Oct 15, 2007
Following an announcement by Honda at the end of the final JCF race series in Japan at the weekend, it can be confirmed that Team G Cross Honda will not be continuing.
23 Degrees Sports Management, the company hired by the Honda Racing Corporation to manage the international mountain bike race activities for the company, confirms today that the program will have no future beyond 2007.
According to the statement released by Honda Racing Corporation:
"First of all, we want to express our gratitude to Team Director Martin Whiteley, riders Greg Minnaar, Matti Lehikoinen, Brendan Fairclough, and Cyrille Kurtz, and the talented technical staff of 23 Degrees for their complete understanding and cooperation to the challenge; realising a completely new and world class race category for Honda.
As a motorcycle manufacturer, we had achieved the approach of this challenge by applying our technology which has been cultivated by our motorcycle development, and getting some feedback to our motorcycle technology is one of the purposes of our entry into the downhill mountain bike racing activity. The original "RN01" technology for example, frame and suspension, was designed utilizing off road motorcycle technology, including a very special centrally mounted gearbox that is able to change shift at any time; these were improved repeatedly, and were completed as we expected and hoped it would when we started this project back in 2000. The correctness of direction, and our approach, has been validated by the fact that we have been the number one international team for the past 2 years, and proven by the race results including acquisition of the NORBA title (2004) and UCI World Cup title (2005).
Again, we wish to express our gratitude to all team members and persons related to this project, and want all members of the team to continue aiming at success in all the challenges that lay before them. We deeply appreciate the cooperation and warm guidance we received as a company from both the race scene and the bicycle industry, allowing us to learn a lot over these years, and of course, we greatly appreciate and respect the warm and sincere appreciation of our efforts by the fans of Team G Cross Honda, which was obvious at every race we attended."
Statement from 23 Degrees Sports Management CEO Martin Whiteley:
"Team G Cross Honda has been a very important part of the international race scene over the past 4 years, and the successes have been well documented. However, I think the greatest success of the project has been the way in which it has asked the participants (riders, fans, media, sponsors) to look at our sport in a different light, and to think outside the box when it comes to race technology and the approach to racing. As a company we are indeed indebted to the Honda Racing Corporation for having the confidence in our abilities to carry out their objectives, but we are also extremely appreciative of the co-sponsors that joined in with our efforts, namely Alpinestars, Maxxis, Showa, Formula, Mavic, Funn, SDG, SRAM, Motorex, Sapim, PowerBar, Chris King and ODI.
I also want to pay a particular tribute to the talented riders and staff who have formed part of the World Team since 2004, namely riders Greg Minnaar, Matti Lehikoinen, Brendan Fairclough and Cyrille Kurtz, as well as mechanics Mike Van Zyl, Mark Maurissen and Adam Bonney, Road Manager Paul Schlitz and Photographer Gary Perkin. Their contributions have been invaluable."
http://www.23degrees-sports.com
"First of all, we want to express our gratitude to Team Director Martin Whiteley, riders Greg Minnaar, Matti Lehikoinen, Brendan Fairclough, and Cyrille Kurtz, and the talented technical staff of 23 Degrees for their complete understanding and cooperation to the challenge; realising a completely new and world class race category for Honda.
As a motorcycle manufacturer, we had achieved the approach of this challenge by applying our technology which has been cultivated by our motorcycle development, and getting some feedback to our motorcycle technology is one of the purposes of our entry into the downhill mountain bike racing activity. The original "RN01" technology for example, frame and suspension, was designed utilizing off road motorcycle technology, including a very special centrally mounted gearbox that is able to change shift at any time; these were improved repeatedly, and were completed as we expected and hoped it would when we started this project back in 2000. The correctness of direction, and our approach, has been validated by the fact that we have been the number one international team for the past 2 years, and proven by the race results including acquisition of the NORBA title (2004) and UCI World Cup title (2005).
Again, we wish to express our gratitude to all team members and persons related to this project, and want all members of the team to continue aiming at success in all the challenges that lay before them. We deeply appreciate the cooperation and warm guidance we received as a company from both the race scene and the bicycle industry, allowing us to learn a lot over these years, and of course, we greatly appreciate and respect the warm and sincere appreciation of our efforts by the fans of Team G Cross Honda, which was obvious at every race we attended."
Statement from 23 Degrees Sports Management CEO Martin Whiteley:
"Team G Cross Honda has been a very important part of the international race scene over the past 4 years, and the successes have been well documented. However, I think the greatest success of the project has been the way in which it has asked the participants (riders, fans, media, sponsors) to look at our sport in a different light, and to think outside the box when it comes to race technology and the approach to racing. As a company we are indeed indebted to the Honda Racing Corporation for having the confidence in our abilities to carry out their objectives, but we are also extremely appreciative of the co-sponsors that joined in with our efforts, namely Alpinestars, Maxxis, Showa, Formula, Mavic, Funn, SDG, SRAM, Motorex, Sapim, PowerBar, Chris King and ODI.
I also want to pay a particular tribute to the talented riders and staff who have formed part of the World Team since 2004, namely riders Greg Minnaar, Matti Lehikoinen, Brendan Fairclough and Cyrille Kurtz, as well as mechanics Mike Van Zyl, Mark Maurissen and Adam Bonney, Road Manager Paul Schlitz and Photographer Gary Perkin. Their contributions have been invaluable."
http://www.23degrees-sports.com
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Sad news.
I'm in denial, so I have to point out the fact that they never said they won't make a production RN01, or that no team can ever ride Honda bikes again, or that they'll break the mold completely. They only said that they're ending Team G-Cross. I refuse to believe that they're leaving mountain biking for good, even though that's what was implied. Maybe it'll just be like Orange bikes, they've had so many manifestations of their world class team, like Global Orange, Animal Orange, Mojo Orange and several independant Orange racers, like Peat, Beaumont, Fairclough, T. Hannah, etc. Maybe this just means that in '08 someon'll have to start a team Honda H-Cross, that'll be even bigger and better, like the legendary Global Orange team took over from the late Animal Orange team. Yeah...yeah, that's what'll happen! Why is it that Greg is so consistent and amazing, and has won a major world title with every team he's been on in the past 7 years, and yet every team he touches dies? Global, Haro Lee Dungarees, Honda G-Cross. World Cup, World Championship, World Cup. Dead, dead, dead. And yes, I agree with depthcharge below, Honda used us and left us. They didn't hurt us much (healthy competition for the other bike manufacturers), but I think everyone can agree that they didn't do it for us. The multimillion dollar corporation was only thinking of itsself, and any contributions they made to our sport (supporting Greg, Matti and the team, inspiring us, spreading awareness of our sport) were only unavoidable side effects.
Ya its pretty crazy to read this news. It was great to have a full on "moto style" company in the game, but its back to bikes I guess for all involved. Best of luck to Brendan and Greg with their rides for 2008.
I'm just guessing, but I would think he may try one of the other companies that are highly into the G-Boxx game! Maybe NICOLAI?
nahh nicolai uses grip shift, i doubt he will switch to them. Honda had their bike made good, they didnt even need to use gripshift, every other gearbox bike except honda has gripshifts so it kinda sucks..
Not quite 'every other'. I rode a Solid last week, Nexus hub, standard rapidfire shifter. Diamond Back Sabbath uses a stock Sram shifter too. There's a few out there...
Not sure how this will affect things but I dont think it will be a step backwards for MTB, It was good to have a multimilion dollar international corporation taking an interest in what we do, but no matter what happend they will always be driven by money. Are sport needs more teams like Santa Cruz, Orange and Iron Horse who have been built on passion and a will to win, not to promote products that they have for sale.
Goodluck to Brendan Fairclough, hopfully this wont be a big setback for him in his career, no doubt that we'll see 'big air' rippin it next season.
Goodluck to Brendan Fairclough, hopfully this wont be a big setback for him in his career, no doubt that we'll see 'big air' rippin it next season.
mmmm although you are right with what you are saying, you have to remember that honda is always taking interest in racing in general. it might be a strategy to increase thier sales, but never mind their drive behind it, they are the business when they are at it, you can't denied that on the technical side the G-cross is amazing.
They never made any commercially available bikes and to me that should be a stipulation in the rules about what bikes are allowed to enter a DH world Championship - as such I don't think Honda really put anything back into the sport. Basically it's a big Bye Bye and thanks for nothing.
So when a big, well known brand such as Honda comes in, its not a bargaining tool with sponsors? The very fact they took part is good, and they've taken nothing from the sport, so I dont see why they couldnt?
Ya, I disagree with this statement. So what if they never made commercially available bikes. From what I understand (I could be wrong, I'm no expert here), many of the pro racers frames are not the same as the production models, for example, I heard Sam Hill's bike uses thinner tubing than the production model, in order to loose some weight. So, if racers aren't actually racing on production frames, what does it matter if a company in the sport is producing production frames?
I think I agree depthcharge....they're sorta saying "well thanks for the R+D info and a place to hang up some marketing schwag, but we're done...so bollocks to you, oh yeah and thanx to those nice fellers what rode the bikes."
The UCI rules on bikes are intentionally lax to encourage innovation in a young and progressive sport. Placing rally like homolgation rules on the kit will choke development. What about the one man band looking to launch a new frame. Can he not race it? What about next years prototype from 'insert bike bike company here'. Sorry, can't race it, you've not sold 300 yet. Not going to wash...
In the meantime the nice fellers on the bikes cut a healthy deal, make some coin and had the ride of their lives. Honda took out some nifty ads in the UK national press that raised the profile of the sport and their pits had hoards of kids rocking up to the nationals to see the big stars.
In the meantime the nice fellers on the bikes cut a healthy deal, make some coin and had the ride of their lives. Honda took out some nifty ads in the UK national press that raised the profile of the sport and their pits had hoards of kids rocking up to the nationals to see the big stars.
You don't have to sell product in an industry to affect it. thats the first point. Boosting technology and making people think outside the box is point two. Hondas gain, is, an industry with newly opened eyes seeing their name, while advancing their tech too?
Thats putting in a lot. Sorry if you dont get it - but the people who do understand, are the target audience... not target market (yet).
Thats putting in a lot. Sorry if you dont get it - but the people who do understand, are the target audience... not target market (yet).
You cant argue that honda havent made a difference!!! Did anyone ever make a cast frame for a bike before honda?
I get it - I guess I just don't see it from your point of view. They got cheap coverage for a few years - drummed up plenty of interest, and then promptly left once they achieved their goal. But what is their legacy in the sport of MTB? A massive company with an almost bottomless pit of cash came in for a few years and raced a top-secret bike that nobody but the members of their team could ride - I don't know what they actually achieved apart from showing us that with unlimited resources you can build a very fast bike - Woo hoo - well I didn't buy into that experiment and I don't think it did the sport any good at all. There are bicycle manufacturers out there who scrape by and keep this sport progressing - they are the ones that add to the sport, and struggle to keep this sport alive. They are the ones who deserve our respect - as for Honda - I could nopt care less.
You're totally right depthcharge. I cant believe everyone's crying about this, Honda are an amazing company and it sucks for the team but other than that, what difference does it make to us? We wont see honda bikes on the world cup circuit. Boo f*cking hoo.
X -actly, they've done nothing to really grow the technology in DH biking..but they've taken a bunch of info bake to their moto program.
no no no. i'm not crying about it. I am trying to explain that not every company needs to sell 40,000 bikes in order to make an impact. And I'm not saying a bottomless pit of money will build the best bikes available. Its like a hobby for some bigger companies. they expressed that they had no intent of selling or pushing product. They just wanted an exercise in efficiency and technology in an area where a) they could develop and b) it was not already prevalent.
true that most progression happens in basements and garages and by people who push their own products... but why not see whats possible from the other side?
When honda stepped into the scene, framebuilders everywhere took note. Not because they wanted to steal the ideas.. not because they were afraid honda would shut them down... but for the same reason that you see concept cars. concept cars made by big companies are for showing progression, future technology, and drumming up interest. But remember that a lot of concept cars are nothing more than artists renderings - how many of you have drawn bikes that dont exist? its not about advancing design, its about doing what you like.
If your resources allow you to expand upon that, you do. I know. I can, and I have.
So Honda, being from the same neck of the world as oh, say, shimano, they probably like bikes too. And since this industry steals from the motocross sect, then... you see?
I guess, if you view it as a too-new too-young generation, you'll say they sucked for being private about everything and what. But that just means you missed the fire honda lit in magazines and cyclists - I remember magazines filled with ideas about how that internal drivetrain worked, because no one saw in.
DOnt you see? you dont need to explain technology to understand it. you dont need to know how to create it in order for it to be created. you need to spark the minds of those who will make it into something useable.
Think of all the gearbox bikes that exploded onto the scene shortly after the honda bike.
Or, think about who they got to ride. Chances are that half of the pro riders could be on any bike and be as fast as they are on any other bike.
Maybe honda was a placebo effect:
"Oh we have this new drivetrain that makes you faster... see?"
"can we see inside?"
"NO!!!"
"Ok, damn, time to make my own."
thats how technology and progression happen in the real world.
Honda did a lot for the sport. But not to the casual rider. not yet. and that was their point. and that is my point. you're not about to get a crazy frame from anyone like honda anytime soon.
but you might see more gearbox stuff. or maybe more specific tuning. or maybe lighter chassis. or whatever.
so. thats about it.
true that most progression happens in basements and garages and by people who push their own products... but why not see whats possible from the other side?
When honda stepped into the scene, framebuilders everywhere took note. Not because they wanted to steal the ideas.. not because they were afraid honda would shut them down... but for the same reason that you see concept cars. concept cars made by big companies are for showing progression, future technology, and drumming up interest. But remember that a lot of concept cars are nothing more than artists renderings - how many of you have drawn bikes that dont exist? its not about advancing design, its about doing what you like.
If your resources allow you to expand upon that, you do. I know. I can, and I have.
So Honda, being from the same neck of the world as oh, say, shimano, they probably like bikes too. And since this industry steals from the motocross sect, then... you see?
I guess, if you view it as a too-new too-young generation, you'll say they sucked for being private about everything and what. But that just means you missed the fire honda lit in magazines and cyclists - I remember magazines filled with ideas about how that internal drivetrain worked, because no one saw in.
DOnt you see? you dont need to explain technology to understand it. you dont need to know how to create it in order for it to be created. you need to spark the minds of those who will make it into something useable.
Think of all the gearbox bikes that exploded onto the scene shortly after the honda bike.
Or, think about who they got to ride. Chances are that half of the pro riders could be on any bike and be as fast as they are on any other bike.
Maybe honda was a placebo effect:
"Oh we have this new drivetrain that makes you faster... see?"
"can we see inside?"
"NO!!!"
"Ok, damn, time to make my own."
thats how technology and progression happen in the real world.
Honda did a lot for the sport. But not to the casual rider. not yet. and that was their point. and that is my point. you're not about to get a crazy frame from anyone like honda anytime soon.
but you might see more gearbox stuff. or maybe more specific tuning. or maybe lighter chassis. or whatever.
so. thats about it.
Not my friend,(on the last point) check out Empire Cycles, or RideOn bike shop.
Empire cycles are the only company other than honda to make a cast frame from a mould rather than weld aload of tubes together. It does look just like the honda. They are going into production now and will be available any time soon. Type "Empire" into the search on the pictures, i think theres 1 picture in there somewhere.
Empire cycles are the only company other than honda to make a cast frame from a mould rather than weld aload of tubes together. It does look just like the honda. They are going into production now and will be available any time soon. Type "Empire" into the search on the pictures, i think theres 1 picture in there somewhere.
Did anyone make a cast bike before Honda?
Yup. Google for Kirk Magensium. Cast Magnesium frames on the market about 16 years ago!
http://www.kirk-bicycles.co.uk/Kirk.htm
http://www.firstflightbikes.com/KirkPrecision.html
Yup. Google for Kirk Magensium. Cast Magnesium frames on the market about 16 years ago!
http://www.kirk-bicycles.co.uk/Kirk.htm
http://www.firstflightbikes.com/KirkPrecision.html
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thats a shame, fairclough left ORANGE to move to honda, then they discontinue their team anyway!
It will be a shame not to see the silver machines running the UCI next season! Oh well.....
It will be a shame not to see the silver machines running the UCI next season! Oh well.....
greg and brendon will have no trouble finding new teams cos there bloody fast but its still a shame hondas gone they did help open more eyse to the idea of a gearbox
What about Lehikoinen? - hes bloody fast in all lol
Bt props to honda for even trying to get into making bikes, and what a job they've done, bt at the end of the day thr a world famous MOTOR bike company
Bt props to honda for even trying to get into making bikes, and what a job they've done, bt at the end of the day thr a world famous MOTOR bike company
this is another Concorde moment, a step back in tecnology. VERY sad news. Wouldnt mind seeing Brendon with the syndicate team!
from what i have heard the millyard racing bike could be even more impressive than the honda...hopefully companies will keep pushing technology.
its bad how only this summer there was a RN01 production bike coming out and now this, No more G cross team. How has it gone from one extreme to another?
Brendan will get on Santa Cruz, he's family there already. And Greg, he should start his on line of Minaar Bikes- I'll buy one.
no one has mentioned matti he was a as good as greg if not a better rider, Matti must be dealing with it the worse from him just breaking his back to him loosing his team. I hope to see matti and the rest of the other team in a team such as nicolai ^ ,
Q bikes, Turner or 2 stage
Q bikes, Turner or 2 stage
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Nicolai will be the only one team to ride with a gearbox!? Could be nice to see an other motorbike company in the mtb, Ducati could be really cool!
a lot of prople dont know this but Honda was not the only MOTO bike company in MTB. Even though they dont have a UCI race team, KTM makes some sweet looking DH bikes.
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i am truly gutted, minnar is my hero. whats going to happen to ther rn01s? they being sold off or?? where will greg go?
can say it was the last thing I expected...I'll miss the view of that weird Honda bikes but what will the riders do is important now
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You guys keep arguing whether this bike is ugly or not and you miss the entire point of this bike. Do think the pioneers of mountain biking back in the 70's were worried about how their bikes looked, no of course not. The bikes that they rode looked like ass. All they were worried about was trying to start a great new sport with innovation and creativity. Honda and many other biking manufactures are trying to advance our sport by bringing in new designs and innovations for the bikers of today and of the future. So when all I hear is a bunch of girls bickering about the aesthetic appearance of the Honda bike, I can't help to think that you are all missing the point entirely.
There haven't been anyone complaining about the aesthetics of the Honda RN01, have there? It's a shame to see Honda pulling out of the industry though. But you guys all sound like you have been misused and cheated on by some big evil corporate industry. This has been fact for long, that Honda were in the DH-scene to evolve their MX-bikes. And they have done a lot for the biking industry, they've pushed the technology further, introduced electric equipment, and forced their competitors to up their game.
And they did not do it for money, how were they suppose to do that? I mean, running a WC-DH-team isn't really something you can make a living out of.
And they did not do it for money, how were they suppose to do that? I mean, running a WC-DH-team isn't really something you can make a living out of.
what will happen to the bikes?....how many where built?
and i also think that Morewood should make a deal whit Minaar.
Great rider , same country of origin , and Morewood have a pretty large racing program.
and i also think that Morewood should make a deal whit Minaar.
Great rider , same country of origin , and Morewood have a pretty large racing program.
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who gets to keep the bike?! these guys are smokin fast and will get sponsors before they wake up next week.
Thing is 23 degree sports ran the team not Honda, I can see Martin from 23 degree's picking up another bike sponsor and keeping both Greg and Brendon. Matti must of known this was happening hence his move to Intense so something will be in the pipeline for greg and brendon. You wouldn't leave two of the best riders without a bike sponsor would you? Maybe GT are picking them up and couldn't afford Lopes as well!!
It's such a good news to me. These bicycles were ugly. Mountainbiking has nothing to do with motorcycling. No noise, no pollution. You can blame me for what I say, but if they were giving a f*ck about mountainbiking, they wouldn't leave this way. This is like they were doing experiment for their future hybrid piece of shit, we don't need them at all.
damn man, that honda was a beast of a bike, brandan and greg must be gutted to get on to the best team in the world, for it to be shut down. oh well life goes on
Yea thats right Greg is from were morewood is made P.E. This sucks big time for me always followed every move of the Honda team. Greg is stil the rider that i look up to.
was honda the bike that invented the gearbox? cuz think about it if they were then they have only given bikes more technology,tons of bikes with gearboxes....or somesort of technology that is on other bikes,so its not thanks for nothing when they only advance bikes.it was only a test anyway,and they got what they wanted i guess.
no! if we can say that a gearbox, Gt did one before! I think also that nicolai and b1 has developed a gearbox before.
Companies like gt, bcd... made their first gearbox prototype in 1997. For nicolai i'm not sure that they made it before.
maybe nicoli has had a gear box longer,but gt's gearbox bike just came out now....and bcd is something ive never herd of... and ellsworth has one too but im sure its not from before 2000.
ok u guys win.... but then it just shows its just the rider rite! that im serious about but honda is the same as any othewr bike no different technology.thats y its like 75 000 for one of these it said in a magazine IF they were ever available.
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this sucks obviously,we'll all miss them alien like frames....hope ironhorse picks up minaar...hill and minaar,imagine that....
arg....what a sad news! then what with the RN01 frame kit they going to release?! hope they keep up with the production.
wondering who will come next.....yamaha racing? haha!
wondering who will come next.....yamaha racing? haha!
as nonocensored said... that would be quit the 1-2 punch! kinda like rennie and peat but even better.
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no im think GT because they have just sacked brain lopes and bryn atkinson so they will be looking to pick up some riders but they will have to find some money from somewere.
im sad to see em go,but i think its because they have came with this all conquering bike,and not conquered all! we all know the riders are worlds class,thats not the issue, but when you consider the money honda have invested in their bike,then the likes of Hill,Peat,etc beat them on their 'normal' bikes! i think this is why thy have stepped out,dont get me wrong i think the honda bikes are awesome,including all the hype.
This is just my view,im sure its a load of crap,but i know im right! Good luck to all involved.
This is just my view,im sure its a load of crap,but i know im right! Good luck to all involved.
I think what you're saying is that (although Greg is/was an amazing rider) the rest of the team wouldnt be fit to grease the chain of the likes of hill, peat, barrel. And I agree. Changing gear at any time is hardly a HUGE leap forward anyway. How much time can it save. For a pro, none I'd say.
lescart, the bikes that peat and hill use on the wc circuit are not 'normal' bikes that you can purchase off the shelf. The Iron Horse uses lighter materials such as a higher grade ali, which would be to expensive to mass produce. Because of this the tubes are slightly smaller but more dense, all the little tweaks go along way to making a more competative bike.
Its 23 degrees sport that manages the team not honda. Honda have just pulled out, they havent said that there wont be a team next year. They might carry on racing the bikes that they have, there just wont be any new development or money.
Its 23 degrees sport that manages the team not honda. Honda have just pulled out, they havent said that there wont be a team next year. They might carry on racing the bikes that they have, there just wont be any new development or money.
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Now the HONDA IRON HORSE TEAM (USA) retire from the NORBA end USA national champ too!!
Maybe the HONDA Motors must be whithout money...poor Japaneses!
Maybe the HONDA Motors must be whithout money...poor Japaneses!
would there be a chance that another mountain bike company could by the rights to use the honda gearbox on one of their bikes??? like norco did with specialized's suspension system a few years back???
it was a buch of riders within the cooperation that took the idea of a mtb team to the board, it was meant as an experiment to see what they could do, they said they never had intentions to mass produce a bike and maybe the board just got sick of it or decided it was wasting money because it was never guna produce anything to make their money back. just an idea
so basically honda have got the information they need for ther moto team an no longer need minaar an co. thats what i read from this
knoxx make gr8 gearbox machine minaar should try them
knoxx make gr8 gearbox machine minaar should try them
Nicolai use to use grips hift but this year if I'm not mistaken have devoloped Triggers for there own G-BOX. So you never no, Minnaar might be racing for them, Nicolai have got such excluisve bikes
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Let's see a great South African rider on a great South African bike. Minnaar for Morewood - they come from the same place and want to do the same thing - ~WIN. FAST.
are all of u on crack, minnaar is not going to ride a f*cking nicolai. they can't support him. looks like matti got a new deal at the right time(intense) to spite getting broken. and greg doesn't need a gear box to do well. if u remember he did with the champs on a damn haro. and didn't do to shabby on and orange either (duh)
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im disapointed, i was just think about that bike and what happend to it, now i realized its been gone almost one year later to the day man
it was an intence bike, i dont see why they didnt put it into production and make money off it, but you got to do what you got to do
and i guess the riders like minnard have moved on to bigger better things the the santa cruz team
it was an intence bike, i dont see why they didnt put it into production and make money off it, but you got to do what you got to do
and i guess the riders like minnard have moved on to bigger better things the the santa cruz team
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