ENVE Goes Wide With HV Rims: First Look

Jun 26, 2015
by Mike Kazimer  
ENVE prototype
ENVE prototype


A little over a year after launching their M series of carbon wheels, ENVE is preparing to add two new wheels to the line, the M60 HV and M70 HV. The HV stands for High Volume, and the rims on both wheels are designed to work best with larger volume tires (2.3 – 2.5”), including a few that haven't yet been released.

The M60 HV rim will have an internal width of 26mm, and the M70 HV will measure 31mm. Those numbers weren't picked randomly out of a hat – they're the result of extensive testing that ENVE performed at their Utah manufacturing facility to figure out the ideal width, one that would best balance stiffness and weight while creating the optimum tire profile.

According to ENVE, they found that at a certain point the benefits of a wider rim began to diminish (at least when using tires smaller than 2.5"), with the expanded tire casing profile becoming more prone to punctures, whether due to pinch flats or sidewall tears, which is how they settled on the 31mm internal dimensions of the M70 HV. The new rims still use a hookless sidewall design, but the overall rim profile is slightly shallower than the standard M-Series rims. Expect prices to be in line with that of the current M Series (read: not cheap) when the wheels become available in late August 2015.

Maxxis prototype
The elusive folding bead Maxxis Minion DHF 27.5 x 2.5" is on its way to becoming a reality - ENVE had a prototype set mounted on their M70 HV rims.

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194 Comments
  • 179 2
 Gets half off sponsorship from ENVE.....Still can't afford them
  • 39 1
 its almost....insulting....

ENVE:"hey! you're good enough for us to sponsor!" You:"cool! how about some new hoops?" ENVE:"well....you're not that good!"
  • 12 3
 Nah man! I've been blown away by their customer support lately! You get your moneys worth with ENVE!

25mm internal is still ideal for most tire profiles though. Don't need to flatten treads out like dinner plates w/ too wide o' rims. Won't be long and tire profile shapes will catch up to these 30+ internal ids
  • 7 1
 @thebigschott i agree, i had some wider internal rims before, just seemed the tire didnt function right, on my m70's the profile looks great and what the tire was designed around.
  • 13 3
 funny cause everyone who's told me ENVE rims aren't worth the money has been sponsored/hooked up by them at some point.
  • 19 7
 But I'm sure publicly shamming your sponsor is really going to pay off it that sponsorship department.
  • 34 0
 I can only afford fake enve decal
  • 4 2
 @bhrd you missed the joke big guy
  • 3 2
 My carbon sram wheels are 21mm internal I don't agree that wide gives you more grip, I used to run planet x BMF rims years ago and they looked cool but you end up with a bad tyre profile unless you run super wide tyres which are either heavy or too thin
  • 2 0
 I guess like all products run what you brought. I've had 21mm internal carbon Rovals an now 30mm internal Carbon Fatty Rovals. Both been an have been reliable. But with the fatty Rovals I can run a lower air pressure which is nice during these hot loose condition rides. The 21mm internals I burped air quite abit.
  • 3 0
 @EnduroFan

Fake Enve decal still 2 x more expensive than other decals, but still 2 x more awesome.
  • 59 4
 Yawn. Excited about the minion though.
  • 6 3
 Can't beat a Minion
  • 7 0
 Finally maxxis!...main reason I've been holdn out on some chicom rims is lack of tires that work for them. Expected them last taipei show but all we got was plus size nonsense.
  • 11 1
 Minions for life.
  • 5 5
 Why not just get the DH bead casing one? It's heavy but it's rad up front
  • 4 10
flag mhoshal (Jun 28, 2015 at 5:21) (Below Threshold)
 Wierd I find my 2.35 tomac nevegils better than my old minions. They seem to shed mud better in my opinion. Not saying minions aren't a great tread though.
  • 6 5
 I always swear by minions, but I just bought a mavic crossmatch front tyre, its 40 durometer rated so just a bit softer than a minion super tacky that I always used on the front, I must say the mavic is easily as good as the minion if not a better, and its tubeless ready
  • 8 1
 Mark3 are you on crack?
Mavic tyres are universally viewed as some of the worst tyres ever conceived.
So bad that even their sponsored athletes refused to use them
  • 4 4
 lol, no I'm not mate, just tried it out on 2 short rides and I thought it was a good tyre tbh, it may be a different story when it wears out a bit though, although according to mbuk and mbr mags it was rated as the best tyre in test I have the crossmatch charge front tyre if that makes any difference, and it deffo grips better than my high roller 3c did
  • 4 1
 The Crossmax Charge is a superb front tire. Incredible grip and control, only negative being its a little heavier than its competition. www.bikeradar.com/mtb/gear/category/components/tyres/mountain/product/review-mavic-crossmax-charge-13-47886. And the Roam on the back? A good tire for fast rolling dry conditions only. So in the wet or loamy, use something else on the rear.
  • 6 2
 just out of curiosity, the ppl doing the neg propping have you actually owned or ridden the crossmatch charge tyre, if so whats your actual experience with it in various conditions, I've only tried mine in dry loose conditions and was pleased with it
  • 33 0
 maxxis minion 27.5 2.5! definitely the important news here!
  • 11 0
 to me more important than a new rim
  • 2 6
flag mudmandhbrazil (Jun 27, 2015 at 3:55) (Below Threshold)
 Shure
  • 4 1
 overdue for all the manufacturers to give us some lighter casing wide tires...
  • 1 4
 2.5 DHF, 2.3 SS and DONE. I know where my first BenJackson is going.
  • 1 3
 I'll be happy with a 2.35 650b dhf with 60a rubber compound. Bastards at maxxis need do this asap haha
  • 5 0
 You mean Ben Franklin?
  • 2 1
 $60 per tire, a Benjamin and a Jackson to get me to $120.
  • 30 5
 Extensive testing?
I thought Roval came up with the 31mm internal.
And still the top bikes at enduro world cup have narrow rims, i wonder why?
  • 28 3
 ENVE's not claiming to have come up with the wide rim concept, but they did do testing to make sure they weren't opening up a carbon mold simply to follow a trend. As for the EWS riders, I'd imagine a number of them are obligated to run what their sponsors provide.
  • 16 3
 They run narrow rims because the riders are willing to sacrifice a bit of grip and have less rolling resistance. Let's not forget that it was Jerome Clementz decision to run the 19mm rear rim with the tiny 2.2 tire after he was offered different widths.
  • 49 2
 Funny how they have found the optimum rim width after extensive testing. It's kind of a deja vu, because I think that's what they said about every rim they have ever released, along with every other rim company. Perhaps by optimum, they are referring to the optimum profit they can make by selling new $2000 rim sets to idiots every year! Come on Spank, when is your Race34 coming out?
  • 13 15
 It was not Jerome decision to run 19mm rims. He accepted sponsoring deal by a manyfacturer who either does roadie narrow lightweight rims or huck-to-flat heavy wide ones. Mavic is as progressive as all of road racing. But it is impressive what he did there with them.
  • 3 1
 @WAKIdesigns even on his training xc bike he had some 21mm rims if I remember well. He was selling this bike one or two years ago
  • 29 5
 Who cares on what Jerome or some other enduro/DH pro is riding?? Those guys can be faster than most of us even without chain and rear tyre!
I'm not Jerome, so I can and will use everything available to make my ride just a little bit faster/safer.
  • 4 2
 Hey , Wako for Jako! I got the info from an interview he did when the crossmax enduro wheelset got released. As for Sram goes, he did testing again ,there's a video here in pinkbike, and once again he runs an Sram Rise narrow rim at front, which Sram only recommends for trail use only
  • 13 8
 You must admit that I was a few mm from the truth
  • 17 0
 I'm sure that what she said Waki......
  • 4 1
 Roval did not come out with anything. Wide rims have been around before Roval marketing bs.
  • 4 3
 Keep in mind, if you mean Roval as in Specialized, their motto is Follow or Die. They didn't come up with anything.
  • 5 8
 Show me a press release where they say they invented wide rims...
  • 4 5
 Say what you will about the Mavic Crossmax Enduro line but they are a great wheel system. Decent weight, ultra reliable, strong. They seem to have a certain quality feel to them. I realize many think 23mm internal is narrow by today's standards but I've been nothing but impressed with them.
  • 3 0
 I think all he was saying about the Roval Fatties is the Specialized also claimed a very similar claim to Enve's: that they tested rims above ~30mm internal and found diminishing returns and settled on ~30mm internal being optimal for todays wider rubber.
  • 8 0
 JC is also 5'5" 130
  • 5 1
 Checked my bothered scale, you know what absolutely out of Fuchs to give! Train harder, poo more. Faster and lighter...........
  • 3 5
 Joseph Smith approves from the deck of paradise cruiser.
  • 8 1
 It's like specialized all over again "we found that after testing that 650b isnt that much faster than 26"

2 months later "we found through testing that 650b is the perfect balance of speed and handling, and has much better roll over and speed than 26"

This is all bull shit.
  • 5 1
 Specialized hasn't said such thing. They said openly on several occasions that they go for 650B because of market pressure and since they are so good on making 29ers they see no reason why would someone wanting bigger wheels do it in a half arsedway. The biggest bullshitters in the subject of 650B were Cube, Giant and Kirk Pacenti
  • 3 1
 Santa Cruz were openly laughing at 650B then in the last moment before pressing "start" button on CNC machine that was meant to make forms for carbon Bronson, they decided to try it and with a huge dose of gambling uncertainty they created their best selling bike, what could have been their biggest failure
  • 3 1
 @WAKIdesigns Santa Cruz has said many times they went with the Bronson in 650B because it rode better in every way.

They say they had no intention of making the Bronson 650B - it was initially intended to be a 26 - until they tried it.
  • 1 0
 You translated what I wanted to say, thank you. My Gibberish is exceptionally poor these days. On the other hand I doubt if they tried 650B version and said whoaaa... da iz zo bettahz! I'd speculate that it was rather a flip of a coin and it turned out great, I am happy for them.
  • 3 0
 Are you living under a rock? What do you think Santa Cruz is gonna say, they made the Bronson 650B to bow to market pressure? No, they're gonna come out with a bullshit statement your parroting. Don't be so gullible.
  • 1 0
 And you don't be so convinced everything is a conspiracy.
  • 2 0
 It's not really a conspiracy to say they will tell the consumer whatever it takes to maximise profits
  • 1 0
 I just finished a project where I was making 3d visualizations of block of apartments, having previously worked with designing building itself from the very beginning. I also know the area it will be built in very well. So I know the project like Jason Chamberlain knows Demo. I worked closely with the boss of marketing for housing projects one of world's biggest contractors. Compared to that, MTB marketing is a fairy tale world where a tiny semi truth is the furthest they get. Now, when you sell apartments for millions, you stuff people with sht of incredible caliber, edging with straight forward lies about the location, materials building is built from, views you get from the window and possibilities for furniture up apartment. And the best thing is, people want to be lied to, just like with top shelf components, you don't convince a man to buy XTR or XX1, he already made up his mind, he wants it for near full MSRP, he just needs an excuse to make the purchase.
  • 1 0
 That's funny because in the overpopulated west of Taiwan, where apartments are pretty much touching each other, it is completely normal to airbrush a photo of the building on sales material with fake parks, rivers, airports, MRT lines, schools etc. They would have you believe you were buying a place in a Viennese backwater with a national park on one side and a bloody world class zoo on the other. It always makes me laugh because they are so obviously fake but no one seems to notice or care. It would be totally illegal in the under the trades descriptions act.
  • 1 0
 That's exactly what is sketchy in Sweden. They strive for truth, hence bigger opportunity for deception or manipulation. The more realistic the picture, the more of a promise it becomes and more impressions are created, consequently psychological attachments. In MTB there are two stories: 1.Guy X choses (read: rides) our products, and 2. The X new product (read revised object) is better (read different). Then they set it up in a stunning location with sick riding and fitting music, so that you can imagine how fantastic it is to ride a bike (like you could yourself with your current gear) you can get into this guys skin, and a logo of caompany with product name is put on top in order to create relation. They very rarely state fallacies of "this makes our ride better, faster" like for example. "Di2 made Tracy Moseley win Trans Provance". They create a setting in which they showcase products, the rest is added by our own brains TAUGHT to desire. Mountain Bike as a commodity, is not the thing you ride, the true Mountain Bike is evolution of a Mountain Bike, it is a constantly changing machine that you must constantly upgrade in order to consume it properly, to enjoy it. And you cannot just ride your bike, you are taught to enjoy it, you must derive enjoyment from your riding. Once they get you on that hook, it is inevitable to not link the level of enjoyment to the available level of evolution of a bike.
  • 1 0
 You're absolutely right. I actually wrote in my diary a note to myself several months ago, intended for me to find on my birthday. "Don't buy a new bike. Take a few days off and learn to ride the one you've already got." All the time I spend at work is spoiling it though. I have this desire to spend my money. I just want, want, want new bike parts all the time!
  • 2 1
 The real sht starts when you read into stuff from psychology where you are given a concept that free will barely exists, that you are a set of certain predispositions picking up matching impulses from the environment. Thus the only effective defense is to limit your exposure to commercials, because they all give you all sorts of impulses that teach you that SHOULD enjoy your life and we help you to achieve it. In this way you should be ashamed of yourself if you had a bad ride, if you can't clean your kitchen fast or if you feel bored in the evening. And the solution is always to buy a certain product or at least go to an adequate specialist, shrink or coach. You are not a good person if you are not good at something. Failure is ok only if you can sell it! (See Rider X road to recovery video)
  • 2 0
 I guess I'm still riding 9 speed because I'm too busy with work and my kids to watch too many marketing videos, or any for that matter.
  • 1 0
 @jon123rjk
"Wheel System." Sounds like someone drank the Kool-Aid? Having matched rim-wheel systems is just another way for companies to ultimately get money from the consumer. They want you to think that you have to run their tires with their wheels. If they actually made it mandatory with their design, their wheels would disappear into oblivion, and they would update the rim back to something others can use. So they leave it ambiguous by calling it a system and implying heavily that performance is best when you run "the system." Don't believe it. That's not to say that the tires are not good, or the wheels (I have no idea, never ridden either) - just be careful about using their language. Before you know it, we'll all be talking about wheel systems and people will forget that there are individual components to a "wheel system."
  • 1 0
 Fair enough.
But note: the Crossmax wheels are great and the Mavic tires are actually quite decent.
You're essentially getting free tires with the wheelset, considering the price.
  • 1 0
 "You're essentially getting free tires with the wheelset, considering the price."
That's a hard argument to make, I think, as wheelset pricing is highly variable and subjective. But if that were the case, then where is my free case of Schwalbes with every Enve wheelset?
  • 1 0
 I really don't know another way to say this.
For less than $1000US (and they can be found for well under retail) the Crossmax line is an excellent, reliable, nice riding, stiff and decently light wheelset. And good tires are included.
If you can find another wheelset of equal quality for less than full your boots.
  • 20 0
 but still i cant afford an ENVE
  • 31 7
 Can't afford and don't want. By bike would look stoopid with envy rims. Like A brand sucker yelling 'look at me!! I spent $2000 on these rims so I can tell the world about it!!'
  • 10 1
 If Enve wheels came with a bike, I would consider them.
  • 9 27
flag scary1 (Jun 27, 2015 at 8:32) (Below Threshold)
 Enves are friggen amazing. Quit whining,you havent tried them or are too slow too get the benefit from them
  • 5 12
flag TrailRider14 (Jun 27, 2015 at 11:02) (Below Threshold)
 aoneal they do. Santa Cruz has Enve rims as an option on most of their bikes..
  • 11 1
 @TrailRider14 I think you missed it.
  • 3 1
 He's saying for the current price of the wheels you'd also get a bike with them, and even then, he wouldn't be sure.
  • 1 0
 LOL I get it now. It's funny because it's true...
  • 2 3
 Pansy asses.
  • 4 0
 ^ Not really when it comes down to whether you want to drop 2k on a set of wheels or a 2012 Specialized Demo 8.
  • 1 2
 Mine was just a general thought about the patronage on here.
  • 1 0
 I buy em and take the stickers off
  • 20 4
 Will they still be over priced because they are made in Utah yet get so so reviews when compared to their Chinese competitors?
  • 12 14
 That's so true and is not a strong rims also I broke one of those and also enve customer service 4 out of 10 I rate.
  • 15 22
flag D-Owen (Jun 26, 2015 at 22:59) (Below Threshold)
 Okay yoda... Chinese wheels are good value when you considder you can get a rim for $170 USD, but when its boils down to quality (and quality control) without a doubt enve's are top notch. You get what you pay for!
  • 18 1
 But the law of diminishing returns fully applies
  • 7 2
 Who do you think you're kidding by suggesting bike companies other than Shimano take QC seriously.
  • 2 0
 what are the cheaper chinese competitors? I'd be interested in trying them out.
  • 4 14
flag PhattyMatt (Jun 27, 2015 at 2:10) (Below Threshold)
 Guarantee you aren't actually American...
  • 4 0
 I just wonder why ENVE put a unbelievable price tag on their rims and wheels.
Is it made from different carbon with other competitors (e.g : LB, Derby, NOX, etc)?
  • 10 1
 Wouldn't be surprised if ENVE sourced it's carbon weave from the same company that Chinese competitors do. I don't believe there are many companies out there synthesizing carbon. It is the same carbon, and the manufacturing is going to be almost identical, so where did all your money go?
  • 10 0
 @simooo: light bicycle. They build similiar rims with novatec, hope oder dt swiss 240. Read and heard not to bad things about the rims and the build quality. And you get away with $850 for a hope build...i am maybe going for the 29 with 31 internal width or the new fancy 27+ with 45...
  • 16 1
 suck that enve . ( even with quality the enve is overpriced) and even if you manage to destroy few Light Bicycle rims , it will still be cheaper to get these Quality is actually pretty good.

31.6 mm internal width , 420g ,hookless
www.light-bicycle.com/enduro-downhill-mtb-26er-carbon-rims-38mm-wide-hookless-tubeless-compatible-strongest.html#.VY6AT_lVhBc
  • 4 3
 I believe envy weave the carbon around the spoke holes, rather than drilling them after the rim is formed. That must bewhere the extra $800 per rim is going, or at least some of it
  • 3 0
 Light bicycles uses Toray t700 carbon fiber. Toray produces at least up to t1000, and the higher you go the more expensive it gets, but there's a local brand name that sells (road) frames in both t700/t800 and t800/t1000 and the difference in price between both versions is just 21-25%, so it has nothing (much) to do with the carbon.
  • 6 4
 Enve makes solid products. I had a road bike with a ritchey carbon fork... It was very flexy. Switched to enve and it is perfect. Enve, thomson and stans are the three american companies that care about product quality, no bs.
  • 7 3
 You guys are forgetting the labor that goes into an Enve rim. The spoke holes are molded not drilled. I have 1 Derby set and 2 LB sets and yes if I could afford it I would buy Enve. Drilling into a composite isn't a best practice, but it makes for cheap rims. If you want to direct your anger against pricing, go after the other big names that drill the rims and still charge as much as Enve.
  • 1 1
 That's true - labor costs, plus market strategy: if you can't/won't compete with low cost/high volume, you go niche up-market.

Speaking of flexy carbon forks, have a sid xx wc - thing flexes (at the crown) just by braking the front wheel and pushing the handlebar back and forth - definitely not the headset/stem/wheel assembly.
  • 2 1
 Who drills the rims and still charges as much as enve, justbout of interest?
  • 1 1
 @trailinger thanks man!
  • 3 0
 Reynolds and Specilaized, get their drilled rims overseas and still charge upwards of $1800-$1900 for some sets.
  • 3 2
 Don't forget about PUSH Industries.
  • 4 0
 Wait, are we talking about the same Stans? Their hubs are offshore, their rims are offshore, and neither has a spectacular track record of quality products. I've seen their hubs crack in half, flanges explode, axles fail, and don't get me started on their road tubeless rims.
  • 31 0
 Cool story @jontoyo let's hear more about it. Oh that's right... that was the time you broke a used wheel after 30 days of riding it and took me to PayPal claims saying I shipped you something "not as described", got your money back from me, and kept the parts. Class act bro! I'd rate your customer services on par with bike thieves...
  • 2 1
 Enve claiming to "weave" around the spoke holes is just a clever use of words. "Molding" the holes is technically true. It's true they do not drill the spoke holes, but there surely is no weaving going on. I think their high prices are more to cover all the rims that they reject. So maybe quality control is the cause. the labor to make one rim is not significantly more that the competition, but sometimes they have to throw a few away the make a few good ones.

As someone mentioned above, your consumer rage is better aimed at other companies selling Chinese made rims (likely laced, assembled and decals too!) at greater than necessary prices.

Light-Bicycle clearly offers custom decals for a tiny price. If I had the money to invest, I would buy 100 wheelsets, send a few 27.5" to a few choice websites, and start counting money. Then of course, re-up. Mountain bikers be fiending for that uncut, wide carbon wheelset.
  • 12 2
 FYI, enve hires their production workers through a local staffing agency, which frequently hires people fresh outta drug rehab and they start them out at just above minimum wage. Don't know about you but I think their prices and product may just be a bit inflated and over rated. I know because I live in Ogden and looked at getting a job through them. They don't pay enough. And no I'm not a recovering crack head. I just thought I'd love to be in the industry. And your right you do get what you pay for, if you mean an inflated sense of self worth than boy oh boy do you ever get that.
  • 1 1
 ChampionP lol is plain English, nothing cleaver you either drill the holes or you don't.
  • 1 1
 Love it iron yeti. I was going to ask if anyone knows how much American factory workers get paid. Of course several times more than their Chinese counterparts, but that is still not very much!
  • 7 0
 Well, when I worked there I was paid well, but I was not an entry level or production employee, and I wasn't hired through an agency. Regardless, working there was one of the worst experiences of my adult life.
  • 1 1
 Add Reynolds to the mix!
  • 1 1
 ChampionP you're a champion!
  • 3 2
 @ChampionP: don't know about rims, but it takes Giant a whooping 18 hours and 32 people to build a carbon frame, painting excluded: cyclingtips.com.au/2015/03/how-giant-builds-their-carbon-frames - that's a *lot* of manual labor.
  • 1 1
 But not a lot of money
  • 1 0
 Not a lot of money in what sphere?

Laying carbon for Giant could very well be the best job in town.
  • 3 2
 Funny, nothing happened to my self worth when I bought mine but they are some solid wheels that haven't needed so much as a spoke wrench in a year.
  • 2 0
 Me neither and I don't have carbon wheels
  • 1 1
 Nobody's wheels improved their self worth? What a ripoff.
  • 1 0
 The higher cost has some to do with labor, hiring an unskilled American worker (even at minimum wage) is still 3-5x the cost of a Chinese one. If your labor per rim is 10 hours, that is a $100 cost increase right there, which translates into a $200 wholesale cost increase, and $400 retail cost increase. The other reasons for higher cost are most likely all marketing related.
  • 2 0
 However it doesn't take anywhere near that many man hours put into making one rim, unfortunately.
  • 13 1
 When are they going to introduce that new innovation called external spoke nipples!! Had 2 pairs of the first ENVE and never again, Spent so long truing those wheels taking tyre off and then tape and getting my special internal nipple tool out to true them and then taping, putting tyre on, filling with sealant only to go and twang it at whistler again and waste another hour truing sealing the tyre. Eughk such a ball ache, can we get some external nipples please on the next latest and greatest. Overpriced and a pain in ass to true other than that they were great.
  • 1 2
 Accidentally negatived you. I agree all the way
  • 1 0
 This!!!
  • 15 0
 Oh look, another ridiculously expensive carbon wheel set review/promo ZZZzzZzZzzz
  • 7 0
 I've just had some new ex471 rims put on my existing dt swiss hubs, set them up tubeless with gorilla tape and I'm very pleased with them, I really cant believe these wheels would be that much better than mine especially at over double the cost of mine
  • 5 0
 EX823 on Hopes for me. Bombproof wheels.
  • 4 0
 Apparently carbon rims are the bees knees but I wouldn't know.
  • 1 0
 @mark3 I'm looking at some ex471 rims, how are you finding them?
  • 1 0
 hi bigbear, the ex471 rims are very good quality, strong wide and light weight, I got mine through dave @ bikrbitz on the buy/sell section, bike discount in Germany have them
  • 1 0
 I have ENVE AM and DT EX471, both on DT240 hubs. Both on Aerolite spokes. Well the ENVEs are stiffer, to the point that for normal riding, I prefer the DTs with way more feeling. But when you're going to push 100%, then you appreciate the extra stiffness.

This said, I am not any faster on the ENVEs, and since the weight is same, do you know what? I regret having thrown away so much money on the carbon ENVEs, I could have flown Italy->Whistler and be much happier.
  • 2 0
 Sweet cheers @mrciave and @mark3 looks like i'll be building some dt swizzzers up! Bike discount are always good!
  • 5 0
 i have a set of nobl wheels i am 200 lbs and not easy on my wheels. so far so awesome after four months of hard riding and two worn out rear tires! they look like the exact same width and specs of this wider 31mm internal option from enve as less than half the price when laced to hope hubs. so far so good! but with the easton arc 30 coming available it is getting harder to justify these pricy carbon options
  • 6 2
 Has anyone else noticed how quickly they go through wide rims? I understand that the improve grip but the extra width decreases the side wall height of the tire and increases rim strikes. Hardly a reasonable compromise if you ask me.
  • 1 0
 Well part of running the wider rims is to facilitate higher volumes at lower pressures; maybe it's the lower pressures which is what's leading to more rim strikes?

Reducing the rims sidewall height should in theory reduce the number of rim strikes and improve their durability, which is why we are seeing it on more and more rims
  • 1 0
 yes, I've been complaining about this for 2 years. Tires need to keep up. If you are going to run something wider than 25mm internal you need bigger tires, at least 2.35 actual (not just advertised)
  • 2 0
 I'm glad others have noticed this. This is why I'm sticking with my 21 mm rims for now. The volume (by this I mean the distance from the top of the tyre to the rim) decreases as the rim gets wider. I hate getting rim dings. Sure, manufacturers could produce higher volume tyres to keep up with the trend for wider rims, but that means more rubber and more weight. More rotational weight sucks.
  • 4 0
 Just coming up for 16 months on my LB 35mm 29er rims and they are still going strong despite being hammered week in and week out. Spending that sort of Money on Enve's is quite frankly ludicrous, IMHO and all that.
  • 7 4
 Always gonna be haters. I love my ENVE's. If you can't afford them, or aren't willing to make the sacrifices to afford them, don't slag on ENVE owners, or the product. ENVE makes some gear. Yeah they cost some dough, but doesn't everything today? What's the price range of a top end carbon bike? Crazy $$$. So...
  • 5 2
 Meh, go buy another bike. If you live close to DH stuff, make it a DH bike. Or buy a single speed, agro hardtail or xc bike. Either option will yield much more fun and make you a better rider than a set of wheels that you likely won't care about in 2 years. I fully believe in high end wheels but anything more than $800-$1200 is just bling or compensating for something else.
  • 2 0
 Having recently gone to 30mm internal hoops (Nextie rims, CK Hubs & DT Comp Spokes) all I can say is "WOW". The extra grip on offer from the combination of changed tyre profile & 19 Psi up front ( I am a little fella @ 115kgs
  • 2 0
 They thinned the rim sidewalls, changed the bead bump into a gradually ramped bead seat, and shortened the height. The tire well seems to be slightly bigger though. Can't tell if the sidewalls are taller or the same height, from the illustration.
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 Gotta say the ramped bead seat works wonderfully on my LB rims. They definitely look interesting, but still I don't think they'll outlast chinese rims 4-5 times.
  • 5 0
 Forget about those rims, I want those tires! And a version of HR2 too!
  • 5 0
 Are these rims still getting destroyed during Pinkbike reviews?
  • 2 0
 another mag (forget which one....radar?) had a M90 Ten review up a week or so ago with a hole through one.

Edit: hole through the rim, not the review.
  • 1 0
 @mylespotter agree. I've had rim strikes on 2 rear 40mm wide chinese made rims and 1 front in 6 month period. All on relatively tame local tracks, strangely they survive a beating in the alps. same tyre, same pressures. someone should either make a rim that can deal with this problem e.g. too much energy going through and nowhere to go, or just do a subscription deal where for x per month you get 'em like razor blades consumables in the post. expensive business but the ride quality, handling and acceleration is great. tough going back to alloy. enve are you listening - we want a reliable, maybe slightly heavier version of what you see but at realistic prices. they'd sell a ton.
  • 4 0
 Say it out loud to yourself: "three thousand dollars for a set of bicycle wheels"
  • 1 0
 Hmmm, Syntace went wide three years ago and now just went wider with the new W40MX in 27.5". The Syntace W40 MX wheels are almost 1/3 the price at $1,129 feature a shot peened rim for strength and durability and a German made hub with ultra fast engagement (10 degrees). Check em out at www.syntace.com/index.cfm?pid=3&pk=2548 and get em at store.radsportusa.com/category_s/1835.htm or ask for them at your local dealer.
  • 3 0
 Dangg these are sweet let me just look because I will never be able to afford them
  • 4 0
 gotta make it wide enough to fit all that rubber...
  • 4 1
 Sweet... That maxis looks the go for sure..! Not sure why the rims made the story relevant
  • 2 0
 Tire is only relevant when they tell us it will be available in 26".
  • 4 3
 Enve ceo: why priced so high?

marketing head: why not? these bikers are idiots, the more expensive better for them. much better for us.

Enve ceo: you should run for president..

marketing head: actually, i am
  • 2 1
 Bet Enve is loosing big time business to both Derby, Light Bicycle and others :-). Also just noticed that Pink Bike is removing posts here about Light Bicycle, mine was removed along with others :-).
  • 1 0
 I recon most people buying LBs and Derby's wouldn't otherwise be buying Enve. Sure there are some, but I think the other brands are getting people on carbon rims that would otherwise be getting AL. Could be wrong.
  • 1 0
 i have the ibis 741's... theres definitely improvements but so much more could be achieved if tire manufacturers got behind this.
  • 3 0
 that look bout the same size as my double wide sunn ringle rims
  • 1 0
 Bet they don't weigh the same.
  • 1 0
 I've been riding Light Bicycle 35mm wide 650b rims on DT hubs for 1 season and a half. They're stiff, light, easy to build and cheap!
  • 1 0
 It's interesting how plain the wheels look without the fancy designed ENVE decals. Surprised they let the photos go out without them looking shiny and new.
  • 1 0
 Holy crap the m90 goes for 2399 us, that converts to 2,955.81 canadian, before shipping, duty, tax and brokerage! Does Envy offer good mortgage rates?
  • 2 1
 How is this supposed to be progressive? My set of AM 27.5 rims from TWO YEARS AGO have an internal width of 25mm...
  • 4 1
 I'm pretty sure my MTB from 1987 did too....
  • 3 1
 Save some money and get Derby's if you want carbon/wide.
  • 2 0
 I have a set of double wides if anyone wants them :-)
  • 1 0
 Just bought a 27.5x2.5 wire bead minion a few weeks ago. Read the caption "the elusive folding minion 27.5x2.5..."

FML
  • 4 1
 Industry nine.
  • 2 0
 This is madness. I spent $2000 on a whole bike.
  • 1 0
 Are carpet fiber rims any good? Are they that much of an improvement over aluminium?
  • 1 0
 I think they're having soe troubles getting the resin to bind the StainMaster coating.
  • 1 0
 I have an old set of Enve DH carbons...they are great wheels. Expensive but I've had no problems.
  • 2 1
 The price is gonna WIIIIIIIIDE too.
  • 1 0
 Where are they made? What justifies the price tag again?
  • 2 0
 Derby Rims!
  • 2 0
 Msrp: over 9000
  • 2 3
 enve goes wild with HIV? really? on pride weekend? oh, wait a minute, enve goes wide with HV. that makes more sense. ok, still too expensive.
  • 2 1
 Can anyone say copy of Light Bicycles rims!!! @theminsta
  • 1 0
 Love my Derbys!
  • 1 0
 id buy a set for a grand
  • 2 5
 Damn I just got my m70 rims
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