Gamut, Wahoo Fitness, LJB - Sea Otter 2015

Apr 18, 2015
by Mike Levy  

Gamut Podium Pedal


If the Podium name sounds familiar, it's because Gamut purchased Point One Racing, the company who used to offer the first version of the Podium pedal, and they've since made some refinements to the design that they say makes the pedal even better. At 100mm x 100mm, the platform is large and square, and Gamut has also managed to cram four sealed bearings inside of if rather than using bushings to save weight. The set weighs 295 grams, which is 10 grams less than the original design, and they retail for $169 USD.

Gamut s refined Podium pedal.
  The new Podium pedal is lighter and thinner than its predecessor.








Wahoo Fitness' Turn-Based GPS


And now something for those who need some direction in their life, but also for riders who like to do a spot of exploring. Wahoo Fitness now offers turn-based navigation for the RFLKT and RFLKT+ computers, which means that riders can actually enter in a ride that they've never done before, on a mountain that they've never visited, and have their computer keep them on track. The idea is to plan your ride out in advance, or find one online using the 'Ride with GPS' route planner, in order to take the guessing out of your day. This feature isn't something that you'd likely use for all your rides, or even for every ride in a new location, but it will certainly allow riders to make the most of their time when visiting a new zone. The computer also shows speed, distance, duration, and elevation gain (RFLKT+ only) while you're on the move.

Wahoo fitness
  Do you have a terrible internal compass? Wahoo Fitness' turn-based GPS computer might be just the thing.






LJB Suspension Design


The bike pictured here doesn't have plus-sized wheels, isn't a fat bike, and it isn't even made of carbon fiber. Actually, it'd designed around *gasp* 26" wheels by Chris Hudec, a Canadian from British Columbia who believes that he's onto something with his LJB suspension design. Hudec has laid out all of the pivot locations and looked after the kinematics, and the aluminum frame was welded up by Yess Manufacturing to his specs. The bike is more a proof of concept than anything close to production, with Hudec using it to prove that his suspension design has merits rather than take it to production himself.

A number of companies have expressed interest in the design, so we still may see it show up with a familiar name on the down tube. The prototype pictured here is one of two examples, and while their appearance is rough looking and not as dialed as the shiny bikes that are sitting in booths all around the Sea Otter show, Hudec is hoping that a company with some clout can adapt his ideas and come up with a more refined product for the market.


LJB Suspension
  The LJB suspension design is said to be extremely efficient under power.


Hudec has focused on efficiency with his LJB suspension system, and he says that people who have ridden it have come back saying that the 145mm travel bike is the most effective pedalling rig they've been on. He explains more about the bike's design below:
bigquotesPedal feel has the same quality in any gear combination, even when you are in a gear with less than 100% anti-squat. Pedal feel is also the same regardless of the sag setting. I've tested it at 20% through 60% sag, and the pedal feel is the same. There are two versions of the design, differing in the direction the lower link rotates. The prototypes have a link that rotates clockwise, which produces an instant center movement similar to the VPP bikes. If a bike would use a lower link that rotates counter clockwise, the IC movement would be similar to a dw link bike. The design doesn't use additional chain tension to control suspension movement, so there is no "extra" chain tension to hinder suspension movement, enhancing the suppleness of the suspension. This is because the center of curvature of the suspension is located very close to the top of the chain rings. For an opposite example, if the IC location is far in front of the bottom bracket, when the suspension moves up or down from the sag point, additional chain tension, over and above the chain tension anti-squat generates, hinders suspension movement. - Chris Hudec


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81 Comments
  • 33 4
 Is it just me or does it seem like they welded one rear triangle on top of another?
  • 61 0
 Orange and DW try to produce a baby looks like old Demo.
  • 10 3
 at least its not another 4-bar spin off like every other brand atm
  • 12 2
 Looks like a session -Nobody
  • 2 4
 $189 USD
  • 15 0
 Hey mate, see that little blue lever on that ol' Monarch? All you have to do is turn it, and it TOTALLY changes the bike's "pedal feel". It's amazing.
  • 9 0
 That's because four bar systems actually work.
  • 5 0
 It's just a prototype, I'm sure they could shrink the brace on a production version.
  • 5 1
 The blue platform lever on the Monarch has no affect on pedal feel or pedal bob when seated pedalling. All it does is reduce the sensitivity of the rear suspension, reducing traction. I HAVE to look down at it to check its position if I put the pkatform on, because tou can't tell from the pedals. It does help reduce pedal bob when standing and pedalling, just like every other bike.
  • 3 2
 We decided to use a "single pivot swingarm" AND a beefy chainstay. The rear end is way overbuilt.
  • 9 0
 now there's a pre-production model that probably wont crack while being reviewed.
  • 3 6
 That thing is just gross. Ugh. Makes me wanna puke.
  • 5 0
 The rear seat stay (swingarm) can be made to resemble the similar part on the Wilson. In fact, the Wilson's swingarm is starting to look more like mine, if you caught that post.

Function, durability, and only then form.
  • 4 0
 Not new, but cool design. Google image search for Solstice bike.
  • 3 0
 Though fair warning that search also produces some NSFW results
  • 4 0
 There are some significant differences between my bike and the Solstice bike. I've never tried the Solstice bike, and I only found out about it after I came up with mine. The Solstice's IC movement would lead to more pedal bob, but the center of curvature of the Solstice bike results in some additional chain tension to resist the pedal bob. That means the Solstice isn't as free to move as my design. The IC movement also precludes a hard tail pedal feel.
  • 1 2
 The stripped the paint off an old school Marin Mt. Vision swingarm and mounted another swingarm under it Smile
  • 23 2
 I'm the designer of the bike. This is what I've told the bike companies that I've showed the bike to at Sea Otter. Everyone that's ridden it this weekend has been impressed.

1. The bike has a hard tail pedal feel. About half the people that ride it say it feels like they are pedalling a hard tail within the first minute or three. Maybe 2/3 to 3/4 say it pedals like a hard tail after their first real ride.

2. The bike is an extremely efficient pedaller. You can tell even by riding on flat ground, but it's more apparent when climbing.

3. The suspension is very supple/plush. That leads to excellent traction, particularly when climbing on rough surfaces. People say it has the traction of a 29er, but with 26 inch wheels.

4. The combination of extreme efficiency as well as very plush suspension make the bike an amazing climber. Many people have said it's the best climbing bike they've ridden.

5. Pedal feel has the same quality in any gear combination, even when you are in a gear with less than 100% anti-squat. I've tested it at 20% through 60% sag, and the pedal feel is the same.

Continued...
  • 2 4
 What does supple/plush mean?
  • 2 3
 How does it descend?
  • 1 0
 I hope you're kidding but if not it describes the amount of suspension sag used in relation to how it feels to the rider. A bike setup that's decried as plush or supple would mean more travel is used resulting in a softer feel.
  • 9 0
 It's a cool design for sure! Best of luck
  • 7 1
 it's what I'd call an aggressive trail bike. The prototype has a progressive rear end. It feels pretty bottomless, though some have had trouble getting full travel. It needs a small tweak to the leverage rate curve to make it easier to achieve full travel. Its a pretty constant 2.5 rate right now.

I accidentally down propped your message. Sorry. :-)
  • 1 0
 In order to get that bike to no anti-squat gearing you'd have to run about a 24T. It is a very pedally bike because of the anti-squat main pivot location and additional chain growth from the main pivot link. Plush? Brake jack?
  • 1 0
 Hi Hevi; The prototype is optimized around a 33T chain ring. The pivot above the rear axle allows the rear wheel/axle to rotate forward as the suspension compresses, reducing the chain growth you think happens. Neutral to pro-squat braking.
  • 12 0
 I have had the opportunity to ride this bike in the trails around Nanaimo. It climbs up the rooty steep climbs we have here like a dream, never ridden any thing like it. I ride a giant reign normally and the peddling on the climbs now feels sluggish since riding Chris's prototype. As far as decent over the rough stuff, i had to look down to see if i was actually hitting the rough stuff with how smooth it ate up the bumps. I would buy any bike with this suspension design.
  • 4 0
 Beer for Kevin! :-)
  • 14 1
 You would get better anti squat with a 26+
  • 9 1
 6. There is no pedal bob with seated pedalling. The pivot placement and IC movement distribute the bob force from pedalling between the front and rear suspension. This allows the low speed damping that the shock and fork must have to control body english also be enough to prevent pedal bob. (The bike will bob with standing pedalling, just like any bike.)

7. There are two versions of the design, differing in the direction the lower link rotates. The prototypes have a link that rotates clockwise, which produces an IC movement similar to the VPP bikes. If a bike would use a lower link that rotates counter clockwise, the IC movement would be similar to a DW-Link bike.

8. The design doesn't use additional chain tension to control suspension movement, enhancing the suppleness of the suspension. This is because the center of curvature is located very close to the top of the chain rings.

9. The amount of anti-squat changes very little as the suspension cycles over bumps while pedalling. This results in no change in pedal feel as the suspension moves in response to bumps.

It's already patented in Canada, and patents are pending in the US, Europe, Australia and New Zealand.
  • 8 0
 please build it in north america, keep it aluminum, and keep it 26". ill be first in line.
  • 3 0
 I'd like it to be built in North America. I had the prototypes built here. It would be up to whoever uses the design, though.
  • 10 0
 Brown sneakers, grey socks and shorts means he has been working hard.
  • 10 1
 I only ride prototype.. screw your xc, and your 650b..
  • 4 0
 I've ridden one of the prototypes. The impression it left me with was that it climbed very much like a hardtail but with better grip. On general single track I found the rear suspension seemed to draw no attention to itself which is what you want isn't it? It was supple enough to minimize braking bumps and smaller roots but didn't feel mushy when you dug in for a quick little acceleration. On hard braking it definitely allowed me to use more rear brake before beginning lock up than my maestro equipped Giant.
The prototype suspension looks a bit bulky and over strong, but prototypes are built to test a concept without failing using off the shelf materials. I'm in engineering so I understand that there would be a major makeover before production, and the final result would be far more svelte and sexy looking. You just can't build a prototype using hydro-formed tubing. Even Formula 1 teams start with utility looking prototypes to ascertain if the concept is as good as it looks on paper.
I assume that if it went into production it would be sized for a 650 B since current trending seems to be leaning that way. I found the prototype rode very much like a 650 B even though it was a 26"
  • 1 0
 I'm sure the bike can be made more "sexy looking", and loose a few pounds. :-)

There are wheel sizes for every taste, but what eventually will be offered depends on what the market demands. It could be fairly simple to have modular rear dropouts to make a 650B bike convertible/compatible with 26" wheels.

A 650B wheel fits (barely) in the prototype's rear triangle. You could run a 650B rear wheel at ~36% sag, along with a 140mm 650B fork, and it would work great.
  • 5 0
 I love this Chris Hudec guy, bringing back the good ol' 26r and making it new again. Please give us some highend wide ratio 8 and 9 speed cassettes too... and no I am not being sarcastic.
  • 4 0
 I need to get this bike into everyone's hands before I can delve into other things.

If you put a 140mm 27.5 fork on it, and run the rear with 35-37% sag, the bike works great too.
  • 2 0
 I personally prefer the look of some thing beefy and I don't mind an extra few grams, these stick build carbon pretty bikes I am not interested in, I don't even look at them as I pass thru the shops.
Well I do look but its not at the frames, its at the hardware Smile

I am interested in seeing its final ready for sale setup, I bet it will be a work of art! Maybe it will come in a XXS size I can build a 26er for my little girl with Smile

Chris, if you don't get a real player interested to do a completed bike, try going for investors and market just the frame? I don't know if most are like me, but I sure prefer building rather than buying the final bike.
  • 2 0
 Hi Dale. Right now I'm looking for someone to license the design. It's a lot easier to get something to market using infrastructure that's already in place. I had a fair amount of interest at Sea Otter, so I'm following up with that.
  • 2 0
 How about Paul Brodie? He's still in greater Vancouver, and brodie's been missing a full susser in their line up for a few years already. I really liked the tune they had on their last Horst link zealot in 2008. If you hit a big root or other hangup on a super steep climb, hitting the pedals hard in a 22 granny ring x 32 big ring combo would extend the suspension and you'd feel like it pushed your center of mass up over the climb killing obstacle.
  • 1 0
 I sent an email to Brodie Bikes about my design months ago and didn't get a reply. They haven't offered a full suspension mountain bike for a while.
  • 2 0
 Hey my name is Simon and I'm from Nanaimo as well. Chris lent me this bike to demo and give him feedback. I rode it in Nanaimo in various areas and Cumberland on Queso Grande as well. I had one with a Cane Creek double barrel as well as with the rock shox monarch plus. I didn't like the cane creek as it had too many adjustments to set up without a starting reference point. The monarch was better for me anyway, easier to set up.
I was impressed by how well the bike climbed, in spite of it's weight I could make some nice hot laps around my area, so the weight wasn't noticeable and it's not a light bike. The bike stuck to the ground like glue in wet Vancouver Island conditions, even with Kenda Nevegals on (I really dislike those tire). I purposely took harder technical lines on my climb, and the bike had very little difficulty navigating this. I was surprised on how much grip this bike had, easily close to my Nomad but much more efficient. I also had a custom Kona Honzo at the time as well which climbed efficiently as well but with less traction. I also took this bike to Cumberland and was easily able to keep up with friends on xc and all mountain bikes on both the ups and downs. Now it's not a perfect prototype, I found the the suspension was too progressive in the last 1/3 of it's travel, it felt as though the bike didn't go through the full length of it's travel. Maybe a differnt tune on the shock (I'm no engineer) or something. That's my 2c worth. Good luck Chris. It's neat to see a grassroots design that's from my neck of the woods.
  • 1 0
 Thanks for the write up, Simon!

There isn't much to do to "tune" a shock to address the "too progressive" issue. The prototype needs a small adjustment to adjust the leverage rate on the shock. That will make the braking a bit more supple, and easier to achieve full travel. A coil shock, or perhaps a Vivid shock would work better.
  • 4 0
 It reminds me of both Santa Cruz's suspension designs, but in the same place. A single Pivot and VPP mated together.
  • 1 0
 Look at the pictures on my profile. There's one there you will find very interesting. :-)
  • 2 0
 I have been running deity composite pedals for a couple seasons now. They are super light and durable, as well as having great traction. I will never pay 200$ for pedals again.
  • 3 1
 With all these new products coming out year after year why has knowone come up with a tyre that is puncture proof or something to stop punctures full stop.i am sick of bloody punctures!!
  • 1 0
 I went many years without a puncture then just had one on a burly trail tire running tubeless. The resulting loss in pressure caused me to lose control and crash. Now I'm stuck with a shattered foot and 3-4 months of non-weight bearing. So I hear ya!
  • 3 0
 A tyre is one of if not the most important part on a bike and everyone concentrates on new valves for suspension or the next dropper post or the latest carbon blah blah.when will manufacturers realise they need to put effort into tyres and not the next new thing
  • 1 0
 They also need to develop a truly new drivetrain, adding another cog won't be it. How about something that doesn't need multiple bandaids like narrow wide teeth, chain guides and clutches to keep a chain on?
  • 1 0
 That LJB frame looks really interesting. It's looks like a single pivot design with some extra linkage taken from DW Link or VPP. I'd be curious to see an Autocad video of how the suspension moves under pedalling forces and then square edge hits
  • 6 2
 Could have welded some rim brake tabs on there Wink
  • 3 0
 put that linkage onto an 8 inch travel w aggresive all mountain geometry frame and see what happens.
  • 3 0
 I'm sure 8" would pedal like a 5" bike, so maybe 8+?
  • 3 0
 canfield did it
  • 2 0
 my shins are shivering with fear from those pins attached to that pedal.. Frown
  • 2 1
 I need those pedals! have the version 1s of them and they are great. but mine are silver and my bike is now black lol. must upgrade to black!!
  • 1 0
 I'd stick with the version 1s, these look cast whereas the version 1's were cnc'd. I may upgrade if these are forged but I am sure they would have mentioned that if they were forged...
  • 1 0
 Good point. i assumed it was the black poweder coat that gave that finish, but the none exposed spindle etc certainly doesnt look as good as my current ones. maybe i should just get mine powder coated!
  • 1 0
 Just read an article on vitalmtb, the body is forged, ok now they have my attention...
  • 2 0
 Flat pedal shoppers are gna need an excel spread sheet to compare. ..there's soo many thin/light!
  • 2 0
 The pedals....kill my legs !
  • 3 0
 wahoo!
  • 2 1
 That LJB bike looks like a SC Heckler with some additional chainstay via VPP....
  • 2 0
 The 2016 Veckler.
  • 1 0
 There's a picture on my profile you might find very interesting. :-)
  • 1 0
 I like the idea of prototype, is it posible to observe diagrams of the prototype?
  • 1 4
 Interesting ......but at the end of the day it is a 4 bar linkage that looks fairly heavy due to the large members used for triangulation and shock mounts. This is why Weagle is WINNING.
  • 6 1
 The prototye was overbuilt for durability. Way overbuilt. No one who has ridden the bike has complained about the weight. Some have been concerned about the weight of the prototype when they first pick it up, but when they've given it back after a ride, they are all smiles. It climbes better than the 5-Spot I have, because it's more efficient and more supple.
  • 2 0
 Hey Chris... Very nice bike. Awesome to see a local Nanaimoite on the PB pages. Would love to get a closer look sometime.
  • 1 0
 +1 for Nanaimo! Also would love a shot at this thing.
  • 1 0
 What about the pedals
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