization. If it weren't for the grassroots efforts of so many people, none of these organizations would even exist!!! Screw em, we don't need em, heres to private and unsanctioned races!!
  • + 11
 WHAT ABOUT CRANKWORX? WILL STEVE SMITH BE BACK TO DEFEND HIS TRIPLE CROWN?
  • - 4
 HOW ABOUT GEE AT THE RAMPAGE? WTF?!?!?!?!
  • + 8
 Rampage isn't a race, and Crankworx events are sanctionned by the Canadian Cycling Association and by extension the UCI
  • + 8
 UCI rule does not specifically say race...just "event"
  • + 4
 I'm pretty sure that this won't affect anybody who doesn't hold a US cycling license, so even if Crankworx wasn't cancelled, it wouldn't have an effect on a CANADIAN rider...
  • + 47
 did some roadie get upset that racer "X" showed up at their wednesday night worlds held at a carpark and so lost out on a beer prime and braggin rights?
  • + 1
 revolution, where are you?
  • + 4
 i didn't relies that the British government were in charge in USA cycling, what happened to just ridding to have fun, pros mingling at a local level is great for the sport, riders get to meet their heros and dont look like someone who's too important for the local scene now their pro
  • + 5
 This is not only for USA Cycling...this applies to all the world....say, I have a race down here in Costa Rica, UCI Rules are not meant for one single country...and this is not USA Cycling rule either, this is our global governing body, hence, you will need to have your federation approval to come here to race, or viceversa, hence, if the race is not sanctioned, the federation more than likely will revoke you the approval to race there....
  • - 1
 UCI should start a cycling license like cars.
  • + 4
 could very well be a poor effort at doping control for licensed UCI pros. no sanction. no controls (which i think we all know to be a joke). just another strategic and transparent marketing move by a governing body trying to do damage control for the joke they call clean road racing under their umbrella. when you have one brand to choose from your're kinda phucd as a consumer.
  • + 12
 Goddammit USA Cycling is the worst. I dare them to send me another survey!!!
  • + 2
 Some of you get it, some of you don't. THE RULE IS BEING ENFORCED BY CYCLING USA, not uci. Although I agree uci sucks.
  • + 3
 It is a UCI rule that is being enforced by cycling USA though.
  • + 1
 The entire rule doesn't even seem morally correct. How can "cyclists" think of these "rules"? I can think of one million analogies but it's no use typing them out.
  • + 9
 This is just a way for the UCI or USAC to quell any competition.

They don't actually care about people competing in local fun races... but what they do care about is competition. They do not want another organization popping up that would compete with UCI... so they basically tell their riders "you're either with us, or with them". People watch races for the riders in them... races aren't as exciting without the best riders, and as of right now, the best riders are with the UCI (or many of them are).


Other sports do the same thing... NHL players can't go play in the CHL (at the same time) and shit like that. The rule is really dumb in either case.

If anything the rule should be "If you are a registered member of the UCI, you are not allowed to race in an unsanctioned event if it overlaps with an official UCI event (that's in your category)".

It's still kind of a dick move, but it's at least somewhat better.
  • + 2
 So whats to have people just enter the race under a different name and the only people this really hurts are kids who look up to pros and being able to run the same course as the pros run. Real nice.
  • + 3
 I hope this doesn't apply for spain, I live close to a small bikepark and like to see cedric come down to some of 'em
But on the other hand, this rule is complete sh*t because not everyone fan go to crankworx or colorado freeride festival to see their idols but last year cedric gracia came in october to a event nearby and I think it's great and putting a ban on that seems stupid...
  • + 2
 its time for rider's to wake up and start are own thing UCI has f.... us to long,with out rider's there is no sport,do not for get why you ride,its not the money is it or is it thrill of the ride just think back when first hit that gap in your back yard.
  • + 1
 This was on the front page a few months back, I think. UCI came right out and said that, to paraphrase, "We invested money in making Gwin, Minaar, Atherton, Atherton, etc. famous, and so to some extent we own their fame. It can't be 'given' to non-UCI promoters or events who haven't chipped in like we have." Pretty F'd argument.
  • + 1
 Did anyone else just relize how little they know about racing federations and what not...... Cuz I just did
  • + 2
 Barry Wicks (Kona) breaks it down for us... and basically tells USA Cycling to suck it.
  • + 2
 I just go shred....
  • + 1
 I guess the UCI and its little pet USA cycling dont want any competition !!!
  • + 1
 I think UCI is also worried about riders injuring themselves and therefore not being able to compete in UCI events, which could impact their revenue. It's all about the money. Fucking stupid.
  • + 2
 ASS HOLES! I ride with plenty of pros, and these BITCHES are saying I can't race with them. Hell, my boss is a pro!
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  • + 125
 Is this to try to stop them from competing in things like DH1, Enduro World Series and other events that go against the UCI to try to stop them getting a foothold?
  • + 41
 someone could ave a point here^^^
  • + 41
 Gah, the UCI needs a slap.
  • + 49
 pretty obvious that's the plan. UCI are a bunch of greedy roadies and hikers.
  • + 5
 You got it.
  • - 8
 I think this is more to do with making sure all of the races are run with the same rules and regulations. If someone decided to have an unsanctioned bike race with HUGE prize money, a lot of top pros would come out to play. But if the organiser does not comply with UCI rules, say he does not drug test, this would be an unfair advantage would you not say?

Dont forget that DH is only a small part of the UCI. Road cycling has a lot of pro circuits and a lot more than 7 races, there 's the pro tour, the continental pro tour, the world tour and a lot of single day classics. Rules and regulations apply to everyone.
  • + 4
 So what if they do race somewhere for huge money, any rule differences will only affect that race and everyone racing in it is in the same boat. If theres a drug issue any respectable pro will stay away anyway thus rendering it of less value so the organiser is likely to enforce testing instead of allowing this to happen. cycling is all about freedom, you ride where you choose when you choose. Pro's obviously have to do whatever they are paid to do but outside of that they should be able to race where they like. Most of them don't earn enough from just racing uci events anyway. As for roadies etc. is it beyond the uci to have caviats and differentiations within their rules for the different forms of bike racing? They are all quite unique after all.
Blatant attempt to undermine any 'rival' series instead of accepting the competition or working together for the good of cycling as a whole in my opinion
  • + 3
 Payback for not letting us buy the vivid suspension unless we are pro!
  • + 1
 No, they can attend to those events...they are not preventing the riders...they are pushing organizers to get aligned to the UCI rules...as far as I know, DH1, Enduro Series are UCI sanctioned, or at least in each country where will be held will be sanctioned by their own federation, hence they have UCI approval...
  • + 1
 Pretty much, yes... because of being a part of the olympic movement the uci has take steps to ensure their continued legitimacy as THE world governing body... It is required on their part by ioc... These rules are pretty much always in effect, but largely abided by... Ever now and again they make some noise to remind riders and teams... Over the years I can remember several times they have done this.. over the.NCL, the breakaway federations tourers OBRA, the USA national racing calendar, teva games... In 20 I have never heard of a sanction or fine... In the most serious cases, USAC has always worked out a compromise that allows them to maintain legitimacy as the governing body, and allows athletes top compete in the events that they choose... Like what happened with the breakaway federations in the late 90sand the more recent issues with uci teams in the national racing calendar. This is not a big deal... if ever it became a big deal the usac and uci would work out a compromise... And some cases these agreements have ended up being better for the sport and athletes... Expect them to grab up enduro racing sometime in the next 5 years if they have their way.
  • + 3
 are you kidding me?? UCI is such a joke. They are following pretty close to the FIM, they tried to save money by not having prize money one year. Is this a joke?? So now riders have to ride USA cycling events, aka pretty much the pro grt. Is fontana USA sanctioned? Better start banning those KHS boys. Pathetic USA cycling and UCI. PATHETIC
  • + 1
 uci doesn't make the rider's,rider's make the rider,you have to pay UCI for every thing,#1event's pay,#2team's,#3rider's,#4red bullTV,THEY ALL PAY UCI,if uci payed that wood mean the last place rider got some,but you never see them,only top 30 rider,get looks,so as a rider you just can't show up where you want that suck's.ALL YOU TOP RIDER's NEED TO THINK,about who you want running your SHOW.
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  • + 42
 what a joke. the riders should get to decide which races they attend during their offseason. The UCI or USA Cycling has no business controlling what the riders do in their free time. It's not like the pro's are affecting the federations by racing in non-sanctioned events. Such BS
  • + 1
 Totally agree, this just stinks of an attempt to monopolize the talent.
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  • + 42
 Why would you want to be a part of the UCI these days anyway? They're the biggest sporting joke on the planet!!
  • + 4
 I wish mountain biking could just with draw its self from the UCI and start up an equivalent to them, except a lot more fun and not just about money
  • + 2
 If not a single pro registered with uci or usa cycling next season, both would just go away and something new would replace it
  • + 1
 So you can get a new vivid Wink
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  • + 29
 Is this a f*cking joke?!?!?! I've ridden every event I've been in with sponsored and recognized athletes, and as far as I'm concerned, everyone WANTS them there. When there is a pro rider in your division or heat, you ride harder than ever. They give me incentive to push myself, plus they are always really cool after the event to talk to. I suppose the next step will be banning professional riders from riding any trail not included in an official UCI or USA Cycling event. Complete bullshit!
  • + 16
 I agree, but Jesus rollerblading Christe dont give them any ideas!
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  • + 22
 Not cool man. So if that rule was in action in the uk it would mean peaty couldn't race in his own charity race which would suck. Such a rule shouldn't exist in any country getting pros to camio at grass roots events helps the little events
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  • + 16
 This is Crazy!! Well done USA Cycling for jumping on the UCI's band wagon to completely kill every form of fun cycling there is.

Wat happens now when "pro's" get invited to ride with, race with and inspire future athletes and grass roots riders... "i'm sorry rule number 1.2.019 says you are not free to help the next generation" What a load of Crap! Us pro riders would not be where we are without help and influence from a previous generation.
My suggestion is change it back and leave the UCI alone to their destructive ways, the moment they start recruiting multiple national federations in to their twisted way of thinking is bad news for us all.
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  • + 16
 I am going to go out and find Mr Gwin, challenge him to a race around the van.... haha... Mr Gwin... You banned for 1 month Smile
This made me chuckle in the morning.
  • + 3
 You would still have to beat him...
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  • + 16
 This is enforced in Sweden. To not get banned, racers often to participate under false names. F.ex "Superman"... Smile
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  • + 13
 When I was still competing, a fairly long time ago now, a rep of the UK branch of the UCI turned up at a jam and started telling us what we could wear and so on. they were told that it wasnt a UCI race and that they could fuck off as they had no authority over us. what they did next was call the police and complain that there was an uninsured and unofficial race going on and that it was on private land, which it wasnt. some of you might remember this. there was an article in MBUK about a similar incident. The UCI is a money making organisation, run by bitter old men who cant keep up anymore and who are determined to ruin it for everybody that can. what MTB needs is a seperate body to run things and stop being dictated to by super annuated roadies with a massive chip on thier collective shoulder.
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  • + 15
 This is downright foolish. It's clear that USA cycling and UCI do not keep it real....
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  • + 9
 surely this is the last straw, if chris ball and his mates at superenduro set up the world enduro series so whats stopping us from seperating ourselfs from the uci. we dont wan't them any more or the stupid rules they come up with. i.e. saddle angle no more than 5degrees, no hemet cams, restrictions on the dimentions of cloathing and now this.
also this 24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lt9ju4dN5g1qzcfxzo1_1280.jpg
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  • + 13
 (UCI and USAC ) Dinosaurs doomed for extinction.
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  • + 8
 It's up to each individual countries governing racing body to enforce the UCI rules... No one in the states has been fined or suspended yet, only warning letters have been sent out for certain high profile athletes.

Most athletes here are calling their bluff and standing up to it. USAC wants to enforce it because that will force race promoters to sanction their races with the USAC, if they want the big name pros to attend and bring in sponsorship money, also generating lots of revenue in one day licenses from non pro's and locals. A couple big pro's in a local series usually boosts attendance in racers and spectators which means more money. USAC want's that piece of the pie.

Think about how much money they're losing in licenses and promoter fees for an event like Cross Crusade in Portland, sanctioned by OBRA (Oregon Bicycle Racing Association), where there's and average of 1500 CX racers every sunday for 8 weeks. Oregon XC mtb series will see up to a thousand racers at some events, also OBRA, half of those will be cheap one day licenses in Oregon, $5, where with USAC it could be up to $60 for that license. So, USAC loses big time by not having our money, so in exchange, they say UCI and USAC licensed pro's cant race in our races...

Talk about tactics... Effing lame.
  • + 3
 Exactly. The thing that drives me nuts is there are people like me who are quick and fit, but just don't race because we just don't see the value added. Make a race 20-30 bucks and there is a good chance I will do one or 2 a year. Make it a 100 plus and I will go on my regular rides with my buddies and smash around the woods without having to do it on someone else's schedule. Plus seeing a pro ride and crush you is fun.
  • + 1
 (the below is from another website, a few months ago in regards to the OBRA/Crusade/USAC debate. The USAC guy makes a few good points, including the equity created by having international-caliber pros. But they are handling it in the worst possible way: deferring judgement to the UCI, who these days nobody likes. Fines in CHF - f*** off!)

"USA Cycling’s Johnson counters that adherence to the rule is simply about respecting the international structure of the sport.

“The UCI have specific regulations designed to protect the integrity and value of the international calendar,” he said. “The fact is these riders have equity that was earned by their international competition. Now if a local organizer wants the pros at their event because they are recognizable individuals as a result of their international competition experience, they should be part of the system that helped create that value.”
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  • + 9
 UCI and USA Cycling are an absolute joke, politics, money, corruption with Phat McQuid the captain on the ship of fools. The sooner DH can break away from these clowns the better.
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  • + 13
 thats just silly
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  • + 7
 It doesn't seem to state an event type either, so if rider x wanted to try an unsanctioned xc or road race to keep their fitness up, Would they then get banned. Or what happens if they wanted to do a bit of motox or non uci sanctioned figure skating?
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  • + 11
 wow - what a bunch of cunts
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  • + 6
 Same thing here in Croatia, of course it's not as strict in America, but still, i think the rule is stupid because it's not only the athletes who suffer but the race organizers who can't get much riders and attention needed for the event to succed...
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  • + 10
 a month long suspnsion? that sure beats my M3s 9.5 inches!
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  • + 5
 I seriously don't get this. I thought this kind of crap went out the window in the 70's when American athletes were forced to remain amateur if they wanted to compete at the Olympics, virtually forcing athletes to live in poverty to have the chance to go for gold. Can't believe there are still governing bodies in sport that make such bone-headed rulings without any genuine benefit to anyone.
  • + 1
 If racers had remained amateur, then we wouldn't have Olympic committees governing our professional athletes and have all these doping issues... Yes, pros would definately still dope, but no one would get caught, cause there'd be no testing, and the racing would be spectacular!
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  • + 5
 1) these rules make a lot of sense for road racing where there is a very sophisticated system of teams and events... They are largely abided by because people agree with them.

2) the mtb race scene sucks. It is a back water that remains woefully under developed, from the complete absence of a network of racing clubs, to the lack of organization in the grass roots racing,.to the lack of meaningful national race series in the USA, to the lack of development channels for elite riders, to the plain lack of prize money for "pro" riders... I love mtb racing, and the events, but seriously... It's a joke... Coming from road racing, managing a uci team,.and promoting a big race for 3 years I can tell you, by comparison I don't know how we have any good mtb.athletes at all coming out of the USA... It's just pure dumb luck... Any good cat 1 crit racer has better sponsorship and makes more prize money than your average USA based pro mtb racer in any discipline.

We could complain and over react to stuff, or we could figure out why or race scene is lame and make it better.
  • + 0
 Our race scene is lame because of bullshit rules like this that the UCI has put in place. End of story.
  • + 2
 Most gravity races here aren't uci, many aren't even usac... And still... Shit scene... So it ain't the uci or the feds...

Road racing has more bullshit rules and the racing scene is excellent and full of opportunity, and completely driven by the membership and their clubs (grassroots).

I don't know what the answer is, but I don't think it has to do with the uci...
  • + 1
 That would explain that there are indeed no big names that frequent, yes?

And I wonder why that is? Oh right, uci says they cant.

If theres a pro(s) in your scene of racing than the more people and the bettet the scene will become.. my old track had 3 pros at one point and was an absolute blast. I moved to a different place with different tracks and almost no.pros, the scene is shit.

It all depends who rides, and with that being controlled jealously by uci........... we're unfortunately screwed as there are just too many non-uci race clubs.
  • + 1
 Have you thought that maybe there were pro riders at some tracks because there were local people who cared enough to create that scene that allowed their development? That's got nothing to do with uci... It has to do with people caring about racing... I don't see a lot of mtb folks caring about racing... Riding fast and being awesome yes, but really caring enough to get involved?... No.
  • + 0
 I think you're missing the point I'm trying to get at... By Pros I mean guys like Gwinn and Hill.

It doesn't take much to be pro, but to be a big name pro.....


I can't really put it into words on the internet though so there goes that attempt. Jail
  • + 2
 'It doesn't take much to be pro...' Yeah that's why I'm on riding world cups this year....piece of piss to get sponsored and be 'pro'!
  • + 1
 ... in Canada all you need to do is be of age to be pro.... thats not much, man.
  • + 1
 to all that say it doesn't take much to be pro,think again the next time your face hits the dirt,its hard i did it,it takes money and time,its not free,i got lucky i got in when race's in the u.s.a. was just like world cup's,and had to finish in the top of my class to turn pro,shit i even won a simi pro race at a world cup race MSA,but there isn't even a simi pro class no more,not race,that can be called what we lost,and UCI was part of the problem,just like when some pro girl flew off track and they give her the win,last thing i know is when you don't go back where you left it you are DQ,thats a UCI rule,just ask the french girl who took 2nd,but should of got 1st at WORLD CUP race,so uci do what they want,there like a big corp. that take out the mom and pop store for there gain not for better of the store,but its not a thing we can do,but if your a top pro now you should think,whats the future going to bring if i don't put that foot down on the uci barney's,does a pro ranking really mean that much,to say your #1,cause it was uci who gave it to you,and not the guy at fontuckey cause he not sanction.
  • + 1
 Anyone of age can turn pro... I don't know why you're pulling out the big ass rant but that's the cold hard fact, dude.

Slowest rider in Canada can be 17 and turn Junior Elite (AKA Pro)... To be a sucsessful pro takes dedication. But when did I say it doesn't take much to be a good pro ? I never did.

You don't have to be fast, good, talented, have a nice bike, be sponsored or shit all to be Pro. Therfor, it doesn't take much.... Rolleyes
  • + 1
 dude,next time you see a pro ask them what it takes,saying your pro and doing it are not the same thing,it take hard work,so by saying it doesn't take much,you may be wrong,i'm not trying to hate on you i'm just telling in life nothing is a solid win,maybe in the now any one can turn pro,but when i was raceing you had to get top spot in your class,at a uci high rated race not your local small race.,so once again i'm not hatting on you.
  • + 1
 You're right, you're not hating on me. You're just not reading and taking in what I've written in blatant English.

Anyone can Liscence themselves as a pro. Dedicated or not, fast or not, sponsored or not.

Does it take a lot to be pro ? No.

Does it take a lot to be a world renown top pro ? Absolutely. But if you hadn't jumped the gun, you would realize I'm not talking about those guys and girls.

I'm talking the kid that wants that title of junior, elite, or masters. And all it takes is a tick of a check box on your Liscence application and your now a "pro" classified rider. That doesn't take much.

As far as I'm concerned if you can't understand what I'm trying to say after this, it's a lost cause and I'm not going to bother.
  • + 1
 dude you must learn before you speak you have yet to be there for don't even,bmxerch,ya ok,i'm 18 i know all bull crap dude,and if your hateing come get some i'm here i so cal if you have what it takes see how it don't take much to type b.s..or turn pro at it.lol.
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  • + 7
 To many fucking pen, pushers fucking it up in all industries. which means you cant enjoy all aspects of this sport disgraceful.
  • + 2
 Yep, pain in the ass. It`s the age of freesports. Amateursport - that is how it should be.

Let`s hope they don`t end up in bed with UCI and RedBollocks:

www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1ZFeRvGdrrI!
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  • + 9
 The UCI can suck my balls
  • + 11
 But if it was a female hot Uci official doing the sucking.....would it be bad?
  • + 1
 No it wouldn't, but it would make it all the much better!
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 They have a facebook. There is at least 150 people here who are complaining about it. 150 people should post on their facebook how they feel everyday for one month. That will get them thinking about it. No use moaning about it here. Get 'em where it hurts. On their front porch!
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 Seriously why can't we do without regulating bodies that serve themselves and not the sport we love? Surely we could set up our own body and do away with all this beaurocarcy, 'rules' ( I know some are neeeded but not ones that strangle this sport), self serving money and power hungry pen pushing geeks? This sort of shit in mountain biking makes me so angry. There has got to be a way out of the uci's clutches of we all work together for this fantastic sport. They couldn't give a f..ck and they are ruining it. lets do something, come on industry lets sort this.
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 Everyone can start by not purchasing a USA Cycling license. As much as I would love to race Sea Otter slalom/downhill and a couple other USA Cycling events in the US I will not be able to because I refuse to purchase a USa cycling license which is sad. I will however support the crap out of Chris Balls new World Enduro Tour, NAET and any other non USA Cycling event.
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 The UCI (and USAC) will recognize and sanction the Enduro category next season. They want it ALL.

That's why we're offering rainbow striped jerseys in all categories at this year's Breck Epic - 'cuz, you know - in recognition of CO finally approving civil unions and same sex marriages.

When are the governing bodies going to realize that not appearing to be complete DOUCHERS is far more monetizable than the reverse?
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 Totally. Taking something fun and cool and then associating it with the UCI is negative public relations, as "right" as it may seem to them.
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 Honestly if I was getting paid to ride my bike, I would do every race that is against Uci and cycling USA just to prove a point that they can't tell me what to do. Even if I got banned for a year, I would still show up and attempt to race. Everyone would see how much of a joke this is. Biking is a matter of having fun and hanging out with friends. We already have a government to deal with on other crap. This is suppose to be OUR get away from reality.
I had a mavic deemax shirt once that said "rules are made to be broken". I hope no one follows these bs rules.
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 Typical UCI and USA Cycling, just a bunch of quacks in an office trying to make a buck. Wish we could be gone with them and just ride and race how we want to. All this bureaucracy, politics and red tape are annoying as hell
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 the easy way to tell if somebodies pro or not, is what rear shock they are using. Sounds like RS and the UCI have been planning this one a while...
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 That business about the new RS shock was evidently just a marketing ploy, but this UCI rule is full on unadulterated BS.
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 How do you F**k up a one car funeral? Let someone from the UCI or USAC drive.
Mountain biking is supposed to be about freedom, creativity and enjoyment. Governing bodies like the UCI and others just "F" it up for everyone.
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 Something tells me they don't like the fact that all these unofficial races show how much they've lost touch on mountainbiking.

Also define race. Is a little contest at the local pumptrack considered to be a 'race' as in this article? (size) Or a bigger freestyle bmx contest when you are a pro level road cyclist? (relevance).
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 Above, someone mentions that its listed as "event" rather than "race", but to address your question anyway, I'd say the definition is "Can we, as the UCI, gain something out of screwing with the pro who went to this event?"
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 UCI and USA Cycling: What a poor excuse for an organization! Bunch Ass pony, thumb sucking, dolphin killing, baby seal murdering, dream crushing, ass backwards group of poo flingers EVER! What's it like to be a pinacle of douche baggery, the height of stupidity, the definition incompetence? Your sole purpose for existence is the dismantling of a sport for profit. A bag of monkeys could do a better job!
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 That's bullshit. Can't we just ride a bike? SO then they should use an alias name the way Tony Stewart used "Smoke Johnson" so he could race small tracks without breaking his contracts.
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 About time. I'm fed up of these pro's turning up to ruin local events with their flashy kit, giving help advice and support to hard working hobby riders, not to mention the parking woes they create...as soon as people here that riders x y and z are racing, the event gets swamped with local and not so local riders and spectators. Oh and don't get me started on the media coverage. I think the rule should be extended to include bike purchase...non uci registered persons should not be allowed within 30 yds of a bike shop... I mean the last thing any of us want is for more people to take up the sport. Bring back skin-suits and seamless helmets!
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 Very clever to f*cked up the new Enduro World Series isn't it?
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 ..s soon as the sponsorship dollars shift and promoters/venues can no longer pay the ransom, its all over for them (UCI/USAC)
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 They should just have a "for fun" category for the UCI racers if it's that big of a deal...
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 Every pro DH rider should go to an unsanctioned race and get suspended for a month in protest, can't make money off them if they aren't racing!
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 Exactly! Let the rule run it's course and either they'll go under or change the rule. Riders are the customers, we speak, they need to listen. If not, let them seal their own fate.
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 Three words: F***k the UCL
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 maybe they can somehow explain, that this is "for greater good" from their point view, being "professionals and knowing what they are doing" and stuff, but from a position of an average MTB enthusiast it seems that UCI and now this USA Cycling (whatever they are) have long abandoned common sense
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 Perhaps I need some clarification? In Canada almost all grassroots races are sanctioned by the provincial cycling body, its how the organizers get insurance for their events. For instance the Unicorn race in Kamloops is sanctioned as a Cycling BC grassroots event. If this rule was enforced in Canada I would be under the impression that it was to prevent racers from competing in races that do not have adequate insurance coverage. Does USA Cycling not act as a sanctioning body allowing events to gain insurance for races or is each event organizer responsible for gaining their own event insurance? Can races in the US not be sanctioned as a grass roots event?
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 I see this as an opportunity.... Pro riders will go to events that are deemed valuable and dictated to attend by the ones paying the bills (sponsors).

If the bigger companies that spend loads of money on supporting riders and events through sponsorship and tech attendance, decided to utilize the financial power they have by supporting new, non sanctioned events, worked with media to generate content and coverage on those events and had the riders and teams attend the given events.... I think this whole thing would be a non issue really.

IMO...UCI, USA Cycling and any other governing body do not create the value.....The riders attending the events,the companies filling out the tech area's and the coverage of the events is the value.

I am a former World Cup rider that is now in a Brand Manager/Marketing position as well as promoting my own series of Enduro's in So Cal. and the key for me is exposure.

It is not very important who the promoter of the event is...As long as it's professionally done, the riders are having a good time (meaning the event will organically grow) and exposure is generated.

The biggest issue I see in the states is having a professional series that is truly national...we just don't have it.

UCI and USA Cycling currently have the best attended by top Pro rider events.

As an industry we have elevated these current series to the status they are at....Meaning it can be done with others.

I think it would only take a few big companies to shift event sponsorship and attendance from events and pull riders form the given series for a big shift to happen.

We actually did it with Norba....Anybody remember how almost over night the Deer Valley tech area went from overflowing to only needing the top lot.
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 Thanks for the insight EC. The NORBA days where fun for several years in the early to late 1990's then politics killed them as well. It would be good to see those days again. I worked with a small BMX shop in Marietta, GA that you know and was at many of the NORBA races back then. I am now in Colorado and saw our Mountain States Cup series fade away as well. Lots of finger pointing but I see a similar political battle as this article. It is all about having the major companies foster the grassroots efforts by you or any other promotor or series breeding new riders and love for the sport.
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 USA CYCLING is the worst thing to that's ever happened to the sport of DH .....Bunch of roadies make dirt rules
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 I managed to get Steve Peat and Josh Bryceland to take part in a charity event for Stephen Murray a few years back, in fact PB gave a few dollars, thanks. People still talk about it now. It was a fantastic day to see 2 of the best riders in the world at our humble hill in an unsanctioned event raising some money for an injured rider. All sounds crazy to me.
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 This rule is fucking garbage. Props to you UCI for fucking the entire sport of cycling. One retard rule at a time. And I realize it's been there for 10 odd years, but to just strictly start enforcing it now is a total crock of shit.
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 I´d say that many amateurs would be disappointing by going to a race and seeing their illusion for wining destroyed by the presence of a pro, but I don´t think that matters too much to UCI or USA Cycling, must be some other reason.
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 dude who cares about winning, you don't get much at an am race. its more fun riding with the world cup guys. last yer i got to ride with mick hannah, gwinny, and neko... it was awesome, and you learn so much. the fastest guys on the hill at am races need something to get faster for... its not about winning. its going faster
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 This concept of leaving lower levels of competition open and clear from protour riders is important to the uci and rider Development. There are essentially three tourers of pro road competition and this asked the riders a development path. Just as there is amateur only racing for the same reason. The people in road racing all agree on this way of working. it works. But you are right, this is not all that is at play, they need to.defend their position a the official world governing body with the ioc... Out is more to do with that... But like I said before, they are usually all talk...
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 I dont agree with it snd i think its stupid but the ligic is the same as every other government game. If you take the big pros out of the game it allows someone else to win who wouldnt normally. I hate this strategy and think it only hurts the entire competitive field but all professional sports in the USA are run this way. Once pro you can never go back.
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 kjl845 may have a point, this may not be about excluding riders from events, but more about getting events under the UCI/USA banner and therefore more revenue and more control of the sport. I'm betting some lycra clad roadie is behind this :o)
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 UCI seriously thinks they are a standard in the sport of biking. It is about time for someone to introduce a better more refined less regulated organization. Attempting to control where someone chooses to ride is ridiculous. The PROs should get together and create a better org.
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 I feel very sorry for you Americans now, such a ridiculous rule.
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 It impacts any Uci ruled sanction, man. Not just the states.
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 Yeah but the USA are enforcing it, i havent seen any evidence of our cycling administration enforcing the rule
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 USA is enforcing it because the UCI has told them to do a more "thorough" job.

Who knows who's next is my point I guess. Hell, probably Canada...
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 I keep hoping that the fallout from the Armstrong debacle will result in the resignation of numerous members of USA Cycling and UCI. Then, MAYBE, new leadership will address these kinds of issues and resolve them and put them behind us so our sport and our riders can grow to the levels that they have the capability of achieving. Call me a dreamer.....
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 Not sure which smaller local events are sanctioned or not, I guess I never payed any attention. Some of these events are becoming quite popular and it sounds like USA Cycling wants these races to be sanctioned which means more $$$$ for them. More rules and regulations are becoming the normal in this once great country.
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 The same sh*t happened in my country last year, with our national cycling federation.
As you can imagine, the local bike scene isn't massive, with just 30 - 40 mtb events per year ( which are 90 % aimed at amateurs, with no UCI clasification ) and way less in road cycling. Furthermore, the federation is run by some incompetent dudes who are not interestesd in developing cycling, but use their position to serve certain obscure interests.
There are , obviously, just a handful of pro's who have a UCI license but used local races for the prizes and training. Now they are left without solution and have to look outside Ro for races, and amateurs are left without examples to follow on the trail .
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 Its all good. If I ever see Gwin, Ill just ask him if he wants to race me. And when he turns me down, because he has to, I will feel really good about myself... I could probably throw a little taunting in there too. Ha! But seriously what a dumb rule...
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 Race at Fontana he could be there haha
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 I think Im busy that day. lol
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 Another group of people tried something similar to this about 70 years ago, let me see what were they called again, oh yeah, Nazi's!! Telling a rider whom you do NOT pay by the way, where and when they can not compete is pure Communist!! I understand the rule completely and it is in no way to improve the rider, events, or competition. It is only a way to try and either force promoters to sanction the event(give USA cycling money for nothing), or to try and prevent a rival organization from forming.
If any of these "BRILIANT" people within the UCI or USA cycling would study basic marketing they may learn that competition actually brings MORE people in overall. Maybe you have a smaller slice but is becomes a much larger pie.
A old Chinese saying is that you can poke a dog so many times before he bites you, and goes away???
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 Why do they let monkeys make these rules?
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 So we're not gonna see any of the new Rock Shox Vivid shocks at unsanctioned events..... Smile
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 Seems like a pretty bunk rule that doesn't allow for much growth with-in the sport. Makes no sense what-so ever, but then again I don't race!!!!
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 So what happens if some uci riders get together and decide "hey lets race down here"? BANNED!!!riding should be about just that, riding,having fun and keeping fit.politics has no real place and complicates things.
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 This is in my opinion a stupid rule that only hurts the riders. Some of those racers need the cash from the smaller unsanctioned races to help pay bills.
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 So Lame! I have always been at odds with most of the controversial rulings in the UCI realm throughout the last decade... and this seems to be the final straw... I now truly believe UCI is bad for the Mtn Biking Industry!
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 SUGGESTED BOYCOTT:
All Top 50 pros (or just US pros) should all race in an unsanctioned race before the World Cup starts.
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 Isn't just registering your pros as individuals an easy work around?

Are there benefits to being a UCI team, other than the team cup? Maybe something to do with amount of support you're allowed at races?
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 UCI... will these comment be enough
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 So what happens if the EWS races aren't sanctioned, because there a direct competor of the UCI and many World Cup racers are looking to race in it? Is this a stillborn death?
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 That sucks. Big bully trying to keep all the fun to themselves. Hope it doesn't effect the pros coming out to our Fears Tears and Beers MTB Enduro like Ben Cruz, Mark Weir, Casey Kaufman, and others.
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 Lame!!! It be cool to have A pro in a race!!!! I mean if you beat a pro then you could get recognize!!!!! I mean a pro rolls in then every one aims to keep up with him or beat!!! But oh well
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 Gotta love it when an organization attempts to control its competition through the people who actually make it money. Not that I race but I liked it better when the UCI wasn't involved.
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 Guess I will not be renewing my UCI Lic this year then. Most of the racing in the South East is not under USA Cycling. This sucks! They really need to get their act together for the sake of cycling. Cecil
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 Hold on, wasn't the UCI responsable for failing to test/covering up the lance armstrong saga? Why are they still involved in cycling?
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 UCI is trying to do away with competition. Looks like an attempt at a monopoly. Can we get a volunteer UCI racer to start a lawsuit? We can change the rule and prevent this stupidity!
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 This idea is just daft, can't they do something positive?
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 can we have a list of all the uci licenced races?

Also, does this incude strava?
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 Funny and not out of the realm of possibility that they would include STRAVA!
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 Standard USA politics if they cant win they bend the rules so they can win - COME AT ME NEG PROPS !
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 Probably the same batch of kids that grew to develop obummercare and limits on soda sizes u can have delivered with your pizza. People need to wake up and overrule the idiots.
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 I really hope his doesn't get enforced in the UK! Utter BS!
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 hahahaha now ill never get a UCI license These fools are trying to impose a monopoly on riders and it sure as hell wont work on me
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 That is the most stupid rule I have ever heard! Whyy?
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 High handed but... Sand bagging will suddenly drop. Amateur events should be for amateurs. If u are fed up with uci then quit. Stop bitching.
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 The UCI must have a dead animal up their butt. I wish they could just go away.
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 its happening...."enduro world series" this year, and hopefully DH follows, believe that the WC racers want to race more than 6-7 times a year. Ridiculous.
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 Yah dh needs to bail from the uci although I don't think it will due to the prestige surrounding the series. Also there are lots of top WC riders that won't race these new events due to this dumb rule making it tough for these series to get started.
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 What a load of crap. The UCI breed drug fuelled roadies. MTB should break away.
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 Being a professional in one's sport is the Holly Grail- why are they tarnishing it with bureaucracy? Wankers
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 Usac just shot themselves in the foot. And will bleed out
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 Isn't the fontana winter series an UNsanctioned uci/usac race? and isnt the fontana race this next weekend a USAC proGRT? Can someone explain how this works?
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 i bet all the riders will just no have teams Big Grin thats a great idea, dont register as a team
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 Its not about the pros, or the bike companies. Its about you, your bike, the trail, your mates and that is it. You don't need an expensive bike. You don't need the latest bike.
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 The article makes me mad, but happy because I'm the second pic Smile
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 the UCI can do one, bunch of cunts.
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 this is like what rock shox has done but this time its the pro's thats getting the worst deal hahaha messes up
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 So we still get Andrew Neethling at our nationals but no Greg Minnaar. Lame.
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 How is that? They are both UCI.
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 The article said the Giant Off Road team had found away around the regulations, by not appearing on the UCI roster. In other words hopefully by some loop-hole Needles can still race locally.
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 Ahhhh. i see.
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 I wonder if they're going to pull a RockShox and say they were just kidding in a few days.
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 UCI completely sucks

I guess if you break this rule you are also out of chance to buy the new Vivid Smile
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 GAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
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 no land of the free and home of the brave then .
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 almost a joke this,,,, unbelievible
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 is that for only in the USA?
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 I don't think this is very fair! People should be able to race where they want when they want!
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 They are trying to (and have) make a monopoly so all of the best riders are restricted to their events, thus if fans want to see them they must go to one of their races, increasing tourism for the venue (the only reason places hold big races).

The big racing organizations do not want more organizations to start popping up, causing at some point, racers be forced to decide between multiple events. If all the best racers are spread out between multiple races durring the same time period, imagine how difficult it would be to follow the sport!

I expect negative props but I think that this is benificial to the fans and viewers. If there are more organizations there is more contest between those organizations to get riders to attend.
I do however agree that it is overkill to make it illegal for riders to participate in small, local races. It is a bureaucracy made up of business men who have interest in the sport but have the cloud of business hanging over them none the less.
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 Are you drunk??
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 They are only doing this so other riders have a chance of winning. But the downside is not being able to watch them ride. I have raced with world class riders in my local area, and it would be an absolute shame if I couldn't see them ride.
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 the UCI may be the worst governing bodies of any sport that I'm familiar with...
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 this is why i dont race , F&^K the UCI
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 So USA Cycling are as dumb as they look.
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 All these comments are great examples of how rad the mountain biking community is!
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 Lots of rebellious attitudes on here todayFrown
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 Aren't those UCI stripes on Carlson's fork?
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 Doesn't mean anything.
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 uci gets stranger all the time
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 Bunch of f@gs, to make rules like this in the first place.
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 Really? What is there to gain from this?
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 I find it just ca media enable a better driver with a record lighter pros can no longer do their shadows.
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 Screw you guys, I'm going home...
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 they should have a pro class...... simple and easy
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 In 1981 NORBA rule book was 2 pages now we have created a monster
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 What a load of sh*t!
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 next thing you know we won't be allowed to ride with our buddies
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 Political Nonsense, screw them!
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 BOYCOTT BOTH UCI AND USA CYCLING!
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 what a bunch of kooks
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 LAAAAAAAAME!!!!
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 For once I'm glad i'm a slow ass rider who's not a pro on a UCI roster!
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 WTF!!!!! UCI SUCKS!!!!
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 DAMN IT!!! Mitch Ropelato won't be able to ride reaper madness!
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 Not true. Both he and Gwin, who are on UCI WC rosters for Specialized, will be there. The Reaper Madness is USAC sanctioned. It is the first stop on the Pro GRT this year.
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 Ok then. COOL!!!
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