EXCLUSIVE: DVO Emerald Inverted DH Fork - First Look

Nov 13, 2012
by Mike Levy  
 
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It has been a quick seven months since DVO, short for Developed Suspension, was formed after Bryson Martin and engineer Josh Baltaxe departed from Marzocchi. Bryson, who has been in the suspension game for 23 years, quickly began outlining a plan to offer something different than what consumers may be used to, not just from a product standpoint, but from a company approach that contrasts with what many have come to expect. ''I really wanted to do it right, so we needed everything all under one roof and that’s what we have accomplished,'' declares Martin. ''Now that all the ideas, designing, and engineering all happen in one place, it’s a lot easier to set goals and execute on them.'' It wasn't long before both Tom Rogers (product development) and Ronnie Dilan (head technician) left Marzocchi to join Martin and Baltaxe and plans were laid for DVO's debut fork. Whereas the current major suspension players all offer a massive range of products to choose from, DVO plans on producing a limited selection of high-end products, beginning with the 203mm travel, inverted Emerald shown here on Pinkbike for the first time.


We know the benefits to an upside down fork and it's been a very long time since a company brought an inverted fork to market. We wanted to make a statement by executing it when other companies couldn't.
- Bryson Martin, DVO








While this is the very first complete Emerald to be assembled, each of the fork's different elements have been tested in some way during development. The Emerald's open bath twin tube damper system, for example, was surely put through real world testing while hidden within another fork maker's chassis, likely making its way down trails and past other riders without anyone taking notice. Martin is understandably coy about what fork the damper was trialled in, but he did reveal that early versions of the Emerald were coil sprung prior to the air spring system being developed. The fork shown here, as well the production model, will make use of an air spring, and DVO is also looking at including an adjustable volume feature that will allow riders to tailor the fork's ramp-up through its stroke. Interestingly, it will employ a coil negative spring that will have an adjustable preload component to let Emerald owners adjust the fork's initial stroke.




  • Emerald Details

  • Intended use: DH/FR
  • Design: Inverted
  • Travel: 203mm/8''
  • Stanchions: 36mm w/ molybdenum disulphide
    coating

  • Upper tubes: 43 - 41mm tapered 7000 series
    aluminum
  • Steerer tube: 1 1/8th straight or tapered
    options
  • CTA: One-piece Carbon Torsion Arch acts as
    stanchion guard/fender while increasing
    torsional rigidity by a claimed 50%
  • Fork crowns: Forged and CNC machined.
    Separate crowns for 26'' and 650B-sized
    wheels to preserve trail geometry, direct mount
    stem compatible
  • Spring: Air
  • Damper: Twin-tube open bath design
  • External damper adjustments: Separate low
    and high-speed compression/rebound
  • Negative spring: Coil w/ adjustable preload
  • Target weight: 2,900 - 3,000 grams/6.4 - 6.6lb
  • Availability: June/July of 2013
  • MSRP: To be announced




Inverted Design

The DVO team knew they wanted to pursue an inverted layout for the Emerald due to the design's lighter un-sprung weight, consistent lubrication qualities, and ease of compatibility with non-26'' wheel sizes. And while those points are certainly all valid, there is a reason the large majority of suspension forks on the market employ a traditional right-side-up layout: torsional rigidity, or rather the inherent lack of it in an inverted design. Inverted forks are ubiquitous in the motorized off-road world, as proponents of the design are quick to point out, although it could just as easily be argued that weight is much less of a concern on a dirt bike, therefore allowing for massive tube diameters, thicker tube walls, and burly crown and axle clamps, all features that make for a much stiffer (and heavier) fork. But even when similar methods are applied to the front end of a mountain bike, the result can't approach the outright stiffer design of a right-side-up fork. Is that necessarily a bad thing, though? ''Compliance on a mountain bike can be a great advantage but it must be in the right locations,'' says DVO's Bryson Martin. ''As more DH and Enduro frames are made from carbon where stiffness is generally accepted, the suspension must become more compliant - structurally and hydraulically - to optimize the entire bike.''


We feel that the industry puts too much emphasis on stiffness in general. Stiffer doesn't always mean better.
- Bryson Martin, DVO
The general consensus for most mountain bikers, though, is that one's front-end can never be too torsionally rigid - it is a mantra that has been drilled home thanks in large part to manufacturers claiming massive gains in stiffness with every new product. But is stiffer actually better? There is certainly a point where too much torsional flex will begin to have a very negative effect on performance, making for vague and unsettling handling but, as Martin alludes to, just the right amount of torsional compliance can also allow the front wheel to track more smoothly on rough ground, something that designers at the top flight of MotoGP, among other sports, have known about for many years. It is a little known fact that, during testing, one downhilling’s most successful racers actually cut the arch off of his right-side-up fork in a search for more torsional compliance! So, if a given amount of torsional compliance can be an advantage, the question remains: how to tune-in the desired amount without creating an overweight fork? DVO's answer lies in their proprietary Carbon Torsion Arch, or CTA for short.











Carbon Torsion Arch

Likely the biggest talking point of the Emerald will no doubt be the carbon fiber, bolt-on CTA unit that serves to not only protect the stanchions from damage and as a fender, but also to tie the lower legs together to increase torsional rigidity by a claimed 50% over the same Emerald fork without the CTA in place. The basic idea isn't new - riders who have been in the sport since the mid-90s will likely recall the inverted, elastomer-sprung and air-damped Halson fork that had its lowers joined together via a brace that traveled vertically by way of slots machined into the fork's uppers. The CTA's execution looks to be much more impressive, but we'll need some trail-time on the Emerald to see just how effective it actually is.




The unit features a unique core (Martin was reluctant to share certain details at this point in time) within its otherwise full carbon fiber construction, with the design said to resist torsional loads while still being light, strong, and durable. DVO isn't simply trying to add as much rigidity as possible by incorporating the CTA unit, though, with Martin stating that ''This design will still offer some pliability, especially useful in rough, straight line sections, while providing stiffness in corners.'' A number of different CTA elements are in testing that use varying carbon layups with an eye toward a final design that offers the rigidity and balance DVO is looking for. The idea for the bolt-on carbon element came about well into the fork's development; DVO was investigating how axle size and shape factored in long before the Carbon Torsion Arch was added to the Emerald's spec sheet. Interestingly, the idea of a hex-shaped axle (much liked those utilized on Manitou forks) was nixed when DVO found that increasing the overall clamping surface area of the axle proved to be a more efficient way to control slipping and flex. No, you won't find some oddball-sized axle utilized on the Emerald, but rather a very stout looking 20mm setup.


Being competitive in weight is definitely high on the list, but performance, reliability, and strength was more important for us, especially for the kind of abuse a suspension fork endures. 2,900 - 3000 grams is our target and we hope we are close but, more importantly, we want people to be stoked on the performance, adjustability, and durability of the fork.
- Bryson Martin, DVO
There is no denying that the Carbon Torsion Arch concept is a clever way to go about increasing torsional rigidity without adding too much weight - DVO claims that it should only add about 200 grams to the package - but the question remains as to why such a design hasn't yet been put to use in the motocross or enduro realms. If the CTA unit is as effective as DVO asserts we may see it pop up in other places as well, including an inverted single crown fork further down the road, although that could be a ways out at this point. “We always want to look at each project individually and design a product that is optimized for its specific use.'' Martin continues, ''It follows our plan to stay focused and not just throw gizmos and features into a product that ultimately drives up cost and over complicates things for the end user.''

DVO Emerald dropouts
  The Emerald uses a traditional 20mm thru-axle that requires tools to remove. You won't find any funky quick release axles or strange locking methods here.


Twin Tube Damper

The two most common damper layouts currently being employed within forks are either a sealed cartridge layout (FOX with their FIT cartridges, and RockShox, who turn the stanchion tube into the cartridge body) or an open bath cartridge (ala Marzocchi), with advantages and disadvantages to both designs when it comes to performance and weight. The Emerald doesn't make use of either one, though, instead employing an open bath twin tube layout that DVO feels is much better suited to long travel applications. ''A pure open bath system can have issues with aeration and cavitation, as well as having too much oil that adds unnecessary weight,'' Martin says. ''Twin tubes solve those issues, keeping damping consistent and oil volume to a minimum.'' And while damper design is a topic that often results in endless arguments as to what actually does function best, the twin tube system is is found within some of the most acclaimed off-road moto suspension designs, especially those created by a certain highly rated Swedish company. A moto-inspired philosophy is one that rings true through much of DVO's thinking.

DVO Emerald damper
  The fork's base valve and rebound assembly, complete with mid-valve (left). Tom Rogers shows off the fully assembled twin tube damper body (right).

While DVO is adamant that the open design of their twin tube damper makes the most sense for a pure DH fork, we might see something entirely different utilized within any shorter travel forks they may or may not produce down the road. According to Bryson, “ There is more of an advantage to running a closed system on a fork with less than 160mm of travel compared to using the same system on a fork with 203mm of travel.." This train of thought is in contrast to some other suspension companies who employ the same basic damper philosophy throughout their high-end fork lineup, be it a cross-country or longer stroke downhill offering.


When it comes to damping, it isn't about reinventing what has been proven in other areas, but about delivering value and performance to the end user, without the gizmos and hard to service designs.
- Bryson Martin, DVO
The twin tube, open bath damper is exactly as its name would have you believe, with a secondary tube that sits within the fork. The damper piston travels up and down within this tube, but as opposed to it being sealed, oil ports on the wall of the tube allow damping oil to circulate between the inner and outer tubes, and through the valving. This layout should result in less cavitation (the formation of bubbles and foaming of oil under hard use), making for more consistent damping, and an optimized oil level that also acts as lubrication to keep the fork cycling smoothy through its stroke. Enclosed in the damper body is DVO's 'Emerald Valve', otherwise known as the piston. DVO has gone to great lengths to create a piston that permits a lot of oil flow via smooth, open porting. This lets them control the fork's damping characteristics with more shims than would otherwise be required of a lower-flow piston, the advantage of this being a large degree of tuning by way of using more and different shims. The fork also uses shimmed rebound damping as opposed to a ported system, which is what some other suspension companies employ. Ported damping refers to oil flow through small holes, known as ports. One potential issue with ported damping is that at times oil simply cannot flow fast enough through the ports when required, resulting in very inconsistent damping. Shimmed rebound, on the other hand, allows for the same dynamic damping (the shims flex more or less depending on the forces involved) as found on the high-speed compression side of the piston.

DVO Emerald damper
  The Emerald's adjustment dials are sturdy aluminum units that are clearly labeled. Separate low and high-speed rebound is adjusted atop the right leg, while separate low and high-speed compression can be tuned via two dials at the opposite end.


User Tuneable Damper

The moto-inspired approach continues with DVO's decision to not only allow Emerald owners access to the entire damper assembly, but actually encouraging them to try their hand at tuning it. This is the exact opposite strategy that most suspension companies within the mountain bike world have taken throughout the sport's history (Manitou is an exception, though, with their Absolute Plus Tuning kit), with many riders being downright scared of opening up their fork or shock as a result. Yes, a certain amount of knowledge and skill are required, not to mention the correct tools for the job, but it is far from being rocket science. DVO will offer not only tuning kits, complete with shim layout suggestions and the expected results, but also on-line videos that will guide owners through the process. Taking it a step further, they also plan to hold in-house tech seminars for those who really want to jump into the deep end of tuning.

DVO Base Valve damper


Since we rely heavily on piston and shim stacks to handle our damping, we have designed our pistons to be easily accessed so individual shim stack tuning can happen. Once the rider becomes comfortable with working on the suspension, it is very interesting to test different settings tailored to specific riding areas and skill level. We are committed to teaching riders all about suspension and we will provide a lot of information on how to tune our products so you can become your own suspension tuning guru!
- Bryson Martin, DVO


Further helping matters is the Emerald's 'bottom loader' base valve that should allow owners to make changes to the damper without having to perform a full rebuild. Simply flip the fork (or bike) upside down, unscrew the compression base valve from the bottom of the fork leg, and pull it out. Minimal, if any, oil loss should occur. All dials are contained on the assembly, meaning that you won't have to fiddle with near-microscopic set screws or any tiny indexing ball bearings or springs. We've long said that most mountain bike suspension companies seem to go out of their way to make damper service and tuning a huge hassle, and it is a breath of fresh air to hear DVO's approach - garage tinkerers rejoice.




Titanium Collet Clamps

All current double crown forks in the MTB and the MX world utilize some sort of pinch-bolt system to hold the upper tubes in place, but DVO is considering a different method: collets. The collet system used on the Emerald consists of tube sections with vertical splines and an external wedge shape. Tightening a threaded ring (with the required spanner wrench) that is positioned above pulls the section upwards, locking the fork tube in place due to the wedge-shaped internal profile of the section. It is very similar to what is used to hold tool bits securely into high rpm machines (drills and CNC machines for example), although this would be the first time that a collet setup has been put to use to hold fork tubes in place. One upside of the collet design is the large and even clamping force it provides, but the system could also result in a lighter overall package compared to the more common pinch bolt arrangement. While all of the above sounds good on paper, and the design should present no technical issues due to the robust upper tubes of the Emerald fork, production costs may keep the collet clamping system from reaching production. If so, a standard pinch bolt design will likely be used on 2014 model year forks, with DVO hoping to put the collet system to use on 2015 products.



26'' and 650B-specific Crowns

While we're seeing 650B wheels infiltrate the mid-travel full suspension market at an alarming rate, the 26'' wheel is still firmly entrenched within the longer-travel downhill scene. That very well could change in the near future, though, and DVO plans to be ready for the shift. The Emerald's inverted design lends itself to being compatible across a number of wheel sizes by way of different fork crowns, with each setup optimized to preserve the same trail geometry, and therefore handling, across the board. Trail refers to the measurement aft of the steering axis that is created by the fork offset, head angle, and wheel size - a larger trail figure can improve high-speed stability, while less trail can create a more nimble handling bike. Messing with trail figures can have very adverse effects on how a bike handles, so it is vital
that the number remains largely unchanged, a trick that employing differently offset fork crowns on an inverted chassis can accomplish. The 650B fork crowns will be slightly taller to handle the larger diameter wheel, as will the Carbon Torsion Arch unit. DVO is undecided as to if they will offer 650B conversion crowns and the CTA as an aftermarket item for the Emerald, but we're betting that we'll see them at some point in the future as the 'tweener wheels make their way onto true downhill race bikes. There is no word as to if DVO will offer a set of crowns and CTA that would allow 29'' wheels to be fitted, although if that did happen we would also expect the fork's travel to be docked slightly.

DVO Emerald assembly
  Head engineer Josh Baltaxe, along with Bryson Martin Jr., begin assembling the very first Emerald fork at Suntour's headquarters. Having the Taiwanese company's manufacturing and testing clout behind them should allow DVO to evolve relatively quickly.

DVO team
  The DVO team, from left: Bryson Martin Sr. - president and founder, Josh Baltaxe - mechanical engineer, carbon and structural specialist, Tom Rogers - product development.
DVO team
  Ronnie Dilan - head technician, JP - general manager, Bryson Martin Jr. - testing,


Shots Fired

While DVO is just now assembling their first complete Emerald forks, and production units aren't slated for release until Summer of 2013, we feel that there is a lot to look forward to from the newly formed company. Bryson Martin and his team are responsible for much of Marzocchi's most successful products, but moved on as the landscape of the Italian company began to shift. ''We spent decades at Marzocchi, and they were a major player for a long time,'' says Martin of the Italian company's glory days. ''Things started going sideways with Marzocchi many years ago, though. These were issues outside of our control and we just held in there until we couldn’t anymore.'' It is still very early days, but Martin's separation from Marzocchi may have spawned a new suspension authority, one that aims to respond to what many consumers have been requesting for years: reliable suspension that is not only easy to work on and understand, but that also looks to mimic much of the principles found in the moto domain. And yes, it will be available in colours other than green.

Carbon fiber upper tubes and crown? The clamps are currently not a one piece unit, but we are working on it for a future version. A one piece carbon assembly involves a lot of testing, and it is something that we don't want to rush into.
- Bryson Martin, DVO

Only time will tell if DVO's approach to high-end suspension will culminate in a winning product, but they certainly look to be on the right track. The Emerald may still be in the early stages of its evolution, but Martin is already talking up a version of the fork that will use a one piece carbon fiber upper assembly, not to mention the possibility of an inverted single crown fork added to the lineup. A rear shock is also being developed concurrently with the Emerald fork, and there is no doubt that it will carry the same moto-inspired DNA. No, DVO may not be looking to take a share of the large entry and mid-level suspension market, but it's fair to say that the reigning suspension powers are likely looking over their shoulder when it comes to their high-end offerings. We'd by lying if we said we aren't looking forward to seeing them rock the boat. Exciting times ahead.

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951 Comments

  • + 379
 Shut up and take my money!
  • + 38
 Or White Brothers.
  • + 94
 "it's been a very long time since a company brought an inverted fork to market"

the dorado has been around for years.

I think they are pointing their fingers at Rockshox, Fox & Marzocchi.

These do look badass. Hope they are gonna be good!
  • + 145
 We have definitely heard of those guys and have a lot of respect for them! The Dorado was first introduced around 2000, in fact Tom Rogers who is one of my engineers worked on the Dorado project. It was revamped around 2005 or 2006 and is a great fork but there is a lot of new manufacturing technologies available that can really make inverted forks hold their own to conventional designs from a structural stand point. I have nothing but great things to say about Avalanche, Manitou, and White Bros.
  • + 27
 @DVOSuspension

awesome news..and congrats on hiring Ronnie and Tom:- fantastic technical people with great customer service attitudes

I met Ronnie on the sea-to-sky highway bus to Whistler, and once in the resort, he was super helpful with some issues on my Marzocchi 888 RC fork.

Also got to meet Tom and found his knowledge second-to-none!


best of luck to all at DVO suspension and great to see a new player in the mountain bike suspension market
  • + 13
 "any shorter travel forks they may or may not produce down the road"
Please? Pretty please?
  • + 30
 Maybe a shorter travel version, but we need to make sure it does the job!
  • + 202
 Im throwing money at the screen but nothings happening.
  • + 3
 Too bad I don't ride DH so I can't have one of these forks
  • + 104
 Enduro forks and shocks coming soon!
  • + 12
 A DJ inverted fork in some far future? that would be sick
  • + 29
 functionality, durability and easy to use..adjustments that are also effective, payable price and good customer service...thats all we want...weight? dont care, i am not a pro anyway, i just want to have fun...stiffness? as long as its enough to keep the wheel on path i want to go, no care...looks? always a matter of taste, IMO irrelevant, function before looks...i think DVO is following those steps, i would consider buying it..
  • + 16
 Thanks pperini, we are focused on function and performance and we will have a lot of technical info on how to tune and service our products.
  • + 6
 really wish you guys the best and lookin forward to getting my ride to be "always extra smooth". hope all your offerings will be in green. pretty cool signature color. green with envy
  • + 5
 Thanks full bug, really appreciate the support!
  • + 4
 Maybe a green rear shock to compliment the front end? Big Grin
  • + 28
 How did you know?
  • - 11
 Or Stratos suspension, or avalanche suspension?
  • + 37
 I love how DVO just jumps in on the conversations!
  • + 19
 We are trying!
  • + 19
 If you don't have any team riders yet, I'm available. Cough, lol
  • + 33
 As long as you don't eat much we can talk! Send in your resume to ronnied@dvosuspension.com
  • + 6
 A inverted DJ fork would be sooooo cool
  • + 2
 So open, I adore you guys. I totally mentioned DVO when I did my interview for a business college last month.
Beer
Don't think I have enough of a racing career to speak of, yet.

Fab
  • + 15
 No worries, you don't need to be a racer just a connoisseur of fine suspension!
  • + 2
 And that sir I most certainly am.....Make one that matches renthal fatbars and I'll be sold. Then my session will look even more moto than now
  • + 1
 Wow! Way to knock it out of the park. Can't wait to bolt one of these to my V10.
  • + 1
 is green gonna be THE DVO colour or will I find a nice red set appearing ??
  • - 22
 I think you have the time frame of the revised Manitou Dorado incorrect, in fact, I know you have it incorrect. The new Dorado came to market in 2010 (not 2005/2006 as you noted) in very small quantities, it then had some updates in 2011 which is pretty much the fork you get now.
  • + 14
 Quite possible, we were referencing Tom who worked for Manitou for over a decade. They did come out with the carbon Dorado but discontinued it, either way, the Dorado is a great fork and no one at DVO is saying anything negative about them.
  • + 3
 DVO, if you are gonna make an USD DJ fork in the future, please make sure it'll be footjam-able. A traditional design would IMO be a better idea for dirt jumping though because for that application weight&stiffness comes before an extremely plush feel.
  • - 34
 I think it looks ugly. Sorry. But its good to see a new company on the market.
  • + 2
 You said enduro shocks coming soon, hopefully you guys can be flexible with sizing, right now on my 2011 Specialized Enduro I only have one choice, would love totry something else.
  • + 1
 Is there any chance of implementing a bit of travel adjustment? I'd LOVE to put a pair of these on my 7" travel Morewood Kalula, but not keen on upsetting the balance between front and rear. I've had White Bros. and Shivers on bikes in the past, great to see a new pair of UD forks. Best of luck with it!
  • + 3
 Oh, and I love the colour. They'd look great on a (my) black bike!
  • + 7
 @ DVO
After some deliberation, I actually shot over an email. This should be funny
  • - 1
 any word on the cost
  • + 1
 Do they come in different colors???
  • + 4
 Article says yes!
  • + 1
 Looks really good! Hope to see a single crown 160 version!!!!
  • + 4
 @DVO

I know you mentioned some other brands and there existent / non existent inverted forks......

I am wondering if you have spent any time on the KOWA fork, or know anything about it's damping system.

I rode one living in BC and the fact that you can compress the fork to any length and lock it out to only have as much travel as compressed is pretty amazing.
Regards
  • + 7
 We will offer the Emerald in black also.
  • + 1
 So jazzed on these. I had a set of Magura/Rond Big Ego's for a couple years and although they weighed a brutal amount and were crazy unreliable (A lot of oil behind very bad seals with gravity assisting it's pouring out...) the difference in unsprung weight and general suppleness of the forks was second to none. Very excited for a new upside down design for the AM market.
  • + 6
 WOULD BE SICK IN RED.
  • + 7
 The first few paragraphs into this article, I was thinking "It's a very nice looking fork that I'm sure will work great, but really how much can a new fork do for one's riding."
Then I saw the philosophy about consumers working on the forks and thought "Hmm, that is an idea I want to support."
Finally I saw DVOsuspension reply to all comments on their article I'll be walking away from this article with a "I want to support this company" mentality.
It will depend on cost on weather or not I actually can support DVO - a student's salary doesn't really call for new, high end components - but I really hope your company finds success upon production.
  • - 12
 I'm not trying to be a dick, but I think by pretending that you don't know what your main competition is doing (Manitou Dorado being an inverted fork like yours), you are at best being a little childish and at worst being disrespectful.

For the record, the Dorado Carbon came out in 2009 (super small quantities available), then in 2010 the Dorado Pro came out (7050 aluminum), at a weight difference of .1 (point one) pounds, the Carbon was rendered obsolete with the aluminum version being almost $1000 less and much stiffer than the carbon. For 2013 there will be a less expensive version called the Dorado Expert (6000 series aluminum) which should compete on price with the Boxxer R2C2.

I hope this little bit of information about Manitou will help you guys at DVO understand what your competition is doing in the market.
  • - 8
 Sorry but i bont understand.....
so much complicated-pointless design,just take a hi end moto fork(like ohlins) and scale it down...

I know you going to say that Bicycles are different,bla bla bla...

Just to remind you that cane creek did that and came up with the best Rear shock on the market.-
  • + 5
 I just like the fact that they are willing to reply to all of the comments and deliver some info on future products and have a genuine concern about the possible consumer questions. Customer service is where it's at. DVO, you guys are on the right track as far as I am concerned. (Not that I am anyone special.)
  • + 4
 @ Tonestar

"Better to appear an idiot, than to open your mouth an remove all doubt"

As was mentioned in the article, and in several other comments by DVO, the Dorado came out in 2000--manitou didn't make significant changes when they re-introduced it. Same deal. So their assertion that no other major companies (i.e. doesn't include white bros) have come out with an inverted fork is completely factual.

This is an incredibly refreshing article, and exactly what I want to see from the bike industry. Box one: PR/Marketing/Value prop = checked. Next box: reliability and user reviews. Pulling for these guys to hit that one too!
  • + 5
 Sounds like DVO needs to sponsor a WC team now.
  • + 3
 Exellent fork.But where are the British fork designers?we seem to be lacking in the suspension side of the mountainbike world.Frown
  • + 7
 Green is a DVO color but we will have options. Murdered out black with green decals is next.
  • + 3
 No worries and appreciate the honesty!
  • + 3
 We got your email and thanks for taking the time to hit us up! Feedback is important.
  • + 2
 We have spent some time on a Kowa and its a sweet fork.
  • + 2
 Thanks and we feel the same! Cheers DVO.
  • + 2
 Thanks for the kind words! We really care about what people are saying and take all the feedback good and bad as constructive. It only will help us build better products.
  • + 2
 Thanks man and we will do our best to keep up with all the comments!
  • + 2
 Thanks for the support!
  • + 5
 Find us a Brit engineer and he's hired!
  • + 2
 i wish you guys the best of luck, time to go head to head with the big guys. it sounds like you guys are aiming at the regular joe schmo and not so much the wc level rider. thanks for that.
  • + 5
 Uhhhh, but how many seals have you replaced on a Manitou? How many times have you rebuilt or replaced your Manitou? Yeah... That's a problem. Bring on the Shiver remake, please!
  • - 2
 Love the idea, hate the colour. Not sure about that lower leg guard/brace thingy. I think it looks a bit shit in the photos but maybe better in the flesh.

I love the look of my Rockshox Totem so much I would put one on any bike I owned between 150 and 250mm of travel. This is the first twin crown DH fork I've seen that I think I might buy when I put a proper DH bike together. I hate the look of RWU double crown forks. Compared to the world of motorbikes, they look so shit.

It's all about USD for me when I think about double crown forks.

DVO good luck with it. This product looks like it breaks the mold (something X-fusion have so far only threatened to do). Id like to see a coil sprung version, and coming from Marzocchi you must now a thing or two about titanium spring suppliers. Having said that, I am not likely to buy this fork in the next two years at least, if ever, so don't make any business decisions in light of any of my comments! If I were in the market for a twin crown DH fork, I would be choosing between this and the Dorado.
  • + 5
 [quote] Not sure about that lower leg guard/brace thingy. I think it looks a bit shit in the photos but maybe better in the flesh.[/quote]

you do know its there for a reason, right? not just for aesthetics...
  • + 1
 Im British and an engineer haha, however my background is more oil industry not suspension unfortunately. Frown
  • + 3
 uhm, @baxterbike the new Dorado is a completely different fork than the old one, its 36mm compared to the old 30 and 32mm, twin tube damper and air sprung, go read some magazines or dare i say a website kid
  • + 1
 I might just have to send in a resume too. Smile
  • + 1
 i wouldnt mind a sponsorship or to help test...
  • + 4
 With all the positive attention this fork is getting How long until FOX re-think their shelving of the USD fork they tested at the Wyndham WC and decide 'why, yes there is a market and we will release it....'

Same could also be said for Marzocchi who might change their mind about their comment at inter bike about their new fork not being a re-release of the shiver.

Finally a company who realizes that a little give (flex) in a fork is not the evil its made out to be. Hell, 99% of people couldn't detect the flex in shivers they were just jumping on the bandwagon with the few pro's who said they could feel it. And weight? I'd rather a slightly heavier fork that works well than a light one that asks questions when pushed hard... All my mates who have ridden my '03 Shivers down our local trails have commented they wish their forks felt as smooth and supple (and they are currently riding 888RC2X's, Fox 40RC2's, WC Boxxers to name but a few).
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 Get in line guys! I asked first
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 I'd take a USD fork 500g heavier on looks alone. I wouldn;' touch a supermoto with RWU forks!
  • + 2
 Skoootur, the owner of one of my LBSs fitted new 2011 88 internals into his '03 Shiver and says it is the greatest fork he has ever ridden (and I imagine he gets to test a wide selection). I have no idea if it is difficult or expensive to to this, but you might want to give it a go if you love the Shiver but want modern technology.
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 "I'm not trying to be a dick, but I think by pretending that you don't know what your main competition is doing (Manitou Dorado being an inverted fork like yours), you are at best being a little childish and at worst being disrespectful.

For the record, the Dorado Carbon came out in 2009 (super small quantities available), then in 2010 the Dorado Pro came out (7050 aluminum), at a weight difference of .1 (point one) pounds, the Carbon was rendered obsolete with the aluminum version being almost $1000 less and much stiffer than the carbon. For 2013 there will be a less expensive version called the Dorado Expert (6000 series aluminum) which should compete on price with the Boxxer R2C2.

I hope this little bit of information about Manitou will help you guys at DVO understand what your competition is doing in the market."

Reposted for truth and accuracy, something the marketing homers at "DVO" seem to be lacking.
www.pinkbike.com/u/baxterbike DVOSuspension, you could at least make your own arguments instead of creating alternate accounts.
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 ^^^ it sounds like we a have a a dude with more experience than bryson martin and the guys in suspension marketing.......rofl
  • + 1
 @valtra. "I have no idea if it is difficult or expensive to to this". My guess would be, Very and Very (for the average person without a full workshop etc at their disposal)... Sounds like a damn good fork though and if it was the Ti internals the weight drop would be quite nice as well. Though sounds like Marzocchi wouldn't have to do much work to rush out a new Shiver if they wanted to. Hmmm... 'Son of Shiver' perhaps?
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 I'm not sure why everyone is saying other companies should 're-think' their situation with the USD fork. Both types of forks have pro's and cons, however there is absolutely nothing wrong with a Fox 40 or a Boxxer WC, so why change what works. I know if I owned a suspension company, I couldn't care if the fork was sideways. If it did what I wanted it to do, as best as I could. Then great !
  • + 1
 Basically everyone with a brain knows USD is better, because all the best motorbikes have USD forks (except trials bikes) and they are almost 100 years further down the development path than mountain bikes are.

Having said that, everyone with a brain knows 2 strokes are better than four strokes but they are still being snuffed out.

The powerbrokers of MTB are backing RWU like the power brokers of the automotive industry are backing the four stroke.

Even though USD is better, they will never take off until Rockshox or Fox get on it.
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 Jaame I think you "Brain" needs some more knowledge. USD isn't better for some instances. I'm with Waldon. Both have pros and cons. Both will suit different riders differently. DVO would appear to have their damping system as good or better than the competitors for a lot of reasons, adjustability and ease as well as shim stack tech mainly. This alone would be enough for me to try them. Any extra flex(as long as they're at least as stiff as Shivvers)won't bother me, as I'm light, and I feel it actually aids me having a touch of deflection, think steering damper.
Right way up forks have the advantage of lateral stiffness, that lots prefer. They also can have less unsprung weight, but that is totally design dependent, not a general rule. and for single crowns, inverted is virtually impossible to match conventional forks for stiffness, and possibly longevity.
I don't think there's enough of a gap between performance for stiffness whatever way for 90% of riders, and manufacturers should just use whatever will work with their internal systems better.
The main benefit of inverted is for/aft stiffness, very important for motorbikes, not so for MTB. and the oil seals staying lubed easier, very important for MTB, hence all the fancy stanchion coatings we've seen over the years.
In short, I'd not get to hung up on inverted Vs Conventional, unless the DVOs turn out to be a flexy noodle, but it wouldn't appear they will be.
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 110% with you NoSkidMarks. Both do indeed have pros and cons. My view on companies rethinking their plans on shelving their USD prototypes isn't based on a belief that USD is superior, just that they may notice that these DVO forks have caught a lot of attention and they may realize there is a section of fork buyers out there that would like a good USD but the availability is severely limited. You'll notice in my first post I specifically said => How long until FOX re-think their shelving of the USD fork they tested at the Wyndham WC and decide 'why, yes there is a market and we will release it....' A Market. I made no mention of one type of fork being better than another I was just inferring that some companies may want to tap onto the USD fork buyer market and steal sames from the Dorado and other boutique forks (Kowa, Avalanche and Tech-In for example).
  • + 1
 USD is always better. It works better in all cases and more importantly, it looks better. USD stands for "Ultimate stylish design", whereas RWU stands for "Really wack underling". Oh yeah? Believe that.
  • + 1
 Brunn have usd forks too. both sc dc
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 Looks like the Hulk just shit out a badass fork!!! I loved my 04 shiver.
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 Can we use your comment in our first ad??? Awesome!
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 If you do, please change shit to shat
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 OK, we don't want to offend anyone!
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 thank you jut8, we're working long days and nights and disappointing the industry we love is not something on our list of things to do!
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 wouldnt be the first offencive add a company has ever put out, i.e. "2013 pivot Phoenix, goes downhill faster than a wagon full of fat kids".......perfection
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 "2013 pivot Phoenix, goes downhill faster than a wagon full of fat kids" Pure gold of publicity
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 I read the whole article and never saw why it is called the Emerald! WTF!!! Seriously though, don't you think a green fork is going to limit its marketability? Personally I love green, but this really limits your bikes color scheme.
  • + 4
 This is the only inverted fork that i would ever buy. This is ridiculously sexy..
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 If you'd read the whole article you would have read the part that says "And yes, it will be available in colours other than green.".
  • + 6
 pleasepleaseplease blue!
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 @Rasterman. And the Kashima gold color doesn't conflict with any colors of bike frames? I am all about colors to. However I think, like the Kashima coated stantions, the color of this fork will about the fork it's self.
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 Murdered out black with green decals, how about that?
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 There's been lots of one off companies that have made high-end USD 'moto-inspired' downhill forks over the years, Risse, Avalanche, Curnutt, X-Fusion, White brothers and heaps others, even Brake therapy had some kinda fork out at one point, most of those forks were crazy heavy and very expensive and it seems overall most people will stick with tried and tested, cheaper, poorer performing forks that weigh less and these companies will just have their niche die-hard fans. But I hope DVO get a good consumer base and make an imprint, albeit they're not looking to be one of the big 3 any time soon.

I'd like to see more details on seal and bushing types and any internal finishings being used on these forks e.g. full anodized internals or anything??... commonly these details go unmentioned in the marketing spiels as high quality seals and bushings up production unit costs and aren't included... instead attention is drawn towards non-definitive/unquantifiable and somewhat meaningless details like stanchion diameter, decals, fork 'hardware' and 'stiffness'... it would be good to see a change from that!
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 Murdered out black with green details sounds sweet!
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 @DVOSuspension sure you can use the comment if I can use the fork for a season or two lol!
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 and you can use it for a season or two or more... it just requires a simple transaction
  • + 1
 i remember when white bros had the sick colors going, would be so cool to see red and blue emeralds although perhaps they'd then be Ruby's and Saphires eh ooooooooohhhh
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 I am such a sucker for the look of an inverted fork on a DH bike! So stoked to see this coming to life, don't disappoint us!
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 this color of stanchions!
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 Where's my wallet?
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 would like to see an Allmountain version
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 If the HULK rode DH...
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 finaly they make a tapered dual crown steerer tube
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 Thanks Guys! We are really stoked too!
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 We are working on Enduro forks and shocks too!
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 Wooahh.... Shut up and take my monney!!!1 alll of it!
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 We will make it soon!
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 I absolutely love the forks name. It goes really nicely with the color. Maybe also because one of the hottest girls I've ever met was named Esmeralda (Emerald)!!
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 Awesome inspiration!
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 Not to hip on the green. Any chance of a optional color?
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 I'm more than cool with the green! If you make a DJ fork with green stanchions, black lowers and crown I will be your best friend! Please do it, I need it for this bike www.pinkbike.com/photo/8199536 .........so as you can see, it just has to be done!!! Who do I make out the check too?
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 I just wanted to say a big kudos to you guys (DVO Suspension) for taking the time (probably too much time!!) in answering people's questions and comments on here! When have you ever seen Fox, Rockshox et al. pump something new into the market aimed at us - the people who'll be parting with their hard earned £££ first and ever bother to get envolved in these sort of discussions. With the amount of people on here who ride religiously and know their sh*t inside out, there are always little jems of info that companies could pick up for free that would be awesome. Anyways - best of luck with the new fork, hopefully it's the start of something beautiful!
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 Its really cool to get the instant feedback from everyone (good and bad) that way we can use all the input to make better products. Hopefully other companies can see it as a benefit which is how we at DVO feel!
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 Very cool, start of something potentially very good.

Have to say thoguh, i think the all green colour will serve to limit the amount of people willing to buy it. I know a tonne of people will immediately neg me, and say its all about function over form. Well thats great for them if they don't care what something looks like, and i'm almost envious, but those people have obviously never been in the marketing/design department of a product design company and don't understand the HUGE effect design has on buyer choice.

Look at the amount of people matching their kit these days, and the push in colour coded bikes. Its because people like their kit to look matching because it conveys a sense/feeling of consistency which subconciously links to the idea of consistent performance. Its why marketing / graphic design is such a huge business.
I think the brand design needs work personally, and whilst the green looks lovely, no matter how good it was i wouldn't buy it, and it would clash badly with eveythign else on my bike. Its clear (In the nicest way possible) that this is company started by engineers/product designers. Its how Hope started, and their brand / visual design sucked for years.

DVO, i love what your doing, and wish you the best of luck, but please offer a non-green version for folks like me! Anodised black/grey tubes would look sick.
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 Ask and you shall receive (within reason)!
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 Also I doubt they'll only ever produce a single colour. Be real buddy. It's a prototype after all.
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 We will, already have black and green in the works. Why would we BS about colors?
  • + 2
 The green does look something, but i too wouldnt buy a set. It would be good to have green as DVO team version of products (like Hope has). But give the option to have no green whatsoever, i.e., custom decals kits so you can choose your colour (like Ragley does). It totally elimates the "im not buying it because it doesnt match this or that". After all BOS / FOX etc forks all match any bike config (by usually sticking to white / black /grey decals coloursets year after year)....and you want to be competing with them on sales figures right?!
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 I think right now it's for publicity, people are going to notice the bright colors on this fork and that's part of what DVO needs right now. Agreed though, I would not buy it because i green is a hard color to match. Would be sweet to see more colors as well as the always sexy black/silver.
  • + 4
 Imagine a team that was sponsored by DVO, Hope, SDG, and TLD... GREEN EVERYTHING. The Hulk Mob.
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 Personally I like the green colour, but it would be cool to see options of different coloured stanchions and matching decals, then people can choose what they want to go with their bike Smile
  • + 1
 But maybe the green would be sort of like the yellow of deemax's, you rarely see them matching the bikes colours but they still look sick because they stand out and contrast with the rest of the bike
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 You'd be doing yourself a disservice by not buying a product because of it's colour. Colour won't make you faster or get more girls. Speed and style look best, these are achieved by products design and quality.
Shim stacks, charts and easy replacement are what I want to hear more about.
and the neg spring preload, and air volume adjuster.
What size stanchions and legs?
  • + 4
 We made green for the intro product and other color combos will come. No stress!
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 I like that idea!
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 Upper legs are between 41-43mm and the stanchions are 36mm all made from 7000 series aluminum.
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 I can't say I've ever seen a company embrace its own write up on pink bike as well as you have DVO. That's very promising for your customer service and support. Says a lot about a company. Wish you guys the best and a huge THANK YOU for keeping our sport growing and progressing!
  • + 4
 We love what we do and we really like to see how things are going on with our world. You can expect nothing less from DVO when it comes to customer service and support!!
  • + 2
 Thanks and we will keep it up!
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 So how exactly is the arch supposed to increase torsional stiffness by 50% when its only interface to the fork is incrementally above the 20mm axle? I'd love to see some empirical testing data showing the differences.
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 For sure, we will have video of all the testing we do without the BS. Stay tuned.
  • + 6
 Oh, pinkbike and your judicious usage of the downvote button.

Anyway - DVOSuspension, could you describe the testing methodology that you used? I just don't see how the fork guards can provide that much additional torsional rigidity while essentially being in the same region of force that the thru-axle deals with. Unless I'm missing something, the guard isn't attached to the stanchion as noted in the reference to the Halson Inversion. In other words, are you suggesting that in the case of the old Shiver, if you attached an arch that connected the dropouts together it would improve stiffness?
  • + 4
 We will provide a pretty detailed video about the CTA soon. But it's based on the concept of linking the two drop outs with the CTA/arch. Lots of flex occurs between stanchions and upper tubes because they are essentially decoupled. The CTA works to couple these two parts and improve stiffness.
  • + 1
 Aren't the two dropouts already linked via the 20mm thru-axle? The CTA can't function in a similar manner to the arch of a right-side-up fork because of the fact that the CTA can only be mounted extremely low near the axle, while the arch on a right-side-up fork is tying the fork legs together at its mid-point. I'm looking forward to the testing video.
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 Great looking product. I have a 2011 Dorado and it rocks. Clarification on the Moto front. I raced Moto for years. The inverted design allowed for better tracking at equivalent weights. The conventional designs could not match the inverted fork in steering precision without getting too heavy. You have it backward. Moto forks didn't have the brake arch though. They were tried, but the inverted design was still superior. The flex that affects steering happens at the crown, where the inverted design has more clamping surface. The perceived benefits of conventional forks in the MTB world are basically myth. Stiffness claims are not based on actual tracking in real world conditions. I understand you need to address the myth in marketing, but I don't respect the fact that it is not based on the realities. Most people complaining about the flexy inverted forks never actually rode one.
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 Yeah, once you get used rip them they don't feel flexy, they just feel like a traction-enhancer and super-plush. It's a no-brainer that this design would come back to prominence,but Manitou would never make it happen. FOX and SRAM are bummed....FOX made a prototype, but Gwin didn't like it....racers aren't always the best testers.
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  • + 7
 Where to begin? It's not often that I look at something new that I actually like. The compression adjustment assembly is brilliant. I love the attention to detail in keeping it sealed and keeping weight off, not to mention attaching the high-speed knob in such a way that it won't end up lying on the side of a run somewhere. I only wish the image revealed another inch or so above that... and maybe the other valves as well? Anyway, I like this approach to the high-speed shims, it looks very user-friendly as far as tuning compared to a taller stack inside of a ported piston. Good work on functionally isolating the high-speed circuit, I hope it is as smooth as it is simple.

Further, I like the picture of the fork sitting on a pallet of 'pigs'. This leads me to believe that your either a) Do your own casting or b) Have a very good working relationship with your suppliers. I'll assume the latter. The spec of 7000 series uppers is proof enough that you are committed to quality, but having a supplier understand your needs is probably even more important. Hopefully they can help you keep the weight off at a reasonable price.

As far as the details you purposely kept secret, well fine. Sooner or later someone will break one, then we can cross-section it and see the details for ourselves!
  • + 7
 Thanks for the feedback! The compression assembly is really cool and very easy to work on/tune. Its based on piston/bleed/shims with a lot of dynamic range to it. The entire assembly can be removed, knobs and all so you wont loose set screws and tiny ball bearings on your garage floor. We will also offer other pistons with details on how to tune according to riding terrain and application.

We are working with a very sophisticated manufacturer who has most of their own processes under one roof and this is critical to controlling quality. Thanks for your insight!

We don't aim to keep any secrets from you guys but we just want to prove out some designs before we spill the beans on what exactly is in our designs. We will be as upfront and straight forward as possible.

Cheers, DVO
  • + 5
 So it will be possible to buy extra damping assemblies so you can have say three different shim stack set ups pre built so you can just change one in minutes to suit different locations/tracks? Sounds awesome.
  • + 6
 Yes! For sure that's the plan!
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 Can't wait, can't say that I'll ever own one (don't have the dough to throw down on it) but it would be nice to see Marz technology from 10 years ago being utilized in their products.... I mean those old forks were bombproof, and now with new technology and stuff you would think that the tradition would carry on, but its been mixed reviews for sure! Older Marz tech's, new company, meshing new and old ideas together, goin to be something to watch out for!! Suspension companies, ya'll been warned!!!
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 Заебатая вилочка ! Должна работать просто ахуенно !
  • + 10
 Google Translate says: One Bad Ass Fork?
  • + 1
 Google translate says: Zaebataya fork! Should work just ahuenno!
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 These maybe inverted but they look perverted Awesome colour
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 Thats great, another headline for an ad!
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 Don't really like the look of this torsion arch. I certainly don't see a need for this. I'm riding a Dorado since 2010 and I have absolutely no complaints about rigidity, this also applies to my dirtbike - and this thing goes much faster and jumps much higher and further than my DH bike. If a motorcycle don't need this, my bike doesn't need it either. I think everyone is gone crazy about rigidity since the 40 came out, but sometimes a lil' bit of flex is a good thing when it gets rough.
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 Thanks for the info and we are all Moto heads too! In Moto, where weight isn't much of an issue as it is with bikes, the clamps are larger, 50-52mm upper tubes increase the clamping surface area, steel stanchions, large drop outs and a small steel axle all help to decrease torsional flex. We looked at all the areas to help make the Emerald stiffer without increasing the weight, we went with larger clamps, 43mm clamping surface, large drop outs, and the CTA all help in delivering a better inverted product!
  • + 1
 The steel lowers are more flexy, causing poor small bump compliance on inverted moto forks compared to conventional forks. The steel lowers flex as they enter the upper tubes. On a conventional fork, the flex happens away from the bushings at the clamp, resulting in better small bump compliance, but less steering precision. The only moto fork with aluminum stanchions is the works WP unit, and most riders don't use it as it is too rigid. To get a proper feel with aluminum stanchions, the chassis size would have to be reduces significantly. I suspect this would have happened if the recession didn't happen. In ther moto world, conventional forks could not match the steering precision of inverted forks unless the stanchions exceeded 50mm, causing problems with weight and stiction. Please review the moto history before posting significantly innacurate information.
  • + 1
 @ DVO - I really like your enthusiasm and your approach towards us all. Sadly this is uncommon for today's manufacturers. Wish you all the best.

As stated above, I really think this whole controversy about rigidity / stiffness is gone into an excess. People always claim that stiffness is a good thing - but at this point I really think that stiffness is a marketing thing. I work in a big bike shop, hence I've ridden a couple of forks in the last few years. This includes the 40 - a fork everybody raved about for beeing stiff and having superior damping performance. Freshly serviced the damping was good, but you had to service it (and have to) too often. I also quickly discovered that the stiffness of the fork had certain disadvantages, especially on rocky and rooty trails, where the fork hadn't any forgiveness and you could really feel the head shake.
Same thing applies to the "new" 35mm Boxxer - I loved the old 32mm-one, but couldn't get along with the new one - but it was mostly because of the damping.

Since I've got my Dorado, - best production fork today, hands down - I think different. At first, I had complaints about "flex", but quickly discovered that the fork was forgiving, yet it turned precisely even in ruts and rocks. Since then lots of people asked me for a "flex-test", putting my front wheel between their legs and turning the handlebar. Of course, there is a lot of flex if you do this - but it's not an issue on the trail, where you can't feel it. People never believe that this flex is a good thing an rave about the fork being soft and unridable. I often offer a test drive, but people refuse it. If somebody rides, he agrees that there is no noticeable disadvantage with flex on the trail.

So, as long as the right-side-up guys don't believe in less rigidity, you guys at DVO have to build this torsion arch on your forks. It makes them look weird, and I personally don't believe in the necessity of it.

You see, I'm an USD-diehard.
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 "Interestingly, the idea of a hex-shaped axle (much liked those utilized on Manitou forks) was nixed when DVO found that increasing the overall clamping surface area of the axle proved to be a more efficient way to control slipping and flex." Or they found that Manitou has a patent on this. Patent # :7.494.145
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 We are well aware that Manitou has a patent on the hex axle many years ago. All our test on the axle did surprise us though, we ran bolts through the drop outs-through the axle and it didn't increase stiffness at all. It has more to do with flex than slippage or spinning.
  • + 1
 So you say that based on your measurements it has no benefits on lateral flex. I can believe this as I have no data in hand to doubt your claims.The only question is that why is Manitou still using it?
If
1. It costs more to produce such axle.
2. It cost a lot annually to maintain their patent.

I am not nitpicking with your product nor am I a Manitou guy, as I use Fox, but that is the only product that is similar to what you have, and I am only trying to understand your design.
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 Manitou has some validity to their idea and kudos to them. But regarding torsional stiffness can be better combated in other areas, namely the stanchions and clamping zone witch is of a higher magnitude than the axle which is already clamped. Since there is free rotation between the stanchion and the upper leg, clamping the axle securely becomes less a key area. It doesn't cost much to maintain a patent and the cost might be minimal to produce it but thats not our point. The more surprising thing is where rotational flex emanates from and a hex axle would only stop the axle from spinning if it were to do so. Appreciate the feedback for sure!
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 Spell check jacked my words up, sorry.
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 Appreciate for your quick and thorough answers and clarification. If you maintain this in your customer relations/services, I see a bright future for DVO. I am pretty confident you will have a solid product to back up. Smile Keep it up, and can't wait for more details of the mass produced version.
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 No worries and thanks for the feedback. We will do our best without the BS!
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 In the moto world, the two biggest areas to tune flex are the axle, and the clamp/stanchion surface area. Too many myths in the MTB world. Hex axles allow a smaller axle with equivalent rigidity. If you go large enough, you will certainly eclipse a 20mm hex axle. Its just math.
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 Looks promising. Love the idea of a spring assist recoil. Should allow running a low pressure aircartridge to overcome stiction and increase service life. Will be tough to dial in. Too complicated?

The U-section-shaped bottom stiffeners should be replaced with a wraparound design with 2-4 guiding slots - much much stiffer - from the beginning.

4 bolt axle - me like - better than a oneside thread.

Steering tube is nice.

Crown clamps - very cool - but a nightmare once dirt gets in. Preferably Screw-Clamp.
  • + 3
 We will be testing the collet system and we know it must pass the mud and crud test!
  • + 2
 We use various Collets in my line of work - Offshore Subsea Tooling. The Tools are used in an environment where there is a lot of crud, harsh chemicals and various ranges of debris (Metal shavings, muds, cements, wires etc.). Most of our tools use a sort of special elastomer boot to protect the Collets, these boots have repeling properties - meaning that they repel any sort of fluids do to their chemical makeup. They work great, as long as the job runs smoothly, and they were installed properly.
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 Collets are an excellent design to hold tubes secure but we need to make sure they work in this application, we don't want the consumer to be our beta testers.
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 DVO I wish I could hug you for the last part of that sentence.
  • + 5
 Just keeping it real and we know how bad it sucks to be forced into compromising quality.
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 Collets look cool. Just wondering if the tube coating will survive service attempst... My doubt. Clamps are cheaper and do an excellent job, servicing without having to buy another special tool.
  • + 1
 DVO, how much do you think they will costing?
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 @wakaba
by "The U-section-shaped bottom stiffeners should be replaced with a wraparound design with 2-4 guiding slots - much much stiffer - from the beginning." do you mean something like the halson fork

mombat.org/195Halson.jpg
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 Just an extra idea to add onto drbelleville's comment, if you we're to add a rubber boot to the collets for protection, could you incorporate that into a bump stop that wraps around the stanchion do there is no constant need to rearrange them and they won't slip down? Just an idea......
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 @kazwei: What I mean is the carbon deflectors - since they are integral to the stiffness of the fork - a closed O-profile is stiffer than a U-shaped section. Bracing it would already help.

What I really love about the design is the helper spring - this fork could have the spongy action of an nice Marzocchi and still have very proper highspeed action - where Marzocchis falls short.
  • + 1
 That is exactly what we intend on doing!!
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 Can't say that I dig the idea of collets holding my bike up especially since they seem to be self loosening in your design. If you're going to use collets they should be under the crowns so that the upwards force of the fork motion will cause them to stay tight. There's nothing wrong with a pinchbolt design especially if it is done cleanly.
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 Kermit the Fork !... would love to take those forks out , and do some skids.
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 Maybe we should have a longest skid contest to win a fork?
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 I done a pretty big skid the other day , shame it was in my boxxers
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 "We feel that the industry puts too much emphasis on stiffness in general. Stiffer doesn't always mean better." - thats sounds a lot, but its about time to be said from the proper person. Could be a turning point similar to MX back in the days when they were using conventional forks, proven lack the strength of the inverted design.
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 I once asked a racer if the boxxer world cup or the fox 40 was better. He said it depended on if you liked flex. The boxxer flexes he said, and some people like it like that. it is cool to hear other people backing that up.
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 "strength through flexure" is a well known engineering phrase

products that are too 'stiff' (to use the layman's parlance) can often fail through cracking as those impact loads and structural loads have to go somewhere, and can provide an unnerving ride as the vehicle does not always respond in a predictable manner

can think of a well known Canadian freeride brand that used to produce one of the strongest / stiffest frames available, but they pretty much all cracked and their new engineer designed some flexure into the frame to prevent this re-occuring

in suspension systems on racing motor vehicles (whether Moto GP, Formula 1, SuperCross or Rallye) its not uncommon for suspension to have some flexure to allow the vehicle (and rider / driver) to maintain their chosen line rather than suffering sudden deflections
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 You know what's up!
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 I'm curious what parameters were chosen when deciding what the appropriate amount of flex is. All riders are inherently different, with regards to weight and riding style and as such this will affect how a fork feels to different people. For instance, a 200lb guy who’s charging hard at an expert/elite level is going to flex the fork a lot more than a 150lb guy who’s riding at half the pace. Did you (DVO) determine an average sized rider, and go from there?
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 Great question and we looked at it from an elite riding level (170-200) with full race kit. But, we could only reference our product Vs a conventional design and the Emerald does have more pliability than say a 40 does which we feel is a benefit. It may be the case that a lighter rider would run the Emerald without the CTA (guards only) and be perfectly happy with the flex.
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 Perfect. Thanks for the response.
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 The least favourite fork I ever owned was a 40, and I sold it because it was too stiff. It deflected so bad I had to run the rebound way to slow just to keep it controlled. I've never sold a fork after such a short period of ownership. I believe some flex is required. Never seen a smooth dead straight line through a rock garden before.
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 We were the first to bring out the big stiff fork called the Monster T with 40mm stanchions. That was a cool fork but not meant to race with and yes it was very stiff, more for smashing rocks than flowing over them!
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 I had one from '02, on a Nicolai Lambda. Talk about an unforgiving setup.
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 The beauty of the design means, you can actually accomadate different preferences buy have several CTA's available with different level's of flex. Even more tuning options to riders!
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 Yes that is quite possible, you guys here in PB are pretty dam sharp. Josh (DVO Engineer) has been talking about this for a while!
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 Throw some ADLC on the lowers and run SKF seals, and you're set!! Razz
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 Hmmm, in reference to DVO's words about running the fork without guards if it's a lighter rider: If such happens, why not offer just normal guards, without any kind of CTA? Just a flying thought though! Smile
It does look a lot cooler with guards, rather than without - my Dorado is the nuts with them and i'm pretty sure i will hate it guard-less. Big Grin
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 We are open to offering it with guards.
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 I love the fork but not the guards. If you offer them with normal guards (sans arch) I'll buy your fork. Afterall I'm a light rider, 60kg with gear, and I don't really notice the flex on my Shiver DC...
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 WOOOHOOOOO... The new DVO Emerald forks look super sexy. I can't wait to see what the rear shock looks like too. This is the defining start of something seriously special. Thanks DVO
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 I know i should, but i just dont like it.

Fairplay for the design, and there is no doubt that the technology behind it all (something im much to stupid to know anything about) is stunning. But i just cant see it on my bike. The whole thing just looks TOO chunky, and its not just the green.

Neg prop away/niggas gonna hate, but its MY personal opinion!
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 Its all good dude!! The emerald is actually pretty sleek looking in person, compared to the posted pictures it makes it look a little chunky...internet adds 3lbs to everything.
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 I mean, major props for you guys. Dont get me wrong your making good steps for the sport. Which no one can complain about! Just this product isnt for me! Cheers for not getting all angry guys, Best luck for the future!
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 We don't get mad at any of the comments. I bet if we sat everyone on this thread at a dinner table it would make for one crazy night of input and a whole bunch of new insults to keep in my arsenal...lol
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 Man, you guys make this stuff look good, if this only funtions halfway of the looks.. you're in for sure. I have had many problems with adjusting forks, en dampers.Make sure all of your customers know how to adjust this thing.
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 Thats true!!!
At leat for me buying a better fork with more adjustments it is also a problem.

Having more things for tuning your fork its a good thing if you know how to use it; but if you dont it goes against your ring. So it would be good for your part to have a good way to explain what everhing does and what you should exepect by tuning it.

Im sure that all most everyone that have a high end fork (F40. mzc 888 rc3, boxxer wc) dont know how to tune it, and have it tuned in a worng way.
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 We will help you tune it and achieve premium performance.
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 I'm pretty sure about that joaquin-andreas,

I ve asked a lot of guys allready, nobody that i asked seemed to know anything about adjusting fork or a damper. Now i seem to be the expert.. (LOL)
But ofcourse it also comes down to personal preferences. For instance, i like my suspension a lot harder than most of the riders. On my hardtailbike i have even pumped up my fork so hard, it's pretty much a solid fork.. :-)
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 "Being competitive in weight is definitely high on the list, but performance, reliability, and strength was more important for us."
That's all I need to hear from a suspension company.
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 Please please please, if you do bring them to the UK do not overlook the value of a decent distributor/ service centre.

I only run Fox or Rockshox because i know Mojo and Fishers will (most of the time) take care of anything quickly and hassle free for me. I want to try Marz and Bos allot but windwave are a joke for warranty and Bos you cant even get spares or servicing for without sending it back to France.
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 Yeah, you're completely right. Even Fishers can be f**king awkward though. Ever tried looking through their website for RockShox spares? And when you call for advice they generally don't have a clue. Thank god for TF Tuned!

Madison would be the obvious home, with scope for a nice tie in with (limited edition) Saracen models?
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 We are all over this right now!! We have a pretty good plan going into affect over the next few months to make sure that we a re able to provide the proper support world wide. That is our main goal to make sure that we cover our customers 100%!!
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 Yup have to agree with these guys here. This looks to be exactly what im after in the way of forks, allbeit a 160-180mm single crown but even if you offer me the best feeling fork in the world for £600 im not gonna buy it unless i can service it and pick up spares easily, this is why i have stuck to rockshox for so long now as they are so easy to get parts for and quick to service.

Loving the look of this to DVO guys, keep up the good work i can wait to take a spin on a pair sometime. This is what the industry needs to give RS and fox a good kick up the arse and stop messing with remote levers and electronic nonsense. Finally a fork to match the CC db air
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 the better is the enemy of the good! curious how it differs from the current dorado in terms of performance and durability... the dorado is the best fork i've ever ridden, unless there are some minor issues.
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 Dorado is a sweet fork and were glad you like the inverted designs!
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 They look awesome. Give me black with bare carbon any day though!! stealth to the max. Well done on bringing something pretty fresh to the market. If I wasn't so against buying brand new kit I'd be in the shop ordering some.
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 While I am not a big fan of air springs.....this fork looks to be very well engineered and personally, I love the way it looks. Hopefully they will have a coil option. I can't wait until this one comes to market !! Nice work guys !!
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 Air spring systems have come along way and our adjustable negative spring will allow the rider to tune exactly where the initial engagement kicks in. The system is designed to accept a coil with minor mods.
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 The fork itself looks to be very well engineered and beautiful in the build quality ! I know the air spring concept has come a long way, I am just an old school coil guy. I have had too many air shocks blow seals at the worst possible times....not that this system is the same.....and I will most likely try to fund one when they hit the market...
But if there is a coil mod that can be fitted, I am 100% on board with it !! Really nice work on this !!
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 Thanks and we are all old school coil aficionados too but when air is done properly it has a lot of advantages too.
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 I really am excited about this suspension and frankly, it has been the first time since I started riding Avalanche suspension, that I have been excited about anybody's suspension. So for me, you guys nailed it ! I can't wait for it to come out !! What type of seals are you using ?
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 Thanks and we have a lot of respect for the guys at Avalanche. We are using oil and dust seal combination (no single seal) from a Canadian supplier.
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 I am fortunate enough to be very close to Avy and I have had Craig do custom one offs for some of my frames.
I am quite psyched about the look of this game changer and I really can't wait to get my hands on one.
Do you have a rough idea of cost ?? 1, 2, 3, grand ??
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 Definitely not 3!
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 Excellent news !! Once again, thank you and the team for bringing some sweet new concepts and hard work to the industry !! With something this great and cutting edge it blows my mind how people can come up with foolish comments....like how does DVO stand for ....blah blah....and why don't you make a road fork.....come on people.....there has not been anybody this passionate about suspension in a LONG time !! I have spent nearly 30 years combined in the bicycle and motorcycle industries and DVO, with their goal of trying to educate people on suspension theory remind me of how Race-Tech started out in the motorcycle industry. Properly built and tuned suspension is the most vital parts of any machine with wheels. My Factory Connection valved KTM 200 enduro bike will straight line through a rock garden of foot high rocks at 40 mph without a flinch and the stock suspension.....not so much ! Properly tuned suspension makes the difference between 7th place or 1st place.....or cleaning that 55 degree chute or digging for co-pay money, nailing that 50 foot gap or waiting for the copter to arrive. Huge hats off to DVO and all that are involved !! I didn't want to say it......but the green,,,,,looks SWEET !!!
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 @DVOSuspension

Didn't have time to read through all the responses, so sorry if I repeat:

1) Will you offer different levels of CTA's for people who like more or less flex (or based on rider weight)? Or just standard stanchion guards? I personally like my invert (05 Shiver) with it's amount of flex. It's saved my ass more times than I can count.

2) What are your thoughts on an air cartridge vs. the twin tube. I'm sure the twin tube is a lot smoother feeling, but there are the weight weenies out there, or those who like the responsiveness/ adjust-ability of an air cartridge (without having to change shim stacks or oil weights).

3) I do really like the idea of the collet design, but do you think that it might too much clamping force? Possibly crush/ fracture the the fork uppers at contact points?

Also.................. murdered out black w/ green decals FTW.
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 Awesome that you will have videos and very specific instructions on tuning your fork! I want to simply switch out the coil in my fork to one that is more firm, but I am to afraid to take it apart myself ha ha. If there were videos from the manufacturer I would feel much more comfortable doing something like that. Sounds like you guys have some great ideas and I would definitely want to support a company that supports its customers!
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 We will do our best to support and educate everyone. We feel the more you know about our stuff and suspension in general the more of an educated buyer/rider you'll become, theres no reason to be so secretive about all this, its just bike stuff.
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 This is what we have all been waiting for... maybe not every one will want an inverted fork ( I do by the way...) but we all want a company that is willing to say "Hey! we built the best product we could...and we want you to be able to do nearly every aspect of tuning and service, and to prove it we will make available through nearly every avenue (classes, you-tubes ect) the ability to learn those proceedures and techniques."

It is about time.....

I cant wait for this fork!!!

Also very interested in the rear shock offerings as well as an enduro fork 160-170 mm of travel.


If you guys are able to deliver on your set goals, you should have no problem making a name for yourself among the other suspension giants in the industry.
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 It is a pretty exciting time for us right now! We have some things in the works for an Enduro fork and also for the rear shock side of things. thank you for the support!!
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 Bring on the Enduro/AM fork! 160-130 travel adjust, 35-36mm stanchion, 20mm thru axle, rebound, high and low speed compression adjust, 26"and 650B compatible, choice DVO Green or Murdered Gun Metal Black stanchions.
(If not inverted, choice of black or white lowers. Don't force me into one color for this model and one color for that model like the other guys.)
And of course a matching shock as well.
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 We are already working on a couple of great ideas for our Enduro fork. Don't worry I am sure we will get the color scheme nailed for the likes of all riders.
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 Sounds great. Aggravating that Fox makes you go black if you want a Talas and white if you want a Float. Just give me a choice of black or white for all models and I'm good. Cheers.
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 It is an exciting time for all of us watching this all unfold, I can hardley believe that you guys are only 7 months into this and are debuting a product of this magnitude (the Emerald) with more to come in the next few weeks, its a testament of how much you guys are putting into this, and is encouraging from a customers standpoint in how that hard work and commitment will translate to the customer service side. VERY COOL!!! cant wait to see what else you will be offering, and when it will be available.

Will be watching and waiting!
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 Thanks Nikoli, appreciate the support! We are putting everything we have into making this product great as well as having the organization to support the riders with information on nearly every aspect of the product. Knowledge is power!
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 Well Im convinced!
Great article and from reading the comments an the replies it seems like you guys have got the right concerns for customer care and feed back!
Im just hoping you got a long(ish) travel single crown in the works for us free riders who love to click a good 270 X'up Smile
All the best for the future

p.s a team issue green Hope brake would look perfect on those emeralds
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 Thanks and those green cnc hope brakes would be perfect!
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 Emerald fork and monster green Race Face Atlas cranks would be sick as well.
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 That's what I'm thinking!
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 matching race face atlas bars too, some Hope green parts all on a devinci carbon with that matt black an red/orange fade graphics.... emerald damper of corse
we speccing a DREAM bike!! Smile
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 My favourite part of this thread is actually watching DVO reply, the simple things like that is what creates/keeps happy customers.
And im sure these forks will be frikkin' sick!!!
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 Thanks Ross, we like to hear the feedback from everyone!
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 WILL BUY WILL BUY WILL BUY!!!!!!.....So excited for this fork..NICE WORK DVO!!! LOVE the GREEN!!!
Absolutely Fantastic approach/Engineering to function and production...Thank You for This..now HURRY UP ALREADY..LOL!!!
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 Thanks for the enthusiasm! We wont disappoint ya, working hard over here!
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 Just wanna say its nice to see DVO posting responses! Thanks for showing interest in our interest!
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 We are making stuff for you guys and feedback is key!
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 For a long time I've said i thought forks like the 40 were too stiff. this is based on experience too. on long harsh tracks in the alps i swapped the 40 for an old shiver i had. never looked back and still run the shivers today. the little bit of added flex and smoother damping made the bike a lot easier to control and reduced fatigue at the end of the day. the only downside to the shiver that i found was that i couldn't fit a good mud guard (no one wants moto guards flapping around). with this "bolt on arch", one could easily run an effective mud guard too. i hope the internals will be nice and tough too, again, only the shiver and 005/06 888RC have been totally reliable for me - but i am a big lad! haha. anyway, hopefully these will come in at a competitive price point, because i am very interested! Good luck guys!
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 Thanks! It seems the new 40 has more pliability built into the new casting, now that frames are stiffer due to carbon, suspension needs to be more forgiving.
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 wow...I'm learning a whole lot about forks in just the few minutes I've been exposed to DVO, my own included. I'm only 180 fully geared up, no wonder my 40 beats me up. Emerald and whole philosophy looks great guys
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 i am still riding my Shiver DC's, i love the forks they are so plush. and with your new upside down forks coming out with more adjustability and strengthening i think you are onto a winning combination. thats not even comenting on the looks of these. WOW! the biggest down side to my shiver's is the flex from heavy front end braking over larger bumps i.e big roots or braking bumps. if you have managed to fix this my hard earned cash would more than likly line your pockets! would be nice if you could send out some demo forks, to feature at events so the joe public can give them go.
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 Ronnie Dilan is a great guy, I was having problems with a Marzocchi fork and despite not working there anymore he took the time of of his day to walk me through ways I could fix it. I can only imagine that DVO will have customer service that's on a different level than the rest.
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 Thank you for the kind words!! I will provide the best service possible to all of our customer base. Ronnie
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 ok, people have asked about rider weight with regards to stiffness, how about rider skill with regards to performance?

To clarify, these days, products and tuning advice for dh stuff seems to focus solely on pro level riders, at 16 stone when asking a reputable tuner in the uk what weight fork spring i needed for my boxxers, i was told an extra firm, on smoother flowier trails it seemed ok but i could barely get it to move up and down, now i'm using a firm spring and the bike feels far more controlled, the same on the rear end of my old summum, all the advice said to use spring weights that meant the suspension barely moved unless going at speeds bordering on out of my skill level.

i used to have a couple of sets of shivers and never had these iddues, they always felt soft enough to push thru most of the travel whilst bouncing on them, but never felt too soft on ther trail, they always tracked well and i never noticed the flex issues as i wasnt going as fast as a racer.

are these new forks going to be able to cater to all levels of skill? and feel confidence inspiring in doing so? i dont feel i should have to ride an AM bike because i'm not that fast but its nice when a fork can suit me, my 2010 boxxers have never impressed me and always felt kind of dead, i much preffered the plush bottomless travel feel of old shivvers and my mx6 stratos forks.

i think thats most the rubbish out of my head lol
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 Thanks a ton for the feedback and I think you will like the new Emerald. It will be more compliant without the harshness you're experiencing. A lot of it has to do with the damper and spring design along with tuning options. A damper that can't help the fork stand up properly will require a stiffer spring rate which would require you to really hit stuff hard to get full travel. It's all a balance between the damper and spring plus some tuning.
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 I could not possibly say any superlative better than what's been alteady said by other here. It's really promising and exciting to see this! If I may add something about looks in terms if constructive critique. Im an architect and graphic designer to back that up a bit. Colour scheme: green or any other anodized coloiur as used by you is fresh touch indeed but the white crowns mixed with black covers/arch looks a bit messy. Go either for all white or all black details for more consistency. All black with green details might be great as well! Form: honestly, make a version without that arch, it looks so damn impressive on MX bikes, those huge accentuated sliders. My tiny engineering degree also tells me that there ain't much win in stiffness. And if you really want that arch there make it a bit more edgy, like RS did on revamp of 2010 Boxxer lowers, where arch is so accentuated yet is still subtle. Pre 2008 Marzocchi used to do it right as well, really nice sculptiring there. Your current design lacks a bit of twang when turning from vertical towars center of the arch. In Marzo it was like music: mmmmmm...bap!paaaammmmbap!, Boxxer is mmmbeee,mmm. .bam!mmmmmm,Bammmmm. Your is a bit: Mmmmbleeee. No distespect but it reminds me of that singlecrown DMR fork with elastomer and 40mm uppers Smile

Nonetheless, great stuff!
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 Thanks for the feedback and we are listening!
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 One question that might have been asked already, in which case sorry.

By letting the user set his own shimstack, setup the fork like he thinks is right, don't you think you'll end up with LOADS of warranty returns because either they have completely f*cked their fork (badly disassembled or reassembled, damaged internals, ...), or they just can't seem to find the right tune ? And to be honest, who here has enough knowledge to know what shim stack is needed to attain a certain goal ? Less than 1%...

I'm super interested in all the suspension business, but I'm far from being capable of modifying the shim stack on my forks.

But good luck, hope you can reach the performance of BOS or CRConception dampings Smile


And if my memory serves me right, we now have 3 companies using Kashima coating ? Kowa, DVO and Fox... Looks cool Big Grin
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 I see where you are coming from in regards to the end user shim stack tuning. In my experience of dealing directly with customers for the past 14 years, I have really only had a good handful that really enjoy pulling any piece of suspension down to work on a shim stack. Usually at this point most suspension fearing people will put the fork back together and never even mention to anyone that they bothered to entertain the thought of playing with the valving. DVO will have some simple guides for people to follow if they chose to dive into this area of the suspension. there are to many dark areas to just leave alone when it comes to tuning shim stacks. 5000 different combinations and only 10 of them really do anything to reach the desired goal for a good tune.
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 Yeah that's what I meant, much more ways to screw things up than ways to improve the whole thing Smile and so few of us who actually know what they do Big Grin

Cheers
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 Hey DVO, just want to say I'm really stoked. I've been running an 04 shiver for 8 years now and I'm sold on the benefits of inverted forks. I'd been holding out for the long rumored "new shiver" for years.I almost broke down and bought a 40 or 888. All i can say is when the emerald is available, I'm in!!
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 you are going to love it!
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 I love the way DVO found a way to satisfy those, who claimed inverted forks has too much flex. I had a shiver fork and i never needed it to be any stiffer.
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 A little bit stiffer.
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 I want one for my Balfa bb7...it would make an awesome machine...EPIC...if you guys are coming to the Okanagan let us know on your website...I'd be down for a demo on Silver Star with one of these beauty's
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 I dont mean to sound negative, but my main beef with all inverted forks is the fact that the stantions are going to get ruined very quickly. Looking at my lowers and how many scratches or dents there are on them and thinking these could have been on my stantions puts me off entirely.

What have you lot done to protect the stantions? The carbon front thingy will protect from the front but wont cover it entirely. How would your RMA or service team be with those kinds of returns?
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 From my experience over the past 14 years of working on MTB suspension and MOTO suspension, it really isn't that bad. I never really had any of the Shiver forks come back destroyed as a result of the stanchion only being 50% protected. Either way, if a conventional fork gets hit on the slider hard enough it will need to be replaced and chances are the stanchion will also be damaged from that same impact. I am sure that we will be pretty fair with the service side of things but we will take all things into consideration before coming to a final agreement on how to help you.
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 cheers for the reply, highly interesting BUT the reason MOTO forks dont suffer from the same impact is because people dont tent to crash or scrape things on MOTOs as much as mountain bikes. Even though fundamentally riding seems the same, the crashes and little scrapes on bikes tend to be worse. Yes your right big enough impacts on the silvers would also do the same to any fork but normal forks lowers do not need to be written off or replaced when the lowers get scratched. My original point was the fact all the dents and scratches are on the lowers which now become the stantions. So this will not be covered under the "normal" returns is what im getting from your reply?
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 I've been running the same set of Shivers for over 9 years and there's not one scratch on the stantions thanks to the guards. There's some scratches on the plastic guards if you look hard but if they had been painted metal legs they'd look chipped and battered. I like the fact that the stantions are down low behind the guards out of harms way from accidents and transit unlike regular forks with zero protection for the stantions.
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 I have had two sets of inverted forks, no marks on either, the anodizing is tougher than the cheap paint you get on a lot of forks (thinking especially of zocchi's epic thin paint years..) and will shrug off most roost and debris. If you're scraping your stanchions up a curb, maybe not so much. I actually think they tend to get damaged less ind dodgy uplifts too, as they're away from brake levers and bars that tend to scrape.
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 Usually dents or damaged cause to your stanchion or slider will not be considered a warranty item. It really isn't that much of a problem if you are riding normally or if your bike isn't getting a sweet ghost ride down every DH run. I can honestly say that I have seen 80% more dented sliders and maybe only 10 badly damaged inverted stanchions..most of them caused during a shuttle or by someone resting another bike against them.
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 Hi guys I didn't get any response to my offering about some exposure down here at Mexico City, are you interested?
Great work and i see a lot of commitment, I only see a bright future to DVO company.
Not so many companies can get all this attention and feedback.
Keep up!
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 Hi, just wondering what sort of price point/ group this is aimed for? I have no doubts the tech is top notch, and it sure looks sexy as hell!
..but as a full time college student mountain biking is an expensive hobby, and the latest and greatest is only great if it's affordable haha.
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 I know this may sound stupid, but don't you think it took the manufaters a long time to develop forks like these when they just had to take a page from the moto cross world which had inverted forks from pretty much the start, yeah they had, what we see as "normal" in the DH/FR world at the start, but then soon made the change for obvious reasons....
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 Impressed at the reply rate DVO, Ihere's some sick design and engineering going on here, there's not a lot that makes me consider changing my avalanche forks for much anymore, but upside down, carbon and titanium, that's not playing fair!! Any chance of a 1/18th steerer at any point, or am i going to have to buy a 2013 frame to go with my 2013 fork, i'd be happy still, but even poorer...
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 DVO have said they'll make a 1 1/8th version.
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 Inverted forks are just better. That's why the MX industry uses them. They've known for a long time what most of the MTB industry apparently didn't. Now if only they could teach us that a derailleur is even dumber than a conventional fork & that a gearbox is the right way to provide multiple gears to an offroad bicycle we'd be prime.

I busted the arch off of my 66VF. One side cracked, so I broke it off completely. It has a 20 mm axle. It works just as good now as it did before. The only people that think they notice undetectable & irrelevant changes in torsional stiffness (& that sorta shit) are the people that spend too much time worrying about tech & too little time learning how to ride.
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 This is the rest of my reply for freeride forever, couldn't fit it in above.
The DVO inverted flex(however much) might not suit everyone, but they're best figuring that out for themselves than guessing or going on hype. For most, I think the DVO will be brilliant, I'm basing this on my Shivver experience, and from what I've heard about new Dorradoes. As I haven't heard about flex being an issue with them yet. Would love for someone to do the totally misleading front wheel between the knees, twist the handle bar test on some Shivvers, then a new Dorrado just to see how much difference their is.
I'm not sure if a larger axle diameter would actually help as I'm not sure what loads would actually create a problem for flex. With the same axle lenght, clamping width, and bolt torque, I'm guessing the 20mm(narrower)might actually grip better in the clamps. Clamping force spread over less surface area creating more friction, but I might be totally wrong here. And more importantly the main resistance need is from legs wanting to go in different directions, not rotate on the axle, but try and twist off the axle side ways, and here a narrower axle will have better purchase by the clamps.
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 What we have found through our analysis and testing is that increasing the clamping surface area makes the most difference in relation to torsional stiffness. We would like to use a larger diameter hub/axle interface which would increase the clamping surface area but we feel that it would be much harder/costlier to make the riders build up another hub/wheel just to accommodate the Emerald. So we went with a wider drop out to increase the clamping to the axle and the CTA really helps control the torsional loading between the stanchion and upper tubes.

Thanks again for the insight and feedback, DVO is listening to everyone!
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 Are you interested in getting some green exposure in Mexico City?
I can slide one of these toxic bad ass fork on my Yeti 303.
I have been riding since 1988 and have some experience with all the forks in the market, since the Tange Blades and the pink Rock Shox remember those?, I've used them all, and I like the techy aspect of the forks.
Congratulations and best wishes to your new born company.
Always keep an open channel for feedback as you have been doing it.
Don't let aside customer service, there is a big hole there, is where some of the big names fell short.
Again, congratulations.
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 I need to jump on here... first off DVO.. I applaud you and tip my hat! I am REALLY excited to know you all are bringing in something that is a different, beautiful and worthy product into the market. as a former employee of Marzocchi (and the now DVO core crew) back in the early 2000's I helped grow your market share then and Marzocchi reaped the rewards for a few years as I am sure Big B, JP and Ronnie will remember. I can't wait to hear how it functions and how it's longevity works out. I LOVE the color choice though I'd rather see black crowns (it would then match my frames PERFECTLY!) and once you are in full production we will be talking for sure about offering the Emerald as OEM on our bikes! bravo you guys. keep up the hard work.
I heard the rumors and talked with you all about this fork and thought it was going to have 40mm stanchions not the 36 ala Shiver (which was my favorite fork until my current 40) so I am very interested how it will ride. keep in touch with me, you know how to get hold of me.
cheers to you all at DVO!
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 So THIS is how Marzocchi dies... very interesting to see all the core dudes leave to make something better... i like seeing more options in the marketplace like this and the Dorado. hopefully soon we will start seeing more custom bikes instead of a sea of Fox and RS everywhere. that shit is so played out
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 Wow, these look amazing. Always happy to support the smaller companies. If you guys need a feedback test pilot, I am a permanent resident in Whistler, and put quite a few hours in at the park Wink hehe! Keep up the good work lads.
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 Holy comments batman!
Finally someone is taking inverted forks to the next level. I purchased a set of atomlab inverted forks for my street bike, simple and cheap design. But I would to see some well built inverted forks for dj/street usage. I hope you guys come out with a solid product that can compete with the current market!
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 Nice to see the old marzocchies come back to life again. I still ride a 2001 dropoff on my street bike and that thing is still running smooth after more than a decade of abuse. The monsters and shivers were anything but light. but that sweet butter feeling those forks had is not to be found in any of the new stuff on the market these days. Carbon fiber and self tuning the shims...bring it on!!! If the forkx come out next year there will be another 5 years till they sell cheep on ebay so I can try one out. but I guess it will be worth the wait since these guys seem to make some sence ever since they started the devolution on all forks at around 2003. Keep it up guys and please stay out of Taiwan manufacturing!
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 Taiwan arguably has the best manufacturing available. And these guys have great communication, and relations with their manufacturer, which is the only weak link with Taiwan manufacturing IMO.
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 The only downside for me was I was pretty sold on trying the new RUX when they finally arrive, now I am going to really have to wait to see these.
They look like they are going to be hellish expensive or can we expect "affordable luxury"?
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 Hey DVO, it looks fantastic. Congrats on all your hard work. I can't wait to see what kind of shock you guys are making to pair up with the Emerald. Twin tube damping one would assume... This has only served to get me even more stoked to see what you guys come up with for the enduro market. A single crown 160mm air sprung fork with matching air sprung rear shock, both with twin tube dampers sounds like a super exciting prospect.
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 The enduro product will employ the same hydraulic philosophy and quality we are putting into the Emerald Project. Thanks for the support!
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 First off, these forks look so mean. Second, I really hope they develop a shorter trail fork like this And third, I have never seen this many comments on a single article on pinkbike. Looks like people are really excited.
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 Looks like a great thing to be a part of, congrats and I hope it works out well for you. I ride at the shorter travel end of the market and I look forward to welcoming you with my cash. I'm poor but " buy cheap buy twice" is probably why! Whatever the price justify it and we'll all be happy.
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 @DVOSuspension: I know that Maverick was about to run the 36duc carbon fork before they went out of business. In fact one of my clients told me all about this fork, but it never came to be. I think there were 10 units made, and who knows where they are. What I was hoping for was a carbon 160 inverted fork. Something for the Mojo HD riders or anyone on an AM bike. Any plans on that. Love the company focus, great partnerships.
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 "GREEN is CLEAN" hell yeah! This is a good reminder to all of us, let's make the world green. Don't just hit the trail, clean it..Goodluck DVO! Will shoot an email later..Cheers!
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 Thanks a ton and green is a mean color too! We will have options though!
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 I need these in my life. had 3 sets of shivers back in the day and loved them. best of luck and fingers crossed i will be rocking a pair soon.
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 Please please consider a single crown
version too. I had 05 dorado sc, and put up with the mediocre damping set up (and rattling) because I liked the purity of design in the Dorado.

You can sign me up right now for an upside down 'totem'.
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 I don't think I've ever seen a product generate this much hype. It took two minutes just to scroll through the comments. The fork looks great, the company attitude looks even better. Not too sure about the CTA in Yorkshire mud though (even if they do sit inclined at about 65 degrees) - would there be enough stiffness still with cut outs at the front? Better send a set over for testing, my address is...
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 Use a steel axle instead of alluminum to increase rigidity. I don't see that brace idea lasting very long.
I have a shiver , and made a steel axle for it, it makes a noticable difference in torsinal rigidity, possibly more than the 50% the arch provides.
The fork is going to weigh the same as it is with the arch anyways.
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 Hey, I know you guys want to keep a safe distance from Marzocchi- but I think there is ONE thing of their to embrace: Hot ladies handling their forks.
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 I like your thinking....
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 Good for a laugh but please no booth babe/vampire girl nonsense DVO!
Just high quality, long lasting, easily maintained and reasonably priced products pleased.
Products that keep me riding and not dealing with warranty issues.
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 We need at least one hot girl to hold the fork..just one.
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 Ok, but make it a good one.
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 Anyone who rides DH in Ireland is going to want these!
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 Thats for sure!
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 I do believe this is a Shiver on steroids! Guys I love the work, I love the enthusiasm that you are bringing to the cycling world. Typically I am a penny pincher but when im spending my money on a company that is by riders 4 riders it will make the $1300-1600 retail on this worth it (atleast i am hoping its in that range lol) Keep up the good work fellas! I cant wait to see how this does in the muddy gnar of West Virginia and all over the east coast!
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 I think we all pinch pennies to get the cool things that we can almost afford..lol. Chances are that you will get to see DVO on the east coast pretty soon!! you guys have some great riding spots and some cool people that know how to have a good time.
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 If you guys haven't finalized your internals for a motocross version yet, you should contact Don Richardson @ Ricor Shocks to see if you can license his inertia-valve design from him. He's the actual guy who invented the full-floater concept for rear shock linkages, and who also invented inertia-valve shocks FIRST. His email is don@ricorshocks.com
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 Deeeight, thanks for the conact info, we will be prototyping the moto stuff in a few months. We want to focus on the Emerald and Jade rear shock first then we can start having fun testing moto dampers!
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 Well he's got the US patent for inertia valve shocks for things other than bicycles (specialized/fox failed to declare their prior knowledge of his design when they "claimed" to have invented them when filing their patent application) so you guys would definitely be ahead of the competition.
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 Looking all good. I am still unsure on the DVO name mind but that is hardly a real concern. The graphics are not great though. Kind of remind me of the cheap nvidia graphics and other such companies that are in electrical design. To me DVOS (Prononced Devos) would have been more suitable for "Development Suspension" but yeah.

Should run a logo/graphic competition on here and see what you get back. Maybe the winner would have a free set of forks with a few runners up with T-Shirts etc.

I am not too great at putting a graphics package together but I know people out there are. Might even be worth having them as part of the team as a contract designer then?
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 interesting thought, Over the past 20 years+ of mtb suspension design. It seemed to start by imitating moto suspension in the early 90's. Then would eventually branch away into bicycle specific designs. It seems like the rest of the industry has pushed away from moto suspension technology. DVO seem to be heading back in that direction. no negatives here. I think its fantastic to see some great innovation. Love when people want to push the sport forward. I just wonder what there take on that thought is?
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 How about setting up some sort of crowdfunding/kickstarter to accelerate getting a pair of these under a WC racer next season? I'd be proud to buy a few decals to support this level of innovation, but I'd be stoked to see a racer I helped on the podium...

I'm sure you can make sure that a damaged stanchion isn't as expensive/unobtainable as certain competitors, and I'm sure their longevity of the coatings will be better Wink
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 Thats a pretty damn good idea! Kickstarter funded WC DH program, we like that! Regarding the finish, surface coatings are generally worn due to issues with the bushings and seals unless there are flaking issues which would indicate contamination with the substrate or the coating process. Since the Emerald is inverted and open bath, oil will be sitting on the seal bushing area providing well needed lubrication to the sliding surfaces. This is a key element to eliminate the abrasive aspect of dry seals and bushing wearing or abrading the stanchion surface.
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 Now theres a product I could(and will!) own. Ive already got the '12 Dorado and loving it - on the right tracks! So all of this technical nonsense about making it stiffer with your CTA - actually just makes me think: who do I have to kill to get my hands on one of those?! ;-) If you concider getting into the Scandinavian market(Norway, Sweden etc) - Im your man. Looking forward to see how DVO develops(fast and furios Im guessing). Good luck to all of ya!
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 I've never heard of DVO before this article but that being said this looks like an AWESOME product. I think it's finally worth my time to save up for a new fork Smile It's almost surprising to see someone who's open and willing for the consumers to fiddle with their product, that definitely wins points in my book. I'm glad to see a company who's willing to put in the time and effort to back up their product with facts and not just marketing BS. That being said, the green is badass. Would love to see some testing on the west coast next summer! Keep up the good work and I'd definitely be interested in something along the XC/Trail line, 120-160, ya'll know the drill.
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 As for me, i had 2002 boxxer wc which was a really good fork, i really loved it, but the travel was just 178mm so i had to change it, another problem was that the rebound was crashed right from the factory, so if i changed the rebound it just not worked (rebound worked, but the rebound change was not really noticable)...

After i bought a 2008 boxxer team, becouse the 2002 was good overall, but this was my BIGGEST MISTAKE EVER MADE, the 2008 boxxer was the most unreliable fork that i have ever had, it was super flex with the 32mm stanchions for the 203mm travel, it leaked in the flood gate (another factory mistake it is not sealed properly) and the stock seals also leaked after 2,5 weeks!!! of use (all of the boxxers doing these fact :S - really annoying if you buy a not so cheap fork and you must go to SKF to put a proper seal whick will not leak right after 2,5 weeks)... Really disappointed in that fork. This fork managed to loose my motivation for full season... After i sold it and rode forums for half month and managed to take my vote for the best fork i ever seen so far:
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 2006 Marzocchi 888 RC2X, im really happy with it, i beat my fastest time that i was ever done before --> all is that in my first run WoW!. This fork is super smooth and super rigid (compare to the 2008 boxxer team), i still use the stock 6 years old seals and no leak, and it is typically boomproof, also you don't need to service it every 2 month, it is enough 1-2x in a year! (While boxxer and fox owners service i just ride my bike muhahha!! Big Grin ) Im using this fork for 2-2,5 years now. Only thing i don't like: why the hell do Marzocchi needed SPECIAL IS Brake Mounts which is not in center - 2,5 mm to the left, i had to buy the superexpensive brake adaptor for it (which is 2x in price than the standard IS to PM adaptor would be). This is the only reason i would like to change this fork for the one year younger 2007 Marzocchi 888 RC2X VA right now, becouse as i know there is 160mm PM which is in center, and i need just 160PM to 203PM adaptor - i guess this is the best fork that i have ever tried (the 2011-2012 Marzocchi 888 RC3 Evo V2 is also a very great one). So as for me please make a super reliable fork without the factory issues (all of the boxxers, 2008-2009 marzocchi bushings...), and without the need of every 2 month service... i truly don't care if it is a little more on the scale i want a fork that i can use as fit and forget.
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 We have just the fork for you!
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 This fork looks like a winner. I find it hilarious that all these people are wanting to buy these forks when they have only just been released and not even fully tested. Heck, there isn't even a final weight for these! No disrespect towards DVOSuspension though because they look sweet. I'll wait for the rider review before I make a decision
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 Thanks bolmaing! We are really stoked with all the support and the last thing we are going to do is release a product that isn't fully tested and developed. We have been in the suspension biz a long time and know first hand the chaos created by rushing to market with a poorly developed tested product and trying to fix it later on. Thats a big reason why we left and started our own suspension program, we only have to answer to ourselves and our customers! So if we aren't ready to release things and have to wait a month or two or more, we will do it and get it right. Thanks, DVO!
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 Wow, I cant wait to see real world riders rocking the new forks. I love you guys nutted up and got busy. Im "super gooder" at crashing in funny ways. Im confident your forks will make me a better rider...right???
www.pinkbike.com/video/274851
www.pinkbike.com/video/159119
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 Looks SWEET DVO!!! Very interesting to see how the stanchion guards have a built in arch/mini-fender aye. Are they an integral pat of the forks stffness??? Very different, but very cool, I can also see the potential for an extension fender on there too. I LOVE the green upper tubes too, very sweet looking.

All in all I'm really excited to see what you guys start putting out cause I have always been in love with Marzo's forks, just not their build quality over the last few years. They've always been in another league in terms of plushness and with you guys having been such a big part of that, moving to a new company (or STARTING a new company as it were) is just going to lead to a nice new option in the suspension market I hope. Best of luck to you guys, and beautiful fork you've made. Hope to see more beautiful things coming from you guys in the future, just please keep the FR/DH stuff coming. A 650b FR fork would be sweet too :wink:
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 Shit just got real............nice looking fork out there...love the stancions....love the fork in the future we would like to seee upside down cross country fork dirt jump fork even enduro upside down can be an advantage for you if you know what are you doing
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 Have you ever considered chatting with Ohlins for development?? They are at the top of there respective field and have been for a long time.
I just want to see a gold fork come out, for serious bling..
Keep up the good work and do not forget that brand loyalty starts from a young age, Build a good low-mid range fork for the youngsters and they will be hooked for life. I will have to be patient to get my hands on a enduro fork. Awesome looking forks guys.
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 Toestumper, sorry for the late reply. We are fairly knowledgable about other suspension designs and have worked or collaborated in the past with a few other companies on the moto side. We have some great relationships with Japanese suspension people and might look into collaborating with some of them in the future. Our main goal is not to reinvent or revolutionize suspension hydraulics, there are so many proven concepts using piston and shim technology that provides excellent dynamic performance, tuning, reliability, as well as being able to manufacture it and assemble it with precision. Plus we want to provide spare parts that won't cost an arm and a leg! Thanks for the input and support! DVO
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 @DVOSuspension if these work as brilliant (no doubt much better) than my 09 Marz ATA World Cups (when they work =( I don't want to convert them to coil) then I know what fork I'll be buying! This thing looks sweet, I'm looking forward to seeing how well they work!!!
Good work guys, I've wanted some USD forks for ages and you guys have definitely caught my eye and many others!
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 so sick! when i thought things couldnt get any better... POW IN THA FACE! conic headset more rigidity carbon arch even more rigidity inverted so must well as hell with the arch we can use a neomudguard and the arch already makes a litle of mudguard... and for cherry on top of a cake ... it only wheights 2.9 to 3 kg... AND IT LOOKS PRETTY STIFF! thechology open oil bath double barrel OMG now i can die in piece... im into single crown forks but if i had to ride a double crown i would definitly love to ride this one...
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 Largest winning margin(percentage wise)in a DH race was Kovarick, a mountain of a man, with power to match)on a small scale Dorrado(Inverted).
Then there's the amount of wins Nicho V had on inverted forks.
Inverted won't suit everyone, as with most products, you need to pick the compromise that best suits you. Some might prefer the stiffness of a 40. I liked the compliance my Shivvers offered me.
Bushing placement will be important in these forks. If there is any twisting, good bushes will make a difference in plushness/performance, and twisting.
I can't wait to try a set. They tick all the right boxes for me so far.
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 Kovarick is a beast.
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 Not trying to flip you shit mate, dut I 'm not sure how "inverted won't suit everyone"... It's not like it's geometry or anything. if you ride a DC fork there's nothing to loose and lots to gain by going inverted, primarily small bump sensetivity due to reduced unsprung weight. THe seal life nd better stanchion oiling are something every suspension fork user needs so I see inverted (once flex issues are solved which I'm guessing this fork has sorted very well) as the way of the future of DH forks, maybe even SC's for some aplications. With the way Canondale has sorted out it's "one leg" inverted fork, I can see future INV. forks being every bit as stiff as their "right-side up" counter parts.

Edit: missed the part where you had a Shivver, you know what I'm talking about with plushness.
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 Some people might prefer the stiffness provided by Fox 40s. There is no way these DVOs will be as stiff for twisting. Not saying that's a bad thing, I like a bit of give. Just saying some might not. So there is something to loose for some, and yes probably lots to gain for most.
There is no proof been mentioned that the lower moving unsprung parts on the DVOs and possibly any inverted fork are lighter than say a Boxxer, or 40s mag lowers and internals. You have magnesium lowers Vs CNCed ally drop outs and stanchions externally. And the internals can be set up to be unsprung weight or not in either type of fork.
Inverted single crowns will always be a no no I'd say, it's too hard to make them stiff enough without the extra crown. They still have to fit under the down tube, and I highly doubt you'll see even DVO releasing any. I'll bet they release a conventional(non inverted)single crown. They have stated they will make what's best, without any character marketing type crap overruling logic.
Cannondales fork gets more overlap having it inverted.
Yeah Shivver was plush as I'm guessing the DVO will be. I like inverted, but I can easily remember when the majority didn't when it was Shivver, White Bos, Mr Dirt and Dorrado Vs Boxxer, then 888, and 40s..
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 Valid points for sure. And I see what you're saying about weight, I just remembered someone pointing that out in another thread about how light the Boxer lowers are so i guess that kind of negates a big benefit point. Inverted SC's could be done, but i'm with you, I doubt we'll see a whole lot of push to bring one to market aye. I'm also old enough to remember those MARZ RACs and how sloppy they felt off camber... yikes!!! I also wonder if there's anything they could do with the axle to make it stiffer like making the axle its self be wider (not a bigger diamater, but a longer axle to the clmps could be wider meaning more strength/leverage over the individual dropouts flexing a thte clamping point. Like take a pencil and hold in in a grip with only 2 fingers and your thumb -vs- holding it with your full grip, does that make sense???) so there was better torsional "grip" to keep the individual legs tied to one another (with the lack of an arch, this is where most of the flex in inverts comes from). But I'm betting the DVO guys pulled out every stop to make this as stiff as possible. I aplaud DVO on a great looking fork and a job well done aye. It's a gorgeous fork in my eyes.
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 I'm not exactly in the market for DH forks anymore, but here's a word of advice from someone who remembers forks that promised to be the latest and greatest but instead quickly turned into stictiony pieces of junk with scored stanchions and oil pissing all over the place - Hanebrink, ZZyzzx, RS Psylos, Trixxys and even the first Fox forks:

Wait a year until real world consumer testing is over.

Every Aussie knows to test the water before you dive in.
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 Sweet work Guys, great to see more advancement in the inverted market, I remember when I started Dh 14 years ago the guys I rode with who were excllent mechanics and riders all had inverted, Larry had White Brothers, Dave had Hanebrinks and Darrell had Mr Dirt's, Marzocchi Shivers and Dorados and maybe Foes at some point. the Mr Dirt being the best by far possibly, the Hanebrinks didn't work in the the wet Irish mud Smile Mad to see all those forks in a small town in Ireland, Darrell is still riding fast and might just be the best bike technician in the country so I know he's gonna be mad for these. Emerald Green too you should sponsor the Irish team Smile ) I can't wait to see the Enduro offering which is all I ride now.Best of luck and respect for all the replies.
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 Its a shame the market steered away form inverted designs too and it has a lot to do with manufacturing costs of inverted versus conventional plus the perceived flex issue. Thanks for the support and we will make sure to sponsor the Irish National DH Team (if there is one?).
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 Seriously, take my money and shut up. I want one, in that green, for my TR450, and I want it now daddy, now!

On a side note, how do you think this fork will hold up to a heavier rider? I am 245# of man jello, and while stiffness for a 160# guy might not matter it does for Fatty McFatfat.

And are you going with a standard Boxxer crown?
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 it will definitely have the 4 bolt standard.
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 Wouldn't it be great if someone can build a reasonably priced entry level fork that can be upgraded by buying a replacement damper/spring assembly, which the owner can install himself using basic tools and would not require him to send the fork to a service center? I guess this would be too far fetched since people would stop buying new forks.
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 tonycoopers opinion (note: i didnt say knowledge) must be very valid. he is in Greece. a country with a thriving economy & many MTB brands.
eeerrr no wait, i misread summat! il go with DVO. massive collective knowledge from decades of experiance in BOTH MTB & MX, plus a strong link with a huge manufacturing facility. could you make them in red pleeease? im goin ridin
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 While everyone is thinking shorter travel, I am wondering if there will b an option for a longer travel fork. something like the Super Monster T. Right now the only option is the Risse Big Foot.
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 probably not but one can dream. Avalanche also make a longer travel fork (250mm=10") by custom order but it'll cost ya +$3000!
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 You never know!
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 Continuing a conversation Tom and I had in the back of the mighty OTE Sports van in Sedona last Winter, any interest in pursuing a rotary steering damper at some point, a la Hopey?
Those damn things are addictive but with more and more frames running integrated headsets it's getting more difficult to retrofit them, which makes my bikes that don't have a damper feel super-squirrely now. Perhaps approaching it from an integrated-with-suspension angle could yield a solution, although somehow you'd still have to anchor the damper to the frame... just a thought. They are a great way to make a quick-handling bike more stable, which is a lot easier than making a stable bike turn; and they make technical climbs so much easier on the trail & AM bikes.
Mirroring the overall stoke expressed here, I'm really looking forward to watching DVO take off. Congrats on coming out of the gate with such a killer attitude and approach to your customer base, and a dynamite-looking product - best of luck!
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 as the time progresses know for a fact we will see more inverted forks look at the audi concept bike they use an inverted suspension fork,anyway would you guys offer a coil spring opttion? would be nice lol. btw haters shut up and get on with life
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 DVO have said a coil upgrade is probably easily achievable. Might be a good option for larger riders. Or if mid stroke or initial stroke need support. All depends how the air spring character/spring rate turns out.
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 Dudes, when can i test it over here in germany?!!you've got one hell of a sexy beast out here, if it runs as good as i expect it to be from you guys,it'll be one badass fork!Have been riding the good old magura big ego, shivers, the 2004 dorado so i'm stuck with the look of usd forks. currently i'm running boxxers world cup, but for this baby i would sell them instantly!
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 I do like the fork very much, it all looks promising and well executed.
Even though I find the CTA very unattractive, this fork is a must have (depending on the german retail prices)

One thing I do not understand though:

How can 2 Aluminium tubes with dropouts be lighter than a MgAl Casting? Cannot really imagine that.

And one Question left to ask:

Does the fork have a hydraulik bottom out or top out circuit?
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 Hmmm, showing a rear shock next week you are, eh? Really looking forward to it!
As for the colors, it does look extremely good! If there is no possibility to go fully-red as you stated in the comments somewhere above and only going "murdered-out"black ( Big Grin Big Grin Big Grin ), couldn't you atleast offer different-colored stickers? Smile
And one last question, don't know if someone asked you in the comments cause they are already too much to cover them all (spent already around an hour reading them and only got to the half of them) - what's the coating of the stantions? Looks very Kashima-inspired from the photos, but i'm pretty sure you're more than capable of thinking about an alternative. Smile
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 this just proves that anything green is in serious demand. poc lids, chromag bars/stems/seats and hoodies. My old gangreen heckler.
It seems every bike company has a neon or lime green frame that sells out. Why the hell did it take so long to replace indigo?
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 Green is an awesome color but we know its not for everyone so there will be options!
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 I am beyond STOKED!!!! I was a die hard Marz fan for many years, and had awesome customer service. Everytime I called for shop questions or warranty stuff, I always dealt with Ronnie, and I'm stoked that DVO brought him on board! Can't wait to check out the kick ass new products! Any sponsorship opportunities for trail and bike park builders?
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 I saw your guys' truck out at Tapia Canyon a few weeks ago! My ride buddies and I hung around for about 10-15 minutes hoping to catch you guys and get some "Free samples" or maybe a sticker! No such luck, but maybe we'll catch you on G-Out one of these days!
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 You can always stop by the office and grab some decals or maybe even a t-shirt? We ride all the time and usually carry decals with us for people she want some.
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 @DVOTECH1

Canadian Rep already lined up? We seeing a service center in Canada also?
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 We have a few reps in areas that we are going to be working in. I just noticed that my flag was not correct!! I work out of the Valencia office with the rest of the gang.
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 that means the first 2 production years for end users is without "collet clamping system"???

Titanium Collet Clamps

All current double crown forks in the MTB and the MX world utilize some sort of pinch-bolt system to hold the upper tubes in place, but DVO is considering a different method: collets. The collet system used on the Emerald consists of tube sections with vertical splines and an external wedge shape. Tightening a threaded ring (with the required spanner wrench) that is positioned above pulls the section upwards, locking the fork tube in place due to the wedge-shaped internal profile of the section. It is very similar to what is used to hold tool bits securely into high rpm machines (drills and CNC machines for example), although this would be the first time that a collet setup has been put to use to hold fork tubes in place. One upside of the collet design is the large and even clamping force it provides, but the system could also result in a lighter overall package compared to the more common pinch bolt arrangement. While all of the above sounds good on paper, and the design should present no technical issues due to the robust upper tubes of the Emerald fork, production costs may keep the collet clamping system from reaching production. If so, a standard pinch bolt design will likely be used on 2014 model year forks, with DVO hoping to put the collet system to use on 2015 products.
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 Congrats on the great execution Bryson, really surprising. Weight figures difficult to match I think, but this product shows the great effort you've been doing 24/7 during the past months. Carbon Torsion Arch and Twin Tube are both great features as well... No doubt DVO will have its marketshare; no problem to sell some hundreds of those, although 2014 is coming strong on the DH scene as the other brands are pushing as well.. Well, every year this is a challenge you know so well for so long. Congrats and the best luck for the future also with the DH shock and enduro fork and the future stuff still to come... And have fun in TW if you guys attend these days. Smile Awesome job Mike Levy here!!
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 Theirs a guy talking about selling his kidney to buy a fork? That's crazy! Gimme his address to his house I'll see you guys In a few days with a human kidney, and have his suspension ready. I'll have vital info for you guys to properly set him up. Ridingstyle, height, anybody weight -one kidney. That's how loyal i am to DVO. I'll cut a mutha f#(ka over this sh!t
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 I think his kidney showed up this morning.
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 If you send one to Switzerland could you please send two? one for cast1200 and one for me?
Anyway, it's great that you respond to pretty much all of the posts here, I think that shows that you care about people who probably are going to ride your fork in the future, not sure some big players would do that.
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 That color is f**king sexy. Black & Green color scheme on a bike is killer. The technical elemants of the fork is brilliant to. If it works as well as it looks your on to a winner from me.
In all fairness USD forks are the way for DH. So much better handling.
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 Coolest approach you could have in this industry. Please let Drake @ ISO know when these are available, he has my card on file and Ill take 2! I am getting tired of not being able to service my own stuff and I'm scared if Fox catches me with there products apart I might go to jail! lol Thanks DVO for keeping it real
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 Been following this story and the comments since it broke. 756 comments now, I think that speaks volumes for the excitement about this product and how much the industry needs it. I have been a BOS fan for years based on the engineering principles and the passion, they have the products but customer service is seriously lacking. DVO look like they have a winning combination. Can't wait to find out how well these ride.
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 looks and sounds sweet, good job DVO about time the market had a true competitor, time to give the big boys a scare, good luck DVO i look forward to trying out your products :-)
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 My mind is blown! More by the read up than the photos.
Really like your philosophy of letting & helping the user become an internal tuning guru, since I consider myself trainable and love to geek out.
From personal experience, the Dorado 2012 feels incredible but this is new tech which sounds super promising. Definitely an upgrade for my acid green Mondraker Summum haha. Can't wait to get DVO powered and shred like a wannabe factory supercross star that I am haha.
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 Actually really like the look of it and the fact that's inverted , also love that their a new company , be curious to see how they fair against the bigger players in the game.

Would be really really interested in trying one and seeing what it's like under race conditions and general riding , what it's like to set up etc.
Probably never be able to get my hands on one anyway , money and even if someone decides to stock them here.

But serious props really love that its slightly different but still nice on the eyes.

Hope yous do well and keep producing stuff like this. Good luck! Smile
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 Thank you very much!!
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 one of these, on the front of a Zerode with a converted X9 trigger shifter, with one of the upcoming DVO shocks, Hope brakes, Sunn/Profile wheels, super wide low-rise bars, a 0deg direct mount stem... it would be about unstoppable on the DH!
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 :-) it is unstoppable right now with Dorado Pro!
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 ill be waiting on a green dj fork from you guys i love the design of the inverted fork too. Its awesome how you guys are spending time to comment on everyone's feedback! that really changes my mind about companies when they do that kind of stuff. also you guys sent out shirts and stickers which is awesome thanks alot!
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 The shirts and decals helped us ease the scene for the this introduction. We have some pretty cool stuff that we are just waiting to unleash over the next couple of years! It feels great to be on the wining side with future customers and friends.
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 thats awsome!
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 I think this could be a turning point in suspension, a new company is a fresh start for the suspension industry in a way, it gives other companies a challenge to produce better things and it makes company's more competitive to release a better product. A new company can also mean new technology put into a fork, other companies can see this and build on it if they like the ideas and think its worth while. It's really cool to see how quickly DVO has a suspension of some kind, only 7 months and a full fork is already in prototyping, my congrats goes out to Brahe people behind this ! It people like you who make the bike (in this case suspension) industry move forward ! Looking forward to seeing pricing on these things !
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 The people* lol f*cking I phone autocorrect
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 7 months is impressive... but then again, these guys are anything but rank amateurs. One of the biggest reasons i'm excited about DVO is that you've got some of the people that made quality MTB suspension happen in the first place, in charge of their own destiny again.
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 For sure! Its our passion and we love what we do.
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 Been following DVO closely since they were announced. I am thoroughly excited for tgis fork to release for purchase. Ive been nursing my current fork for a year ehile trying to decide what i want next. I've found it! The Emerald has everything i want. Good job guys!
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 Been running the Dorados on personal bikes for about 3 years now. The Fox 40 are stuff yet tear open on hard rock impacts the Boxxer WC needs a monthly rebuild and neither seemed very good in high speed chop. If you seals last as long as the ones on the Dorado seem to then your fork should be awesome. I dont feel like replacing seals every other month. I feel it should maybe be an annual task.
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 Yes for sure, we are using high quality components and top notch manufacturing/assembly procedures. Seal life and overall durability are on the top of our design philosophy.
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 As someone who lives in the corridor and spends a lot of time in Whistler bike park, I am excited at the prospect of longevity. I can not tell you just how frustrating it is seeing parts dying in front of your eyes as you ride. I'm pointing the finger primarily at SRAM products here. I've got new 888's for next season but I'm very interested to see the outcome of these! Nothing better than competition.
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 We know Whistler very well and that place eats bike parts all day long. We will be spending a lot of time there this summer. Come on by our truck and we will be happy to let you demo the new emerald.
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 Bring your truck to Silver Star in 2013 as well!
I know a few people who can put it through a good work out.
Myself included.

As far as stanchion colors...DVO green, Black/Grey, Red and Blue.
Not sure how many color options are realistic to stock but at least DVO green and a black Black/Grey option.

Good luck and I can't wait to see your Endruo/AM fork!
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 I am sure we will see you there. We plan on hitting the road to put a nasty beat down on the product we develop.
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 Looks like it may be time for the Big Boys to set another plate at their Suspension Table. New technology and innovative design means better products BY everyone, FOR everyone!!!!!!!! Props DVO. Best wishes for a long successful run in the suspension game.
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 Thanks antmav, we think its better to have a few more viable options out there and we will work hard to provide one.
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 "the twin tube system is is found within some of the most acclaimed off-road moto suspension designs, especially those created by a certain highly rated Swiss company"

The only famous company I can think of with a twin tube design (aka double barrel?) would be Öhlins. But they are Swedes, not Swiss. So? Öhlins or something else?
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 Twin Tubes are widely used and they work great in many applications especially for long travel designs.
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 But the article is referring to Öhlins?
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 DT *Swiss* maybe?
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 What was the question?
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 The Double Barrel is a licensed Ohlins design, is it not? Hence the reference to the Swiss.
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 DT Swiss doesn't make moto stuff. All i can think of is also Öhlins and yes, they are Swedish, not Swiss.
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 My mistake. Fixed!
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 Will they come in gold then?
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 Gold uppers? Gold stanchions? Could be really pimp!
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 Yes please!
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 Guys I gotta say after reading this article this seems to be a really well thought out high quality fork. I especially like the tuneable damper. To be totally honest...it seems like you looked at all of the known short comings with everything on the market today and just completely eliminated them. I hope I see some of these at the races in 2013 and ideally would like to be riding one by 2014. I only ask that you please get this to market at a price the majority of riders can afford. From the looks of the photos this thing could be in excess of 2K...If you can get it to the market for less than a Dorado but comparable to a Fox 40 or a Boxxer WC...I'll be sold.
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 Thanks buddy, appreciate the kind words! We are working hard at defining a price, especially with all the high quality parts that go into the Emerald! We will be competitive!
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 ".If you can get it to the market for less than a Dorado but comparable to a Fox 40 or a Boxxer WC"

What does this mean? The Dorado costs the same as a 40/Boxxer/888...
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 In the UK at the moment the pricing sits like this:

Foes F1 XTD: £1849
Bos Idylle RaRe: £1589
Fox 40RC2 Fit : £1449
Marzocchi 888 RC3 Evo TI 2012: £1399
Bos Idylle: £1189
Manitou Dorado Pro: £1169
RockShox Boxxer WC Solo Air: £1099
Conspiracy DH Fork: £899
RockShox Boxxer R2C2: £850
Marzocchi 888CR: £699

You can shop around to get some discounted for instance the Marz. Forks but the others are 2013 lineup prices and I haven't got the price for Marz. 2013 products. Now if the Emerald came in around the Manitou Dorado Pro/Bos Idylle that would really give the product a chance in the UK. It is a hard market here.

I am sure there are other forks out there and I haven't listed all models from the same range but this at least gives a good idea.
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 Hmmm, strange prices! I personally think the Dorado is worth the same as Fox and Mz. But idon't think the DVO is about to be at the lower end of this price list. I'm expecting it on the higher end due to all the new concepts brought to the MTB world by this fork. And i'm thinking more andmore that it would be worth it!
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 I love what DVO are doing and yes they are bringing new stuff to the Mountain Biking world but remember this tech (at least most of it) is not new. It has been in the MX industry for a long time. It is something that they know well.

The new concepts here really are the new materials used, the manufacturing process, the support, the collet design for the tube leg (although this has also been done with other applications in mind) so again not re-inventing the wheel or really dramatically changing to a new super damper or anything. Well branded, well packaged product with the support and aftermarket is what the aim seems to be here and so far they are delivering even without the products but with the website and communication.

Cost will come from the materials used and the support costs world wide for support and promotion. Development comments have also been kept to a minimum with DVO thanks to the 3D printer, previous experience with the technology etc. So I don't see why they could not price it to suit the Bos Idylle/Manitou area. It was also stated they are aiming for a $1500 price so that would equate to £950. Obviously we all know that by the time it hits UK shores the price inflates but I would be disappointed to see them market straight at the Bos Idylle RaRe & 40RC2 range.
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 Well, yeah, it's been in the MX industry for a while, but bringing it in the MTB world in a smaller, lighter package is a good enough achievement for me. Smile But as you stated, this isn't the only thing the fork is insteresting about. Smile And yet, i still cannot seem to find the reason a Dorado or an Idylle is priced lower than a 40...
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 Because Fox over price their products knowing that they get allot of publicity from the worlds and pro riders. They also do have to cover the cost of sponsoring them all which may reflect in some of the cost we see but this wouldn't really make the difference of £260 (ish) per fork sold.

The Bos are cheaper because there is no local support, no sponsorship's for them to cover etc, it just the product and warranty.

The Manitou's are cheaper because of the old reputation and stimga out there. Keeping prices down to dry and draw people to using their products again. Also Manitou are not sponsoring much overall.
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 wow... talking in weights lower than some pretty good standards actually on sale at the moment... that's pretty bold!!! knowing that the Fox and the Boxxer are "normal" forks and this one is inverted... and can't say by the specs you're using premium materials, besides the carbon CTA... no titanium coils... or any other parts... but even so... and thinking on the price tag on the AM... what can we expect??? Something around the F40?...
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 We are using a lot of high quality internal and external parts for sure. It's amazing how the quality of seals, o rings, glide rings, surface finishing, bushing, etc all add up to the difference of a good fork and a great fork and we aim for great. The price target is around what the other premium brands are listed for, we are working hard to achieve that.
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 True, not just quality but quality that lasts
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 Suspension should not be a disposable item.
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 forks with this price tags aren't disposable "heroes"! My 2 forks have more than 3 years... and one is a Marzo Bomber Z1SL and still rocks!!! I need the money to ride and travel! not just to ride at home!!!
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 "Suspension should not be a disposable item."
This is a brilliant philosophy. I wish more manufacturers would take this on board. Durability/longevity should be more important than weight IMO. Especially now that we have light enough components, and great technology.
Zerode and some other manufacturers have embraced this.
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 Will it be any rider on the 2013 Worl Cup who will use this fork? I'm curious to see how it performes.
I know you guys come from a big company which made several faulty steps in the last 6 years, minding only to the budget and nothing to the quality of their products (exept very few products, you know what I mean). I hope you can rise between the three major brands, if your product will be good you certainly will.
I'd like to see your 160mm fork.

Cheers
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 We are working on getting some top guys for next year. We did come from a big company and that was the problem, it was too big and things got lost between the cracks and the people making the decisions weren't riding bicycles. Now we are a small crew of passionate riders who want to make great products and provide excellent support.
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 Hooooray for the small crews of passionate riders! Smile
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 we keep it real!!
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 Im not a top rider, but I would totally use these! I found my next fork!
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 @dvo- "Now we are a small crew of passionate riders who want to make great products and provide excellent support" and this is why im going to buy one. imo all the suspension for my skill level is really really good. what makes a sale for me is the support of the company and where they came from. mad props to you guys
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 Thanks immacaroni! Thats why we left and started our own program, its about passion and making a difference in what we do. All of us are long time bike nuts and we can't fit into the corporate mold so here we are, making dream products and supporting the customer. We wont disappoint!
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 Yeeehhaaaaa but can i have yellow not green lol I loved my shivers just not the twist on landing large senders.. Have custom tuned my 888 evo's in my shed and love them.. This looks like the bad ass child of the shivers and evo's....
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 Been following DVO closely since they were announced. I am thoroughly excited for tgis fork to release for purchase. Ive been nursing my current fork for a year ehile trying to decide what i want next. I've found it! The Emerald has everything i want. Good job guys!
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 do you think i'll get enough change from selling a kidney to buy these forks and get my bike painted so suit, also maybe DVO should team up with Hope to do their team downhill bikes to make lean mean green flying machine.
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 Just saw a show here in Taiwan of a guy who sold a kidney to a japanese mafia king pin for 50 grand! You will have a bunch of money left over to at least afford a weekend in Whistler! (Whistler is expensive joke).
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 gotta love the "British racing green" tradition, even if your're a surly colonist. =P
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 My ex is Japanese, this gets me thinking... i hope it wasn't 50k Yen, I'd be gutted!!!
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 i'm impressed with the weight! a very low weight for what seems, if you put it in different colors much better because not everyone green looks good on their bikes. looks good fork!
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 Limited runs, sounds like BOS pricing range i bet. Dam sexy though...black and green...like a sexxy kawasaki ninja Smile
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 DVO said when they started that they would aim for the very top of the market first, since it would allow them to design what they wanted rather than what the price point dictated.

If this is anything to go by, that was a good decision, 36mm 'not' Kashima coated DH fork? Colour me interested for the single crowns coming next year!
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 Inverted Single Crown...mmmmm. I want in on that action also.
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 when you will send all the guys which ask for a testfork, you must produce containers of it. and from what will you life? great fork, nice look and a alternative to the other firms at the bike buisness.
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 DVO I know you guys want to make the best fork in the world and this sure looks it but please try to keep your prices reasonable, we dont need anymore people like Fox in the market, that said I'll probably still go for it
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 As a mechanical engineering student I love seeing new bike companies with new takes on suspension technology making a presence in the world! super interesting and informative! Keep up the good work!
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 Am I the only one that wants a burly long travel single crown fork? Totems and 66s are great, but I'd love something better!
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 Working on it Jimmy!
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 DVO, if that burly SC fork is a SC version of the green beast above, I think I might just wet myself with excitement. Will you do different colours I wonder? I assume it's anodised, so loads of potential for Hope-style mix-n-match? Smile
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 You're not only one, Jimmy!
Great job DVOSuspension, I'm waiting for a single crown enduro/fr beast with a long plush travel Smile
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 Man these forks are going to change the game for sure! I'm envisioning some straight up factory TiNi or DLC coating on those stanchions to top it off. Can't wait to ride these bad boys.
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 If this is the evolution of the old shiver, I would really like to try it out/test it out......It´s great to see new things in the market!
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 That thing looks like it has magical powers.

I love inverted forks. Back when I used to care about this kind of shit (bike tech) I shit all over Marzocchi for that 12" Monster T they built for Bender because it was a conventional fork with a "gull wing" lower crown. It was the stupidest thing ever & I'm not positive but it may very well have been Bryson Martin who asked me how many forks I had designed & then proceeded to tell me that his sons KX 60 had a conventional fork with a "gull wing" lower crown. I just said "when your son is jumping 200'+ & back flipping his MX, then take note of what kind of fork he uses & lemme know. Like I said, can't remember if it was Bryson, but if it was, I'm glad to see that you finally know what you're doing.

To say that weight is less of an issue on an MX is clueless. F1 race cars are painted with lightweight paint. Lowering unsprung weight in a suspension system matters on all high performance vehicles. Lowering overall weight matters on all high performance vehicles. If you wanna try using a little common sense for a change, think about where weight savings would be more beneficial, on a DH mountain bike that rolls down a hill, or on an MX bike that in a lot of cases weighs more than the rider on it flipping & spinning it through the air over 100'+ foot gaps. If you wanna argue weight is less of an issue on an MX then why not look at it the other way & see the fact that MXs are subjected to drastically larger forces in all directions as well. When you double the diameter of a tube, you quadruple its rigidity. The highest stress on a fork leg is right at the bottom of the lower crown. It's much better to have the larger tubes in the crowns than trying to oversize the smaller ones like on Fox's fork. More clamping surface on the axles is all that's really needed & honestly a bigger axle wouldn't be a bad idea. Inverts provide more bushing overlap too, which helps in the rigidity department as well as other departments.
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 One thing that you have not mentioned/considered maybe is weight distribution. It is all good saying that putting the lightest forks on the front of an MX bike would help and get them spinning through the air but the weight that the forks are at are actually optimised (Obviously not 100%, that's impossible) to the rest of the bike to make sure that you have control on the bike while in the spin.

If all the weight was at the mid/rear of the bike all riders would have to force themselves into the landing to get the front down and stop under rotation. The same could be said for a fork that weighed too much. You would constantly be trying to stop over rotation. With all that in mind the zone that best suites the weight of MX forks happens to mean you can use allot more material, larger diameter and more generic materials tubes etc to get the required strength/stiffness/weight that they require.

Further to this mountain bikes need a different design philosophy. When the bike weighs drastically less than the rider then the forces are less as you have stated above. DH forks on a mountain bike are much more critical in weight distribution compared to the MX bike as they are still a substantial part of the weight on the bike around 10%-15% of total mass hanging off the front. If you then added all the other components and compared the front/rear weight distribution you would see how front heavy a bike is and how the rider is left compromising between perfect posture for stability and weight distribution to keep the bike on track and fast.

Anyways, I am kind of rambling and someone else could probably explain what I have said better but you should at least see where DVO are coming from with the comment. It may not be 100% accurate but it is 99% and means that the average joe can also understand what is being said without making it complicated.
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 freerideforever do some more research, you are putting forward very basic arguments that are virtually irrelevant. MX bikes forks are a lot lighter compared to the bikes overall weight. They're made out of different materials that effects design. MX bikes are ridden totally differently, with the riders weight positioned differently, and they have lots and lots of power that will push the bike forward, forks deflecting slightly or not. They're steered with the throttle and body weighting, and bike leaning a lot more than on a MTB.
I think you'll find that unsprung weight for MTB inverted forks is probably heavier than most conventional MTB forks(not saying thats the case for the DVOs, but nobody but DVO knows this so it's irrelevant to the debate). MX forks need fore/aft stiffness and strength more, as they have more weight driving them into stuff, and landing on them.
I never minded the twisting "flex" of Shivvers, but I'm light, and not that powerful, I think it may have even helped me. The Kowa GFs I have had did flex too much, and the Kowa conventional forks are superior. I also thought the 888 chassis was better, but my perception might have been because of weight etc than stiffness. Not sure why they went to 38mm for the 888 stanchions. Maybe to suit internals. The Shivver never flexed noticeably like the Kowa GF. My Maverics would also flex a lot. I think my White Brothers where okay for not flexing too much, but that was years ago.
I think the DVOs will probably be brilliant, but I'm not going to bang any hype cans based on guessing. Same as I never banged on about inverted forks being to flexy back in the day, when all the fan boy band wagon was.
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 NoSkidMarks, I'd say the same about your argument & curly's as well. A little more weight in the front, or in the rear matters little to a rider who has a clue what they're doing (maybe some research on your end could help to see this). People did just fine with those conventional pigs Marzocchi used to make with only 7" of travel. What was a Monster T like 10 pounds?

If there is a shitty inverted fork on the market then it is shit because it is shit, not because it's inverted. Whatever flaw you may find with an inverted fork, it exists because it wasn't designed properly. There are more advantages to inverted forks than there are disadvantages & more advantages over conventionals. If you steer with a throttle on an MX, I steer with a manual on a DH. There is more than one way to steer a bike & place the wheels where you want them. Maybe you should research how to ride & leave the technology alone. Inverted forks are superior & if you're the kind of rider that worries how much a fork is flexing, you're probably not a very good one.

You wanna know what the real difference is between MX & MB? Or for that matter MX riders & MB riders? In MX, the riders worry about riding the bikes. None of them give a flying f*ck about how stiff a handlebar, or a swing arm or a fork is. They care that the bike works. They care about power, they care about weight, they care about durability & that's about it, because that's about all that really matters. For a bicycle, the power components aren't an issue, so the industry tries to make big issues out of a whole lot of nothing, you know, so it seems like improvements are constantly being made. How many different contraptions are there out there now just to move a rear wheel up & down? It's more ridiculous than the exercise industry with ab machines.

Inverted forks don't flex too much, mountain bikers blame the wrong things for their lack of skills too much.
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 I think I might hold off on buyin an enduro fork. Was thinking of a magura fork for my enduro machine but maybe not now. Be so sick to have an inverted 160-170mm fork. All the best luck
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 Finally!!!! An inverted fork i actually like!!!! Although i have to say that the green is an awsom color but there should be more color choices to really make people look twice at it...not that they wont hahaha
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 Thanks man! We want them too!
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 Can't wait for the release of this fork! Been awaiting a view of your prototype from the moment I read of DVO starting up. I'd have this fork no question on the front of my bike. Brad.
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 You won't have to wait very long
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 Sweet I just got a fork by the time I want a new one for my sc heckler or I build a sc nomad the enduro fork could be out so going to buy one. There should be a pre order lol. But this fork makes me want a dh bike now.
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 Enduro products coming soon!
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 "GREEN is CLEAN" hell yeah! This is a good reminder to all of us, let's make the world green. Don't just hit the trail, clean it..Goodluck DVO! Will shoot an email later..Cheers!
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 Couldn't care less what this costs, if it works, it's going on my bike, time to shop for green components I think...
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 Thanks! Bright green could make a comeback from the 80's!
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 the scott voltage fr 20 already bought back bright green! hence these will be going on mine!
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 that just looks like the replacement for my old tired boxxer forks, i wanted a pair of inverted forks in while now, but no improvement in that area, keep up the good work, i'm dying to try one of those bad boys Big Grin
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 Dvo, congratulations! good job! I liked the system of crows, collets and tapered steerer ...
I sent an email to @ ronnied, my address is colombodhcycles@gmail.com, I await your response.
Greetings
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 @dvosuspension, i can tell you a question?
why steer tube is also tapered? because has a greater rigidity or because a greater compatibility for mounting on frames with tapered head tube?

thx
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 I will give my opinion when there is something to say........after a long term test and a SRP!! I have an idea it will become another $$$$$$$$$$$$ fork that knowone can afford!
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 It looks BADASS!!! Don't get me wrong, but I will blow my head off, if I will ever scratch those fancy legs. This is jewelry and I'm sorry for those who will start riding like pussys bevcause of it. Smile
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 Don't worry its built tough!
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 Love it! I have never been able to find a better feeling fork since my old Shivers. Can't wait to be able to rock these on our bermy, booter filled Kamloops trails!
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 Kamloops is awesome!
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 When I had shivers I had to release or bleed air out the topcap everyfew runs.
Will this be required on these forks? If so how will that work when its air sprung?
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 There's no better fork in my opinion than a 2006 Marz 888, assuming its all the same engineering staff not having to deal with a new Taiwanese manufacturer I look forward to what you guys can create!
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 Wanna know the price.....the green looks amazing and also inovation in the collet clamps....good job guys.....feel free to send me some if any further "in-field" testing is needed!!! :-)
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 We are trying to nail down a price and trying to keep it in line and we can always use more testers!
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 You need someone to test that? I'll give it a go!
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 Passed all this on to my lbs. They were so impressed with the details, they will be contacting you regarding dealership asap.
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 Hope there is going to be a limited Edition bike at 2013 with yt-industries ^^ so i would be able to buy this and a new bike with good condition.....sorry being a poor f*g ^^
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 Look awesome but pricey I guess, look certain to bust a steerer tube or two!
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 these look f*cking sick Big Grin great job and I can't wait to if there as good as they look ( but if their looks are anything to go by the holy shit ) Big Grin
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 ya looks pimp, i really dont care if she is upside down or not. i think we just need a susp that works smooth for a good price.
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 would like to see that adopted for 29er wheel with 160mm of travel for my dream enduro bike, (with 605b rear wheel with 160mm of travel too Smile )
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 How is "DVO" short for "Developed Suspension"? Call me crazy but I think "DS" would have been more correct. Enlighten me someone!
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 DS doesn't sound that good! When we first sat down to with our development plan our code name for engineering drawings were marked "DVO" so we thought it would be a perfect fit for the company.
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 Why don't you call the company Debo?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPecdZnWngg
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 Too late, we already have business cards made.
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 It was just a joke! DVO sounds and looks great Smile
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 Man you were busting our balls there! No worries!
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 Yea. I like DVO better. Was just curious as to how it came to be. Regardless of the name of the company, these forks are DVOlicious! I'd probably lick the candy green right off if I had a set.
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 Yes you got it! DVO Developed!
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 Moto inspired valving and dampers that I can play with in the living room, about Freaking time! If you can nail the weight of the 888 ti or lighter I'm in!
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 i run FOES F1 on my DHS mono, White Brothers on my Hydro and Dorado on my RS7..... want to try out your beauty....
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 Thanks roterblitz, coming soon!
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 It reminds me of seeing tits for the first time that weren't my moms and in all black and green it would bring em up to my first DDs...
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 6 hundred comments... for a fork ? That's pure freeride spirit ! Ooh yeah !
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 935 oooh yeah!!!
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 If you guys are ever looking for young rippers to join your race team then check out MarkleMedia. These two boys are 10 and 12, both racing and having fun!
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 looks amazingly good, the whole system looks damn well thought out! cant wait to get my hands on the fork and shock to match !
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 well, I'm looking forward for a AllMountain in 27,5" and rear shock... named??? what Rubi? Wink www.gemselect.com/other-info/gemstone-list.php
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 I miss my old Shivers... Both the DC and SC... Looks better than the pics I saw the other week.... Now, if I only had a bike I could put that on......
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 Time for a new bike.
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 Ronnie, you soon will learn that isn't always so easy... LOL.. But, something in a flat black DH bike with that on the front would be SICK... And I don't even like the whole flat black bike craze...
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 I am really hoping i get to see one of these floating around whistler this summer, or a nice surprise would be DVO as the bike park sponsor? yes? Razz
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 Now we just need Sam Hill to run a black and green Monster bike again These things would look great on his old demo. Also DVS would have been a cooler name (as in devious)
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 I dont have a problem with that at all An enduro sc fork on a spesh enduro in green and black would look great too Is cedric on your list of riders to promote these?
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 FUCKFUCKFUCK I just bought a brand new dorado
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 Get out and ride it!
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 @FranckR

ride it hard and wear it out in time for the launch of this mother !! :o)
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 didn't like inverted forks before, but these one looks so damn sexy that i could cheat on my girlfriend........ just for a discount hahahaha
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 Awesome! Cheating time.
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 What is the benefit with inverted forks?
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 It has a lot to do with how loads are handled from a structural standpoint, mainly with having the larger stiffer upper tube about the smaller diameter stanchion. There is less binding under compression and horizontal or back/forth stiffness is excellent. There is also the factor of unsprung weight but thats becoming less and less a defining element because magnesium castings and closed cartridge systems are extremely light.
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 DVO did you consider a new wider drop out standard for the new 27.5 wave, that would probably benefit from wider spaced flanges on their hubs?
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 looks sweet but still very skeptical about price. if its only offered in one model not much flexibility on price for components.
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 The great thing going for us is we have the largest suspension manufacturer in the world helping us procure parts and we "hope" our pricing will be excellent.
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 remember, you get what you pay for...and if you want a mediocre price, expect a mediocre fork...and I'm pretty sure this fork won't be mediocre by any means! Razz
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 Semi moist. May need a cold shower.
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 From the looks of it, you guys have a lot of support already! Can't wait to see the final product! I'm hoping for a 160mm option to throw on my Remedy in the near future Smile
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 By the length of this comment thread in such a short amount of time, i would say DVO has a hit Will DVO be at Fontana races?
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 DVO loves Fontucky!
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 I once saw DVO at Riversippi!
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 We will be there soon!
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 is molybdenum disulphide == kashima.? also a bit off topic but do you do much modeling on matlab or any other program to see how a shock responds ?
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 Moly coat has been used for years and Kashima got a good jump on it in the bike biz with marketing help from fox.
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 I am super interested in purchasing this fork when it comes out, but I am afraid it will be uber expensive. Are you guys with QBP?
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 We will meet with Tyler at QBP soon, I'm sure they will be interested in carrying the products.
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 Swwwwwweeeeeettttt.
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 id love to build a black bike with them green forks and a green shock to match.
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 I really like this! Hope you come up with a 180 duel position set up. Love the bright color. Maybe offer custom color options?
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 Thanks! We have a murdered out black version with green Emerald decals in the works.
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 should have shown a video, to see it in action...even if it looks very sexy but its color is ugly in order to see how it goes
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 We know green isnt for everyone so we will offer some other colors, we will post them on our web site and let the people decide whats best.
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 will blue be a color?...I hope
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 Maybe, open to all suggestions.
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 NEON BROWN. sounds like a joke but based on what I've seen here, you guys are more than capable of inventing a new color. How sick would that be...brown that glows? Then you would have made the world a better place........again.


P.s. What should I include in my resume? Would a six-pack help?
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 "You won't find any funky quick release axles or strange locking methods here." - that's NOT a good idea. I'm expecting QR in Enduro series.
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 More carbon into it, dammit! So massive that it has to weight like a tank. How about carbon tubes with "sci-fi" nano surfaces... That'll be interesting!
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 Dont know if this had already been addressed but, any plans on making a 29er version? If so I would love to get a set to bang around!
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 You'd just need to put a spacer in(probably under bottom out bumper if there's one) to reduce travel so the crown didn't bottom out on the tyre. Easy mod for all inverted forks.
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 how about a customizing ability. like converse or something. that way everybody can make a fork for their bike and it will look amazing. i mean cmon like half the modern world has worn converse before!
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 Would love to see some shots of this mounted on a bike, great work and good luck!
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 Thanks and shots will be coming in a week or so, we will post more info on our web site.
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 I'm trying to wrap my head around how the collets in the crowns work. Do they thread into the crowns? Good for you guys for trying something different, this fork looks great!
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 We can't quite show the internal design yet but we will give ya a complete run down soon.
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 Ha ha, I've been thinking the same thing the whole time. Was going to write are we not men, but figured it'd be taken the wrong way.
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 Heck no! Old school DEVO, we like it!
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 I want one. Not for 2014 either. 2013. I'm gunna feel like I blew money on something I didn't want if I get otherwise now haha
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 You don't have to send it all the way to Switzerland. Im in OC, ill come pick that sucker up myself. HAHA... Is the proto going to make it out to Fontana this weekend?
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 If I could get back to So Cal with fork in hand we would go straight to Fontucky!
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 You guys should try and team up with Cannondale once you get some shorter-travel stuff ready! At the very least you'd be color-matched!
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 We will try to hit them up!
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 got to be getting on for the most popular post of all time on pinkbike, 750 comments?!?! but deserves it because those forks look awesome and that green is amazing.
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 it is pretty damn crazy to see all of these posts!!
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 Now all i need is a pricelist so i can start saving up for this badass piece of gear. Sorry Boxxer R2C2, u got to go,i fell in love with something else!
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 You boys better get this thing onto the world cup circuit and fast!
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 We are trying, CG is wanting to get DVO'ed!
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 I just got a hard on
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 Haha, awesome.
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 So sick! Can't wait till it comes out. Colour front the green is dope, though anodonized titanium and ano blue would look good!
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 make the fork travel adjustable like the kowa GF forks so i can fitt the bike on a bike rack without removing the wheel and make it gold ohlins style
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 MSRP will be the selling point.
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 "We know the benefits to an upside down fork and it's been a very long time since a company brought an inverted fork to market. We wanted to make a statement by executing it when other companies couldn't.
- Bryson Martin, DVO"

It has been a long time since a company brought an inverted fork to the market? Really? In what world have you guys been living in for the past years? You have, Manitou Dorado, probably one of the best "of the shelf" suspensions in the market, at least, way ahead of Marzocchis, that was re-introduced as a completely new fork in 2009 and keeps selling... and then you have the exotics like Kowa GF200, Avalanche DHF, etc... all of them inverted and all of them way better than Marzocchis Smile ...

Anyway, thank you guys for getting us another option on inverted forks. I've been a huge fan of inverted suspensions since I began riding with my 2005 Shiver SC 100mm. After that was the DNM Vulcano, 2002 Shiver SC 120mm, 2004 Manitou Dorado DH and 2005 Manitou Dorado DH and am now considering the new Kowa GF, which is, apparently, one of the best forks available out there.
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 BTW: I've never tried the Shiver DC but I would be curious to do it... I've heard it was very good (I know the SC was) and that the only problem was its excessive weight, so I know this guys know what they are doing and I can only expect a very good product Smile .
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 As we commented above, we have respect for those companies, especially Avalanche who has stuck to moto inspired damping which is a great thing. But the Shiver came out in 2000 around the same time as the Dorado. We simply stated it was years and years since these companies looked at all the angles to make inverted suspension what it should be in this day and age from a manufacturing and materials stand point.
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 Please don't get me wrong, I do love the idea of a new player playing around with inverter forks and, best of all, letting us, common mortals, also play with them when they get to the market. I was just saying that there are companies that are still betting on the inverted forks. The dorado, as you said correctly, was first develop a long time ago around 2001, I think, but they completely rebuilt and redesigned the fork for the newer models, so it really is like a new fork. Only the name is the same, and to prove that they were actually 100% in favour of an inverted fork, they have taken the Travis away from their lineup and have now only the Manitou for DH and Gravity. I hope you're able to produce this fork in at accessible prices and can wait to see reviews of it in action Smile .
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 my nipples just moved from innie to outie,up for release summer 2013 you say looks like i'm gunna have to start working saturday mornings Frown
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 Uh, and I will wait for 160mm 36mm fork. I will let go my Fox 36 Float with fancy Kashima which I recently f*ck*d up. Oh, and it can be inverted! Smile pre-order: 2pcs!
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 Order received!
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 I believe that the bridge takes away the advantage that it has on the mud over the normal forks.....
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 We have the same clearance as a conventional fork offers so we don't expect to foresee any issues.
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 so sick! Great to finally see a fork that may be worthy of replacing my 2003 shiver dc on my balfa bb7.
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 I loved my shivers with their moto styling and awesome feel, but hated the fact they weighed as much as a moto fork.
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 @DVO I can tell you really care about your products quality and customer service keep up the great work
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 DVO, I sent an email to @ronnied. My address is colombodhcycles@gmail.com, I await your response.
Greetings
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 i always loved upside down forks - and this one is simply a beauty - wish u all the best - need european test driver? Big Grin
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 If u need a testperson in Germany i m availible. It would be an honor for me to help u guys out.
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 and them lowers look like fox's Kashima Coat is there any secret with that? im not saying any thing negative just wondering.
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 With the seals at the bottom of the legs, they keep lubricated better, making less need for fancy coatings to keep them slippery.
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 you should offer more colors as well even though the green is awesome, like blue or purple...yessss purple
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 Josh my head engineer wants a green and purple one. Joker style...?
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 as long as it doesn't try to kill you at random intervals
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 No psycho suspension needed.
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 These are 2300 on chainreactioncycles.com and the cheap dorrado expert is 1500 n the pro is 1300
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 I love my shivers but if the price is right and there strong like bull i would reconsider.
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 If these work as good as they look... Fox and rock shoxx may be in trouble... Just visually. I'd prefer these!!
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 Do you want a sponsored rider or tester in new zealand...i know just the person...MESmile
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 Sponsored rider in Grand Canyon?
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 I'm guessing (hoping) that the production version will be this green color too? Can't wait to get my hands on one!
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 this belong on a honda and by that i mean not a g-cross dh bike... a 250 two stroke
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 We are making a version for a KX 450!
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 That's a very fast looking color!
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 We think so too!
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 Super sick! Love to see a new competitor in the market, good job guys tup
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 Awesome, please give us one! A draw on PinkBike would no doubt bump your advertising.
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 What are your thoughts on Maverick forks and their inverted designs? I have been rockin the DUC and SC32 with great results
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 I'ts like a non-USD fork with carbon lowers, but more complicated. Why don't make a standard fork with carbon lowers? too complicated?
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 Doesn't using the collet clamps mean you need the specialized tool to install the fork?
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 Avalanche forks will always be the best forks ever made, I will never ride anything else
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 Agree Avalanche are awesome, but the DVOs seem to share a lot of Avalanches tech, so I'd not rule them out. I also have Avy carted 888s, and I think they're brilliant, but having to strip down a fork that rarely needs servicing to play with shim stack is a PITA, not a deal breaker, but a PITA, the new Avy 40 cart would be awesome, but I don't like the 40 chassis as much as the 888. I wouldn't sell my Avy/888 to get a DVO, but if I had any other fork I would.
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 Looks like we got another big-time player in the susp. market. Look out RS, FOX, MARZ
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 Anybody want to buy my 2012 Fox 40? Lightly used.
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 That's perfect!
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 Lightly used? Did it enjoy long walks on the beach over jaunts down the mtn?
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 you got the best fork on market right now! wait up what this green mamba got for reviews after a year ;-)
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 Reckon the huge number of comments shows how interested we all are in these. GREEN TOO!!!!
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 looks fresh! i hope the axle fit works.. looks like a marzocchi fix, and i hope she works so fein like my dorado pro.
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 Does the open bath mean that the fork wont need repetitive maintenance as marzocchis or they will be like fox's 40, which will require a lot of maintenance?
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 gimme gimme gimme I NEED SOME MORE! honestly comparing this to the fox 40 RAD for new fork next season.
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 Where o where did Ron Ron go? Oh there he is. Looks like I might have to be switching forks again! Holla!
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 Why stop at green, expanding your color choice on sanctions may increase sales and popularity! just a thought
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 looks nice and i like the philosophy behind the thinking.
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 twin tube damper, looks similar to an X-fusion one but inverted. looking good!
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 X Fusion is doing a great job and they have some smart engineers working for them. Our philosophy isn't to reinvent the wheel but to apply experience and knowledge to making a great product.
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 By the looks of it you've achieved it, looks fuckng rad. Cant wait to try some of your kit out!
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 luv the color, will it cum in more then green? maybe make a tie-die one! don't know many hippies that bike though...
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 Wohoo, a inverted twin tube AM fork to match my twin tube CCDB shock on my sb66 - cool.
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 Just a plain stupid and useless question: how will the fork be named in the non-green version of it? Big Grin
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 Not a stupid question and we kinda thought about that so the decals will have green in them along with some green accents here and there. We will have an all black version to show soon with green Emerald decals, how does that sound?
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 I was just teasing Wink
The forks look gorgeous, and it looks like you went around the drawbacks of inverted designs. I'd be very curious to try it. Well i'd be very curious to try all forks actually!
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 No worries! The bike industry has so many awesome products these days it's amazing, if you have ever ridden a bike from the 80' or 90's it was bad! In 2012, it's hard to find a bad high end product.
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 Wow these are so sick! Looking forward to seeing if you guys will bring out some shorter travel forks in the 120-160 range.
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 Yes we are for sure!
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 I think I just fell in love....again!
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 sooo excited.!!! i can get in there an tune it myself, say what??? so promising!
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 Not sold yet. Not to big of a fan of inverted designs or open bath damping systems. We'll see how she performs in the real world! Would love to tear one apart and see what sort of damping trickery they use.
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 Inverted designs offer a lot and so does a properly built conventional. We've heard a lot of good things about the new 40 and its about time they revamped it. Open bath systems for long travel are they way to go, but it's really up to rider preference and the support they receive in their area. We will say that our damping is pretty top notch though!
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 Love the idea but want a different colour!!!
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 We will offer an option!
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 I liked the metod of champer crown! Very Simple!
what is the benefit of the molybdenum disulphide
coating in Stanchions?
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 Thanks! Its a surface treatment that offers a lower stiction coefficient between the sliding surfaces quite similar to the other gold coating thats out there.
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 any thoughts on durability? I've heard tales of woe about the other gold coating...
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 Durability will be fine, we have a lot of experience with this coating and the important part is that we are operating on an open bath system, high quality seals and bushings which are the other items that eat stanchion coatings.
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 can you make the molybdenum disulphide coating any colour?
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 And unlike Kashima its not insanely expensive!!(don't think Kashima actually is just think Fox is having us on). I know this as a price chart sits on my noticeboard at work as we coat thing allot in it for the oil industry its only costs £1.29 per Kg coated although there is a minimum charge of £50.
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 Hard anodized with a moly coat will have that dark brown gold color, we are looking into other colors too but want to make sure surface durability and longevity comes before color preference and Kashima or moly coatings are not that expensive, most quality anodizing companies can perform this process so....maybe its just marketing.
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 Man VERY NICE JOB! CONGRATULATION! I think that is this what market need INNOVATION! and INVENTION!
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 Please make a color option of Gun Metal Grey!
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 Perfect. I'm limping my 40 through one more season then this fork will be in the running.
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 Limp till mid 2013!
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 This is what the industry needs! Please let me know if I can be a test rider.
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 Will do and thanks!
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 i second that notion i would love to test these forks out. i live on vancouver island so they can be put to the test, also digging the looks! i honestly dont understand whats stopping all companies from re-amping the inverted. its proved more then strong enough for moto given the much beefier specs but look at the technology we have. 5 years ago it wasnt even close to this now its sky rocketing.

@ dvosuspension. i think to get the best knowledge and customer appreciation, you guys should send out some demo forks. to places like whistler , moab, and other big places, where they can be abbused and tested by riders like yourselves. also it would be great karma to let a few pairs go for free. thats what i would do anyway. just my 2 cents, nice forks boys
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 To bad it doesn't come in red lol but I'm stoked on this fork!!!!
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 Can't do red! How about murdered out black with green stickers?
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 I love that you just used "murdered out" to describe the black one, awesome.
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 Ronnie and Bryson Jr always uses that phrase, they want everything "murdered out"
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 Digging the green, but doesn't come anywhere near matching my bike, one or two additional color options would be nice.
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 Blacked out with green stickers would be legit!!!!
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 any idea when you will have a price listed? love the look and tech, just hope I love the price as much lol
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 Hopefully in a few weeks.
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 Another nice addition to the rich kid's monster energy theme build, along with the raceface monster green atlas cranks!
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 Pure 53X!!!! I like my White Brothers, but that love affair may be over.
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 Your Inverted love affair will always be there!
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 as long as you don't over charge they will be on my bike asap
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 We won't overcharge but quality does cost a little bit more to manufacture, we will do our best though!
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 @DVOSuspension: I came to DH from motorcycle road racing (nothing professional mind you) and saw tons of inverted stuff all through the 90's.

Which brings me to my second point: Good on you guys for talking about the upper limit of stiffness. Motorcycles ran into that pre MotoGP days (500's). At the beginning of '93 it was a huge smack in the face for Yamaha. Tire sidewalls too stiff. Frames too stiff. Suspension settings could never cope on their own. On the small chatter, the rear ends would just skate. I'm pretty sure it was this issue that resulted in Freddy Spencer getting tossed into the dirt at turn 3 of Laguna.
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 "talking about the upper limit of stiffness."

Too true. You read a lot about how stiffer is better and rigidity enforcing designs etc etc but it is sometimes a wonder whether the opposite limit is considered.

Take Aerofoils for example. The wings on a plane are designed to bend. If they were rigid they'd fracture and then snap. I'm sure the same goes for far more components than we think that are used in planes/cars/motorbikes/mountain bikes.

Sexy looking forks. If I wasn't skint, i'd be all over them.
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 This fork on a One Ghost Musashi would look so sick... www.pinkbike.com/photo/8492605
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 wooooow maaaaaaaaaaaamiii ! bring it on ! how many to choose from ? such as Race , Team or W C versions ?
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 Awesome to see that Fox no longer has a monopoly on kasima coating.
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 Seems like they still have a monopoly on the word "Kashima" though...
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 will you ever bring out a dirt jump / 100 or 110 mm travel fork in the next 2 or so year? if so then i would sure buy one?
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 Good job guys i love the color for my white Cove Shocker 2011 txs dont go high in the price
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 It seems finally my dream will come true, i love inverted forks
what about dealers in europe, near balkan?
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 That is one sexy fork. And user-tunability as well. Great job, I can't wait!
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 oh boy oh boy oh boy oh boy.....
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 Now youre talking!
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 I now have my black and green colour scheme sorted for my 2013 Kona Operator. Can't wait for summer 2013!!
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 please can you make me a 180mm single crown non inverted coil twin tube damping fork please. when can i collect?
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 We are working on some designs this week and although we havent nailed down the hydraulic system yet, a TT damper is an option.
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 Inverted forks usually rule Big Grin , this is the new Shiver!
Does anyone know how much will it cost?
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 This'll make the competition green with envy. There's a good marketing hook :p
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 That would match my Jedi perfectly. Pending the price "I want that"!
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 It would look awesome on Trek's 2012 Session 88.
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 What direct mount pattern will you be using?
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 4 bolt standard
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 more colours!!!!!
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 Mmmmm, ¿CG colors? Maybe... Oh, i wish so much my thoughts come true, Big Grin
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 definitely we need another suspension company!
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 We agree with ya, it's not about saying one company is better than the other, we are going to make a great product, support our customers and give riders another great suspension option.
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 do you guys have any plans for an inverted single crown?
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 It's possible, we will make a few prototypes and test them but they may weigh more than what's acceptable.
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 Stunning, looks brilliant and I bet its as smooth as a kashima fox !
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 ughhhhh caaaaant wait!!!!
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 Awesome colour 3
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 I would like to test it..could be a good suspension
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 This should have the competition green with envy. Now there's an ad haha
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 Why in hell you deleting my comments about their logo??
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 Em they haven't, your posts are still on here.
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 I m going to sell my ass if i can get the Fork faster this way!!!
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 Don't do that, forks and shocks coming soon!
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 get saving lads.. man I see a full new build coming..
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 I hope you guys are able ro run with the collet clamps.
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 Us too, really cool design and we just want to make sure they dont break the bank!
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 I agree, that seems like such a good idea. One of those "why hasn't anyone thought of this yet" type ideas.
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 I've seen them in the aftermarket Motard and supermoto industry.
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 Agree! Looks slick and clean.
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 The fork looks great, but your logo looks like you guys have bought in the "logo bank" Smile
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 This has to be the sickest looking fork i have EVER seen!
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 Can i buy one of those hats?
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 what does this have on the Dorado?
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 Dorado is a really good fork and not saying anything negative about their design but the Emerald is employs a lot of new structural advantages and a very impressive damping system that is also easy to tune and service.
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 I'd be more then willing to be a demo rider for you.
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 send your resume in!
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 Good luck and thanks for my free T Shirt :o)
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 Dame...love it.. pretty sure it wont be available for my county...sucks
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 I guess it would be more expensive than BOS.
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 It's in prototyping t now.. It even says "prototype" of the fork
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 Its a step beyond proto and we are headed in the testing phase, price will be announced soon!
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 Looking good guys!! About time someone took a page from moto!!!!
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 Looks like they stole Avalanche design and made it look sexier
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 So... When are they out? I want some!
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 This looks solid... Really solid. Eager to hear about some testing.
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 Look for a PB test soon!
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 @DVOSuspension, the fork looks rad! it woulda been a good idea to also to a long period of trail testing with the complete fork. I read through and the article said you guys tested the internals in different forks which is a good idea but some true trail testing would be a good idea. Ill be more than willing to do that testing too! At no cost! Smile
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 And i hope that this works well and you guys design more forks, like a dirt jump fork or an XC fork. That would be sweet to see the inverted idea on a single crown fork..
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 looks amazing... pretty solid Eek
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 oh yes ! oh yes ! oh jeeeeezus, yeesssss !!!!!
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 So how can i send the money?
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 Just a thought but green anodised coils would look dope!!
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 stiffer does always equal better
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 Intersting thing you pick up a good color Smile
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 There will be options too but green is pretty sick!
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 Yes it is Smile
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 PLEASE tell me it comes in another color other than green
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 I'd be more then willing to be a demo rider for you.
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 will cedric gracia be riding with these?
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 working on it!
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 The Forks are AWESOME though!
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 Did anyone ever get their DVO t-shirt?
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 We sent out over 200!
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 what city and state will you be based out of?
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 Our California office is in Valencia, outside of LA.
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 They need to be available like now.....dvo. Please expedite.
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 Working as hard as we can!
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 Lets keep ot desirable to budget friendly riders too.... If aaron gwinn wants one charge him 100 thousand for it so the rest of us can get it for like 14 to 1500. Cheers
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 I am waiting for a 160mm sc
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 We are working on one! Stay tuned.
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 Super cooooool NO1!!!!!!!!
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 sun glasses please
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 i wood like 2 use that 2 replace my sr suntour maybe? who knows... Wink
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 I'm not really a fan of inverted forks but God dammit they do look nice!
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 Pinkbike needs to put a "add to favourites" button to entire articles...
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 wow. looks nice. want to try it ^^

and pleas show us the shock!
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 I want to have sex with it.
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 This fork looks MASSIVE! Like It Smile
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 I don't normally like inverted forks BUT THESE ARE AWESOME.
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 Man, that fork has got me excited!!! Sign me up!
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 Dude, if you get one before me, you are letting me borrow it for at least one session Wink
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 where will these be available from?
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 Working on a global program.
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 You had me at "It" !!!!!!
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 Loving the colors, Not sure why they bother with the green axle though???
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 It's a DVO green thing.
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 deffenetly the next big thing looks sooooooo awesome
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 Thanks buddy! Appreciate the good words for sure.
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 the emerald looks like its gonna kick the shit out of the dorado!
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 Will this product be offered in Canada upon initial manufacturing?
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 send me one to switzerland for testing! Wink
loving the details!
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 that would be pretty great to ride them during the ixs swiss cups!
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 Send your resume to ronnied@dvosuspension.com and lets see....
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 I will! also will talk about it to a friend of mine pro rider!
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 Look forward to hearing form ya.
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 Now they are assembled.....box them up and send them over.
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 ill hold you to that! lol. these will look awesome on my scott voltage fr20. just need the matching rear shock! longevity and long service intervals too please.
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 I would totally buy one if they took out that middle piece on the covers
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 SO MANY COMMENTS, JUST WANTED TO BE APART OF IT ALL!!!!!!!
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 Definitely looks sick. When do I get a shred session on one?
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 Can I come play too??
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 i dont want it i need it...ba fork for sure
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 Super stoked to check these out.
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 team green on my new rig. im up for that! good job DVO
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 i want it nooooooooooooooooooww
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 bennettking is A TYPICAL CANADIAN NO LIFE
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 HUBBA HUBBA! dear Father Christmas
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 Just around the corner.
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 MSRP: To be announced

Anyone need a kidney?
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 An inverted green fork!? That's the pure essence of bad-assery
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 We think so too!
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 had to sign in so i could say im totally buying them
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 Hi Bryson, really looking forward to this! Looks like a home run.
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 An absinthe of a fork! I'm getting high just looking at it Smile
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 what...... i need a translator for that.^^^^^^^^^
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 Enduro fork will be also USD?
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 This one'd rip off lot of wallets!
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 700+ Comments! Aint nobody got time fo dat..
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 I almost don't care how these forks perform. They just look so damn good!
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 Gimmi a 180mm single crown set with at least 40mm stanchions and im sold.
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 STILL FUCKING WANT.
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 Shiny things are pretty.
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 Double crown is integrated part of inverted fork - Great idea!!!!
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 In the future we will have some integration happening but all in good time.
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 I would like to test one of yours, but I'm not sure how long will it last?
Currently I'm running Avalanche cartridge on 35 Marzocchi chassis never had any issues, stiff enough.
High Speed Comp is awesome (not spike) as well Low Speed Comp (absolute traction) and nice faster Rebound.
I can do shim upgrades trough mid valve shim stack as well comp and rebound shims.
My problem is my curiosity I wonder about the mid stroke on the Emerald because most of the commercial products, are not able to deliver
appropriate interactions in between the settings. Most of the time the rider have to do a compromise.
I also wonder if you are able to offer just a single cartridge to fit most of the available DH chassis? not bad approach as well Wink
Also about the weight is Emerald weight is measured on dry 2,9-3 kg or wet?
Why after so many years behind suspension design none of the leading companies (Fox, Rock Shox, Marzocchi ) ware able to deliver
all that fork's accuracy you are trying to offer?
Is it a know-how and development or just good marketing strategy ?
I think now days all offers on the market are nothing new just a repackage and good advert Smile Smile
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 it looks like really similar to Shiver (outside) but of course we need to see it in action. Anyway i think it will costs 1200+ euro (not good)
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 The only thing that is similar is that both forks are inverted, thats about it.
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 ever heard of kowa??
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 Fuck me they're beautiful!
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 the inverted are back?
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 Congratulations DVO!
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 Thank you Marcello!! How are things in Brazil treating you right now?
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 Shiver is back
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 yeah dude thing looks sick
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