New NukeProof DH Bike - First Peek

 "squirting" scene

 

 wow how come every time im right my comment gets removed?

 COD junkie!

 looks kind of like a flatline to me... super nice

 it looks like the 951 and tr 450 combined

 yes i agree when i saw it the TR 450 is what i thought it looked like the most

 i say its like a tr450 and a revolt

 i know the linkage is completely different but it reminds me of the old flatlines

 it looks like a bike

 true

 love the raw with the yellow link!

 want.

 a lot like a rocky mountain flat line, but new design for sure, nice!

 looks like a cross breed of an EVIL and an INTENSE very nice, cant wait to see the production model, this was the last thing i expected to see when i logged on this morning

 The suspension system on the Evil is a lot different, but this is just like the 951. Looks pretty nice anyways!

 far more like the rm flatlines. pretty much the same

 It couldn't be "far more" like the Flatline considering it's suspension is almost identical to the 951 too, in other words, we have triplets!

 how is it possibly even close to the 951, the 951 uses vpp, this pivot is directly located on the frame

 yeah antron they are completely different linkage designs

 It has the linkage thing on the top. I didn't literally mean identical, I just spoke because I thought. No biggy.

 the linkage seems identical to the flatline as well as the old giant DH teams (02-05)

 looks a bit... nuke-proof. oh i'm so very sorry.

 ya it does look very tasty but I wonder if your gonna hit your legs on the wide part next to the the link ? looks like it sticks out a pretty long way

 I dont think so. if you look at the third photo down you can see where the bb goes is out further, plus you add in the thickness of the crank and you should have plenty of room. Sick bike though.

 lol exactly the same

 its Nukeproof

 bmanbikerpro would of been waiting for that to follow, and that frame looks so nice bet its pricey though.

 Yeah I saw that too! V cool!

 Nuke Proof has been under new Management for about 2 or 3 years now. They make the best stuff for your hard earned money, from Ti springs that the average Joe can actually buy to some bad-ass downhill hubs. Pretty much every company on the market today has a past with crappy products in their range.. Intense, Sta Cruz, Trek, you name it! Cheers!

 No thanks, I'll stick to some Hadley's and Kings... My Hadleys are going on 6 years.... and I had a set of Kings for almost 8. Not to mention My 10+ year old King Headset. I wil give them another 4 years before I start caring. BTW I won't ride an Intense (great designs, had to many of them fail on me), and haven't had any issues with any of my Santa Cruz bikes.

Also I won't touch a Titus either Chris Cocalis is a lying cheating bastard and I witnessed him in person bashing a box in only to make a claim with UPS, worthless company it's so great he tainted the water with a new company Pivot... Right? That new management mentality sucks. The problem is that some of the companies need to start completely from scratch, and change their names.

And look at the terrible welds too>>>...

 yeah, really, really nice. i'm a welder too, and i noticed it right away. its really well done.
too bad everyone goes crazy for any welds next to an intense sticker, which is IMO ugly

 I could not agree more. This is precisely the first thing which came to my mind when I first saw it.

 I know nothing about welding but I can see that there are far more beads per inch than any welding I've seen an aluminum frame I'm guessing this takes a lot longer/more skill? If so, I wonder if the production version will be the same.

 i also like how the BB, main pivot, and link pivot are one piece of machined metal.

 or they just got tubing from the same manufacturer,you may be surprised but all over the world bikes look alike.there are only so many tubing manufacturers so their bound to sell different companies the same tubes.so quit saying it looks like a tr450 or a flatline.it looks like a bike frame.

 You really hate single pivots don't you? Makes me wonder why you're named after one

 I am named after one but I cant change the name. I dont hate them I just like riding a bike that performs the way I need. I spend 20 days a year riding at Silverstar and when I rode my single pivot (Bullit and Xprezo) they both beat the crap out of me...then I got on a true 4 bar and saw the light. Do as many rides as I have on a SP then make the switch...you will have the same 'respect' for SP as I do.

Final word, yes, they work 'fine' but just not that great.

 you can change ur name. just ask a mod and next tine u sign in it will ask u to change your name

 uh, neither of those are linkage driven single pivots. what magical 4 bar did you ride?

 notice the one piece rear triangle? = single pivot = energy sapping and inefficient.

 @game...

"uh, neither of those are linkage driven single pivots. what magical 4 bar did you ride?"


Pick one....

 Do you mean off the chain as in "off the line"? I like the raw metal colour as well, but you will never get it like that. They always have to come up with some stupid logo or colour scheme to put the whole thing a notch down or two. I like clean cuts for my bikes, and fully customized. A bike can be either black, blue, pink or whatever, but too many colours or names (like TRC 187 or BHY 2000) is just such a put off.

 So it looks even better than just a straight top tube

 Ohh yeah, I forgot... Now it's soo important to having a bike that look's good... A straight tube would be lighter, stronger etc.etc.etc... And of course an IronHorse with straight tubes don't look good...

 You have a very good point i will agree with you there

 They seem like really nice wheels was planning on getting a pair in yellow but i aint 100% sure

 Review - http://www.pinkbike.com/news/Nukeproof-Generator-AM-wheel-review-2009.html

 They're comparing it to a Ventana El Cuervo, which is one of the most plush, "plower" bikes you can get. Sweeeet

 yeah. see the model year of the Ventana...2004...why dont they compare it to a bike that is less than 6 years old? Because its old technology thats it.

 bullit dan its most likely because they cant use a more modern bike due to copyright infingements etc.

 There would be no copyright infringement in making a comparison between an existing bike and theirs. They can test and graph their results on any bike and post it all over. If they were copying their system, then that would be at issue, but in this case this is not a problem.

 My DHR is a single pivot with a link... got more to say..... because im positive its better then any 4 bar bike i have ever owned or ridden. you may have ridden poorly designed single pivots, but a properly designed one will ride as well or better then other designs

 Hey bullit-dan, I guess you hate your Bullit, after all it's a single pivot so it got to be awful cough, cough... dumb... cough

 VPP linklages have been around since 2002, or before (to be honest i'm, not going to research for the exact year), the 4 bar/horst link has been around even longer than that... its not about the age of technology, its about the refinement of spring and rise rates within any given style... at the end of the day there are only so many solutions for the problem of mounting a swingarm. actual axle path only counts for a small part of the suspension performance and handeling. the benefit of the single pivot swingarm, to a rocker link setup to drive the shock is that you can have the stiffness in frame build a single pivot offers, yet retain the tunability of spring rate by having the rocker setup. What i dont get is why companys who use that configuration dont often provide different link plates to enable a choise of progression.

 Bullit-dan, if they published their axle path, then you would see that a SP is just a rearward as a lot of linkage bikes, and then you would have to eat your words. PS - what trail is it you ride that has square edge hits that are slowing you down?

 its linkage driven single pivot for one thing. so by your opinion the Commencal's, Evil Revolt, Morewood's, Foes, Orange, transition TR450, Yeti, GT Fury, Honda RN01, etc. Are all bad bikes? Single Pivot isn't a bad design at all, its effective and works well.

 yes linkage driven single pivot but the key is rear wheel path. No matter what happens, the wheel follows a single arced wheel path that results in a few things...brake jack and poor square edged bump performance are the two worst offenders. The linkage changes the leverage ratio trough the travel arc but those two points are not remedied by it. Sure all those bikes are nice and in the proper application they are good, but over all, single pivots are poor performers in comparison to other suspension designs. Like lipstick on a pig...a very beautifully made and wicked looking pig...but pig none the less. Just my opinion

 (PB is making me post after I wanted to delete a comment as I read your response incorrectly.)

 looks like the tr450 and the revolt had a son.

 not sure what you are sayin

 The axle path created by single pivot isn't really a problem. By moving the pivot up & down, you can create axle paths for a wide variety of uses - a high pivot will mean a rearward axle path and good square edge performance, but a few other problems. A low pivot will mean a very vertical axle path, without the problems of a high pivot. The limiting factor on axle path is chain growth - a massively rearward axlepath means massive chaingrowth and a whole load of problems. This is probably easier fixed on single pivot bikes by an idler/jackshaft like the katipo or superco, but anyways...

I think it looks sick, but pretty much like everything else at the moment, hopefully the price'll be nice and low though ;D

 I agree with Dan's comments. Using I higher pivot point would allow for more rearward wheel travel earlier in the wheelpath, to better handle square edges, but that leads pedal efficiency/feedback problems. You can use a floating brake to compensate for brake jack, but now you're adding weight, plus it's more difficult to remove the rear wheel. Sure, the bike looks real nice, but for me, I'll be sticking with mult-link suspensions like Maestro for now on.

 Academics, axle path might affect you on a few occasions, but there is nothing wrong with a well engineered single pivot for most people. Geometry makes a much bigger difference to how a bike feels than the axle path imo, if Nukeproof get it right, this could be an awesome bike to ride!

 There are problems with 4 bar suspension designs though - a massively moving instant centre can screw around with anti squat, and suchlike.

I'm not saying single pivot is necessarily better, I'm just saying don't write off a bike before you've ridden it just because it's single pivot.

 yes I think that everithing its on the way that the system works just that theres really good single pivot systems like the evil revolt delta system that the movement of the tail of the bike moves like a multilinkage bike I saw a video of steve smith with his evil and he show the way of his suspension work and it was awesome there was no problems with pedaling or nothing similar like sure theres other single pivot that haves this problems and also with braking but I think its just the way of the system work.
but yes if I dont ride it definetly I cant say if its a good bike or not.

 bullit dan, you may have some good points, but you make some moronic statements too. Lipstick on a pig? its worked for mx bikes for the last 20 years and it doesn't look like things are gonna change soon. Its a trade off, ideal axle path, or ideal actuation of the shock?

 Yeah...it work on MX because they all have floating brakes and the pivot is just slightly forward of the pivot. Not to mention they dont have to worry about pedal bob as the ENGINE turning the chain provides constant power. Ever see a deraillieur on a MX bike...no because those issues of chain length that cause a lot of the problems are a NON issue. If we can replicate what mx uses...then yes, the single pivot is great. But that option is not widely available. Lipstick on a pig is an expression, it means it looks nice but is still not that great...sorry to have to explain that for you.

 If you're talking about pedal bob, that's all to do with anti squat.

Anti squat works best when at 100% - 100% anti squat will mean minimum pedal bob. Anti squat is at 100 when the main pivot, or in the case of a 4 bar suspension design, the instant centre, is inline with the chainline.

This means that it is very easy to get good anti squat properties from a single pivot suspension design - if the main pivot is placed on the chainline, just infront of the BB, you get a very stable anti squat around 100%... wait, where have nukeproof put their main pivot???


Oh, and about the derailleurs... It's because motocross bikes have this magical thing called a gearbox

 "Oh, and about the derailleurs... It's because motocross bikes have this magical thing called a gearbox Wink"

I was referring to chain length variations which require a derailleur to let out or take up slack, not to the ability to shift gears.

 Single pivot bikes only need a derailleur to shift gears.

On a single pivot bike, you can put an idler on the pivot for 0 chain growth. This means, if you could have a gearbox on a single pivot bike, you wouldn't need a derailleur. However, current gearbox designs are too heavy/expensive/power inefficient to be viable for use on a mountain bike.

On a 4 bar design, the instant centre moves, meaning you can't use an idler to stop chain growth. So they'd still need a derailleur.

 You just proved my point. To make the single pivot work as well as or without its drawbacks you need either a gearbox or an idler pulley, and as you say both re too heavy/expensive/power inefficient for viable use on a MTB.

My basic argument is not that single pivot is wholly bad, but that it is not that great, unless you add said items above. and as you say its not feasible. That said, this nuke proof bike is very nice, fancy looking, and well made, but I cant get excited about a bike that will likely cost a lot of money and yet be out performed by a bike that is 1/2 the price but a better design. People get way to caught up in nice new stuff but fail to see the limitations of that item just because it has a fancy name or is shiny and new.

Bottom line, there are better bikes out there for less $$ with a better performing suspension system than this - therefore, I cannot get excited or praise it aside from what it is - nice looking.

 I never said that a single pivot design would need a gearbox or idler pully, and I never said that an idler pully would be too heavy. What I said was that you can get around the problems with chain growth with single pivot.

An idler is certainly not to heavy for a DH bike - it's just a cog, and used in the K9 industries bike, aswell as the katipo.

A 4 bar suspension design will have all the same problems with chain growth as a single pivot, if it has the same axle path end point.

The main advantage to 4 bar designs is extra tuneability in design, and no brake jack. However, an extra pivot between the main frame and the wheel will mean extra flex in the rear end. So, it will have to be overbuilt to reduce flex, meaning the weight won't be much/any less than a single pivot with a floating brake.

 Yeah, im familiar with the expression wise guy. Mx bikes do not have floating brakes. Guess what, brake squat isn't all that bad either, it settles the suspension going into corners you just gotta learn how to control your rear brake. And what the hell are you going on about chain growth? rearword 4 bar axle path you're promoting=chain growth. Idlers are a very simple solution too. I ride a bb7 and despite having a 300lb spring on it a van rc and 9 inches of travel, it loves to sprint. Mind sharing what amazing 4 bar bike you're riding that turned you completely against single pivot designs?

 love it

 http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=60930

 37lb 11oz WITH pedals

 From the article!!

It's super early in it's development at the moment, with no production date scheduled yet.

 Not just any bomb proof its nuke proof