Snow Show - Les Gets Bike Park to Reopen This Saturday

Dec 23, 2015
by Paul Aston  
Test of my new lens so good

There I am, staring into the abyss that is Facebook with this startling headline staring right at me, 'Mont Chéry to open this week for mountain bikes'. I thought I was seeing things... It is December after all. Perhaps the fresh air down here in New Zealand was affecting my mental state or perhaps this bewildering message had somehow become lost in translation as it made its way to me on the other side of world? Was Facebook lying to me or had I gone in to a coma and woken up in June? Surely not the former at least?

It was 1997 and the construction of the now infamous 'Le Pleney' downhill track, which put Morzine on the map for mountain bikes. Add to that six World Cup downhills to have graced the slopes flanking Les Gets between '96 and '03 and who could forget Peaty's heart stopping crash at the 2004 world championship? All of these elements and more, marked a flying start for the French resorts, but then something happened. A virtual plane crash of sorts because in the last 12 years, there has been minimal investment compared to that of other resorts in Europe and beyond.

For example, in that time Whistler has built an empire and Queenstown, New Zealand - who only opened their gondola for bikes four years ago - is already turning into one, becoming a prime destination covering a breadth of disciplines that aren't seen in any concentration in the Alps. On top of that, other resorts have sprung from nowhere all over the world.

The French season is - on the most part - only a meagre eight weeks long, although some resorts around Grenoble as well as further north have stayed open most of the autumn this season. Similarly the French resorts of Morillon and Samoens have already resorted to allowing bikes on during winter as well, but why not on the iconic slopes of Les Gets? The Pleney telecabine in Morzine, which is just down the road from Les Gets, and a few other lifts may open a few extra weeks and weekends here and there besides the main season, but resorts like Chatel, Morgins and Champéry feel disjointed without the entire Portes du Soleil lift network opening in harmony. The season is too short, and the offseason is too long, which often has better weather than the summertime. Receding snow reveals trail, but only a "no" is heard when winter lift lines are approached upon a mountain bike.

Les Gets, Morzine and the surrounding area have continued to grow thanks to a few key factors: reputation, seasonaires and industry growth. Many riders continue to come to this area based purely on reputation and familiarity, but are often disappointed upon arrival and wish they had spent their hard earned days of respite somewhere with a higher quality of trail, wider variation and a reliable maintenance schedule. The scene of 'seasoning' riders brings a good vibe to any resort town, even if the official riding isn't of the highest quality. Braking bump boredom and a prolonged off-season sees this core group of passionate 'locals' take to the hill armed with mattocks and shovels - I'd take a guess that 95% of the edits you will have seen from Morzine and Les Gets, were on unofficial piste.

The huge growth in the entire industry over the last decade has allowed bike based tourism to grow steadily here as well. Despite the percentage of riding on offer, visitor numbers are decreasing as more people venture elsewhere to find downhill gold and trail bike treats.

I asked some locals and long term friends to chime in with their thoughts on the region. Has it improved, has it failed to keep up with the joneses and grow from its tiny acorn in to the mighty oak it could be?







James McKnight - Catering at Dirt Magazine

I first met James on my second visit to Morzine and he was already seasoned to the area. We quickly became great friends, travelled Europe together on a constant search for fresh trails and competition. James loves these Alpine towns and returns every year. After living there for a couple of years, he's made his way back to the hills of Monmouth for his year round residence.



bigquotesWhen I first visited Les Gets/Morzine a whole world of mountain biking became apparent. I was 14, (maybe a little spoilt) and it was the early days for Alpine, resort-based riding. The place was an age ahead of its time: there were dozens of lifts open to bikes in the larger Portes du Soleil (PDS) area, rideable terrain on every hill and a vibrant and booming summer scene. It became an annual pilgrimage for myself and many British and European riders.

But, in my opinion, the area rested on its laurels in many ways and has been slow to adapt to the changing face of mountain biking. Trail bikes, a growing novice sector and a swathe of European resorts opening with better mapping, maintenance and longer opening dates are issues slow to be addressed by the PDS.

While it's still massively popular and will probably never struggle to get two-wheeled tourism, for those who have lived in and by it, the PDS's apparent lag in embracing the sport's boom and progression has been frustrating at times.

With the current lack of snow - and their opening for bikes at a time of year that would normally pay enough into the system to afford a nonchalance to mountain biking - 2015's poor start to winter could be the reality check the area needed.

Having said all that, Crankworx will be in town for 2016 and that could be a sign that the area has already got serious again and that we are about to witness the rebirth of the Brit's favourite summer riding destination.





Steven Ponting - Les Gets Bike School

Steve was also one of the originals to migrate to this biking heaven. His first business was helmet cam rentals, back when a helmet cam took a few days to set up and a backpack was needed to lug around the full size camcorder that was wired to a lense that was double the size of any of todays all in one units. Since then he has had many jobs, integrated in to French society, is the only Brit to complete the French bike-guide diploma and now is the co-owner of Les Gets Bike School


bigquotesI've been living in Morzine and working in Les Gets for 11 years now - it was only supposed to be for one summer season after I finished Uni!

During this time, the resorts have advanced, but not as quickly or as much as I would have expected or liked. I've been told that the No.1 rule in business is having passion for what you're doing, and it's a lack of passion that's been holding things back, and the unwillingness of resorts to hire people with the passion to make a difference. There is also a lot of politics with the local councils being involved in the running of the resort, but at the same time the land which the resort resides, is owned by countless private individuals.

People love the area, I don't think there is anywhere else in the world that you can cover as much ground going from station to station, valley to valley in a single day using the lifts. There is also such a variety of trails on offer here. From machine built BMX style downhills to hand built local tech. But in general it's still too geared towards hardcore bikers and needs to cater for novices like skiing does. Making it more accessible to families and your average joe.





Jason Marsh - CEO of Marsh Guard and Greg Minnaar's mechanic

Around town rumours suggest that Marshy came here for a week's holiday from New Zealand and never left. It was so long until he visited home again that his Mum came over to work in a chalet as a seasonaire just to see him. The creator of Marsh Guard mudguards and mechanic to Greg Minnaar.



bigquotesI've been coming here since 2000 - back then there were two official tracks in Les Gets. One on Mt Chery and another on the Chavanne side. Morzine had one downhill track and there were no official tracks on Super Morzine. The same in Chatel, just a gravel road to help you on your way to Morgins and Les Croset, which had one track a piece. In total there were eight dedicated mountain bike tracks in the whole PDS area. Pretty special at the time, but most of the riding was down gravel roads and old goat tracks.

Now there are a couple of downhill tracks on Mt Chery and twleve on the Chavannes side, where they have also opened another lift. They've since built a dedicated MTB park in there but the tracks there are very badly built. They have no flow and you need to pedal like f*** to make any of the jumps. They have built a new track on the front side this season and it's not too bad, so things are getting better. Morzine has four mountain bike tracks, one of them brand new for 2015, as well as five new tracks appearing on Super Morzine in the last year. Chatel, Morgins and Champery have more trails and the infamous World Cup track. So as you can see the area has grown a lot since 2001, but sometimes it seems like as many tracks have disappeared as have been built.

Everyone seems to compare things to Whistler and A-Line, but even those tracks have not really changed in several years. Also Whistler is quite flat compared to Les Gets, so the track designs have to be a bit different. Les Gets does not suffer from the lift queues that you get in Whistler. With all the bike park tracks finishing in the same place at busy times its not uncommon to only be able to get 8 lifts in a day, at least in the PDS you can go to the other side of the valley and get on another lift when its busy. Getting in 30 runs in a single day is not uncommon.

I do think they need to re-design some of the tracks in Les Gets, they seem a bit too proud to admit they might have built something that does not ride well and instead of changing things, they tend to stick with them. It's not really a fun place to ride on a DH bike either, but riding shorter travel bikes there can be fun. Hopefully with Crankworx being there this year they will build decent tracks with input from someone else.



Jillian Tindale and Johnathan Turnbull - Riders Refuge

I met Jill and Jono on their first season in Morzine where Mcknight and myself stayed in their chalet for a few weeks. We returned home to the UK, decided we preferred the alpine summer and drove back the following week to live on credit cards for the rest of the season. Jill and Jono were part of more than a few Mutzig fuelled nights on our return. Shortly afterwards the couple decided to make Morzine their home and started their homely feeling Riders Refuge - a catered holiday business. They are still going strong and one of the few chalet company's that have seemed to make it work long term.


bigquotesWe set up Riders Refuge in June 2008 for mountain bike holidays after we spent a summer season here in 2005, having initially come to the Alps to do winter seasons we quickly realised the plus points of living in Morzine where we could make the most of both seasons and run an all year round business. People love Morzine and the Portes Du Soleil, which is great for us as our chalets see a large rate of returning guests each year. Having started with one chalet, we now operate six in the winter and five in the summer.

Our guests in the summer come to ride downhill mostly, but we have seen the trend change over the years to more enduro and trail styles of riding - the resort is now embracing the fact that they need to work harder to manage the trails, improve facilities for mountain bikers and we have seen a huge change in the area in the last eight summers. With a slow start to this winter across the Alps and with the opening of Mont Chery to bikes this weekend, we hope this will encourage the Portes Du Soleil to extend the summer and invest more in the area for biking.





Benjamin Mugnier - Les Gets Tourism Office

To get the official line on what's happening here and the opening of the Mont Chery lift this coming weekend, we approached the Les Gets tourism office for more information on the subject. Benjamin Mugnier is the sales and marketing manager for Les Gets, France, which proudly calls itself a Ski, Golf and Mountain-bike resort. It can only be viewed as a positive that the tourism office is welcoming the potential of mountain biking revenue in to its arms. With Crankworx making the move to Les Gets in June 2016, this can only mean more tracks, more riders and more diversity. The biggest off road cycling event to visit in twelve years, probably the biggest ever, is coming to town...


bigquotesWe wanted to provide an additional activity for the people who will be on holidays in Les Gets as the ski activity is not in full operation at the moment. This will run until we find good ski conditions again on the Mont-Chery side. We will open only a few easy trails (still to be defined which ones) with XC and DH so that people could ski in the morning and MTB in the afternoon.

Just to be clear, this move is intended initially to propose additional activity to the destination, people who cannot ski and we don't talk about a reopening of the full Bikepark for the MTB hardcore riders community. We don't have, for example, the resources to open and secure the black trails.

As far as the other PDS resorts are concerned, I have no information at the moment.





If you think I am ranting, I am, and it certainly isn't without reason. I have been to Morzine every year since 2003, spending the majority of each summer there and even lived there for a continuos five years. I've seen the growth and the change and I have also seen many people, including myself, fall in and out of love with the area. Visiting Whistler in 2011 changed my view and I have spent much less time in these French towns since that summer, and when I have been there, the volume of trail time has been limited. Why did I leave the Alpine dream for Canada? The number one reason was the elongated season across the Atlantic - five and a half months of lift accessed riding. If you hadn't guessed, I'm now in Queenstown. Why I hear you ask? Its summertime down here and the Skyline gondola is open for the best part of nine months. That's nine months! If I suggested a nine month long bike season to the Remontées Méchaniques a defibrillator may be called into service. But this beautiful daydream is just sitting there, waiting...

Everything is in place for the ultimate, long season European bike resort. Maybe this is the beginning? I predict that if one gondola opened year round, the following snowball of trail carving, residing riders and touristic inundation would turn this area in to a contender for the ultimate, year round bike destination, rather than clinging to the last step of the podium as it currently does. If not, I feel, it's set to continue in its fall from grace.

I still have a soft-spot in the back of my hardened heart for the Portes Du Soleil. My childhood was not here, but my biggest personal growth was rooted here. Friendships were bonded and skills solidified. I would love to see it thrive, not just for my benefit, but for the greater good of the sport. If you're in the area, go and vote with your coins and lift tickets, thank the liftees, show them how stoked you are and show your support for bikes by getting up there for a ride.




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  • 82 1
 I've not been to Whistler yet but I think some of this criticism is a bit harsh. I think for the average UK rider who maybe has a family, doesn't ride DH all that often and can't afford to go to Canada for a week, let alone ride a 5 month season there, PDS is still pretty f***ing special!
  • 11 0
 Can't agree with you more here. I went for the first time in August and loved it. Lift access riding is something I so rarely get to do in the UK and even then it's always a tractor or a bus for a 2 minute decent. So when I got across to the Alps it really opened my eyes. Perhaps when I venture across to Queenstown or Whistler my view might change but for someone who wants a week or two away with your mates and some riding, you can't go wrong with PDS.
  • 8 0
 I do live somewhat close to Whistler (near Seattle,) and while I think it's awesome, and I love the occasional weekend when I can manage to get up there, it isn't the end all be all. Ride what you can with your buddies as often as you can. I'd love to ride BDS, the videos look badass.
  • 4 0
 Even someone more DH oriented has more fun in PDS than for example Tignes where the trails are mostly singletracks. I have huge post PDS depression since i missed out this year....
  • 5 1
 The thing is that you don't need to go to Canada, within a couple of hours of the pds are significantly more interesting and rewarding trails with less of the dreaded braking bumps. The pds has fantastic things about it, covering so much ground in a day on lifts is excellent but after 10 years of riding there and then exploring further afield you just don't feel inspired to go back. Try a day trip to Pila next time you're in the area and see what you think.
  • 5 0
 I've been to PDS 10 times since 2003 and can relate to a lot of the criticism. Admitted, the land owners situation etc. is more complex than in North America, but the potential PDS has to be one of THE spots is prime... the track building is often sub par and caters mainly to the pro and fearless. A lot of the outstanding trails/tracks are non-official (read "secret") built by locals and sometimes wind up on the official trail map a few years later only to be ridden (and braked) to death by the heavier load and then under-maintained. OK, the pass is cheap by comparison, but I believe a raise in price would be accepted if the trail management/maintenance were up there. Chatel does do an excellent job and is the highlight of the region, now if the other locations could reach that level...
  • 9 0
 This is total rubbish. There's a large group of us goes out every year. It costs us 600 quid for 2 weeks apart from beer.. Whistler would be triple that. We love the place its a breath of fresh air from the UK bike parks. There's plenty there from my 8 year old to pros. Even a mid forties sport rider can do almost everything apart from the few double blacks like airline. We do not need or want it dummed down but build more proper trails...
  • 1 0
 I tend to agree with the tone of the post in all fairness, having been lucky enough to have had many summers in the alps and always doing it in a "vanlife" style there's so much more and better there than gets and morz in a riding perspective. I'll always call in for a day or two to hit up a few favourites and you can't nock the atmosphere in both villages. Was surprised to here that crankworks was leaving l2a for gets. Only reasoning I could think of was date issues as l2a opens after the date planned for this years European crankworks, Because its defiantly not a decision based on trail quality!
  • 8 0
 @cains08 and @bat-fastard I think you have missed some of the point I was trying to highlight:

Going to Whistler or New Zealand is very difficult for most Europeans, for various reasons. BUT imagine if you could get the same quality and variation anytime between say, May and November, only a couple of hours on the plane from the UK.

The PDS is great as it is, but I feel it could be THE ultimate destination for bike holidays, as well all year-round outdoor sporting location.
  • 4 2
 The improvement from UK tractor uplifts to Les Gets is roughly the same step up in quality of experience as going from riding in Morzine to a few weeks in QT or Whistlerington. The french trails are just kinda badly built, there's not much flow in the design, just misshapen features thrown together. Unfortunatley they aren't really maintained and don't drain well either. You have to go off trail to find decent stuff and that frequently results in you riding into a bog up to your rotors. That guy who says there is machine built BMX style trails in the french alps is hilarious. Wrong on every level, but hilarious.
  • 2 1
 There is 3 new bmx style jump trails. Tutti fruitti, cap canaveral and the new blue beside chavanes mainline. Have rode both on a dirt jumper and dh bike. Flow great, jumps well shaped. Yes they get cut up a bit but your on a mtb not a bmx.
  • 8 1
 CLIMATE CHANGE CAN I GET AN AMEN?!
  • 1 0
 Amen brother lol
  • 2 0
 @paulaston for your all year round riding this is looking good www.facebook.com/EvoBikePark/?fref=ts&ref=br_tf The PDS lifts don't make money during the peak summer, if your looking at extending season the prices are going to have to go up mega. As said it only works when all lifts are open or at least need to link chatel, but morgins is also excellent.. Pleney mainline or as we know it the avalanche run from back in 90's is a pure gem, it is rough as feck, fast and flows like a rollercoaster.. not a smooth groomed bermy twisty crappy thing. We need more of this in my opinion. Hattock was redone this year top of zore lift. Like I said I'm an old sport rider these days, they done a great job on it, the only bit I missed was first road gap as hadn't speed into it to clear, the younger guys with us where doing it easy, again not pro level. They unofficial stuff is the best around, 2014 when it pished all summer it was fun, spikes and wetsuit on and let er slide. The weather can turn cold in October and also can take a long time for snow to melt and drain. At best it would be june to sept inc, this year its clear at lower levels but that's no good to prebook flight and accom.. Hers a thought let bikes on the lift for the snow season too, and build something like the snow race in chatel Smile
  • 4 1
 If they flowed well, you wouldn't have to put massive amounts off pedals in between each jump in order to clear the next. This is the case for the big jumpy run on supermorzine (can't remember the name). BMX jumps flow, and those certainly don't...
  • 1 4
 cap Canaveral, I could clear them on my 43lb garden gate and I don't pedal lol you might need to learn how to rail berms...
  • 3 1
 I know how to corner thank you. It was even said above you have to pedal in order to clear them... Unless you think clearing them is landing in the small downslope in the middle....
  • 1 2
 Well archi If I can do it you at 25years younger should have no problem lol
  • 1 0
 @Rucker10 I also live near to Whistler. Just a ferry ride really, no biggie. Have been lots of times, but the cue is brutal. Maybe locals don't get stuck but if you ride a weekend you spend so much time waiting for the lift. Epic trails, great village, too Damn busy! Enjoy what you have close!
  • 31 1
 A few facts to have in mind:

- Les Gets make 400,000 lift rides per summer, the biggest number in Europe. Could explain why there might be some time to time issues with maintenance on a few trails.
- Land ownership do not allow to make as many trails as the resort would like as they don’t “own” the mountains. Certainly easier for North-american resorts.
- Les Gets is one of the first major resort in Europe to open its Bikepark (end of May), only a month after closing the Winter trail operations. With lifts to be equipped and trails to be built and secured, this is quite a good performance.
- For a Fall opening, there is the same work to be done, to put the trails and lifts in Winter mode. One has to take into consideration the cost of operating the lifts (staff, bikepatrols, energy). If this would be a viable business, be sure all the resorts would be opened all year round!
Again certainly easier for the North American resorts where they can make money on tickets, rental, lodging, bike schools and restaurants as they own all of those. Not to mention the lift pass price, lot cheaper in France.

Anyway, the good news is still that a resort is flexible enough (and open-minded) to be able to open some lift/trails quickly in Winter, don't you think ?
  • 10 0
 Yes you are right in many aspects and I'm very happy to hear that Les Gets has opened some trails for mtbiking. However, the criticism about trail maintenance during the summer and trail quality still stands. Here in Chatel we manage to keep our trails in good condition and I'm sure if you get a little more organised you can too. I wish you all the best with Crankworxs next year!
  • 6 0
 @lesgets Yes you are doing a great job! But I know how much more potential you have and would love to see you fulfil it.


One thing I always consider in the 'private land' argument – A ski piste may be 20 metres wide and cover multiple kilometres. It requires a complete deforestation of this area, then a machine to destroy any natural features to make it smooth enough to ski on. Then why is it so hard to build a bike trail through the forest which requires minimal maintenance and destruction?
  • 5 0
 @lesgets just look at the ground swell from one statement of intent from yourselves.

Of course it seemed like a statement of intent but of course you are being very quick to dumb it down. You have an opportunity to lead the world, it'll take a lot of work, blood, sweat and tears to get you back where you used to be. Crankworx is an amazing start and you have been putting in the efforts for many years on the trails. However for as many years people have been saying the trails don't ride well, they are poorly shaped. I'm sorry to say it (again).

The entire mountain bike community and many hundreds of local riders in the area would help, standing behind you should you wish to pull the trigger on progression.

Why put down the biking community by saying you aren't open for the 'hardcore bikers' when they could be just the people you need on your side?

You made a good point of revenue streams in North American resorts coming from rentals and shops that the resort own. Well, do something about that, I got one would happily pay more for a lift ticket for longer opening hours and a greater variety of trails. I'm also sure that if you teamed up with the right people in town, extra revenue could be found.

I'm sure you'll say it's not that easy. Well, it is. There are many in your town that you could sit down with, brainstorm ideas and find solutions to any one of your problems. Beyond that that same community could help you construct and maintain these trails (we already do on unofficial trails). All we'd need to do is unsure and legalise it.

We've been on the same line of conversation with Morzine for many years, but you seem to be taking more positive steps. Let us help you make them.
  • 2 1
 Compared to chamonix PDS is positively forward thinking... i'm not saying they're perfect. but the logic in this valley is "it's chamonix, we don't need a park etc etc"

The lift company here will happily sell you a lift pass, then tell you you're not allowed to ride any of the south facing trails in july and august because they want them left for walkers.. There are 2 dedicated bike trails in the valley, les touches and la tour, that's it, everything else is natural (which i love) BUT the walkers have priority and it seems to be out of the question to have dedicated walkers and riders trails...
The potential here for the valley to draw bike tourism in is there, but the locals just don't seem to be able to grasp it..
  • 2 0
 That's a shame that Chatel is that far back in the Valley. I think if Morzine/Les Gets with their privileged location (first PDS resort to reach from the highway and airport) were putting as much energy on the trails as Chatel it would be awesome. Living few km away only, how many times i didn't even considered going to ride Les Gets and went for Les Carroz, Chatel, Morgins instead. It adds 1hour drive but the riding is so different. Of course Les Gets will still sell more pass but it's not because of the quality offered. I would say, riders choose to come to Les Gets as off bike life is more fun and dynamic at Morzine/Les Gets than other resorts around and riders coming for a day only from big cities like Annecy, Lyon, Geneve are reluctant to add more commute time and just stop there.
  • 2 0
 Yeah I agree that Les Gets/Morzine are more fun to hang out after biking but the extra time driving to Chatel/Morgins is worth it for the trails. Of course, if you come for a week you can always stay at Les Gets/Morzine and take the lifts to Chatel/Morgins (the price of the lift pass is the same) though you won't be able to ride the whole day.
  • 28 1
 mountain creek and highland should really consider opening back up. even for a month
  • 7 1
 Windham is open today and tomorrow! I can't make it there, but I'm definitely gonna hit Highland's cross country trails and umm accidentally find my way onto Hellion...
  • 3 1
 I wish, mountain creek!
  • 2 0
 @TheFireSermon I jokingly messaged Mountain Creek and asked them to open the park on Christmas day as a Christmas miracle. No response. I'm gonna message all the east coast guys on Instagram and see if they can open up the lift sometime soon.
  • 1 0
 Totally agree! There was a petition on the ESC facebook to have Plattekill open a few weekends ago too.
  • 6 0
 200% agree with you !
PDS have such an incredible area for MTB but they stay way too much on their laurels. I also had the chance to go to Whistler last year and I no longer have the same look on these Alpine's tracks. Attitudes concerning moutain biking are struggling to change in France... I live in les Vosges and the situation is exactly the same. So frustrating.
  • 7 0
 gotta say i was dissapointed by PDS way too many braking bombs and badly managed trails - the best trails and tracks i found were in the trees and black ones
  • 4 1
 "Braking Bombs" ... that is accurate! I've seen braking bumps INSIDE braking bumps. Chatel works hard to keep their trails tight all season tho.
  • 6 1
 I hate when my downhill trails are bumpy too.
  • 3 2
 I hate smooth lame DH trails. make them rough for real men
  • 2 2
 hell yeah the rougher the better, I'did spend 1k plus on my avalanche setup to ride smooth bmx tracks ffs... bring the gnarr and float over it..
  • 5 0
 Verbier is one of the more forward thinking resorts. Always one of the first to open and last to close and with a good network of enduro trails as well as the bike park stuff. This year they were open until the end of october when the lifts were shut for maintenance, showing that you don't need from the end of August to the start of December to maintain the lift system. They also have lifts open to bikes now and guides available for xmas rides. I believe Pila may also be open at the moment too. Morillon and Samoens have never truly opened to bikes, you can just get lucky and sneak a few laps if the lifty doesn't mind but the official line is a big no. I'd definitely agree that more resorts should be building flowy greens and blues though, Les Carroz has invested in a 5km super wide green run that makes introducing people to bikes much easier. Instead of fear and intimidation people are genuinely able to enjoy riding mountain bikes in a bike park from the get go.
  • 5 0
 The snow situation is an absolute joke in Europe at the moment.

Interesting points on the park and couldn't agree more. Decided to take a year our, Ski in the winter and ride in the summer - the European Ski Resorts are on par with the North American/Canadian in general, but MTB does' even feel close, hence the plan to Whistler it for the user (visa dependant, ha).

Such a shame, they have so much potential.
  • 1 0
 It's dumping in Utah!
  • 1 0
 #FML. Damn you visa's!
  • 5 0
 So much criticism, from people all living in the area, and from people who actually have the ability to do something to improve the situation (Tourism office, bike school...). This has to be a joke! Of course PDS is behind Whistler bike-wise but still, the bike park is awesome, so are tho se of the numerous stations in the alps.

Concerning the lack of passion and motivation the station is blamed for.... I don't know the exact figures but I talked with the man behind the "Mondial du vtt" at Les2Alpes in 2010. Not the smallest event out there. He reported the station earned as much money during a full summer season as it had in 2 days of the winter season. What do you think they invest in????

I want to believe resorts do as much as they can to attract people in summer. Unfortunately the winter season is still way more important. Whistler may well have done things better than the other competitors, as a customer/rider I'm still happy with the way things are evolving in France.
  • 2 0
 It's a very good point polar on why don't people group together here like they have in Queenstown or Whistler, but the main difference here is that there are many different land owners around the PDS region. This is why there are so many trails being built on the Pleney side of the valley but on the other you will likely run a gauntlet of people shouting at you when coming down - all down to ownership.
  • 3 0
 The figures for Chatel are: 1 million euros made for the whole Summer season which is end of June-9 September. For winter it is 22million from mid December to mid April. Now if they did invest in summer a tad more and open for long I'm sure they could make more money but I don't see them making even half the money they make in winter. This IS the main reason why they don't care about mtbiking and why things are unlikely to change much any time soon.
  • 1 0
 Just want to say how impressed I was with Chatel this year. We came out for the last week (after the majority of PDS closed) and it was worth the drive from Montriond every day. For the last week of the seaso the trails were amazing. Keep up the good work.
Been coming to PDS for years now and I understand the criticisms above. In the past we'd spend 2-3 weeks out there a year, but nowadays Chatel and Les Gets are our warm up week before heading off to ride other places. The PDS has so much potential in the area, I understand the landownership problems but hopefully with Crank Worx next year and a shitty winter season it might start to reach its potential.
My main gripe has always been the lack of trails further afield in the PDS to make the slog over there worthwhile.
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 Thanks we do our best to keep the bikepark in top shape. Let me know when you are over next year and I'll show you some of the sweet singletracks and secret trails which can't be found in the bikepark!
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 but thats mainly due to the fact ,that there're more bike bums in the summer ,than ski bums in the winter. Big Grin
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 Chatel is great, love it there, same as the rest of the area, in fact I'm going in 2016 for a week. It beats local stuff here in the Pyrenees, as the whole area PDS is accessible easily. Vallnord is good, but the novelty is over quickly, and the smaller French ski stations (Pyrenees) try but have a limited budget, and are only day trip options, some very very good trails, but not enough variety.
They have an awesome asset and should have more joined up thinking, then it really would be a the stellar no.1 place it could be, however France moves at it's own pace... (paperwork certainly).
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 Off piste tracks around morzine are amazing. The trend for smooth flowing lines has affected PDS there are a lot of the rowdy natural tracks that are hardly ridden, but there people queuing to ride super morzine over & over. I guess they need to move with the trends but it would be a shame to see more natural rugged lines disappear.
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 I used to ride the PDS between 2003 and 2006, it went from being amazing to mediocrity in the time 100% as a result of trail repair and specifically the braking bumps on things like Morzine.

Have since started road tripping around other alpine resorts, it's way more of a pain in terms of accommodation and creature comforts but the riding is leagues apart. Admittedly they don't see anywhere near the traffic of Les Gets but the places are better set out. Vallnord is genuinely fun and has a load of different trails, same with Verbs.

I think people feel annoyed about les gets because it could be so much more, the potential is massive. Admittedly it's not easy to build new stuff, but (as noted above) some of the stuff gets built wrong and then left.

I went back a couple of years ago to see what had changed and rode the same red egg trail I had done 7 years earlier, with braking bumps in the same places.
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 'Build it and they will come'

I am the biggest fan of the PDS, I got married in Morzine two years ago and have ridden there every year since 2005.

However, the romance of this area is no longer about the tracks. Investment is: let the snow melt and reopen for 8 weeks then close the door last day in August. There was an amazing article a few years back when Fabien Barel himself was talking about a time when he had it out with a lift attendant over laughing in French at the Brit sheep who flock back every year for sub par tracks. Barel said 'don't forget they are paying your wages'

This needs vision to follow current trends and this area can go wherever it wants, literally the sky is the limit. But, if it continues to see this as a summer that makes as much money as 2 days in winter then it won't end well with the amount of forward thinking resorts popping up. Finale, Ainsa, Madeira etc......
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 I don't get why there's a gap from the time any mountain is closed for skiing/snowboarding to biking/hiking. I say keep the parks open for bikes until there's enough snow to board on and open the bike park when there is too little snow. Probably a liability thing plus damage could be done to some trails in the melt off but I've always thought it was weird that there was a gap. Here in California there could be almost 2 months from the time the lifts close for snow to when the bike park is open.
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 Insurance contracts have defined start/stop dates...
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 and some of the states do it because of environmental (erosion control) measures (VERMONT) feel free to props down, I would
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 I think there's a shit load more prep work for ski and mtb season openings than you may be aware.
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 The reason there is a gap is that setting up the lifts for skiing and for bikes is different. O fcourse, with a little better organization the gap could be shorter.
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 there is a gap between seasons beacuse when there is too little snow to safely ski on, the trails are still covered and unrideable.
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 totally forgot about the lifts! Insurance contracts make sense too. Though it would be fun to blast through some snow, happens a lot at mammoth when there's snowboarding into July. Some of those north facing shaded trails take a long time to melt.
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 Yeah but the PDS could be open for the whole of September and probably until mid october. This year I rode the trails in Chatel bikepark until early November, bone dry!
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 i was told the insurance companies wanted a hard opening and hard closing date for bike parks. makes sense, weather related hazards. but still........................
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 Haven't been to the PDS area yet but was seriously considering it for next year..but after reading the article it doesn't sound like its really living up to its hype!

All I can recommend is to visit Austria!
Ride Schladming (no comment needed), Leogang and Saalbach (which has sick trails for Trailbikes) all within 2 hours of driving!
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 Also Morgins is really worth a shot, fun and lots of option manly lines.
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 pds is magic, been going since late 90's and booked for next year.. This artical simple doesn't do the place justice. There is soo much to it, a week is usually not enough to go exploring away from morzine and les gets ...
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 Morgins is my fav riding in the area for sure, lots of flow which les gets does'nt have ....., I always do one run in les gets and then I remember how rubbish it is , only good trail in les gets is the dans le gaz on Mt cherry
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 I've been to the PDS 4 summers in a row now and very little seemed to change in that timeframe. The notable changes were a few rebuilt sections in Chatel killed the flow and the new section on the main Les Gets run was a major disappointment!! Still amazing to be there for a week riding uplifted tracks solidly but there is so much more that could be done.
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 Rebuilt sections in Chatel that killed flow??? You surely mean the opposite! Chatel bikepark is WAY better now than it was 4 summers ago!
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 Yeah les gets mainline ruined compared to 3years ago. Less of this slow berms stuff and more flat out..
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 Being fast in the berms requires skill. Flat out is fun but steep straight lines are what cause never ending brake bumps and that is a trail crew's worst nightmare. We at Chatel are trying to remove all steep straight lines (on the big flow trails), trying to create trails which require the minimum amount of braking not a lot of pedalling and allow you to keep you're speed.
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 SintraFreeride - one of the big eye openers for me in Whistler was how the trails were built as you've described, less braking is designed into the trail and consequently less trail damage but also you go faster as you rail each corner and jump. Definitely the way forward.
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 "Minimum braking" as sou say, seems to be the solution. Makes me wonder why it's not that way everywhere.
I was surprised in Tignes when I tried the easy tracks, even those were too straight and required continuous braking in many portions of the track. Then PDS (Les gets) also surprised about braking bumps (early August) everywhere.
I went through chatel quickly during the Tour des PDS, it was better.
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 but this slow bermy stuff is dull and boring... sorry but don't like it in chatel and les get red middle has been ruined. not just me saying but all ones I ride with.. The old trail required more skill to rail berms flatout, the new one is just naff... and the big table from the top gone replace with 2 we shitty ones too easy to overshoot...
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 Not sure which trails you are taking about in Chatel @bat-fastard. The blue Seprentine trail is fast and has over 60 berms and it is alot of fun to ride, far from boring! But hey if it's not you're cup of tea that's fine. Myself I prefer tech trails like in Morgins and Champery, the the sweet Mega at Alpe D'huez, Venosc at Les 2 Alpes, hiking trails and off piste shale freeriding. I think a DH bike with 200mm of travel is kind of a waste to ride mostly on smooth flow trails (I do like em too but not as much).
The trick is to create trails that aren't very steep. In Portugal there are a bunch of trails with little gradient which you can ride flat out and NOT be on the brakes much. Finale Ligure also has trails like that. Never ridden in Whistler but I think their trails follow that philosophy.
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 That's maybe my problem. Big full on bike with avalanche suspension that loves to point straight down. Was down serpentine this year, not for me. Black shore and likes of bike patrol are my cup of tea. Smile
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 @bat-fastard ah well I understand now. I'd suggest sticking to the black runs then and riding Morgins if you haven't before. The blue run on the side is super fast with plenty of rocks and roots perfect for your bike! One of my favorite in the PDS. Also the super fast black run in Crosets might be your cup of tea!
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 Perhaps someone should consider building a bike park that is open all year round? ;-)
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 They're is a big problem in our countries : the land owner's. We don't have mountains, hills or anything like than free for building. And if it's not the land owner's the problem, is the forest guards.......
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 In Spain we have been riding La Pinilla Bikepark all december!!! Cant wait for this weekend

www.pinkbike.com/video/412371
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 Mountain creek bike park should reopen as well! The weather is depressingly warm so if they know they cant make snow for let's say a week why not open the bike park? Come on guys just a few days! =)
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 Having ridden the PDS for over a decade, and been to whistler once... The hills in the PDS could be made the best in the world. With the change in global climate, this is a chance for the local economy to actually benefit. Yeah, MTBers spend less, but it's the economy of scale. Let us come, build for all abilities, and we will be there! If I wasn't already committed to work and family over the festive period... I would go. Please formalise this and so busy family dads and moms can plan to ride there, with the longer season that it is clearly now available. Bring it.
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 Who the hell wants to sit on a plane and in an air port for a day to go to whistler pipe??
2 hours join the plane 45 min transfer pds rocking,
More braking bumps the better its a european thing same as the yanks have there mx tracks graded after each moto,
Ride the rough untouched dirt its the best
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 I rode the Coast Gravity Park on Sunday. Its open all year long. Canadian dollar is way down vs the USd or the euro so Canada is the place to go. We were the only ones booked in and had the place to ourselves with a few locals. There is record snow 1000 feet above the park but the not a flake to be seen on the trails. Couldn't find any braking bumps either.
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 For me this issue is not just limited to just the PDS... It's seen across the country and seems to be deeply rooted in the culture.
The fact that you can get a job for only a few months each year and the government (well EU subsidies anyway) will pay your wage for the rest of the year, if you're going back to it.
I wouldn't be that bothered if I had a job like that and a government that would fit the bill.
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 THE WHOLE SEASONS THING DOESN´T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!! Just close or open whenever the f*ck you can ride or snowboard easy, if you can do both, then both.... especially with all the fat bikes now hahaha, kiddin aside, it makes no sense for a resort to be closed with supreme eriding or snow conditions!
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 Holy crap ... From the tourism office, "this move is intended initially to propose additional activity to the destination, people who cannot ski and we don't talk about a reopening of the full Bikepark for the MTB hardcore riders community."

Well, that is a slap in the face to the "hardcore riders community"
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 It's all about the money i,e. skiing is for the rich (in general) and biking is for the poor (yes you may spend €€€ on your bike but you're unlikely to pay €1500 for a chalet for a week and go out to restaurants for most of you meals). After all the hardcore MTB community comes to RIDE, not relax and spend €€€! It's a shame though some of the trails near the bottom lift at Chatel are almost completely ridable. The Super Chatel gondola may open to bikes soon! Gonna have lift access to some secret trails!
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 windham bike park is also currently open. trail damage in the mud is probably going to be epic though.
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 Most of the bike parks have a realy short opening season. Thats why I decide to go to Finale Ligure this November. It was perfect whether for riding bikes and they are still riding a lot there today.
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 We're getting it here @ Mount Baker - lifts been open a few weeks & something like 12" new on a 120" base.
We're just S of Whistler / Blackcomb so IDK what's happening up there. ::shrug::
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 Where are you getting your information about Les Gets being open this Saturday the 26th of December? I see nothing on their website or Facebook pages. Please help as I only live 30 minutes away.
  • 1 0
 I finally read the rest of the doc. and got my answer. My head's now firmly stuck in tail. haha.
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 Wish I was still living local. Might see if I can get a cheap easy jet flight over.
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 I suppose it is safe to say that investing in cycling gear is a better option than skiing gear!
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 Spot On... Can't agree more, especially with Marsh comments which have to be the most honest one as he is the only one for who his business is not affected by the tourism in that area. Reminds me when we went with all the gears to the empty but running Mt Chery's gondola during a dry and hot month of April and had obviously been told to fuck off.
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 just one question. WHERE'S THE F U C K I N G SSSSSS NNNNNNN OOOOOO WWWWWW
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 Nine months? Of lift access? Holy hell. What have I been missing in NZ?
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 why no locals interviewed, all expats?
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 The hell, even SoCal 's Snow Snummit got snow already, Global warming much?
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 It's dumping in Utah!
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 Mmm santa gimme some runs on the steeep not-so-secret supermorzine tracks pleeeaaassse!
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 Do we have a best article of the year award on here?? We damn well need one. And this is easy the winner for 2015.
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 Ugh....I'm heading to Grenoble in about a month and was hoping to ski. When is it going to really snow?
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 Bryce Bike Park in Basye, VA will be open this weekend!
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 So is Les Gets open for bikes from Saturday or not? If it is I'm going!
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 Love the debate on here. I wonder what we Brits can do to encourage PDS to reach its potential? Should we all stop going until they make it better?
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 Listen the Fuck up Mt. Washington!!!!
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 What's a bikepark?
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 braking bumps*
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