Housed in a single level, nearly windowless red brick warehouse, from the outside Pig Iron Sports didn't typically merit a second glance from the Connecticut suburbanites that drove by each day. But for me, an eager teenager with a full blown mountain bike addiction, this was my heaven at the tail end of the 1990s. It was my refuge from the awkwardness of high school, a place where I could easily pass the time lusting over the latest shiny rides from the likes of Fat Chance, Ibis, Spooky, Independent Fabrications – the top frame builders of the day. One afternoon, I walked in to see an
Ibis Bow Ti frame hanging in one corner of the shop. I'd never seen anything like it – in my mind, this incredible titanium creation that could somehow deliver 5” of rear travel without the use of pivots was on par with a Lamborghini or a Ferrari, mountain biking's version of an exotic supercar. And then there was the price - $4,000 for the frame alone. That put it so far out of my price range that I didn't even need to worry about how I was going to get the money to afford it. I wasn't, end of story. But that didn't stop me from dreaming, and even when I began working at the shop (my endless pestering finally paid off), I'd still occasionally take a few minutes out of my day just to stare at that mind-bending titanium sculpture.
The funny thing is, after looking at the Bow Ti's price tag, customers would say the same things back then (nearly 20 years ago) as they do now when faced with what seem to be exorbitant prices for a bike or component. “That's ridiculous. I could buy a --- for that much money.” Or the classic, “Mountain biking's getting too expensive.” An interesting mix of emotions are generated by not being able to afford a product that, at least according to the ad copy, will make your mountain biking experience even better. There's a twinge of jealousy, a pang of disappointment, and a bit of anger. Not being able to afford the latest and greatest can even generate feelings of “How dare they – I deserve to be able to ride that bike.” What sets off some of these emotions is that for many, the highest end mountain bikes are
almost within reach. $10,000 for a bike is huge sum of money, but it's much closer to being attainable when compared to the automotive world, where car prices can reach the millions, and the vast majority of people will never, ever even get the chance to take one for a test drive. The prices of those sports cars are so far in the stratosphere that they're somehow a little less likely to raise the hackles of readers perusing a review or kicking tires at a dealership – they're purely fantasy items, not a carrot on a string that dangles tantalizingly close.
It's fun to dream about having the latest and greatest technology, but it shouldn't affect whether you have a good time on the trails.
However, with those top-of-the-line mountain bikes, there's an good chance someone in your town has one, which makes it easier to get wrapped up in jealousy, especially when neighbor Jim brings home his new carbon steed. For chrissakes, he barely knows how to wheelie. But does it really matter? Absolutely not. It's a matter of perspective, and getting angry or bitter isn't going to accomplish anything. Spewing and sputtering because you can't afford the highest level components won't help anyone, except maybe your doctor's bank account when he charges you for treating the ulcer you gave yourself. Remember, a few seasons from now, the high end technology that was once unattainable will make its way to more reasonable pricepoints, and you won't need to rob a bank or take out a second mortgage to enjoy it.
As fun as it is to drool over the latest shiny bits, it's the actual act of riding that's important, putting wheels to dirt and pedaling off into the woods in search of sublime singletrack. The elegant simplicity of a bicycle is part of its allure, and while highly refined suspension, hydraulic disc brakes and exotic frame materials certainly have their place, some of my best mountain biking memories took place aboard a cheap aluminum hardtail I cobbled together for next to nothing from parts pillaged from the scrap bin of the shop I was working at. I rode that bike, V-brakes and all, everywhere from Fruita's swoopy high desert singletrack to the wet, loamy and rooty trails of the Pacific Northwest. Would I have been happier aboard a fancier bike? I doubt it, and I certainly didn't waste any time pondering that question while I was aboard that inexpensive steed.
At the end of the day, actually riding is what matters the most – get out there and play in the dirt, do some skids, hit some jumps, but above all, have fun. And if you can convince some friends to join you on your ride, all the better. That's why we do this silly sport, right? There aren't too many other activities in the world that can consistently deliver such a high number of smiles and high fives. So forget about money, carbon, head angles, gear inches, and whatever else is floating around in your skull, and get pedalling.
Yes things have improved a lot since 1995. Even since 2005.
But Axle is right that nowadays there is a very big hype on lighter = better, where both the customers as the companies choose to have 200g less on a frame, even tho that will be the difference between a frame that lasts for less than a year or a frame that lasts for 5 years.
And I agree with him that often this lightweight hype goes too far, into a stage where strength gets sacrificed for a couple of grams.
Nowadays I feel that more and more people who are not seeking a couple of seconds are influenced too much by the pro's and focus way too much on the unnecasery benefits of small things like an extra 2 inches of wheel, carbon everywhere, titanium bolts, kashima coating, and slightly longer front end.
After all, in the end all that matters is having fun, and I have just as much fun on my old school XC bike as on my Custom DH bike because really
I disagree. I love seeing dirty, scratched, and beaten frames. They're the ones that actually get ridden the way they were meant to be. No point in buying a carbon show bike, unless you just want to impress your friends @ the trailhead.
You work that 'hose pipe', bro. I'll be riding.
Yeah bike prices are going up but so is the tech. included and that's only true if you keep on wanting to buy the new, high-end gear.... go buy a used frame if you're money conscious. Bikes are built so well now that what's considered as lower-end or 4 seasons old is still an insanely good bike. The deals are there and you won't find them in a shiny new box.
There is one thing you can't buy for any price, and that is time. But a bike that lets me ride more laps in the same time? Take my money!
really though, everyone is saying superbikes cost $10k but they don't. Realistically, they cost 6-7. The fact that it is possible to spend another $4000 on carbon wheels on brakes and shifters that function identically but weight a few grams less (Saint, XX1) doesn't have anything to do with people that buy their own bikes.
How much is a high end, world cup performance moto?
How much is a high end, world cup performance DH bike?
Comparing the best mountain bike to your regular garden variety moto is hardly a fair comparison.
a factory works mtb is $10k, and avail to the public
a factory works dirtbike is $100k and not avail to the public
a factory moto gp bike is more like $500-$1m... those dudes spend a few thousand dollars in tires a weekend
It is totally worth it, partly because I can afford it and mostly because it is far and away the best bike I've ever had, the closest thing I can imagine to having the sophistication and capability of my modern dirt bike in a bicycle. It is worlds better than the two-year-old bike it replaced and unbelievably better than the ten-year-old bike that came before that. I remain shocked at how much more bikes have improved than I could imagine and love my bike.
Both my bikes have carbon fibre frames; Road bike has ultegra 6700 and Fulcrum 5 wheels, Mtb has sram x0/xt and manitou fork
As a Bike wrench I have to work on customers bikes every day and the super bling bikes don't turn me on, it's just hardware, would rather be riding bikes than dreaming of bling!
same goes for bleeding brakes, replacing shift cables or frame bearings.
I have most of the bike tools necessary and work on my bike while I can, but for some stuff it just makes sense to have a bike store do it for me. I had them replace 8 spokes because I dropped a chain between my casette and spokes. Cost me $50 I think, would have taken me hours to fix and I don't think it would have been done as well. They even re-taped my rim wich would have cost me money for tape.
Trust me, I have skills when it comes to repairing things. I work for a high end european automotive manufacturer and work on 80-100k cars on the regular. I loose less money fixing a car while I pay my LBS to fix my bike. We both win in that situation.
Funny because I have the same reason for the opposite behavior. If I want to take the bike to the shop it means somehow getting home while they are open (nearly impossible), or waiting for the weekend to take it in, then waiting at least a week to get it back. Add to that that the parts cost more, and take much longer to ship to the shop from distributor than from Jenson to me. It's just not practical, I'd never ride if I lived at the mercy of the LBS.
Instead I can order the parts, have them come the next day, and wrench when I get home from work around 9pm and have the bike ready for the weekend. So when saturday rolls around, I'm headed to the trail and not the shop.
Your way would probably be fine if I had spares bikes, but for now I only have one MTB so it can't have downtime.
I'm talking brake bleeds, anything wheel related (spokes, hubs, trues, ect... ) or special tool related (think PF BBs).
Drop my bike/part off at lunch and pick it up after work. When I need wheel work I usually strip it to the wheel and bring it in. Saves me a decent amount of money for the work involved and they usually get my wheel in and done in a shorter amount of time. I'm a fairly regular customer and they know who I am. They also know I'm a cheapskate by choice.
And yeah, amen on the "buy used".
Maybe the trick is to try and cut out the middle man when buying new - yt industries, superstar components etc.
And...
I bought the shocks for $350 used. So $200 is just plain stooopid.
Also once upgraded my frame and made €180 profit on it (bought and sold as a complete, swapped all the parts over, and sold that one).
Only downside is when a part breaks. Then there's no profit to be made. But if it was cheap, who cares, just replace it with another great second hand deal.
I had several bikes worth about €2000, that I've custom built myself to my own specific needs, for €400-600 total with second hand parts. It shocks me when my fellow riders are talking about how great that deal on the new fork is, now that it only costs €800. That's more than I've spent on my whole custom bike, and often mine still even rides better.
Then again you need patience for this to find the right parts for the right price. Also you need a lot of knowledge about bikes and parts to be able to pull this off.
I figured the average mtb price is 4500$ or so for something more than decent but nothing spectacular. Add a dropper post and some modifications, you're probably close to 5k. I guess it depends on where you live but the average rider probably does around 25 rides a season? With those numbers, if you compare it to a rock climbing session, you would have to keep your bike for about 11.5 years for your rides to cost you 17$ each. That doesn't factor in gas, maintenance, repairs, upgrades, trail access fees and the such.
Hardly anybody keeps their bike for 11 years, so the actual price per ride is a lot steeper. I'm not trying to say it's not totally worth it (because it is) but I'm saying that if you didn't have to buy a bike but you had to shell out 40-50$ everytime you get to the trail in order to ride, a lot of people would think twice before going and wouldn't go as often.
The bike season here lasts about 5 months so getting 150 rides in is pretty hardcore. Most people I know will barely break the 15 rides mark... if they do. As far as I'm concerned I'm probably going to get slightly over 50 rides this season which I find pretty good considering the crappy weather we got but then again last year I got like 15 rides in due to a broken collarbone so my $/ride ratio took a serious hit that year hah! There's a million variables to take into consideration, I just tried to calculate using an honest average from my observations.
I love looking at expensive bikes, but with age comes realism, I'm not a good enough or frequent rider to justify having a $6000 or more bike in my garage (unless it has an engine). But it doesn't mean that I don't go out and have a smashing time on my low spec alu bikes most weekends in the summer.
With the rebuild I'll get another season on it in 2015 and hopefully this brings the overall investment down to the $16/ride, not factoring gas (though im lucky to live in the mountains with over 80 miles of trails accessible from my front door).
Not a cheap hobby indeed.
But then I think about the health benefits, it keeps me sane, in shape, and promotes a healthy active lifestyle.
Suddenly, the costs drop significantly.
How about 3 times a week? One mid week ride and both days on the weekend? That's still not enough in my books, but let's try that assumption. Let's also assume you take 3 months off a year for winter, visiting the inlaws, healing your broken ribs, working on your relationship or whatever, and you get 117 rides a year. You buy the bike for $5K and ride it for 2 years, then sell it for $2K. In those 2 years you spend $1000 on tires, pads, lube, grips, drivetrain and popsicles. Cost is $4K/234 rides = less than $17 a ride and you get a new bike every other season and get to keep it in tip top shape at all times. That's about the price of 6 pack of beer and a bag of chips, and about 1/4 the price of a round of golf. Bargain. And that's a $5K bike. Surely if you're price conscious you can get away with less. Anyone who doesn't have a lot of money and doesn't service their own forks isn't allowed to complain about maintenance costs either. It's not rocket surgery.
Furthermore if you're basing your bikes on how much it costs per ride vs. how much enjoyment per ride you are getting out of it then you're doing it completely wrong.
For me, I know I wouldn't have nearly as good of an experience on a $500 hardtail as I would on a dialed $5-6k full suspension. If someone out there can have just as good of a time then more power to them. I myself value performance.
I rode the McKenzie River trail last weekend. Over 180 miles of total driving was over $30 just for gas!
Mountain biking is not about how much or how often you ride, it's about whether or not you ride.
Back in high school and college, I could ride 3/4 times a week. As you get older, your free time diminishes and you only get out maybe 1 time a week.
My 20 years of riding on everything from fully rigid to now riding carbon full suspension is what makes me a mountain biker.
Save the quantity debate for the strava types.
Agreed. I could ride once midweek and on both weekend days, but only if I quit my job, want to get divorced, or both. And I don't even have kids! Of course, my typical rides are 3-4 hours with up to 2 hours of driving each way. If I stuck to the local trails and cut rides to 2 hours or less it would be a different story. Too much variety in Oregon to only ride the nearest trails. It's a curse.
Thrasher, why wouldn't you squeak out for an hour, or even less if that's all you can fit in, on your local trail once midweek, to supplement your weekend ride? Sounds like you work too hard
Hmm, interesting logic. I have 3 bikes, DH, AM and a road. Total retail cost for all 3 would be about $20k. Right now I'm kinda lucky to get in ONE ride per week due to full time school, and a growing family with a 4 year old. In the summer I was getting at least 4 rides per week. And mentally I'm fully invested in riding - I love seeing the new stuff, keep track of the trends, etc, etc.
Funny how you classify how much of a "real" rider someone is by how much they can get out. Does'nt seem to me that someone needs to be the bike equivalent of a surf bum to be considered a real rider.
I hate not riding and watching the fitness I gained over the summer fade away, but when I'm done with school I'll be able to afford those $10k bikes (maybe) because I made a sacrifice now.
So go ahead and take a step off your high horse and think about the possibility of different situations for every rider out there.
@kramster In my area, the trails are pretty much useless from mid october to mid may if you're lucky. Add up the constant rain we've been getting this summer, getting 100+ rides is only attainable for people who entirely focus their life on mountain biking. The point was to use likely average numbers to come up with an average figure. Of course, you can buy a 500$ hardtail and ride it 365 days a year to minimize costs but that's not very realistic if you keep the average joe in mind. Not everybody lives in an area where you can ride all year long and most people have obligations and don't get to ride as much as they want. From what I've seen, the average person probably gets about 2 rides a week. An average of 3+ rides a week is for the dedicated.
I'll stand by one comment: anyone who spends $5K on a bike and rides it twice a month has no right to complain that the sport is expensive.
My point is, nobody should be complaining because you can pick a bike to suite your budget, and you get way better value now than years ago. A quality bike that will do the job quite well is not that expensive.
If you ride once a year or 500 times a year it doesn't matter. If you waaay overspend on what you actually really need, then go out and complain, you are a fool. $5K or $1K or $10K, spend whatever you want and ride it as little or much as you want. Just don't complain. Too expensive? Get a cheaper one; problem solved. People seem to think they deserve a world cup ready bike for peanuts around this place, but high tech has a cost, and for every person complaining, there's a line up of people paying it because they see the value in it.
The only reason I compared it to rock climbing was to establish a reference base cost. An arbitrary 17$ a ride would make sense I guess (assuming the initial gear investment was minimal) so I wanted to calculate how much you'd have to ride a bike to get down to a 17$ a ride. The answer is: much more than most people actually ride.
I rather spent the money on trips to the mountains instead of buying new stuff and staying on the flat lands.
MTB (sadly) is expensive but it doesn't need to be extremely expensive (happily) If you: think twice, do your research (just like Facingtraffic wrote above) and of course you don't belive in marketing bullshiiiiit :>
So stop spending your money on bike components and start visiting The Mountains more often. That is much more enjoyable and s
Money & Time = Bye-bye
Its fun to dream. Sometimes it pisses me off lol, but once I am on the trails, the smile comes out. Cheers. Great post.
Ordered $0.50 per spoke, nipple included, from a BMX store. They cut them to whatever length you need.
Hope BMX will start carrying derailleurs and sus forks sometimes soon...
For example, Santa Cruz nowadays only offers the v-10 carbon, which is pretty expensive.... but about some years ago you could buy a santa cruz bullit which was a more economic option
As well transition can be an other good example... why did they stopped producing the Blindside. I mean, that bike was awesome and I say this because I owned one.
Right now I am roding a tr 500, which is a good bike as well but way more expensive than the blindside.... and we can see that if this "economic bikes" production is stopped therefore bikes prices are raising since there is no other option for buying a bike but the most expensive
So my point is that these type of bikes should still be in production so any rider out there who doesn't have the cash to afford the most expensive bike of a brand in certain discipline (dh, xc etc...) could still afford one that is more cheeper and still have the same purpose
The bike rides brilliant, never have I had such a compliant ride, with tank components, yet weighing exactly 18kg with Big Betty tires and MTX39 rims.
Around me it is full of youngsters who can't ride for s#it with 8000Euro bikes. They keep giving me pointers on how to ride, yet can't jump over a 20cm log in the forest or do a drop of the same height and keep making fun of my bike, which looks the part in my eyes, because I chose everything that went on it. I do envy them, but not that much, I just envy them for having such an opportunity, where they can just buy/get a 4/8000 Euro bike. If I had the money, I'd spend it more wisely I guess. That is the only thing I envy because most will not ride for fun, will not just go around the city with some shorts on and a t-shirt and can't go in the woods without that crappy Kashima X0 with the chainguide on the rear brakes.
But hey, those are the times we live in, people get amazed by marketing schemes of brands with a bitten fruit on them and love it when it goes in balls deep. I prefer getting dirty the old-fashioned way, riding a bike in 63.8 inches of mud
P.S. This is what I put together: www.pinkbike.com/photo/11158023
I'm a professional commercial photographer in my city.
Every kid in my city now can use DSLR camera because DSLR camera is cheap now ($200-$300).
What i want to tell you all here is i must admit i have jealousy for them deep in my heart.
My first camera is nikon F1 back in 2000.
Now kids can have Nikon D3000 at age 10 years old.
I can buy my first bike back to 2005 with my own money.
Yes, i'm that long enough in MTB world.
But, if i must talk reality now these days, i can avoid it.
Their parents has loads of money, it's their choice to buy their kids whether it would be an expensive bike or not.
Until 2013 i had 5 bikes, now i only have 2. A downhill (2014 YT Tues 2.0) & the so-called enduro bike (2015 Canyon Strive CF 9.0 Team).
Yes, i had to spent $10k for these bikes.
I can guarantee you'll tell me "You're not supposed to be here", etc.
What i want to tell you is, if think you can buy your dream bike buy it.
But, buy it after consider your economic situation.
If you can still pay for your every day expenses, buy it.
If not, don't buy it.
And, i suggest you to buy from a direct sell company.
If you want to buy bikes from my country, you can consider Polygon (one of the best company), United, Thrill Agent, Wimcycle.
And, if you want to buy from famous companies that also use direct sell method, it's your choice.
Conclusion.
Buy it, if you think you can.
If you can't, just ride your beloved bike.
Go out there, pedaling uphill, test your mental going fast on downhill track.
And don't forget, HAVE F.U.N.
Best regards.
$2500 buys you a very nice quiver-killer trailbike - fully suspended, 2x10 drive train, components in the Deore or X7 segment. These bikes are more capable than anything available at any price a little as ten years ago. That's a bit like buying a reasonably entry level Honda Accord or Subaru Outback - pretty damn plush, considering what was available for similar money a decade ago.
And yes, you can spend 10 grand on a bike. And yes, that's one hell of a ride; downright technical master piece. Almost piece of art level. Beyond aspirational, for most of us. But hey, it's out there.
A little bike envy is fine - always good fun to dream about cooler toys/bling/whatever. But "mountain biking is too expensive" is a bunch of BS. There are very few sports that can beat the smiles per dollar ratio of mountain biking. Yes, you can make it as expensive as you want. Yes, you can spend all your disposable income on it - and then redefine "disposable" in looser terms. But that's not a feature of the sport, or the industry - that's a personal choice (and, if it drives you nuts, a personal pathology).
Nothing wrong with bike envy. I love it and do it everyday. While I wait for my kids to grow-up and start their own lives, I will continue to ride my $1400 entry level bike and $2k used DH bike. One day, I will own that $10k+ bike with all the "blings".
In saying that though, sometimes it's hard to find bikes specced out that smartly. Generally if you're buying a bike with SLX or X.7/9, it's also going to come with some lower end suspension... which is something that many people can feel the difference of. Still though, there's some brands that make awesome kits... look at the Transition Patrol 3... full SLX/Deore with a Monarch/Pike combo for $3499. If I ever need to replace my bike and I can't find anything in the used market, that's definitely what I'll be looking at.
IMO, 90% of the riders can`t even reach 70% of their components performance. The great majority of the riders dont really need boxxer wcs, carbon rims, 6 speed transmissions, all they need is something that works fine. The MTB World is way too much about the "How it looks". If you see someone riding a 5000$+ bike, you assume they ride the hell out of it. It almost never works that way. I know some guys who "needed" a boxxer wc, but if you change it to a boxxer rc, they wont even notice. So stop complaining. If you can`t even properly ride a Mongoose (no hate here, just an example) why do you think you need a V10 Carbon?
buncha f*cking little whiny brats here... get some perspective
90+ percent of you will not even care about "bike envy" when your my age, because you'll have quit long ago or be so outta shape you will then only have "those were the good ol days" envy. LOL!!!
Until then, (ride fast, ride often, JUMP, drink good swill and repeat)!!!
I get where you are coming from and I dread reaching a point in my life where I am no longer able to go out for a spin at least twice or three times a week.
Hugged the boys all swilled up, got the ol you crazy psycho look, laughed out loud at the world! Best of; wife said with a purr, I need to do this more often. She my friends, is getting a treat from tiffany's for that. I am going to Snow Summit Next Week for 2 days to play in the dirt!
$2500 in 2014 is equal to;
$2316 in 2010
$1804 in 2000
$1352 in 1990
To use the example given, the Ibis BowTie frame which was $4000 in 1990, would cost $7392 in 2014 if you account only for inflation. Add in the $2600 for parts (2014 dollars) and lo-and-behold you have a $10,000 dollar bike.
At the end of the day did he have more fun? No we were both stoked!
Having said that I have now upgraded to a carbon tallboy take from that what you want
I know guys with £10k V10s but they still live with their folks and drive a £500 van. Whereas if you have a mortgage, kids, car loans etc and only ride seriously once or twice a month (if your lucky) you can't justify that.....I do like it when the dude and his £10k rig sneers at my £3k machine on the trail and then I see him in the car park packing up into his Saxo as I load my 'inferior' bike into my £50k Audi...hahahahah!
Of course there are other bikes I'd prefer, but mostly exotic handmade brands such as Nicolai with the Pinion gearbox and similar.
Everyone has a point of diminishing returns for their dollar. Keep your head in check with your wallet and you'll enjoy $500 steed as much as the $5000 one you may buy years later. I know I still enjoy my $500 kijiji bike just as much as my +$5000 carbon race bike depending on the day!
Since I'm quite happy with my current bike I tend to not want any other bike. However, if I spotted someone on the trail riding a Scott Genius LT Tuned 2014-2015 model I'd then be GREEN with envy for sure. haha
A clever guy without the cash finds always ways to stretch the penny.
My goal was to spend 2 years on my hardtail 29 to get my skills up. In 2 months I got bored riding XC and found free ride trails. Now my bike limits me to how I ride because I want to go bigger than my bike can do. I dont feel comfortable hitting huge drops on a hardtail 29. I stick to the smaller shit for now. I am in the process of upgrading
Then it's not just the fact that they ride everyday, but the place(s) they are riding. Some guys in Whistler, others in NZ, these awesome mecca's that God created for mountain bikes to rule and here I am living in Houston. Trust me, I don't hate on people for living in these awesome locations, I just envy them from time to time because that's what I want to be doing. Hopefully soon...
prices --- they're all relative ---
My mother's first house she bought was $32,000...
My dad's first brand new car was $3200 (about a dollar per pound).
My first "real bike" built with Campy Record was I think $1100ish
Pooformance (not to be confused with the big-box bike store who hire but teenagers who know jack shit about bikes, working there just for the discounts and to punch a clock). Pooformance value is a gajillion times better.
** ever buy yourself brand new Deore canti brakes --- you could dial them in all day long, canti brakes were no where near as strong as Vbrakes, Vbrakes no where near as strong as disc.
even the cheap disc brakes are pretty good these... there was a time you had to spend top dollar to have a set of disc brakes that were worth a hoot.
How about SPD pedals? holy crap did they suck when they first came out -- you'd often look like a stuck turtle, trying to get out of your Onza SPD pedals, Shitmano weren't that much better. Pedals haven't changed much but man, they're way better.. I have been using the same pair of Time Z's for over 7 years now --- still smooth as silk.
suspension --- BAAAJillion times better --- man, that's a hot topic. the shit they made 10, 15 years ago, man it sucked compared to the stuff today.
I used to N V this one guys Trek Y -- ha ha ha --- I worked on one the other day, it was in near mint condition...took it for a little spin... bla ha ha ha... what a piece of crap.
I used to sell this brand called "Hardland" -- I still have the banner --- it was cutting edge stuff back then but they went belly up. I don't know whatever became of them.. Mountain Cycle was the same --- they were in and out of bankruptcy --- the stuff the put out was pretty bad ass (back then).
it sure is easy to drop some serious coin on a bike these days but compared to other sports, I don't think it's all that bad..
$300, $400, $500 gold club? what?
fishing gear can be quite pricey..
guns.... hello...
like I said, it's all relative
I tried mountain biking on a hardtail with very loose rocky terrain. It was not fun, and I quit. I have since saved enough to buy a full suspension virtual pivot type bike and I am in love with the sport. But I question if this will be my last bike. I got a deal because it was a higher end bike that was made out of AL and had 26" wheels. Next bike will need to be another complete, but I'm not sure I'll be willing to spend $5K every few years to get a low-end component version of a good bike.
Those little bastards are FAST!!!!!
I still get bike envy when I see all these Nomads and Mojos, but I get to throw my leg over my overbuilt steed, and laugh.
Moop. Doop.
I remember riding as a teen (bikes were fully rigid back then for most of us), and just being stoked to be out and riding, sometimes even catching a whole 2 foot of air off jumps (we were lucky if we landed without our wheels collapsing a'la Kelly McGarry) but we never felt envious if someone lucked out and got a new bike with a suspension fork, an aluminium frame or even if it had Deore LX parts (XT and XTR were definitely made of unobtainium back then). It would be awesome to just be able to get out and ride with them.
Sure we used to dream of trying out the full suspension rigs we read about in MTBA or whatever magazines we could get our hands on but we never felt like we HAD to have them to have fun. Mountain Biking was about being outside riding bikes offroad with your mates. When did such things as "bike envy" even become a thing?
I think bike envy comes from the massive wave or consumerism we get drowned with. Be it from pro circuits or from the marketing department of each brand. I am 31 and my disposable income is nor more or less than the average person in the UK. I am realistic about what I can and cannot afford as well as what I want vs what I need. My bike upgrades usually come every 4 to 5 years, normally due to componentry being ridden to destruction or because there is a significant enough technological advance to maybe justify a purchase. For those reasons, I put money aside but over the years I have learnt to be a sensible consumer. I have taught myself not to buy into the PR and marketing thing and to wait for products to be "beta tested" by average Joes, those who have perhaps more disposable income and can take a hit from a bad product purchase. I have also discovered that "value" is a very ambiguous term and that today's £900 suspension fork, will be tomorrow's £450 reduced fork or that if I have been keeping my saddle in the same position for 30 years without any problems, " do I really need that £300 dropper post...?"
Like someone said above, the worth comes from the emotions and memories your bike gives you and not from the grams/pounds/kilos or the intricacies or simplicities of your rig.
The idea that you need to "earn" a high end bike with anything other than the ability to afford it is ridiculous. Often times, the higher-end stuff is more reliable and more fun to ride. I've got a new SC Nomad on the way, and I assure you that I've got a long way to go to build the skills to push that bike's limits. If that upsets you when you see me on the trail, guess what? I don't care. I'll just keep riding it with a big grin on my face, and if your ego feels better because you don't think I deserve my bike, then I guess it's a win-win. Have a nice day.
1)There are plenty of more expensive bikes than mine
2)There are plenty of less expensive bikes than mine
3)There are plenty of riders more capable than I am
4)There are plenty of riders less capable than I am
I don't suffer from bike envy, I'm totally happy with my bike. I stuffed 3k into it very carefully and the only bike I can think of that might even cause a twinge of envy is a TR250 with a FOX van 36 RC2. Even then, I'd have to keep my entourage around in case it couldn't induce the same shit-eatin grins.
The shop I work at is continually giving me shit for turning up my nose at gucci components because they aren't "Blue-Collar"
You don't have to be rich to have a nice bike and enjoy it.
YOU ARE NOT YOUR f*ckING KHAKIS
"At the end of the day, actually riding is what matters the most" tell me how can I ride when a decent tyres (50€ @LBS for a High Roller that will only last for 3 months!!) cost as much as a week of food or a MX tyre that will last. And please don't tell me "because they sell less tyres than mx one".
A Maxxis high roller isn't a "decent" tyre, its a high end tyre. A decent tyre would be something like a Michelin country mud tyre, which costs about $14 on Chain reaction and would likely last a good 12 months with a hard compound. Not the best tyre, but equivalent to a "normal" car tyre.
The most expensive MTB tyre on Chain Reaction is the Maxxis Maxxlite, which costs about $180 and would probably last for about 3-6 months. Its made for xc racing, The most expensive car tyre in the world belongs to the Bugatti Veyron (the carbon V10 of the car world?) and this costs $10,000. For one tyre. That's $40,000 for a set. And they last 2500 miles.
I bet the Bugatti forums are not full of people complaining about the price of a tyre...
A 10 years+ old tyre isn't an high end tyre anymore.
Chain Reaction isn't a LBS.
This is not the Carbon V10 forum.
Another fact with YOUR exemple?
Consider a Bugatti Veyron: 1 000 000$ with Michelin specific only for this particular car: 10 000$
Consider a ultra high end xc bike: 10 000$ with Maxxis Maxxlite specific for... any xc bike: 180$
mmh... looks like an "8" should be a "0"...
A High Roller selling today is not the same tyre as ten years ago, despite it having the same name
I don't see what relevance chain reaction not being a local bike shop has, we're talking about what price you could buy something for, not morally where you "should" buy it from
It's not a carbon v10 forum, but we're commenting on the price of high end bikes, of which the V10 is a perfect example
As I was talking MOST expensive, the base price for a Bugatti Veyron Super Sport is actually $2.7m. According to your logic the Maxxis Maxxlite should therefore be $270. So at $180 it's actually a steal!
As they say in France...touché!
But the point is, as other people have said, that a 10k bike is a professional top of the range piece of kit. Those bikes allow progression in the industry. A similarly expensive bike in 2002 was this:
www.specialized.com/us/en/bikes/archive/2002/2002enduro/02enduroprofsr
If it wasn't for £10k bikes, we'd still all be riding around on something like that. Which by the way was amazing at the time, it's just to prove a point. In 12 years time it's safe to say that a bike with technology equivalent to a carbon v10 from today will cost very little. And that's what we all want.
They can have my bike envy but iv got thier skills envy!!!
I think in fact the dollar value to quality has improved with time.
A: Start with a big one