Karpiel Holeshot - First Look!

Jan 28, 2010 at 11:57
Jan 28, 2010
by Tyler Maine  
 
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Karpiel is proud to introduce the new 4x hardtail frame, Holeshot. Designed to be the ultimate hardtail racing bike, it features precise CNC machined yokes and dropouts, 6061 hydroformed tubing and the indestructible fork-tongue head tube gussets designed exclusively by Jan Karpiel.

Pics inside,

The frame is currently in the testing phase, so the final product may differ slightly to the model this shown in this photograph. Technical details and price range will be released in the Spring of 2010.






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73 Comments

  • + 7
 You guys are complete idiots. It is a "ultimate hardtail racing bike" not a dirt jumper or a street frame. Not one place in this article did I read anything to do with dirt jumping. I don't see why people are making a big deal out of the verticle drop out's. the frame was made to run with a derailleur. I don't see any pros running SS for 4X or DS.
  • - 2
 Meow. Why don't you simmer down there a tad, not everyone thinks the same way as you.

You do know you don't have to run it SS if you have horizontal dropouts right?
  • + 3
 i can't think of one designated four cross frame that has horizontal dropouts. this is a race machine. why would someone risk not finishing a race because the bolts holding their hub in a horizontal dropout slipped?? they wouldn't. that's why racers use vertical dropouts. this frame looks like its designed for one purpose, racing. why compromise it's primary feature so someone can run it singlespeed?? not all bikes made ned to be designed for every application. if you want horizontal dropouts get something else, there are a bunch of frames out there that have horizontal dropouts.
  • - 1
 That's great. All I'm saying is that it might make more sense to sell it. with interchangeable dropouts to make the bike appeal to a,larger market. Company doesn't have the best rep for being lightweight so I don't think its that smart to limit the bike to just 4x. What makes this bike better than a yeti or a banshee? Can't wait to see there geo as they royally messed the geo on their dh sled...
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  • + 8
 looks nice but nothing too special just a standard trail/dj frame
  • + 8
 pretty much what i thought
  • + 0
 looking a tad like the 07-08 scott voltages apart from rear triangle
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  • + 4
 'Holeshot'? Obviously it makes sense for a 4X bike, but I can think of two reasons to change the name:

1. Its already been used.

2. Karpiel makes the Armaggedon and the Apocalypse. Jan should stick with the end-of-the-world theme. Examples:

'Destruction' (you destroy the competition)
'Doomsday' (for everyone else in the gate)
'Four Horse' (play on both four cross and also the Four Forsemen of the Apocalypse)

Any others?
  • + 1
 who made a bike called a holeshot?
  • + 2
 armyof1, scroll up just one little comment to see...
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  • + 4
 Horizontal dropouts also require more metal since the axle needs to be supported in a range of positions. And if you are going to be wrenching constantly on a race bike that will always have a derailleur, it would make life a fair bit easier if it had vertical dropouts and not have to worry about getting everything all lined up.
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  • + 3
 ya its sick but i think that gusset from the head tube to the bottom tube should be one solid peice like the banshee amp. but other then that im likin it minus the verticle drop outs
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  • + 1
 rurki wyglądają jak w prototypowym pitbullu z 2007 szczególnie te wypuklenia w okolicy suportu i sztycy, tylny trójkąt wygląda jak z klasycznego pitbulla a górny trójkąt jak z amstafa tylko z logiem "K" , można powiedzieć ze podstawowa rama pitbulla została poddana tuningowi karpiela i tak wygląda koncepcja wg mnie.
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  • + 1
 hmm that weld on chain-stay doesn't look right to me.. i've only taken two years of welding but that bead looks like when you run too hot... can anyone with more experience confirm or deny this?
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  • + 3
 think i mite give that 1 a miss........
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  • + 3
 looks really nice, nothing spectacular though, price anyone ?
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  • + 1
 i like it except 4 that little gusset at the headtube makes it look a bit shit but evrything else look sweet, good job
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  • + 2
 uh, Brodie already has a bike named Holeshot...
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  • + 1
 nie, to inną Polską markę spawają w mielcu, Karpiele spawa Jan Karpiel i nikt inny.
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  • + 2
 Those headtube welds are scary..
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  • + 2
 Is there a brodie holeshot?
  • + 3
 Yes Yes there is.
  • + 5
 and a Dialled Holeshot Rolleyes
  • + 1
 The Brodie Holeshot has been around since early 2000's. www.brodiebikes.com/2010/archive/bike.php?model=holeshot&year=03
I think they should respect a brand like Brodie enough to change the name.
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  • + 1
 I know it's a karpiel omgwtfbbq! but seriously it's ugly. I'd rather get a charge,commencal ti, foes 4x or banshee amp.
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  • + 1
 ya the weld doesnt look right. and its probally a tank bike
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  • + 2
 Frame weight: 2100g
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  • + 1
 nothing special, just another DJ/4X frame
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  • + 1
 wygląda ładnie chyba mielec
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  • + 1
 those welds aren't too good...
  • + 1
 "The frame is currently in the testing phase, so the final product may differ slightly to the model this shown in this photograph."
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  • + 1
 Can you get it unpainted like this? Raw Aluminium looks damn fine.
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  • + 1
 my bad, Brodie & mcs & Dialled Bikes. & now karpiel
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  • + 1
 replaceable derailleur hanger would be good i think?
  • + 1
 yea and iscg mounts (i cant see any at least)
  • + 1
 it looks like theres one tab on the bottom bracket to the right more or less. but i wonder why just put one tab instead of 3?
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  • + 1
 dont ride 4x but damn those are nice.
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  • + 1
 Niceeee, the Karpiel favorite(Y)
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  • + 1
 paint it in different color(s)....use imagination!)))))))
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  • + 1
 thats an origanal name isnt it.
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  • + 1
 It's a little plain jane.
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  • - 5
 It's a nice frame and everything but, Why would they use a vertical dropout?
  • + 18
 Because it's a 4x bike.
  • + 6
 lol Yeh BOY! I Was going to by a Yeti DJ , now this is in my eyes , any ideas on price?
  • + 17
 They could have just use horizontal dropouts with a hanger. Or interchangeable dropouts. Like most smart companies do.
  • + 0
 Seems to be nice, but any additional info...? Weight? Geometry? Price?

Why do you need horizontal dropouts in a 4x racing frame?
  • + 9
 Why not? Adjustable geo run it SS if you want.

Question is why would you run it with vertical dropouts if it can be done the same with horizontal?
  • + 7
 But 4X bikes mostly run rear gears , SS isnt good for 4X anyway , or you'd seen the pro running SS
  • + 10
 Vertical is often simpler to make and use in my experience. You have zero worries about a sideways wheel, you don't have to have funky sliding brake mounts to allow correct brake alignment, and you can still easily run SS with the use of a rear tensioner or a chainguide roller.

These are just possible ideas, I'm not in the know about Karpiels prototype design details. Razz
  • + 4
 Yeah vertical does seem a bit better for sideways wheels, but I find just running a bolt on rear hub eliminates that opinion. I just like the fact you can adjust your wheelbase with horizontal dropouts. This is all IMO though. I just thought having interchangeable dropouts would have been a much better choice. They have to set themselves aside from every other company if they want these to sell. Right now it seems really mainstream and nothing sets it apart.
  • + 7
 This is true. I would personally love the option of running a 10mm bolt, or a 12mm bolt, etc. Granted, this IS a prototype so perhaps in the final production they will make some changes. Feedback such as this is part of the reason of releasing information on prototypes to the public.
  • + 5
 4X frame, isn't weight a major concern? After you've put on horizontal dropouts, a sliding adjustment system, and the extra material for the system, it's gonna be quite a bit heavier...
  • + 1
 and isnt round tubing stronger than square as well as lighter? unless there's some hokey shit on the inside
  • + 2
 yea i personally dont really like having horizontal drop outs just because i hav a deraileur and when u land a little sideways it gets messed up and skips but its all opinion i guess. the frame looks nice tho, cant wait to see one built up and does anyone kno the weight?
  • + 1
 Idk depends really on geo I think I reckon frame will be around 700 pounds
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  • + 0
 looks nice except for the drop outs
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  • + 1
 nice machining work
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  • + 1
 I don't like it
  • + 3
 I'm with this guy. Yuck.

What's up with the ghetto gusset on the headtube?
  • + 1
 It may look ghetto but at the end of day it's does the job so u don't kiss ur tyre and it's cheaper than hydroforming
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