This whiney crap happened when XX came out four years ago... ten speed cassettes have trickled down. You can get them at the X5 & Deore price levels now. In a few years, they'll be cheaper 11 speed cassettes.
I don't think this is the future of mountain biking at all, I think it's the past that just won't die. When can we move away from derailleur centric drive trains please? This 'technology' is almost a century old.
No, the future is a 48-9 15 speed cassette with a single ring crank I think. And the rear derailleurs will be hydraulic because it will be impossible to adjust 15 gears properly with a cable. Everything will be carbon, even the 15 speed chain and cassette. Cassette can be made from a single piece of coal I guess.
This will be the last groupset that Sram is going to make. Its name will be SRAM_XXX.
zorba73 internal gears are much older than derailleurs, but we are still chained to these road bicycle brands and their standards of reliable drivetrains.
The future, for enduro and DH it will be gearboxes. These fancy derailleurs will do a dang good job, but they too will pass. Imagine never missing a shift, never crashing and bending something, never having your chain fall off and never again having chain slap. All of that is possible with a well designed gearbox bike. Watch, the future is coming.
I have similar feelings to zorba...but with cars. I mean, seriously, they're archaic, and just won't die. When will we have personal transportation that doesn't limit us to being gravity's bitch? And rubber tires? Those things wear out...clearly this 'technology' is preventing us from progressing as a society. But, I'm too lazy to do anything about it, so I'll just moan annoyingly until someone else takes the initiative to resolve these meddlesome problems.
@ assfault: HAHAHA you totally beat me to it! It's funny how people complain about the advancements sram has made with XX1 yet they don't even think twice before buying a set of spoked wheels. Why won't spoked wheels die? WHY?!
Go build your own bike parts and then come back so we can make fun of them.
Not really guys. Some things dont need to change drastically, other thing's do. Evolution of components is fine and necessary until some thing revolutionary comes along. There really is no reason why the big manufacturers won't develope (release) a viable alternative other than there's still a tonne of money to be made from flogging a dead horse.
'Flogging a dead horse' is an idiom for doing something that will not succeed or work... which in the example you've given doesn't make sense as cassettes and derailleurs DO work, just apparently not to your futuristic standards.
One day gear boxes will fit with in the BB shell , BB shells may go up in size to accomodate this but I really think this is the way it will/should go.
I honestly don't think an X9 version would be that much cheaper at the moment. But I'm with ya, it would go on my bike in a heartbeat if I could afford it!
not convinced. Working on BB sized gearboxes (like hammerschmit) to make a more reliable ride makes more sense. Derailleur tolerances get too tight. At this point a hammerschmit style gearbox lets you have more variety on a 6 speed cassette than this does, with potential for a wider spread on the spokes (lateral wheel stiffness), a less touchy derailleur with all the benefits of a 1x setup. You can drop unsprung weight, increase reliability and longevity, and give a big boost to overall performance. Less derail-able chain, not more guys. Stop drinking the koolaid. KISS principle please!!!!
What I want to see is a hydrostatic version of the hammerschmit.
This is the first "anti XX1" comment I've seen that actually has legitimate thought behind it. A small almost road cassette in the rear could accomodate a short cage der. and keep it up out of harm and still give you the gear ratios. Not to mention the benefits you pointed out by bigger distance between hub flanges.
the issue with gearboxes is as the parts get smaller and the space available drops, the resistance to pedalling goes up, if you've ever ridden a hammerschmit AM in the "big" gear it's like dropping your tyres by 10-15PSI with no gain in efficiency anywhere else!
I could see a 1 x 11 being advantageous for very specific purposes, such as Enduro and aggressive All-Mountain, but less beneficial in other applications, such as DH or XC.
To me, I don't see this a bringing out new standards to replace the old ones, outdate our gear, and force us to spend money. To me, I see this as the industry recogonizing specialized sub-sets or niches within the category of "mountain-biking", and desigining specialized gear to meet the needs of those specific sub-sets.
This is a good thing. Now, all I need to do is find more money for all the toys I want.
Maybe you're right. I suppose, if a 1x11 setup was lighter than a 2x10, competitve racers might want to go that route. Having said that though, I suspect it would be most attractive to the highest level of elite weight weenies, whereas, I suspect your every-day recreational xc rider and casual racer would probably benefit more from the wider gearing options of the traditional 2 or 3 ring and front derailleur set-up, then they would from the minor weight reduction.
Why can't manufacturers put this technology on 1x9. The chains last longer and they are generally more reliable. I wonder if this is an excuse to just sell people things?
Nothing beats someone on a 1k bike rip someone on a 6k-8k bike. I love the fact that with mountain biking the pilot makes such a big difference.
hahahaha yup! love watching young guys on mountain bikes go past 40 year old guys on pinarello dogmas like they're standing still riding up the road of our local mountain
If you have the money, what's wrong with people having a 6k-8k bike? Of course there'll be people out there on 1k bikes that can rip past somebody on a more expensive one, but that doesn't that person should go buy a cheaper bike. Not everyone who drives a ferrari can drive like Alonso or Massa? Should they go out and by a Punto?
You can of course buy whatever you like, whatever your wallet allows you to buy. It is your choice. I have a few nice bikes, nowt wrong with that, just the wife gets on at me for it
Never had a XT or XTR 9 speed chain break on me... ever. Though I did break a couple 9 speed KMC's and blew apart a couple 9 speed Sram Powerlinks. I can't help but think that going to narrower chains is a ploy to get ppl to buy more chains.
Triple-X from above, funny!LOL! I too live and die by the 1x9 but I am opened minded about the 1x11. Like every one else the price is the limiting factor for now but I will just be patient and when the time is right my next bike will be speced with this system. 1x9, 1x10, 1x11, sounds like we are talking about lumber. Bwah! Hah! Ha! As you were gentlemen.
X9 version with an 11-40 or 11-42 cassette so it compatible with existing cassette bodies, and match it to 32-38 chainrings with a normal BCD. That would be spot on!
Jerome - sick guy.
Not so serious and boring all the time. Always looks happy and light-hearted, yet still clearly very competitive on the quiet.
I'd buy his sponsor's products based on that
I think AM riding (aka aggresive trail, enduro, bc singletrack, "honey, I'm headed out for a ride with the guys"...or whatever else someone wants to label their target demographic to assist in sales) is an area that is really growing. The idea of a larger spread, less overlap in gearing, access to more secure chain guides and ring protection on a single ring, and no annoying front derailer and all the hassles that go along with that is a great idea. I'm excited about it...just not willing to pull off the XO and spend an ass tonne of money to replace it with this. As with all new MTB products, if you don't think its a great idea for you're unique style of riding, likely because you ride in a way that is dramatically different and way more [insert current MTB adjective such as steezy, gnar, epic, etc.] than anyone else, then don't worry about it and go on with your day unaffected. I look forward to when this filters down and generalizes or to selecting my next bike with this product in mind and see it as beneficial for me if it works as advertised.
SICK! Im very lucky to see with my own eyes that same bike. I think that worth the spending on XX1, smooth precision shifting and never drop the chain im looking forward to see that machine working on the track this weekend!!
I really didn't want to like this drivetrain. It is stoopid expensive. But the more I see and hear about it the more I want it. Combine the chain ring retention and 11 cogs from this with shimano's shadow plus on the rear and trigger feel, and you just might have the perfect drivetrain.
clutch + special chainring. I have SLX with clutch and Im really impressed (it basicaly allows me to run front mech without chain guide) would love to get that chainring... but Why TF 11sp... hope some guys (like HOPE) will try to do such chainring for 9sp and 10sp on their own
I say: kudos to you for not reading it at first, but well now it's done anyways - feel better with all that knowledge inside? changed your life forever?
Not taking the piss out of you but of the way the e-cyclists brains work - Step 1.must know moar about bikes - Step 3. Success and happyness - eee what about step 2? - dunno
As likely would you. I still rock my SS hardtail on days I need an ass kicking. Makes me a stronger rider and when I get back on the 1x9 I feel like I'm cheating.
Definitely Doba I hate all this new bike technology I mean crap that makes riding my bike more fun! But I do love hating on people for upgrading from their old shimano 3spd kickback bikes because just like you said it means they're weak!
Get off your high horse...
im looking forward to see that machine working on the track this weekend!!
