Giant Reign X1 Review

Aug 26, 2010 at 0:09
Aug 26, 2010
by Sharon Bader  
 
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Giant's Reign X1 looks to be one very capable do-everything type of machine. With 6.7inches of rear travel paired up to a Fox 160mm fork, the Reign X1 is looking to reign over the downhills, but still be able to get back to the top without too much hassle. For 2010 Giant redesigned the frame to eliminate the pierced downtube and shed some weight, something that can only help the bike's performance. Have a look inside to read two rider's perspectives on the revised X1!

Read on...

Getting Ready to Ride
Getting Ready to Ride


The Reign X1 is ready to drop into some gnarly North Vancouver terrain after climbing to the top


The Reign X comes in five sizes - X Small (15"), Small (16"), Medium 18"), Large (20") and Extra Large (21"); the medium being the size that was tested. For 2010 the front hydroformed triangle lacks the penetrated downtube near the bottom bracket and has a tapered head tube. The exaggerated sloping top tube allows for greater standover when things get tricky and the new downtube sees a different shock placement with clearance for the shock piggy back without needing to be pierced, as well as a water bottle. The cables are routed below the down tube. The seat tube has a bulge where the linkage plate is attached, and this determines how low the seat can be dropped. The continued use of Giant's own 'Aluxx' aluminum hydroformed tubes creates light weight and strong tubes. Common to all Giant full suspension mountain bikes since 2005 is the Maestro Suspension.


Giant Reign X1 dating profile picture: looking for a rider who doesn't mind suffering all day to get to the goods, and once they are there they'll be o.k. getting a bit wild. Must have an open mind and be willing to experiment in the bike park
Giant Reign X1 dating profile picture: looking for a rider who doesn't mind suffering all day to get to the goods, and once they are there they'll be o.k. getting a bit wild. Must have an open mind and be willing to experiment in the bike park


The rear triangle is connected to the frame via the two stout linkage plates. Bearings are used in the pivots and all are covered by dust caps. Vertical tubing between the seat and chain stays increases rear triangle stiffness. The chain and seat stays have a tapered construction to reduce weight and maintain stiffness and the 12x135mm rear thru-axle accommodates a Maxle Lite.


The X1's rear end is tied together with a stiff and convenient 12x135 Maxle Lite thru-axle
The X1's rear end is tied together with a stiff and convenient 12x135 Maxle Lite thru-axle


Maestro Suspension

Using a simple mnemonic - 4-2-1- the Maestro suspension is made up of four pivot points and two linkage plates that create one floating pivot point. This allows the rear wheel to travel along a vertical axis path as the bike travels through its suspension. This design separates pedaling and braking from suspension movement allowing the suspension to work independently of these forces. The Maestro suspension results in a linear spring curve to provide consistent suspension performance. This suspension is on all of the Giant performance full suspension bikes. Utilizing different shock placements and linkage plate sizes creates different travel across the line that best suits the bike's intended use.


The Maestro suspension claims

  • No power loss while climbing due to the floating pivot point that moves with the suspension
  • Braking does not influence suspension
  • No pedal kickback since the forces on the chain remain constant
  • Linear rising rate suspension. As the bike travels through the suspension it will absorbs small bumps early in the travel and absorbs larger bumps deeper in the travel

More information on the Maestro system can be found here.


Giant's Maestro design
Giant's Maestro design

Up close and personal with Maestro. Note the stays are attached to the main triangle via the short linkage plates, as well as the vertical brace between the chain and seat stay. This addition increases the stiffness of the rear triangle
Up close and personal with Maestro. Note the stays are attached to the main triangle via the short linkage plates, as well as the vertical brace between the chain and seat stay. This addition increases the stiffness of the rear triangle


Giant Reign geometry, size medium:

Head angle67 degrees
EFF Seat Angle72.5 degrees
Top Tube590 mm
Chainstay434.3 mm
Bottom Bracket13.75 mm
Standover749.3 mm
Wheelbase1140mm


Up front you'll find a Fox 36 Vanilla with 160mm/6.3inch of travel and weighing in at 5.26lb (with tapered steerer). The 36 looks to be well matched for this bike, offering a stiff and confidence inspiring front end. External adjustments of low and high speed compression, coil spring preload and rebound allow ample adjustment to suit any riding style or situation. The Fox fork's FIT damper with hydraulic bottom out resistance keeps the weight low by reducing the amount of oil used for damping by using a bladder instead of an open bath system. This also increases low speed compression adjustability. The 20QR tool-free axle system with the stepped thru axle combined with 36mm stanchions make this model a good choice for riders looking for a beefy front end. The tool-free axle system facilitates removal of the wheel quickly and effortlessly. As this is a coil fork, consideration must be made on how the spring suits the rider. A too stiff or too soft spring will affect the performance of this bike so anyone considering purchasing a coil fork needs to ensure they have the appropriate spring for their bike.

Fox looks after the rear suspension as well with their FOX DHX RC2, featuring low-speed compression adjustment (blue knob on piggy back), adjustable bottom-out force control via Schraeder valve (set between 125 - 200psi), coil spring preload, and rebound adjustment by turning the red dial. This is a simple shock with ample adjustability chosen for its reliable performance, cost savings, and that this suspension design does not require compression adjustment. Giant recommends running between 25 and 30% sag for their Maestro bikes. Again, performance is dependent on the shock spring being appropriate for the rider.


The Specs:

Frame and SizeGiant Reign X1
• Tapered headtube, ISCG-05 tabs
•medium Frame
•6.7" of travel
Rear ShockFox DHX RC2
ForkFox Vanilla R
HeadsetIntegrated Cartridge
CrankarmsRace Face Ride AM
Bottom BracketRace Face
Chainring24/36 w/bashguard
CassetteShimano HG50 9speed 11-34T
Rear DerailleurSram X9
ShifterSram X7 Trigger w/ Matchmaker
HandlebarRace Face Evolve AM
StemRace Face Evolve AM
BrakesAvid Elixir 5 185mm Front/160mm Rear rotors
WheelsetDT EX500 w Giant Tracker 20mm front, DT Swiss 340 w/12mm axle rear
TiresKenda Nevegal 26x2.35"
SaddleFizi'k Zeak w/7mm Manganese rails, custom for Giant
SeatpostGiant Connect SL, 30.9
RetailMSRP $3889.00 CAD



The Ride


Sharon's Impressions:

About me:

I am 5'9", weigh 154lbs. I have been riding since 1991. As mentioned above I come from an XC hard tail background, but have moved with technology and ride a Titus RacerX for XC, a Turner 6 pack for DH and Shore riding and a Knolly Endorphin set up for more freeriding/shore/technical XC riding.

This bike was provided to two other different style of riders to get their impressions for a more well rounded review.

When you first sit on this bike you notice that the cockpit seems shorter than its stated 23.2" and the bike settles firmly into the suspension. This shouldn't be surprising given that the suspension is designed to resist this initial input. When pedaling on flat terrain you do feel the suspension working and some may want Propedal in this situation, but when pedaling the bike on loose, rocky, and more technical terrain the suspension action didn't inhibit pedaling. The Maestro suspension is designed to separate pedaling and suspension forces and it certainly feels like they have accomplished this.


The Reign X1 on a typical wet day in North Vancouver. Rider: Sharon Bader, Trail: Ladies Only
The Reign X1 on a typical wet day in North Vancouver. Rider: Sharon Bader, Trail: Ladies Only


Watch the video to see the Reign X1 take on Ladies Only

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The bike came with a 500lb spring. I took the bike to Suspensionwerx in North Vancouver to ensure I had the best set up with this coil bike. While there I exchanged the 500lb spring with a 400lb spring to provide 23% sag. This was matched with 21% sag in the fork with a medium spring. Shock preload was set to one click in, propedal was set 4 clicks in and 170lbs psi was in the boost chamber. Rebound was adjusted as trail conditions warranted. The rebound adjustment knob was a bit inconvenient to get to as it was between the frame mounts for the shock, I'm not sure how this could be remedied. The fork preload was set 5 clicks in. The lack of an adjustable fork was noticeable on technical climbs, but on longer fire road ascents it wasn't an issue.


Sharon getting back to her roots
Sharon getting back to her roots


This bike was ridden on slow technical North Shore Trails (Ladies Only for example), the Whistler Bike Park, a 1200m fast shuttle descent in desert terrain, and more cross country type trails of Squamish (Credit Line for example). The Giant Reign X1 was very capable on slower technical trails. The Fox Vanilla fork could be pointed anywhere and it would float over whatever obstacle lay in front of it and the rear of the bike tracked well on these technical trails. One aspect of these trails is that the rider must stop suddenly to change direction and this bike was very adept at doing so. On slower speed jumps or drops of small to medium size the bike felt firm and supple.


Ever ridden Grumpy Grouse in Pemberton? If you aren't going to ride this section you better hope that you have some sticky soled shoes to walk down it! Sharon about to roll over the knuckle and into the silliness - Hell ya!
Ever ridden Grumpy Grouse in Pemberton? If you aren't going to ride this section you better hope that you have some sticky soled shoes to walk down it! Sharon about to roll over the knuckle and into the silliness - Hell ya!


The Reign X1 on video in Pemberton and Squamish

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The X1 shined in the Whistler Bike Park while on the technical single track black diamond trails like Schleyer, as well as more intermediate trails like Angry Pirate. While I did not ride it down A-line, another tester did, he felt that the bike under performed on this jump trail and we later determined that a stiffer shock could have helped in this situation since another tester here also felt the bike performed better on jump trails after replacing the 500lb spring with a 550lb spring.


The Reign X1 also spent some time in the Whistler bike park as well!

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Giant's Reign X1 and a giant cedar
Giant's Reign X1 and a giant cedar

Ladies rocks
Ladies rocks


On faster shuttle trails that are not very technical the bike was good. While it did get tossed around more than a downhill bike, it handled great for a 6.3inch all mountain machine. The Vanilla fork was again a factor in keeping the bike going straight and fast. The rear just had to follow and it did, but with some deflection when the terrain got rough. I'm sure this could have been compensated for by quickening the rebound. Shuttling on trails consisting of rock slabs, rocky loose chunder and roots, the bike rode well. The suspension was also able to soak up the loose rocky sections and track smoothly on the rock slabs. This bike was best on technical trails that demanded the right line choice.


Common problem with under BB cable routing
Common problem with under BB cable routing


On bigger jumps the brake cable would get stretched below the down tube. While there was a zap strap to keep the cable on the frame, this was easily broken. Even when the zap strap was replaced you could see the cable stretch between the two zap strap attachments. A cable reroute may be in order?


Chillin' on some smooth Squamish XC goodness
Chillin' on some smooth Squamish XC goodness


Overall Impression:

Great all mountain bike that handles technical terrain with confidence. While the rear suspension was active during climbing, in that you could see the suspension compress, it didn't affect performance significantly. The 34lbs was noticeable, but acceptable considering this is a bike geared more toward downhill performance. While the shorter cockpit was noticeable it didn't make climbing uncomfortable. The good standover also added to confidence in more technical terrain since it made bailing less frightening. The Fox Vanilla is an incredibly plush fork that didn't make you hesitate to plunge into the most technical terrain, the rear suspension soaked up most bumps, but did get thrown around in rough terrain at higher speeds. This wasn't that much of a factor though with the firm stiff Vanilla fork. The frame is tough and even handled hard days of shuttling.



Lee Lau's Impressions:

I'm 160 lbs, a bit more aggressive than Sharon, but by no means a big hucker. I'm not a finesse rider, but like steep technical trails.

Climbing

This is a decent workhorse when pointing uphill, but bib-short wearing uphill time trialists should look elsewhere if they want a sprightly climbing steed. As expected for a bike for this intended use (ie strong downhill bias), the weight, geometry and lack of adjustable height front fork works against you. The Reign X1 wallows up climbs as well as can be expected. Another issue I found is that the plushness of the coil suspension definitely works against you when you're working the Reign X1 hard in singletrack. This is especially an issue when you're pedaling over up-and-overs. Despite the BB height of 13.7", I would repeatedly bash the BB or stuff pedals into the ground as the rear end compressed. Another issue is the Reign X's lack of seatpost adjustability due to inability to drop the seatpost very far into the frame. This can be fixed by using a double clamp post or remotely operated telescoping model.

Lee on Tenquille Trail
Lee on Tenquille Trail


Downhill

I initially took issue with the Reign X1. I felt that the rear end was vague, especially when cornering hard at speed. I then found loose bolts in the linkage and tightened them up (had to take off the driveside cranks to do which was a pain in the arse). Following this housekeeping the bike changed and was precise in downhill mode. I did find the rear shock a bit hard to tune and there was a lot of playing around with air pressures in the booster valve before I got rid of harsh clunking on bottom-outs, but once it was dialed I felt very happy with the bike's performance.


Heading down Tenquille Trail
Heading down Tenquille Trail


With properly tuned suspension and a tight rear end , the bike feels precise when cornering, jumping and rolling off the steeps. Having said that, I still felt that The Reign X1 is a bit vague at high speeds. I'm not sure why given that it's relatively slack and given that I swapped out the kevlar bead 2.35 Kendas for 2.5 downhill tires for the Whistler Bike Park and 4,000 ft downhill shuttle laps in Lillooet. This is admittedly a subjective impression.


About those parts...

• The saddle is a very important part of a bike. Most bikes are equipped with a male specific saddle and this bike is no exception. The Fi'zi:k Zeak saddle made custom for Giant had a convex shape that was difficult to fit and taint for this test rider. Replacing and adjusting the saddle was very easy on the Giant Connect SL seatpost. You did have to ensure the bolt was tight since a hard hit on the seat could cause it to suddenly become nose up. One allen key was all that was needed and the seat was easily moved and adjusted on the rocker seatpost attachment which also had an adjustment level indicator. Saddles are a very personal thing though, if you don't get along with the Fi'zi:k, get your dealer to swap it out for you at the time of purchase.


The Giant's interesting Fi'zi:k saddle
The Giant's interesting Fi'zi:k saddle


• The Avid Elixir 5 brakes had very good power and modulation. These 395g brakes are the workhorse of the Elixir line. Not flashy, but consistent performance at a great price. They do require a 3mm allen key for reach adjustment though. Even on a sustained 7km descent with a 1200m vertical drop these brakes did not fade or lose their modulation.

• The SRAM X7 shifters with matchmaker clamp worked flawlessly. Matched with the SRAM X9 rear and Shimano SLX front derailleur, the drivetrain was consistent and predictable. The chainguide was another story though...

• The Race Face Atlas chainguide would move towards the rings when hit from underneath. This would result in a quick chain derailment. The chainguide had to be relocated and tightened often.

• The DT EX500 rims at 500grams are able to go tubeless and are classified as a durable cross country or all mountain rim. Coupled with the Giant Tracker 20mm front hub and 12mm DT Swiss 340 rear hub, the wheelset proved to be tough and durable. The Kenda Nevegal 2.35 Stick-E tires are a great addition and worked well in the terrain tested.

• The 27" wide stock handlebar felt a bit short and I'd like to see manufacturers supply longer handlebars that a rider can cut down to size. Also I don't particularly care for soft squishy grips, but much like the saddle, this is down to a rider's preference.


Scree riding on Tenquille
Scree riding on Tenquille


In summary, the Reign X1 is mainly a downhill biased bike that can be pedaled uphill in wallowing, but reasonable fashion. Having said that, it's not a dedicated downhill sled by any means. For me, it was a bit of a confused bike, but I prize uphill ability in my do-everything bikes so keep that bias in mind when considering my comments. If you're a rider more along the lines who tolerates uphills, but wants to bomb tight technical downhills at slow to moderate speeds, then this is a fine bike for you.

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146 Comments

  • + 16
 Used to have to old model! These bikes ride so nice!!! Props to GIANT!
  • + 7
 I still ride the 2008 model (I know some things have changed but the general idea is still the same). I ride it everywhere the testers rode (except Pemberton) and love it. I agree it isn't best at technical uphills, but considering how good it is downhill I think the uphill performance is excellent.
I have found those settings that suit me just right and now I go from A Line to Ladies only to CBC to 19th hole without changing anything.
These reviewers both seem more inclined to XC riding and I think their comment are fair, but if your like me and going up a hill is simply for the purpose of going down - then this is a great bike.
  • + 1
 i ride an 08 x0 and feels quite a bit different (i also have a totem, and atlas bars), the stand over is lower, on mine and my cockpit feels shorter. this model is sick gnar!! but i like mine better.
  • + 1
 nz - I rode this bike across bridle path and it did great. Also our definition of XC riding is quite a bit different then anywhere else. While I did ride it on a more traditional xc trail in Squamish it wouldn't be my bike of choice on smoother trails. It definitely shone on steeper technical trails.
  • + 2
 That's a good point for anyone outside BC, I agree with that Sharon. When I moved here from NZ, I was used to riding smoother xc trails. I was shocked by what people here considered xc, with the exception of some of the Squamish trails I can't really find anything that meets the NZ definition of xc here. Different perspectives will make a difference to what class you put this bike in.
  • + 1
 I had the 08 version of this bike and loved it. I have recently sold my frame and replaced it with an 08 Iron Horse 6point. I thought the Reign X was nice, but the Iron Horse with DW-Link suspension is better in my opinion. The suspension feels nicer on the downhills and seems to soak everything up a lot more. On climbs it also out performs the giant (straight seat tube enables me to run a full length post no problem), but again that is just my opinion. I also decided to change the 160mm forks that both of these bikes usually come stock with and swapped them for a 180mm fork which I prefer. Unfortunately Iron Horse doesn't make this frame any longer, and I found mine for a very good price online (rscycles). I've been looking at other companies that may put out a similar frame with the DW-Link design (hurry up Turner). This 2010 Model of the Reign X was going to be my first choice this year before I found the Iron Horse deal and I'm glad I decided to try something different.
  • + 1
 Hey pudding, you'll be interested in the next bike I'm reviewing...
  • + 1
 turner rfx?
  • + 1
 Turner MAY Be ready in Oct. As soon as it is I'll be getting one. Right now its the Pivot Firebird. Very worthy.
  • + 1
 Can't wait to hear your reviews and your comparisons between those very similar designs. On another note the one thing I like about what DW did with the 6point is that he used an 8.75 i2i shock which allows you to use a dhx air with 2.5" stroke and gives you 6.3" travel or a coil shock with 2.75" stroke and gives you 7 inches of travel. So those who would prefer a shorter travel all-mountain bike can do so, and those who want a longer travel but still very climbable light freeride bike can also do so. It would be nice if another company did something similar, I just like the versatility it gives me, and it opens up new opportunities for those like me who only have one do-it-all bike.
  • + 1
 the thing i noticed was they make the bikes too short- wheelbase and everything, and I rode a large, it still felt a little cramped. other than that, a very whippable and light bike!! but shall we discuss the seat tube?? i personnaly like my testicles the way they are..
  • + 1
 i ride my reign x0 pretty slack, with almost half sag, so feels more like a freeride, dh bicycle
  • + 3
 Sorry to interject here right near the top with a tangential topic, but I'm reading all the jazz below here and am noticing that you guys (Sharon and Lee) are answering almost everyone's comments. It's so refreshing to have some intelligent responses to quell the usual flame war responses that erupt after most articles here on Pinkbike from the PB Kids! Thanks for keeping it interesting, and great review.
PS I do however think you guys are both bastards for living the life most people here want.
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  • + 14
 4 grand for an rc2 and vanilla r, kinda shitty
  • + 53
 ...thats why the rest of the bike is included for that price too.
  • + 0
 they down graded the specs. i got my 2008 with a dhx 4 coil and hope mono brakes brand new for $2500
  • + 1
 pricey indeed. I was stoked when reading the specs and thought this might be in the mid 2 rage and affordable...then BAM $3900 price tag.
  • + 1
 would it not be ruffly the same price to build a intense tracer with teh same spec? I would defo not be looking at a giant for 4 grand!
  • + 1
 thats true. me personally i would go for the spesh enduro, then pick whatever model fits my budget.
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  • + 4
 Lee Lau, in your review, you used the words 'confused' and 'vague' to describe the bike. These are not words that describe bikes, they are used to describe bike reviewers... I don't want to hear about how you didn't like the grips, the tires, the chainguide, the handlebar, the seat. I want to hear how the bike RIDES! And not just the climbing (to which you admittedly said your review would be biased), how does it jump? How does it corner? Can it be manualled? Does it drift? The Reign is available as a frameset, what about the riders who want to build their own? What do they care about OEM parts? Not the best review ever....
  • + 2
 Hmmm - usually I/we are criticized for giving too much information and not enough.

I will take this as a challenge to write better! I can't however, change review style to fit your prescriptive questions which are very bullet-point oriented to fit your specific needs.

Jumping - neither great nor bad. Coil front and rear make landings pretty easy. The bike moves around nicely. But it's not outstanding.

Cornering - Good at slower to medium speeds. Average at high speeds. I mentioned this many times when I said it was vague at high speeds. If you don't think "vague" is sufficiently descriptive then we will have to agree to disagree.

Manualling - neither great nor bad. I'm not sure what you're getting at here? To me, manualling is mainly a function of rider skill.

Drift - oh yes it drifts.

Without trying to sound too much like a smart ass; do you (or others) - everyone feel free to pile on here really not want to hear about the components? After all, bear in mind this is a BIKE review. Not a FRAME review (I've done frame reviews before and then I don't focus so much on the components).

Do others really want this kind of bullet point analysis? Frankly I've avoided it because it seems really like handholding. Or maybe I am just off-base.
  • + 4
 While I agree with Phil the Vague and Confused are not the best words, I disagree on his take on not talking about parts. We as testers are given specific models of complete bikes to tests and at times we get just the frame. We have to alter the write ups accordingly and this was about the WHOLE bike and not just the frame, so yes it is very important to touch upon likes and dislikes on the component groupo. Personally I felt this review to be very thorough in regards to the complete package. As for manualling and it being a bike trait, man that means that every bike I've ridden must suck at manualling if its a trait of the bike and not my own inability! This is great news!
  • - 5
 At least Brule reviews a product in an unbiased way that excludes any unneccessary and pointless bits of information because he doesn't need to make himself feel important. If you make valid points, you won't need to childishly defend your lack of riding speed/ability or expertise in the comments section below your article. Brule's work is professional, Leelau is an amateur.
  • + 2
 earns - somehow this is becoming very personal. I'll have to conclude that you're not interested in debate and more interested in personal attacks. Good luck to you on that!
  • + 4
 Earns, not sure where you are coming with that call out towards Lee, but I've met very few people as thorough and knowledgeable as Lee and Sharon in the bike testing world - hence why we are stoked to have them on board as testers for their open opinions and abilities to see the whole picture when review a vast variety of products. We all offer up as much detail as needed with out trying to bore the readers, but also try to explain how items work for or against us. Please enjoy the write ups, offer constructive criticism (both good and bad), but please don't trash talk us or our fellow testers here on the site, they are doing it because they to love to share the ride. THanks.
  • + 3
 Thanks for the response, Lee. I re-read the article, and along with your add-on I understand where you stand Reign-wise a bit better. Brule, while I agree that the build kit of a bike must be taken into consideration when reviewing a bike, I think a review should be biased more towards the sum of the parts than just the parts themselves. What's your opinion on that, in general AND relative to this particular article?

Earns: When you start getting paid to ride and review, then you can start calling people out for being amateur. Childish? Talk about the pot and the kettle...
  • + 1
 @earnstheturns -

Your insults show you don't know Lee and Sharon personally. They also draw an inaccurate comparison of Tyler Brule and Lee and/or Sharon.

I've ridden with both Lee and Sharon, on a very long ride that tested everyone's fitness, climbing skills and descending skills. I've also been reading their posts on e-forums for many years. They are experienced athletes who also have a technical approach to their gear preferences. They do excellent reviews of ski gear as well as MTB gear, for those of us who appreciate experienced technical reviews of gear. To suggest they are inferior testers compared to anyone you may designate as "professional" -- well that's just plain ignorant. As I said, it shows how little you know about them.

As to "professional" testers, I'd suggest you're showing another ignorance there, the lack of information or understanding about how "professional" MTB journalism happens. It's driven by advertiser money, not detailed, technical, experienced reviewers adding some personal experience to the review. Richard Cunningham of MBA is a hell of a funny guy in person, very knowledgeable, but in print, in "professional" guise, he is a salesman for those who put ads in his magazine.

I think I'll take Lee's and Sharon's reviews any day.

Great work, Sharon & Lee.
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  • + 4
 Excellent reviews. And I loved the rider bios as I can look at the rider's styles and take the info from the rider that is roughly the same size and rides like myself. Always one of my first questions is how does this bike ride when a person of my size and skill rides it? Sometimes reviewers from other sites are large people (over 6 foot) and have gripes with geometry with XL frames when all I care about are the smalls and mediums. The multiple reviewer method was excellent and I loved the different perspectives.
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  • + 4
 I have the 08 Model, it's handled Bikeparks like Whistler to Morzine/Les Gets incredibly well. A truly hardcore all mountain/freeride bike.

+ Reigns manage climbs just fine thanks to the Maestro technology, unless you're fat of course Razz
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  • + 5
 id like to see a bike test where they actually strecth the bike capabilities not going to lie but no one is going that quick
  • + 1
 Ollie - remember that Lillooet/Della video where our average speed was 40kmh and the top speed was 63 kmh? I was on the Giant ReignX - that's plenty quick I think! Didn't want to recycle the video for this article as its a bit self-spammy.
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  • + 3
 One of the most in-depth tests/reviews I've ever read. I wish I could read something like this for ANY bike. Good job and thanks, Sharon & Lee.
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  • + 1
 Giant makes some good bikes but they need to work on the derailleur hangers. Ive had my 2010 stp for 3 day and I already demolished the derailleur hanger and derailleur and like 10 spokes and I had a perfect landing. Step it up Giant.
  • + 1
 I agree i've broken 4 this month on all perfect landings
  • + 1
 Doesn't sound all that perfect to me. Is your derailleur in the largest rear cog? If so, shift it to a smaller cog and it won't bounce into your spokes. The hanger's supposed to bend/break to prevent any damage to the frame.
  • + 1
 thats what im saying my derailer hanger keeps breaking which sucks does anyone know how to fix this
  • + 1
 I don't know about it happening on landings but I know they need to be straightened all the time because they are so soft.
  • + 1
 When mine broke it was in 8. And it was a flawless landing, no casing or over rotation.
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  • + 4
 What about the rear brake cable route?! Imagine hitting a rock just enough to pinch off the hose :O
  • + 2
 I thought it might be vulnerable but after 3 months of riding, we've never come close to doing that
  • + 1
 No doubt you're an experienced rider. Imagine the people that aren't.
  • + 1
 Since riding the Giant I've noticed this routing on a lot of bikes this year. the pro's are that the cable it out of the way, and rock strikes don't seem to impact it as much as one would think.
  • - 1
 Internal routing should be the new standard even for aluminum frames. That's the cleanest IMO. Cheers, S
  • + 1
 I like the clean ness of internal routing. I also think there should now be cable guides for adjustable seatpost for all bikes in this class. But that's just one reviewers opinion. Looking at new bikes I think companies are listening though
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  • + 1
 I've had issue with the Reign X 2010 lower link. It broke on me about 2.5 months into riding my new 2010 X2. Bummer. Seems like i'm not the only one with this problem. Could be a 2010 Reign X design fault. The lower link is machined away to fit the bolt hole for the chain guard, so its breaking on the chain side.

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So far Giant hasn't made any public statement, even though it looks like the shit hits the fan on a lot of Reign Xs. I got a new (warranty) link through Ridleys here in Calgary, it took about 3 weeks, but it was the same design, so it'll likely break again (apparently they break when climbing, under pedal forces)

Some people are kickin around rumors that Giant is working on a redesign? Huh. Giant, whats the deal?

Anyone have any comments?
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 Its a combination of things,the lower pieces on that bike take lots of abuse from latteral forces,the elements, poor desing and the fact that the warranty department at giant is quite probably one of the worst ones out there. They will take care of you but, they dont follow up and relay info to the factory. It happens to some companies but giant needs some help there.
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 I've had no problems with my xo this year. It has nearly 1000km of abuse from xc days, bike parks, shuttles and 24 hrs of adrenaline. I know Giant's warranty is great as my buddy had an issue with a frame and he had a new one at his door 5 days after the phone call. If there is problems I would think it is a dealer problem.
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 I’m looking at some of the geo information for the 2010 Reign X. it is stated on the Canadian website that the chain stay length is 17.1”. On the Australian site length is listed in centimetres and its 44cm.

17.1” equals 43.4cm or 44cm equals 17.3”. By what I read here actual length seems to be closer to 17.3”. Is this the consensus? I was looking at the Scratch Air specs and depending how you run the adjuster you can get 17.2” from it. Someone posted 17” for a Trek but that must be for the Session.
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 My good buddy terryjamesbrown (terryjamesbrown.pinkbike.com) has been riding this bike all season, everywhere. He's got a KS seatpost on it so he can ride it XC, but can drop it low to hit up Whistler. He rides all the trails at W from Goat's to hitting the container to DM, yet can kill it on the Sunshine Coast XC trails too. This is a great all around bike for sure!
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 "...Linear rising rate suspension. As the bike travels through the suspension it will absorbs small bumps early in the travel and absorbs larger bumps deeper in the travel" - Amazing insight!! I was always sure it was the other way around...
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 hey guys, i'm thinking of getting a reign x1 2010 edition and was wondering what other options they are. i weigh 50 kg. i am 1.55 cm tall and 14 years old looking for a bike for light dh/freeride. thanks
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 How can you possibly complain about "wallowing" when you ride a 7" coil sprung bike? Of course its going to wallow uphill.
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 Upgrade the shock to something with a lock out?
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 Complaining is a pretty loaded term. I think of it more as disclosure. I thought that was a very relevant fact that would be important to anyone buying this bike - note that the bike isn't changed from 2010 to 2011 so its appropriate observation to next year's buyers. Its such a plush bike that it wallows. I've ridden other coil sprung bikes (actually 6" travel) that didn't pedal like a hippotamus taking a dump.

Also thought it was relevant since the Reign X1 is sought after by consumers who have a need to pedal uphill.
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 Lee.....aren't Maesto/VPP platforms supposed to reduce pedal bob, including on the uphill climbs ? This was my perception based on everything I've heard in the past. In which case, your feedback is interesting, relevant, and useful.
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 gnarbar - they're supposed to. On the Giant Trance I've tried (full review coming in 2011) with an air shock it feels like pedal bob is being reduced. That's a prelim observation though and I don't like drawing conclusions without long-term riding. Also that was on xc terrain - clipped in. I really tried with the ReignX to dial in the rear coil and think I succeeded at least on the downhill aspect as its a fine freeride bike but the uphill and rolling terrain - not so much. Note that Sharon didn't find it to be so much the case but I attack climbs really hard and mash pedals/ - Sharon spins more
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 Mashing? Its not an XC bike...so why would you ride it like one? Maybe you just need to gain some strength and ride more intelligently... IMHO this was a relatively incompetent review and rather dissapointing after finding it on the homepage.

I have one suggestion: if there is logical user error involved in a critique, ie loose bolts, incorrect spring weight for a new rider, etc... leave it out of the article!
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 I really don't understand where you're coming from and also don't understand the rather immature need for personal insults. I'm going to refrain from descending to your level and try to respond "intelligently". I mashed the pedals as in I tried to power the bike up hills. When I do so, the suspension sags a lot and the BB and/or pedals then strike obstacles. I can compensate for that by ratcheting but its a trait of the bike that should be mentioned and was mentioned. I challenge you to explain how exactly mashing pedals means I am treating the Reign X like a XC bike?

As to loose bolts, it is mentioned because this was brand new bike and should have a bit more loctite. It is mentioned as a headsup to other people to check their ReignX's.

As to incorrect spring weight; that bike in its stock spec is under-sprung for a 160lb rider - which is very close to the median of the bike-buying population.

I'll have to disagree with your characterization of this as "logical user error". Instead I believe these are very relevant facts.
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 Are we talking seated or standing while pedalling?

If you sit and spin there is little pedal-induced bob on Maestro bikes, even on the Glory. If you stand up and hammer - every bike will bob - pushing down on a bike from above is the same as pushing up from it from below, either way the suspension will compress, that's its job.
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 imamodel - little but still there, as you said,that's what suspension does! Not an issue on short or technical climbs, but on those hour long logging road climbs it would be nice to have a lock out.
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 I ride giant with maestro on all of my bikes and it honestly performs amazing with pedal bob. On my Trance X it bobs barely if i'm standing and not at all while sitting where my glory dh bobs barely while sitting but bobs subsequently as to how hard you are powering while standing. even pedal stokes= no bob while mashing only creates bob while standing. I have noticed how people talk about the 25 percent issue with maestro. the bikes are very soft through the first 25% over obstacles then becomes very stiff while I have noticed that the last 25% bottoms out almost immediately once you get it there.
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 @sharon. If you are going for hour long climbs, you have clearly chosen the wrong bike.
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 undercover - sometimes you have to go on long climbs get to the goods, and when I review a bike I like to try it out in all applications so I know what its really good at or not.
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 I was going to get one of these for 2010 because it looked like what i wanted. A Bike which could handle the downhills but could get back up again without pushing, But the price kinda put me off :/
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 I know it has been said before but I still think it is shameless that way Giant has ripped off the DW link, and even Ironhorse's exact shock configuration right down to the shock mount being concentric with the low front pivot. I'm sure there is a slight change to the instantaneous pivot point which gave them a thin defense. I guess I should just be happy that the design is still available at all...
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 greater and more expensive minds have debated this question and the Maestro stands.
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 Maestro was developed independantly of DW-Link. I know this for a fact. Even the co-pivot was invented in isolation. I know this for a fact too. Anyone who says differently doesn't know the truth. Anyone who wants to argue, please preface your argument by naming the guy who designed both Maestro and the co-pivot.
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 I've put this higher up, but I thought I'd mention it again. I've had a Reign X from 08 and have an IH 6point from 08. DW-Link out performs Maestro, very similar looking, but there must me a difference in the links and the location of the links. Easier to pedal uphill, and soaks everything up on the DH's. My experience with these two frames is probably the best due to the fact that I'm using exactly the same parts on both frames with the exception of a wider bb, wider rear hub, and different size shock 8.75x2.75 vs Reigns 7.875x2.25 (both Marz Roco), which could make all the difference I guess?
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 The spring rate curves are different (slightly) so it makes sense they feel a bit different, but the shock stroke length and setup would make a big difference. The 08 reign is a very different design with the shock mount further forward - changes the spring rate curve significantly.

Regardless of "independant development" the concept remains the essentially same and as such, the patent would still apply. Dave Weagle himself said he just wasn't willing to take on Giant in a courtroom.
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 bolini, I totally agree that if Maestro infringes DW then it certainly does infringe DW, without question. What I take exception to is that people say that Giant COPIED DW, which is not true - it is complete fabrication and I doubt even Dave Weagle would say that (and I'm sure he knows that they didn't copy, because he would have had far more contact with the guys at Giant than I did). If I knew that Giant studied the DW-Link when they developed Maestro, I wouldn't buy it, end of story. I can't stand that shit. I just bought my seventh Giant based on ride, cost, build-quality and, would you believe, the fact that everyone I've met who works or rides for them is a very nice guy.

Giant developed the NRS system but when it came to market they found out it infringed Specialized's FSR patent. They pulled NRS at great expense. So they had to come up with a design that did not infringe anyone's patent and developed Maestro. After the expense of NRS, there is NO WAY they copied anyone else's design. Note that this is not my proof that they did not copy, but a reason why they tried to make sure that Maestro was independant and patent-infringement free.
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 Iamamodel, Im going to tell you there is no infringment issues between DW and maestro. There is a very important diference wich is not covered by the DW patent and that posser bolini fail to explain, because he does not know anything about the language that is required to file such patent. The DW patent covers the ONLY! the placement of the pivots from the center drawn on the front the bike, thats why there is a perfect and almost horizontal line between the lower pivot. thus achiving eficent pedaling and braking. In plain words. Maestro places the lower link pivot BELOW THE BOTTOM BRACKET! versus the DW wich is above and the lower front pivot in FRONT OF THE BOTTOM BRACKET! versus the DW wich is behind.
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 Enrico, please note my original comment:
"I'm sure there is a slight change to the instantaneous pivot point which gave them a thin defense." That is to say, that Giant's link is just different enough that the outcome of a patent infringement case would be difficult to predict. What you seem to not understand is that the location of one pivot doesn't necessarily affect the characteristics of the motion (note that every single DW link is totally different - see Turners new DHR vs the old IH Sunday); it is the location of where the instantaneous pivot point is throughout the stroke of the suspension. If you draw a line through the two pivots of the upper link, and then the two pivots of the lower link, they intersect at this IPP. That is where the wheel pivots around at that point of the stroke. While the exact geometry is different for Maestro, the concept and tunability of the design is the same. Arguing with you is like trying to talk to a dog.
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 Read this, if you can.
www.google.com/patents?id=wj-TAAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=4&source=gbs_overview_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
Then tell me where in the patent it states that the location of the lower pivot has to be an inch higher or lower than the BB.
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 This review had everything i look for in a review.great work.
still wouldnt buy it but i now know more about something to do with MTB so its not bad hey?
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 terrific review, and great pics. PB - more bike reviews should be this comprehensive!
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 Such a shame that Giant still insist on putting such a short stroke shock on this bike given that it nearly has 7 inches of travel.
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 Short shocks weigh less, a lot less. And why would you ever need a longer shock on an AM bike? Its not ever gonna see the shaft speed or heat of a DH bike and the tiny oil volume increase is going to do nothing. On the other hand a longer shock will have a heavier shock body as well as a longer, heavier spring
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 actually, they did put a longer stroke shock on it, but it gave the bike more travel so they called it a Glory.
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 Relatively high BB? It's 13.7..
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 Good catch. I edited that part but it failed to hit the review. It should have read "I would repeatedly bash the BB or stuff pedals into the ground as the rear end compressed." and deleted the reference to BB height in that sentence. My error and thx for the correction
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 Thanks for the catch, all changed now.
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 Also, being a tall dude, I saw you listed an XL size available. They don't make an XL for the Reign X or I'd buy one.
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 Cliffy - this info was direct from Giant Canada and added to the article today.
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 I saw that. Funny how you can't get the XL on the SX or 0 model. It's not unheard of that Giant's website isn't always accurate. I'll talk to my rep. Wink
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 After all of this detail.... I still want to know how much it weighs...

Anyone know?

I am guessing 36lbs, which is getting close to a DH rig these days....
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 they said 34lbs
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 It says it weighs 34lbs. The reign x0 weighs 3.2
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 "The 34lbs was noticeable, but acceptable considering this is a bike geared more toward downhill performance."
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 my 2010 xo is 30.5
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 Cool story, bro.
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 There is a fix for the seatpost slipping from Giant. Talk to your authorized Giant Dealer for details. It applies to all the Giant Connect SL posts.
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 i loved this bike when i owned it
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 I will sell my anthem x1 and glory 01 for this. I dont join competitions anyway.
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 Good write up, would like to see a comparison between the the Reign X1 and Specialized Enduro Expert Evo
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 I totally agree. I'm trying to decide between something like this bike, Mojo HD, Enduro Expert Evo or non Evo, and Santa Cruz Nomad. Just too many good bikes..
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 I have a 2010 enduro comp, its a great bike. I havent been able to take a giant for a full test ride but from what Ive seen the specialized design is better for pedaling. The Evo should be about a pound lighter and has 170mm fork.
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 traditionally horst link bikes bob more then other designs and really benefit from propedal.

I haven't ridden the new Enduro, just the old one and the Pitch pro. While neither of these bob'd as much as other horst bikes I've ridden ( turner 6pack, titus racerx, endorphin ) the giant did bob less.
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 Wrong! horst link works best when fully active, the reazon you feel the giant works better is because as the bike squats it stops somewhwere past 25% sag and thats the problem that Mountain Bike Action found on the bike, its linear but not as active as other bikes and the long stays dont help to make it more active than the specialized wich run short stays making every pedal input noticeable on the suspension movement.
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 Is this happening while pedaling? Because Giant designed this suspension purposefully to tighten up while pedaling and decrease pedal bob.
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 No, under pedaling the rear stays usually are on a horizontal line acording to the b.b. so the energy is transfered more efficient. The rear suspension should remain active at all times in theory.
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 I always thought that the Reign and the Trance looked ugly. Like those cartoon drawings of old horses with the sagging back and stomach. Thorough review though.
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 u can get a demo for cheaper then this!
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 ya but this feels better than the cheaper demo
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 It's gorgeous!! Could even put a Float 180 on it however doing XC might not be to great... DH though it would be sick!
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 my reign sx weighs 32 out the box
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 my 08 x0 ways 36, with a totem coil
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 "6.3in travel all mountain machine"? sure the fork is 6.3 but isn't the bike 6.7?
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 I thought the first paragraph which said - and I quote "Giant's Reign X1 looks to be one very capable do-everything type of machine. With 6.7inches of rear travel paired up to a Fox 160mm fork" ... would be obvious enough but perhaps not. Next time - all the measurements in fathoms and furlongs
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 sorry. I feel like a bit of an arse now. I guess i was being too picky, my bad. I appreciate the writeup. It was great to hear such a comprehensive review of this bike
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 I think that was just a rough average of 6 inches up front and 6.7 inches in the back.
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 No worries jweinstein. I enjoy taking the piss sometimes. The imperial/metric thing is a bugger hence some typoes
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 Chainstays too long,4 grand for a van R ?, and they stiil have not fix the mid stroke dead spot on the rear suspension, pointed by Mountain Bike Action magazine.
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 the chainstays make it less chuckable but they make it less likely to loop out on climbs and more stable on dh. I have an intense ss and my friend has a reign x. I would rather have mine for freeriding because it is easier to huck but the reign x is way better at steep climbs. I can agree about the midstroke and even though the rc2 sounds cool it isn't worth it over the r. They did put a killer rear shock on there-rather that than a rc2 fork and a vanr rear shock. 4k is a lot but the frame is one of the most overly engineered frames on the market-wicked light, stiff and those hydroformed tubes are gorgeous. if this bike said intense or santacruz on the side ppl would be lining up and raving about what a value it is.
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 Wrong! The 2011 demo 8 has the shortest stays in the market at 16.6 and it works better than the glory wich has fail to win any races. Wrong also on the frame construction, their frames are build like that cause they jigs they use for tooling dont need to be changed often wich actually makes the frame cheaper to build every year.In top of that they own the factory so that beloved frame you are purchasing is really cheap!, they dont want to give you the best because it cost too much to change that 5 year old model!
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 I will agree that the longer stays do not necessarily make it more stable in high speed situations.I will stick to my belief that it does help a long travel bike climb which is one of the duties that are important to people who plan on using the bike as an all mountain bike.
I don't see how I am wrong about the frame construction...the tubes are hydroformed, giant did a lot of research and testing of the frame beyond a cad model to make sure that each tube is shaped in the most efficient matter of strength/weight/stiffness. I understand that giant owns their own factory and make the bikes with robotic models and jigs which lowers their cost. The thing is that someone has to pay for the thought and development process that went into the frame (suspension design) and the lifetime warranty. Giant would be stupid as a company to not try to keep their prices comparable with other companies when they have a strong product that will separate itself from the competition (I don't see how the pricing is ridiculous compared to a comparable specialized enduro. It seems like everyone who dislikes Giant's geometry hasen't ridden their bikes. Who cares what bikes are winning races, most of that has to do with how fast the team riders are. Just because Sam Hill made everyone believe that Ironhorse made the best dh bike in the world and is now making people think specialized is king doesn't mean that giant's all mountain/fr bike sucks.
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 edit: two posts due to length

Giant does change their bikes year to year. Generally if there is a problem in the first year of production they cannot change it for the next year because they have already started gearing up for the next year (2011 models are becoming available now). Take a look at the regular reign or the anthem x, giant changed the head angle on the reign a couple of years ago and added a tapered headtube and pressfit bb on the 2011 reign and anthem x.
If it is any consolation even though the juggernaut of inflation has continued its destructive path giant's 2011 pricing is lower than 2010.
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 Wrong Mr. weinsten.
I was one of the few people to be invited to test the new giants last october down southern cal.
( Any person that works at giant can verify that im telling the truth cause only few people where invited to test the bikes)
I did notice what Mountain Bike Action found on the maestro improvements and flaws.
The long chainstays are at issue because if giant makes them shorter the rear suspension becomes less active.As for fabrication goes, the small improvements made, are in fact like i mention very easy to do. Specialized put out a whole new model with frame construction that is avail. to giant and still keep prices competitive. But giant has gone the easy way and keep the same in favor of profit. The flaws still there and pointed by a magazine not me.
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 I will admit, I am wrong about your lack of saddle experience on the reign x.
I don't see what you are trying to argue at this point. You say it is easy for giant to make small improvements and that they should shorten the chainstays so the fact that they aren't is simply stingy. You are also saying that they fiscally can't shorten them due to the suspension design. So what is it; easy or impossible? If it is impossible then I guess they aren't being cheap. I will agree to disagree that a slightly longer than 17in chainstay isa problem on the reign x, glory-yes it is a problem. IMHO longer stays that help climbing are fine on an all mountain bike.
I don't understand what specialized did for 2011 with the enduro; looks the same as 2010 to me. If you are saying that they added something else in their lineup then my response would be that giant released the anthem x 29er, completely re did the stp, introduced the talon 29er, etc. Big companies with large, diversified line ups cannot be expected to overhaul every frame, every season. There is a reason that people like you and I chose to buy small, botique frames like the offerings of intense-constant updates, options, (geometry, dropouts, vpp), etc. That being said, when a design is popular even the small brands will keep a frame for a couple years. Intense kept your slopestyle frame without change for two consecutive years and they are doing the same with the slopestyle2, Uzzi, 951, etc.
If you are trying to say that you think maestro as a whole is flawed then I am sure that you could at least agree that even if it is not your favorite design it is worlds better than any single pivot. I know most people like maestro, but if you are dead set against it then I respect your right to your own opinion.
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 JW - your comment about Sam Hill convincing people the Sunday was best, and now Specialized is king, is strange. Hill helped IH redesign the Sunday, and made it into the fastest bike - just ask all the WC privateers who still rode it even after IH went tits up. Now Hill has redesigned the Specialized to emulate the Sunday (low BB, stiff rib-cage/swingarm combination, low center of gravity, similar wheelpath and similar spring rate curve).
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 Wrong on all counts, Specialized uses horst link and a the leverage ratio goes from 2.9 to about 2.6 at the end. versus the Dave W. link which was linear mostly.
The rear swingarm on the demo is attached to the front triangle versus the sunday wich is suspended by the top and bottom link that rotate clockwise (in the santacruz/intense combo one rotates clockwise and the other counter)and is isolated from the front triangle wich yields a diferent wheelpath (specialized is curved and the D.W. goes almost straight).
I dont know where are you getting your info.I work for specialized and the demo suspension has been arround for almost 7 years. No racers help.
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 Enrico, you are out of your league. Linkages affect four main performance issues, wheel path, chainstay length changes (pedaling performance), rate curve and torsional stiffness. The design of how it is attached and what direction it rotates is irrelevant once you hop on. Wheel path is important for traction when they impact bumps. Both bikes move back a bit then arc up, so accomplish the same thin in different ways. Chainstay length is related (except with gt and a few other unique designs) and again, both bikes have good pedaling characteristics as a result. Rate curve is a shape, not two numbers, and defines how the bike feels throughout the stroke over small and large chunder. The dw link has a perfect s curve that give flat low ratio compliance for small bumps and predictable steady rising rate until a final linear phase. The new demo now has a very similar curve, though they have not published it to my knowledge. I have sat on it and it feels similar. Tortional stiffness is a product of how stiff the anchor points are, and how stiff the pivots and links are. Both bikes have a rib cage set low in the frame to create that anchor stiffness. Do some reading on the development of the demo and you will see monster team getting credit for everything from the low bb to the new tires specialized makes for them. Do you really think it is just a couple of dudes in the specialized office saying "dude lets attached the swing arm to the frame directly! That will be awesome". And don't get help from the best riders in the world?

Spend a few years in engineering school before you act like you know what you are talking about.
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 Did i touched a nerve?
Because i can tell you i worked for intense before specialized and i also can tell you that i test for Marzocchi new products, (check my profile for the prototype suspension on my bikes), i also can tell you that i just finished testing the new ROCO shock coming for 2011
But you probably have better credentials or better bikes than that beat up used sunday or the crapy mojo (dude, get new bikes) and would like to share.
Or is all a mirror of your favorite trail:
PIPE DREAMS!
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 Easy psycho, my mojo hd is 2 weeks old and the sunday on my page is my old sunday. I bought another last year. How is that dead spot in the middle of your travel on your intense?

What happened, did intense can you for pretending you were a pro? Specialized need someone to push a broom? I'm soooo impressed that you have proto marzocchi crap, I'm sure someday they will be able to build better suspension and win something...
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 Dont have the m6 anymore, sold it. Got me a 951 ,oh i forgot i sold it. got me an specialized sx ,oh and its already for sale,(check my buy and sell, i have more bikes than your pipe dreams) and you still havent answer the question about your credentials.
Tell you what, Im willing to hear your arguments, im going to be at the specialized display at interbike this september and i will introduce you to the 2 guys behind the demo project.
Maybe im wrong and you can convince them about your point of view.
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 Alright, so now we are getting somewhere. You have credit problems and can't keep up to the payments on your bikes. You have an AM bike that is droopy. You are 44 and clinging to the notion that you are still in some way "special" like your parents told you when you were a kid. You like to drop names/associations to try to gain credibility (its not working). If you worked for specialized, they would fire you in a second for being such an a*shole on a public forum. You act out your disappointment and anger by criticizing innocent forum posters. Most of all, you act and probably look like Dwight from "the office". Am I close?

Tell me how much this looks like the sh*tbox demo from 2 years ago before the pros fixed it...
nsmb.com/3892-specialized-big-bikes-2011-part-3
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 looks like the pros added curvy tubing.... ppl are trend whores. ppl buy up bikes that top pros ride, period. it's still the same horst, the shock is still essentially in the same position...etc
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 Still avoiding the subject, is in it?
I knew it, another clown that does not work or is related to the industry,has no experience,no background,no future.
Well, my invitation is there, just wanted to make sure you can prove in any way or form that you have credibility on your arguments.
Dont waste my time,like i said, just another clown!
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 I'm sorry, but this is awesome!
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 I want to see bolini's credentials too!
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 No one of consequence. Just had a little spare time last night and hate guys like enrico who shit all over these forums.
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 Hey cubby, This posser claims that he deverloped VPP! And was at the OLIMPIYCS! HA HA HA HA HA HA!
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 this has turned into a ridicules pissing contest by all...
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 How are the Giant Bikes in General?
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 I think this is an excellent review.
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 You know what they say: "Smile, you're on camera"
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 Thanks for the review! Is that Trance X review still coming?
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 Nice ride but the chainstay is half an inch too long for me.
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 I completely agree. 440 mm = 17.32". I used to think that with more travel longer chainstays were the way to go. Then I saw that Specialized's Demos with 8" of rear travel were running 16.5" chainstays. For at least the past 5 years (if not even longer), none of the Demos (8 or 9) or BigHits have run chainstays longer than 428 mm = 16.85". Seeing this has changed my respect for long chainstays. IMHO short = better feedback, more maneuverability both side to side and fore/aft, better traction, and most importantly, a more fun ride.

Lee said this bike felt vague at high speeds, and I would say those long chainstays don't help, but that would be a bit of a wild guess, since almost everyone, except Specialized and a few boutique brands, is running stupid long chainstays.
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 If you think 17.3 is long,the glory is even longer, i guess they dont want to say: OK Specialized was rigth from the get go.
Even trek got the message an set theirs at 17 inches.
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 Typo on the chainstay length, they are 434.3mm on a Medium.
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