Karpiel Holeshot - First Look!

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beaterhard (Jan 28, 2010 at 12:40)

You guys are complete idiots. It is a "ultimate hardtail racing bike" not a dirt jumper or a street frame. Not one place in this article did I read anything to do with dirt jumping. I don't see why people are making a big deal out of the verticle drop out's. the frame was made to run with a derailleur. I don't see any pros running SS for 4X or DS.

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clapforcanadaa (Jan 28, 2010 at 12:51)

Meow. Why don't you simmer down there a tad, not everyone thinks the same way as you.

You do know you don't have to run it SS if you have horizontal dropouts right?

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plmbrman (Jan 28, 2010 at 13:22)

i can't think of one designated four cross frame that has horizontal dropouts. this is a race machine. why would someone risk not finishing a race because the bolts holding their hub in a horizontal dropout slipped?? they wouldn't. that's why racers use vertical dropouts. this frame looks like its designed for one purpose, racing. why compromise it's primary feature so someone can run it singlespeed?? not all bikes made ned to be designed for every application. if you want horizontal dropouts get something else, there are a bunch of frames out there that have horizontal dropouts.

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clapforcanadaa (Jan 28, 2010 at 15:42)

That's great. All I'm saying is that it might make more sense to sell it. with interchangeable dropouts to make the bike appeal to a,larger market. Company doesn't have the best rep for being lightweight so I don't think its that smart to limit the bike to just 4x. What makes this bike better than a yeti or a banshee? Can't wait to see there geo as they royally messed the geo on their dh sled...

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hardtaildh08 (Jan 28, 2010 at 11:58)

looks nice but nothing too special just a standard trail/dj frame

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bigburd (Jan 28, 2010 at 12:04)

pretty much what i thought

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hardtaildh08 (Jan 28, 2010 at 12:14)

looking a tad like the 07-08 scott voltages apart from rear triangle

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iamamodel (Jan 28, 2010 at 18:45)

'Holeshot'? Obviously it makes sense for a 4X bike, but I can think of two reasons to change the name:

1. Its already been used.

2. Karpiel makes the Armaggedon and the Apocalypse. Jan should stick with the end-of-the-world theme. Examples:

'Destruction' (you destroy the competition)
'Doomsday' (for everyone else in the gate)
'Four Horse' (play on both four cross and also the Four Forsemen of the Apocalypse)

Any others?

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armyof1 (Jan 28, 2010 at 19:52)

who made a bike called a holeshot?

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iamamodel (Jan 28, 2010 at 21:49)

armyof1, scroll up just one little comment to see...

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jonnydh (Jan 28, 2010 at 13:17)

Horizontal dropouts also require more metal since the axle needs to be supported in a range of positions. And if you are going to be wrenching constantly on a race bike that will always have a derailleur, it would make life a fair bit easier if it had vertical dropouts and not have to worry about getting everything all lined up.

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tbird7 (Jan 28, 2010 at 12:01)

ya its sick but i think that gusset from the head tube to the bottom tube should be one solid peice like the banshee amp. but other then that im likin it minus the verticle drop outs

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wiewiorfr (Jan 30, 2010 at 1:40)

rurki wyglądają jak w prototypowym pitbullu z 2007 szczególnie te wypuklenia w okolicy suportu i sztycy, tylny trójkąt wygląda jak z klasycznego pitbulla a górny trójkąt jak z amstafa tylko z logiem "K" , można powiedzieć ze podstawowa rama pitbulla została poddana tuningowi karpiela i tak wygląda koncepcja wg mnie.

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starcbiker (Jan 28, 2010 at 16:52)

hmm that weld on chain-stay doesn't look right to me.. i've only taken two years of welding but that bead looks like when you run too hot... can anyone with more experience confirm or deny this?

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chazza (Jan 28, 2010 at 12:01)

think i mite give that 1 a miss........

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bruc321 (Jan 28, 2010 at 12:31)

looks really nice, nothing spectacular though, price anyone ?

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clarksonridesMTB4ever (Jan 28, 2010 at 21:39)

i like it except 4 that little gusset at the headtube makes it look a bit shit but evrything else look sweet, good job

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rmackey (Jan 28, 2010 at 18:41)

uh, Brodie already has a bike named Holeshot...

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whistlerrider20 (Feb 1, 2010 at 12:11)

Exactly.

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magic99 (Jan 29, 2010 at 14:57)

nie, to inną Polską markę spawają w mielcu, Karpiele spawa Jan Karpiel i nikt inny.

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double (Jan 30, 2010 at 19:02)

Those headtube welds are scary..

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ritchierich (Jan 28, 2010 at 12:08)

Is there a brodie holeshot?

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nimajneb (Jan 28, 2010 at 12:13)

Yes Yes there is.

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mhopper (Jan 28, 2010 at 12:20)

and a Dialled Holeshot Rolleyes

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bigbun65 (Jan 28, 2010 at 14:17)

The Brodie Holeshot has been around since early 2000's. www.brodiebikes.com/2010/archive/bike.php?model=holeshot&year=03
I think they should respect a brand like Brodie enough to change the name.

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spaced (Jan 28, 2010 at 16:30)

I know it's a karpiel omgwtfbbq! but seriously it's ugly. I'd rather get a charge,commencal ti, foes 4x or banshee amp.

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andrewdobias222 (Jan 28, 2010 at 17:39)

ya the weld doesnt look right. and its probally a tank bike

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DunCon-Bikes (Jan 29, 2010 at 5:07)

Frame weight: 2100g

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riggadon (Jan 30, 2010 at 20:46)

nothing special, just another DJ/4X frame

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hubas (Jan 29, 2010 at 13:06)

wygląda ładnie chyba mielec

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drinkmilk54 Plus (Jan 28, 2010 at 23:27)

those welds aren't too good...

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DH-Til-I-Die (Jan 29, 2010 at 4:01)

"The frame is currently in the testing phase, so the final product may differ slightly to the model this shown in this photograph."

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stusuz (Jan 28, 2010 at 23:15)

Can you get it unpainted like this? Raw Aluminium looks damn fine.

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armyof1 (Jan 28, 2010 at 19:58)

my bad, Brodie & mcs & Dialled Bikes. & now karpiel

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Peteburrell (Jan 28, 2010 at 13:33)

replaceable derailleur hanger would be good i think?

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faceplantfeind (Jan 28, 2010 at 14:15)

yea and iscg mounts (i cant see any at least)

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EthanKnott (Jan 28, 2010 at 15:24)

it looks like theres one tab on the bottom bracket to the right more or less. but i wonder why just put one tab instead of 3?

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mongoosemaniac (Jan 28, 2010 at 15:22)

dont ride 4x but damn those are nice.

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kukker (Jan 28, 2010 at 12:22)

Niceeee, the Karpiel favorite(Y)

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sashamtbrider (Jan 28, 2010 at 12:05)

paint it in different color(s)....use imagination!)))))))

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LukeMc123 (Jan 28, 2010 at 11:58)

Looks nice

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tac1593 (Jan 28, 2010 at 12:40)

thats an origanal name isnt it.

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racheluk (Jan 28, 2010 at 12:31)

It's a little plain jane.

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dhb7 (Jan 28, 2010 at 11:58)

yesss!

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Jordy-Clarky (Jan 28, 2010 at 12:05)

sxc beast

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keithwest (Jan 28, 2010 at 12:12) (Below Threshold) show comment

It's a nice frame and everything but, Why would they use a vertical dropout?

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Unhallowed (Jan 28, 2010 at 12:13)

Because it's a 4x bike.

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DH-Til-I-Die (Jan 28, 2010 at 12:15)

lol Yeh BOY! I Was going to by a Yeti DJ , now this is in my eyes , any ideas on price?

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clapforcanadaa (Jan 28, 2010 at 12:17)

They could have just use horizontal dropouts with a hanger. Or interchangeable dropouts. Like most smart companies do.

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brooce (Jan 28, 2010 at 12:20)

Seems to be nice, but any additional info...? Weight? Geometry? Price?

Why do you need horizontal dropouts in a 4x racing frame?

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clapforcanadaa (Jan 28, 2010 at 12:30)

Why not? Adjustable geo run it SS if you want.

Question is why would you run it with vertical dropouts if it can be done the same with horizontal?

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DH-Til-I-Die (Jan 28, 2010 at 12:42)

But 4X bikes mostly run rear gears , SS isnt good for 4X anyway , or you'd seen the pro running SS

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Unhallowed (Jan 28, 2010 at 12:42)

Vertical is often simpler to make and use in my experience. You have zero worries about a sideways wheel, you don't have to have funky sliding brake mounts to allow correct brake alignment, and you can still easily run SS with the use of a rear tensioner or a chainguide roller.

These are just possible ideas, I'm not in the know about Karpiels prototype design details. Razz

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clapforcanadaa (Jan 28, 2010 at 12:48)

Yeah vertical does seem a bit better for sideways wheels, but I find just running a bolt on rear hub eliminates that opinion. I just like the fact you can adjust your wheelbase with horizontal dropouts. This is all IMO though. I just thought having interchangeable dropouts would have been a much better choice. They have to set themselves aside from every other company if they want these to sell. Right now it seems really mainstream and nothing sets it apart.

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Unhallowed (Jan 28, 2010 at 12:52)

This is true. I would personally love the option of running a 10mm bolt, or a 12mm bolt, etc. Granted, this IS a prototype so perhaps in the final production they will make some changes. Feedback such as this is part of the reason of releasing information on prototypes to the public.

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3lfd3wd (Jan 28, 2010 at 15:20)

4X frame, isn't weight a major concern? After you've put on horizontal dropouts, a sliding adjustment system, and the extra material for the system, it's gonna be quite a bit heavier...

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demoflight (Jan 28, 2010 at 16:10)

and isnt round tubing stronger than square as well as lighter? unless there's some hokey shit on the inside

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tstep3 (Jan 28, 2010 at 16:13)

yea i personally dont really like having horizontal drop outs just because i hav a deraileur and when u land a little sideways it gets messed up and skips but its all opinion i guess. the frame looks nice tho, cant wait to see one built up and does anyone kno the weight?

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DH-Til-I-Die (Jan 28, 2010 at 16:13)

Idk depends really on geo I think I reckon frame will be around 700 pounds

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sashamtbrider (Jan 28, 2010 at 20:52)

Hey check out mine idea)))))) http://www.pinkbike.com/photo/4528445

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JBizzle (Jan 28, 2010 at 14:53)

FACEPALM

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Caiokv (Jan 28, 2010 at 18:18)

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mr-eric (Jan 28, 2010 at 11:58)

sweet

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Identiti-bikes (Jan 28, 2010 at 12:00)

looks rad

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nschip (Jan 28, 2010 at 12:07)

looks nice except for the drop outs

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macrainbow (Jan 29, 2010 at 10:35)

o polskie ramy

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NorCalNomad (Jan 28, 2010 at 13:09)

Weight???????

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DynamicQ (Jan 28, 2010 at 13:16)

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johnyredbull (Jan 28, 2010 at 12:28)

nice machining work

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adidasss (Jan 28, 2010 at 13:18)

I don't like it

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bikinbeast (Jan 28, 2010 at 14:42)

I'm with this guy. Yuck.

What's up with the ghetto gusset on the headtube?

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DH-Til-I-Die (Jan 28, 2010 at 16:17)

It may look ghetto but at the end of day it's does the job so u don't kiss ur tyre and it's cheaper than hydroforming

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sittingduck (Jan 28, 2010 at 20:33)

Sexy CNC work!

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Karpiel Holeshot - First Look!

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