Diverse Suspension Dueler Shock Review

Jul 23, 2010
by Mike Levy  
Diverse Suspension Dueler

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Diverse Suspension hails from the world of motocross and brings with them years of know how with their first mountain bike damper, the Dueler. They've taken a different approach to suspension than a lot of other companies have, that is, instead of a product that is littered with strangely named adjustments that can confuse the average consumer, their shock takes a much more straightforward approach. All dials are named by exactly what they do - what a strange theory! But it's the Duelers price that has attracted a lot of attention, starting at only $389 USD including a titanium spring. Given the impressive price, a lot of questions have been asked about whether the Dueler can compete in not only performance, but also in reliability. After all, it wasn't that long ago that you had to spend that amount just to get a titanium spring on its own. We've put a lot of time on the Dueler, including heaps of laps in the Whistler bike park, and below you can read about our thoughts on the affordable shock.

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Diverse Suspension Dueler shock


Diverse Dueler details

  • No pedal platform
  • Adjustable rebound
  • Adjustable high and low speed compression
  • Separate high and low speed compression circuits (DSC)
  • Adjustable reservoir air pressure and volume (on 10.5" and 9.5" length models)
  • Stepped bottom out bumper prevents any damage to seal head from bumper
  • Uses standard 1/2" shock hardware
  • 12 mm aluminum shaft
  • All parts, shims, and tools available after market for home tuning
  • Lifetime warranty on shock (excluding wear and tear)
  • MSRP starting at $389 USD including titanium spring

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Cut away of the Dueler shock

The shock uses a large 12 mm diameter aluminum shaft that cuts grams over a smaller steel version, but should also make for more progressive stoke due to the larger displacement when compared to smaller shafts. Of course, this is also dependent on IFP position and pressure as well. The cut-away photo above shows just how simple the Dueler actually is. Inside you'll find the simple and proven design of a large high flow piston with shims on each side that control rebound and compression, along with a air backed internal floating piston (IFP) to compensate for shaft displacement - Nothing new or exciting, but demonstrated to be reliable and work well over time. The bridge between the shock body and piggy back sports dials that adjust low and high speed compression, with each being separate from one another for independent adjustments. A black plastic sleeve on the body of the shock protects against spring rub that some bike designs are prone to causing, and a stepped bottom out bumper prevents rubber and grime from being forced into the seal head when you use full travel. The Dueler also uses standard 1/2" shock hardware, the same size that you'd use to mount most popular shocks available today.


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One of the more interesting details of the Dueler, surely to a lot of riders who like to tinker, is the ability for the consumer to call up Diverse directly to order any and all parts, including shims. This should be big news for a lot of riders who either have the know how, or want the know how, to custom valve their suspension. It also means that consumers have the option of performing maintenance themselves with less down time, as opposed to having to mail the shock out to a repair depot to have the work done.

The dueler features straightforward adjustments that are clearly labeled, including rebound, low speed compression, high speed compression, spring preload, and IFP pressure, as well as IFP volume on the longer 9.5" and 10.5" eye-to-eye sizes. The shock also comes with easy to read setup instructions that explain what each dial affects and what ride characteristics to look for while going through the setup process. You'll also find both an e-mail and phone number to contact Diverse directly if you need any assistance.

Riding Impressions


The Dueler replaced the stock shock on our Lapierre DH720 speed machine and we installed it with Diverse's titanium spring as stock. Although the spring rate was advertised as being the same as the steel version it replaced, the bike sagged deeper into its travel under my weight than with the original shock on it. How much of this is down to differences in spring rate (even though they are claimed to be the same and either companies' spring could be out a touch) or lighter valving, I'm not sure, but both likely play a part. Diverse forgoes using any sort of pedal assist or additional compression damping that would aid a bike that pedals badly, in favor of a design that is much more active than some other options available today. Even before riding the shock it was pretty clear that the level of sensitivity that the Dueler has is impressive. Only the slightest touch of the saddle is all that's needed to get the shock to enter its travel slightly. So the shock is active, but how does it perform when pushed hard? Sitting on the bike at the top of the hill had me believing that I would need to jump up a spring rate in order to keep from blowing through the travel too often, or dial in too much compression damping which is something that I always try to avoid which can have a negative effect overall. There is also the option of closing down the volume on the piggyback via the bottom out control. After a few runs that got progressively quicker, it was clear that although I was using a lot of sag, I hadn't yet felt a definite firm bottom.

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The Dueler's volume adjust doesn't require any tools - just strong fingers.

The Dueler feels basically stictionless and gives an incredibly active ride when you have little to no low speed compression dialed on. This can be both good and bad depending on your bike and terrain. It must certainly provide an advantage when speaking of traction when things are loose, wet, or at any time really, but I'd imagine that bikes that already pedal badly with a standard shock fitted could be a bit of trouble with a Dueler mounted up. I also found that you need to be careful regarding rebound speed as it seemed that the Dueler benefited from a slightly faster setting that helped when I wanted to 'lift' the bike to change lines or cross over sections lightly. This may be because of the active nature of the shock when compared to the stock damper that offered more of a 'platform' to push against. Both low and high speed compression dials have a noticeable effect on the stroke, although after tinkering for a bit I ended up with both the low and high speed adjustments most of the way out. I would have liked to see both dials easier to turn though, they are quite stiff.

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Rough and fast corners like this is where the Dueler shines

The Dueler is very impressive at a quick pace over nasty terrain. It literally levels roots and steps in the trail, so much that I actually had to stop to double check my tire pressure. Sharp and quick impacts that result in high shaft speeds were dealt with efficiently and in a manner that didn't upset the bike. The Dueler's performance in this regard when compared back to back against the OEM shock was eye opening to say the least. The bike seemed to carry speed better over this sort of terrain with the Diverse shock mounted because of this. The shock also had a predictable and controlled feeling to it no matter if the bike was coming off of a steep lip or pointed down near vertical terrain. Despite the extra sag I was running, I found that it didn't result in that dreaded wallowing feel that can take the momentum out of your run quickly. Although this could certainly be down to the bike's design, the fact that the shock could be so active yet not suck the life out of a bike as it exits a corner is first rate.


bigquotesThe Dueler is very impressive at a quick pace over nasty terrain. It literally levels roots and steps in the trail, so much that I actually had to stop to double check my tire pressure - Mike Levy


When I talked to riders about the Dueler I made sure to mention the price first, which was usually met with smirk that summed up their feelings about reliability and performance. I'm happy to say that the Diverse shock managed to prove those people wrong and has been not only performing on par or better than anything else available, but has also been even more reliable than the competition and hiccup free to this day. The Dueler has shown to be a great alternative to the usual options and I wouldn't hesitate to recommend it to any rider who is looking for an active shock that they want to be able to self service or tune. Once the impressive price is also factored in it's hard to beat.

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31 Comments
  • 3 0
 i have had this shock for around a month.bought it to replace my van rc and my dhx 4 which snapped and it wipes the floor with them its smooth and once you get it set up right you dont feel a thing.i know what he means with the tire pressure ive looked down before to see if its still up ha
  • 2 0
 been thinking for some time now on a new shock for my devinci ollie 2006... my manitou swinger 6-way feels great on hardcore trails, has a kind of a platform so it's cute for road-riding as well (yes, i did that with the devinci as well Big Grin ). could somebody that already owns a diverse shock tell me if the dueler would be good for me? the ollie has FSR suspension so it's good for pedaling, but i don't know how much exactly the present shock's platform is responsible for the good pedaling. i ride everything with my bike - XC, AM, FR and occasionally some DH, road riding very rearly.
as for the review - sounds pretty dope, looks great, price is great, only thing that bugs me is the "no platform" thing.
  • 4 0
 Platform damping isn't the be all and end all of suspension design. Designed and implemented properly (ala long travel off road cars etc) it's fantastic, but unfortunately the majority of MTB shocks it's featured on aren't and instead produce noticeable stiction and harshness which is a shame. Even the 'Pro Pedal' feature of the DHX5.0 merely blocks oil flow across the range of motion (as it has no BOV). The great thing about a shock such as this is that it can be easily re-shimmed to suit your chosen riding. I am currently running a DHX5.0 with the PP removed but reshimmed for my aggressive style and liking for a stiff bike. Thus it has a lot of low speed shims to prevent bob whilst the second stage of the stack for high speed is also considerably beefed up. If you know what you're doing you can have a play around with this yourself or pass it to a tuner who can do it for you. What I like about this shock is the supposed ease of getting spare parts so that some of us are able to rebuild the shock ourselves - something that Fox makes very difficult with a number of 'Service Centre Only' items like wiper seals etc. If it works well and is reliable then it's a very good buy for the price although of course feel is very much subjective and what works well for one person may not work well for another - timing shocks back to back is a good way of measuring this and providing a bench mark for the setup to be compared against.
  • 6 1
 no shock ...... but Lifetime warranty (excluding wear and tear) is Big +
  • 7 0
 Ive had mine for a little wile now. Really good shock. Turned the ride into something seriously enjoyable compared to my old one. But i dont think the hi/lo dials are heavy to adjust as mentioned. I feel they are just as they should be.

What shock is the original on it? If it is the rc4 there is huge difference from that to the dueler. The rc4 has lots more air comp in it so you would normally have to go up 50lbs on the spring rate on any other shock than the rc4.
  • 2 0
 I am very impressed... and even considering getting it when i need a new shock over the rc4.
  • 2 1
 i may just be having a stupid moment but what is likely to go wrong with a shock that isn't a service item
  • 1 0
 You mean like blowing seals? I've cracked eyelets before, damaged shafts from rocks and bent resorvoir bodies in crashes when they're in an exposed position on a frame. They're pretty rare things to do though, generally seals & shims are all that you need on a normal basis for a service.
  • 2 0
 The thing that blowed my mind away the first time i tested the shock on my local dh track was. I remembered before i got to a section that is a fast section with allot of big rocks that with the rc4 i really felt those rocks, almost like the shock stiffened up under sudden hard bumps. But when i got there with the new shock on the bike they suddenly did not feel like rocks any more. And i got so much more traction on the rooty sections with turns.

Its just so super sensitive and keeps the wheel planted at all times for maximum traction. And works really well on drops. But adjust the prc accordingly to your riding style. If you only do big hucks and such do add more bottom out pressure via the air valve or by adjusting + on the prc knob. But like me i have it all the way of, as a more dh race setting.
  • 2 1
 So Suspension Werx did my shock up and Ive put 5 days or so in the park and its good to go now. Very active, tracks really well and ramps great. My favorite part is how well the rebound damping works. Keep in mind, the shock out of the box WILL heat up and lose damping if you put it on a higher leverage ratio bike. Even on a hand dyno, the stock valving was losing consistency. I would say out of the box the shock is comparable to a vivid with A tune.
  • 1 0
 Hi just stumbled across this review, I'm the UK Distributor for the Dueler. I have just got through a new version of the Dueler that addresses the issue with the rebound being too quick for some people when run with heavier spring rates, if any of the UK guys have any queries drop me a line. Cheers Simon
  • 2 0
 I know this is old. But the newer dueler shocks got delivered with better rebound adjustment that the first one. Initially they changed out the rebound needle for a longer one so you get more out of the rebound adjustment. Not necessary on lower leverage frames but the more heavier riders or frames with higher leverage would benefit on this upgrade. But the new needle comes standard on all dueler shocks now.
  • 3 0
 Finally an honest suspension company comes and throws a wrench in the game. I hope they do well , it will change the industry.
  • 2 1
 Sounds like a good shock, but I'd like to know if custom tuning is available when purchasing. Their website doesn't really provide any info on that. From what I gather in the review, it sounds like the shock tested wasn't tuned correctly. You shouldn't have to run the adjustments almost wide open in order to get the right feel. Ideally, I would think that, when tuned correctly, the adjustments should be set close to the middle of their range, allowing the rider more room to fine tune the adjustments to get the right feel.
  • 1 0
 Oh, don't forget these are the guys to buy Ti springs from. They've got one of the very best selection of sizes and spring rates, and I'm pretty sure they got the lowest prices to boot. My friend couldn't find the right size/rate for his bike, until I clued him into DSP last winter. He ended up ordering one spring for each of his bikes. 2 springs for $400 can't be beat, and he's very happy with the springs.
  • 1 0
 I've got mine for awhile now and couldn't be more happy with it (especially considering the price tag). It is super active and very progressive, to be honest I haven't bottomed it out yet.
  • 1 0
 i wnt one. looks and sounds so simple to adjust wen i com to changing my fox dhx5 i tink this will be the one i get.
  • 1 0
 anyone else waiting for the guys glasses to start glowing blue and him rave?
  • 1 0
 Anyone running one of these on a Sunday? could it be set up to ramp up enough to work on a sunday??
  • 1 0
 "Lifetime warranty on shock (excluding wear and tear)"

try open www.dsp-racing.com

)))))
  • 7 6
 a month ago I tried to buy one but they didn't answer my emails...
  • 2 0
 Ive read that one. And some of what he is saying i dont understand. And i dont think his review is a proper one either. But i guess people have different opinions on stuff.
  • 1 0
 I wonder how it would work for an M6?
  • 1 0
 I think it would work really well on a m6. I have a Banshee legend with a dueler. And i am nothing but satisfied with it. And the m6 has a somewhat same prinsipal link system(vpp) Even though the upper link on the legend i horizontal. But either way. You cant go wrong with the dueler shock. I would rather say you will be much more happy with the Dueler shock than your current Revox shock.
  • 1 0
 and this shock compared to the elka.. ?
  • 1 0
 The Elka i have no experience with. But ive heard it has slightly more compression compared to the dueler. What i am meaning it is not as small bump sensitive as the dueler. But would need to personally test it to verify that. But i am not lying when i am saying this. The dueler is seriously smallbump sensitive. Takes all the uneven and flats it out.
  • 1 0
 hmm i am setting up my shock somewhat the same.. as plush as possible..
if it does nog give me what i want i will look into these..

ps whats with the post saying he had to rebuild his shock when it came in new >>???
7 posts above.. /\ /\
  • 1 0
 This i have not experienced. Have sold a couple already and people are most satisfied with it. Have also dismantled mine more than once. And all seems to have great quality. Dont think they put the lifetime warranty for nothing. Maybe his was a faulty one. I dont know.
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