DeHy Cable-Remote for Reverb Dropper PostsBike Yoke is a German accessory maker that produces yoke conversions for standard shocks to Specialized FSR bikes, cams to convert Shimano shifters to SRAM derailleurs and most recently, the "DeHy," which is German for "smarty pants," or something like that, and it replaces the hydraulic actuator piston and drive assembly that sits in the bottom of a RockShox Reverb Stealth dropper seatpost. What the DeHy does is allow Reverb owners to switch from the slow-acting hydraulic push button remote to any cable-actuated remote lever. (Of course, the folks at Bike Yoke would like you to buy their Triggy remote to go along with it.) That's right. You can dump the entire hydraulic hose, remote, and the actuator, lose your bleed kit and the smelly oil in the bottom of your tool box, and switch over to a simple cable and housing. To RockShox purists, that may seem like rolling back to the Stone Age, but some Reverb owners are over hydraulics. Why toil with oil when cables are able?
Details:Bike Yoke's DeHy Reverb conversion kit allows you to use any Reverb Stealth seatpost in combination with a regular cable actuating lever (front fed). It includes all parts needed to convert your Reverb Stealth to cable actuation:
• actuating/linkage unit
• barrel cable clamp
• inner cable
• cable housing
• two housing endcaps
• inner cable endcap
• retails for 62,99€ and shipping is free worldwide, when ordering directly from
Bike Yoke (Here's the official press release)Rock Shox Reverb goes TriggyAfter BikeYoke ́s Triggy had been announced a few weeks ago, but was only available for front fed cable posts, the guys from Bike Yoke received a lot of questions about compatibility with Fox ́s new Transfer, or RockShox ́s Reverb dropper posts. RockShox Reverb is undoubtedly the most popular drop-post on the planet, but it features a lever some people think could be improved in ergonomics and compatibility.
DeHy - Reverb cable conversion kit:Some may ask, how this could even work, since RockShox ́s Reverb seatpost is actuated by a hydraulic hose, whereas Triggy is a wire-based remote. For the past few months, Bike Yoke has already been working on something very clever, which is now available and unique in the market: The hydraulic hose, including the actuation assembly, is only externally attached to the post. So why not simply replace it with a wire and a small lever unit that replicates the original bottom part of the seatpost? No more remote hydraulics involved, no more remote bleeding needed – and a constant actuation feeling, regardless of temperature.
Replacing these parts takes just a few minutes and does not involve any opening of the post – Reverb ́s internal hydraulics remain completely untouched. Removing the remote hose and the actuator assembly from the bottom of the post is all you have got to do - and then replace it with the Reverb conversion kit and you are ready to connect your Reverb with BikeYoke’s Triggy or another cable remote, such as Specialized’s SLR, Kindshock’s Southpaw, or the RaceFace HopUp lever. The Reverb conversion kit will work with all Reverb Stealth seatposts. DeHy also builds much shorter than the original Connectamajig actuation and provides extra space for seat tube insertion when having a very short seat tube.
Bike Yoke is sending us a Triggy/DeHy Reverb remote system, so keep an eye out for a comprehensive review this summer.
Exact same issue for a friend of mine who bought it a few weeks after me.
Do they still have the same issue ?
Still the same issue. The problem ist the IFP (Internal Floating Piston - separates oil and air inside the post), that get´s stuck and won´t start moving move from air pressure alone. Pushing the saddle down manually helps to break the stick-slip of the IFP and let´s the post move. After a while it will probably get stuck again.
That´s why we came up with something different than IFP.
Its funny as I keep reading reviews of cable posts saying that the cable needs to be exactly adjusted etc etc.
No cable for me thanks.
(They are both external of course which is a slight issue here anyway
From my own experience, and the comments here, there's lots of folks out there that are still happy with the hydraulic part of the reverb.
I've seen more constant issues with that post than any other. We're actually phasing them out at the shop I work at. Too many much better options at a similar price.
step 1; buy a KS Lev Integra.
Ks lev was a breeze to install, smooth as my pickup lines and it's never given me any fuss in any condition!
To each their own but my experiences have been brilliant in contrast and the design around the lever is smarter than the reverb in every way. Also, less stack on the collar do it goes even lower than the reverb.
I could keep going
Still it involves hydraulics and many customers do not want to bother with hydraulics on their bikes, when it comes to maintenance.
Well, one should assume assume, that if someone is buying a DeHy and attaching it to his bike, he should also be able to bleed a Reverb. My experience tells me differently. Basically everyone knows, how to deal with a shifting cable, but if it comes down to brakes or any hydrualic work, they´ll let us do the job at our workshop.
The overhaul of any post is a hassle, and the main issue of basically all the hydraulically locked posts is the IFP, which requires super precise concentricity of the two tubes involved, super good ID and OD surface finish on both tubes AND a basically very well tolerated seal.
That being said, I don´t care, if the post is actuated by hydraulics or cable, if the post itself was performing well over time.
Both hydraulic actuation and cable actuation have their advantages and disadvantages. Have you ever ridden a Reverb, when it´s really cold? Then it is really hard to push the lever, or not even possible without breaking your thumb. If the actuation system was absoulutely stable, there would be not a lot of things to say against it. Cable on the other side CAN need maintenance, as well, but everyone knows, how to replace or even just re-lubricate a shift cable and a lever.
You may assume, that there is a reason, why so far only RockShox is using hydraulic actuation for a droppost remote: Because other than on brakes, no ones cares about perfect modulation or bite point of a remote lever. I for myself think the ergonomics on the Reverb lever is really terrible and it´s really hard to push as well. What a remot eshould do is: Easy to reach, easy to push and in the best case the further you push it, the faster the post should extent. That´s what a remote should be able to do. Not more and not less.
And the Reverb Remote (to my own feeling) fails the first two.
But it is very likely, that air WILL pass the IFPeventually and cause suspension in your droppost.
That´s why there is something new coming up in a few weeks, which will be quite - let´s say - revolutionary.
Which remote are you using for the Fox?
@tiagomano - I had gen1 Reverb for 3 years. Only bleeding issues but finally died. Bought Reverb 2 and it has a tiny slop on intermediate settings. I am scared of changing it since everything else is fine so far but I did hear that Stealths from gen 2 are as bad as gen1.
Super smooth operation. And lever could not be better: easy to push and perfect positioning.
Hope it has the same bomb-proof reliability of the DOSS
Positioning really isn't ideal if you're using Shimano brakes. I found it was just too bar away for me. If you've got SRAM and using the matchmaker then that's not an issue.
I would definitely give this lever a try as it is a great dropper overall as this remedies my main issue.
As for cold weather... how cold? I suppose mine hasnt been in sub zero yet.. winter will see to that im sure though.
changed the cable on my Lev once in the year that I have had it , my buddies Reverb has been nothing but a hassle in the same period of time .
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Step 2: Use the old Reverb to replace the hydraulics of your computer chair.
nope but when one pays between $300 to $500 on a seat post they expect some reliability and such from it . what would you thoughts be a on a $300 to $500 rear hub that needed to be rebuilt and serviced after a very short duration of use ?? I ride with several Reverb owners and the amount of time they are without a post due to failures or some other issues is easily 5 times that of my current LEV post . 16mths now and changed the cable twice .
I have a second Reverb now and all in all I have been happy with them. Because it goes up when I want to climb and it goes down before the descent. It is amazing. If it breaks - oh well... that's not like my daughter lost an eye or my wife died.
Yes it may be me cuz I think this is the time of whiny pussies who play tough guys only when they don't get what they want after they paid (Louis CK voice) Moooneeeeeey. I paid moneeeeey blaaa mhwaaaa mhwaaaaa. Hello, this is customer support and customers are very important for us, we will try to resolve the case, due to ethics. Ekhem... and Mooooneeeeeey, that why we are not giving them back to you, and even if we do, you won't get compensation for using our faulty product. We appreciate your business sir. Fk you. Oooh you bring a lawyer? Oh... this sht can go forever. Because of a bike part. Fk you Sir, get a grip Sir, get a fkg Grip, thank you for chosing our product.
Good night sir, thank you for listening to my show, I doubt you are a better person after reading this. It's called internet and you lost a big part of your time. And nobody gives a sht, just your relatives.
www.mtb-mag.com/en/introducing-the-bikeyoke-revive-dropper-post
I see this as a good thing for a few reasons. First, easy repairs. Bust a cable and it's a quick fix with a gear inner/ outer. Bust a lever and you don't need to hunt for the one specific thing that fits. If you are racing or travelling somewhere new it is really easy to get these spares. You could also argue the cable makes the bike and post easier to travel with too. Second, you open up almost unlimited lever options to find something that really works well with your preferences and amount of crap already on your bars. Third is probably the most contentious, but the cable option gives you scope to drop weight over the stock hose and lever if that type of thing interests you.
At the end of the day a shonky dropper will be frustrating regardless of whether it is hydraulic or cable operated but it is nice to have some other options on the Reverb IMO, particularly with regards to spares and repair, plus finding a lever that works for you.
standard reverb remote
dehy using included cable
dehy using powercordz style outer/inner(or at least outer.)
@Sacki have you managed to get weights on the Dehy yet?
www.novyparts.com/produits-novyparts-suspensions-vtt/levier-pour-tige-de-selle/levier-pour-tige-de-selle.html
I have never changed the cable in my Thomson dropper in two years, and only adjusted the cable tension once. On average, I bleed a reverb (with the same amount of Km) twice per year.... and there is the lever thing too.
Buying the beeld kit can be more expensive, compared to the cost of cables ... although with the price of this unit, I think its also a wash.
6 to one, Half dozen to the other.
I´ll upload some picture to our website so you can see Triggy from all directions.
I´ll upload some pictures in my gallery tomorrow, after I install a Triggy on a SRAM Guide via MMX clamp.
You may check in my gallery tomorrow...
Right now I´m using MT7 with their matchmaker clamp and Triggy.
In case you are wondering, what kind of fork this is: Prototype 185mm with 36mm stancions. Internals all custom with travel adjust and bladder based 3 way compression damping. Lowers are borrowed from XF Metric. Weight: 2350g including headset.
If you are wondering, what kind of seatpost this is, then just keep hanging around here on PB. ;-)
We are not saying, the original remote is bad or does not work well. Bleeding the hose is super simple, and the function is OK for most people and under most riding conditions.
The main reason why we came up iwth DeHy is because we simply do not like the ergonomics of the original Lever. It is quite hard to push (no it is not toooo hard, but it still feels kind of squishy and slow) and the angle, that it´s directed to does not feel good and everyone, that I know, likes trigger style remotes better in terms of ergonomics. If you have ever tried a KS LEV Southpaw or a Spacialized SLR remote, you know, how smoth and easy a post can be actuated.
So the main idea, was to make a Remote, that works and looks like a regular trigger shifter, because people like it and people are used to it.
Then of course there is the question about hydraulic actuation or not. And in this case I must say, that it is way easier and cheaper to design a reliable Remote and actuation mechanism, which is cable actuated, than one, which also uses hydraulics.
The installation of a new hydraulic remote would require a complete bleed, and also the remote would have to be bulkier and for sure it would be not as slim and adjustable, as Triggy.
We did not touch any internal parts of the Reverb, so we are not raising the question, if the Reverb´s internals are reliable or not. A Reverb will internally be same reliable with or without DeHy.
Also I am not saying, that the hydraulic actuation is unreliable or crap.
But one thing is for sure: 8 hydraulic seals (including several dynamic ones) in a remote and hose altogether are for sure not more reliable than a simple shift cable. ;-)
So the point is:
Are you having no issues with your Reverb remote, and do you not wish to have a different style of actuation movement (trigger style)? -> Then keep your original Reverb remote
Do you want a reliable trigger style remote, which you also can combine with different brake brands? -> Buy a DeHy
Would you also want your shifting actuated by hydraulics?
Does anyone here have problems with shifting cables? ;-)
Never even got my down jacket out this year.
www.mtb-mag.com/en/introducing-the-bikeyoke-revive-dropper-post
But it´s just convenient for the customer to not have to bother with any additional costs or calculate or worry about anything. Spares me a lot of questions, too.
So just buy and don´t worry. so far all the parcels arrived at their destination. ;-)
We are a real rider owned company and next to making of (of course) our main goal is to make customers happy with our products.
cheers
I know, what you mean, I didn´t take it offensive in any way, sorry, if it sounded like that.
Our shop works like this:
If someone from the EU orders, then he will pay the regular German sales tax, as he/she woudl have to in his own country as well (no import/export involved).
If someone outside of EU orders, we will only charge him with the net price, because he does not need to pay the German/EU sales tax/VAT. People from outside EU pay the price excluding VAT, and we charge them without VAT.
Still free shipping for anyone, anywhere.
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I've literally never needed to adjust my cable actuated giant contact dropper. Flawless since day 1
have you ever used a giant contact dropper? it's cable lever, but uses a gas strut, and it's insanely smooth, because the smoothness has nothing to do with the cable, it has to do with the damping of the dropper stanchion itself
I have not used a Giant Contact dropper, and admittedly most of my other dropper experiences are based on quick test rides on friends' bikes. The reason for that is I've had a Reverb on my bike for more than five years now, and it has worked flawlessly. I'm not a huge fan of the actual remote -- I wish it had a more thumb-friendly lever -- but beyond that, there's not a whole lot that could convince me to switch to another post.
If you've had luck and prefer some other type of post, by all means, carry on, soldier.
Megavalanche 2016: Every year the same thing: Riders trying to push their Reverb remotes and nothing happens. ;-)
Riding in winter with my buddies: I am riding a cable actuated post, some are riding Reverb. For some reason the cable actuated remote one is far easier to push. But the posts are slow anyway, when it´s cold. :-D
I think they originally used a heavier weight fluid when it was first released which would've been more prone to issues but 2.5wt fluid really isn't going to have issues until you get 20 degrees... at which point most people aren't going to be riding anyway.
True dat! But then working on equipment should not start with bleeding a remote for a droppost.
Sometimes I can not believe, how many people come in for service with shock bushings, literally having 0,5mm of play (this does not come over night), loose linkage bolts, brakes, that proably needed bleeding 2 years ago, forks that have run more dry than - well, I guess you know, what I mean.
I can tell you, that even very good riders do not neccessarily know, how to properly service and maintain their equipment.
Some people just ride, and they have no idea, if something is serviced or needs to be serviced, or if it even rides or feels as it should.
And many of those people are ones, that have the biggest mouth in forums (especially in Germany, I´m not soo much on PB forums) )and right before going on trail with us.
Don´t get me wrong, I am not referring to any of the respones here. I aprreciate criticism and respect any (well, most) opinions. But I can tell you, that very often people pretend to know way more than they actually do.
I have seen so many customers, that didn´t even know, that a droppost was not supposed to have suspension. Some people don´t know, that when a disc is literally blue from overheating, this might be the cause for noise and/or failure of the brake.
Some people are wondering, why their brake doesn´t have any more power anymore. Then we find out, that they install a SRAM brake with CPS washer, making the caliper sit about 5mm too high.
I cna tell you stories, you won´t even believe. ;-)
Those people might have difficulties in adjusting a brake cable, as well. But for sure, needing to bleed something hydraulic, would let them burn their house down
Tere are soo many bikers, that ride with rear shocks, that are already way past any proper function (especially rebound), but they don´t know better.
It moves - then it must be OK.
Hi, You ordered Triggy as a "pre-order" item. As announced in all our press releases, and also mentioned in the product description on the wesbite, Triggy is currently in production and will finish production by end of July. After I receive them in Germany, I will send them out to you guys immediately.
In our website it says, that we will start shipping by end of July. We keep you guys updated on FB regularly abotu the production status.
And we´ll let you know, once the Triggies are on their way to Germany.
Cheers