Pinkbike Poll: Flow Trails vs. Technical Trails

Jul 17, 2015
by Mike Kazimer  
The term 'flow trail' is a relatively recent addition to the mountain bike lexicon, a phrase used to describe a trail, usually machine made, that's full of berms and rollers, a dirt carnival ride that almost any ability level can make their way down without much trouble. They seem to be popping up with increasing regularity, and part of their growth may be due to the fact that more trails are being built specifically for mountain bikes (that's a good thing), as opposed to riding on paths that were originally constructed for foot and hoof traffic. The increasing number of flow trails could also be a side effect of the pumptrack craze that began roughly ten years ago. If a backyard pumptrack is fun, imagine how great a supersized, gravity-fed one out in the woods would be – or at least that seems to be the train of thought behind the construction of these swoopy, wide, and above all, smooth, trails.

Roots
Berm
Crunchy vs. smooth.

That smoothness is one hallmarks of a flow trail, and most of them are nearly completely devoid of roots, rocks, or anything that would require the use of knobby tires. That's part of what makes it easier to get one through the bureaucratic red tape that comes with building a legal mountain bike trail – it's like getting permission to build a sidewalk in the woods, a task that's much simpler than trying to explain to a non-cyclist why that jumble of boulders in the middle of the trail doesn't need to be removed.

The growing number of flow trails combined with increasingly capable bikes makes for an strange juxtaposition, especially since the ideal bike for these trails would be something along the lines of a dirt jump hardtail or a slopestyle bike, rather than the 160mm enduro bikes that are currently en vogue. In a perfect world, a riding area would have a mix of trails, with rugged, natural singletrack interspersed between the machine built options. This certainly isn't always the case, but perhaps the focus on more rugged trails will return once the wave of flow trail construction subsides.

Personally, I like my trails to be served raw, full of spiderwebs of roots, chunky rocks, and sections that take a concerted effort to unlock the secrets. Don't get me wrong, I like railing through a double overhead berm as much as anyone, but if I were forced to choose, I'd pick a rough and raw trail over a sculpted sidewalk any day. But I'm genuinely curious about how other riders feel - maybe the demand for flow trails truly does outweigh that of natural, technical trails, which is the premise for this week's poll.




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  • 502 5
 Technical trails have flow too, you just have to work to find it.
  • 118 2
 Exactly. Flow is the hallmark of a good trail, technical or not. "Flow" just means you can carry speed instead of starting and stopping constantly.
  • 11 0
 Crunchy for me, please!
  • 72 2
 You build your flow over time, it's called bike skills built riding technical trails, not flow trails!
  • 16 3
 Flow tech! FTW!
  • 51 1
 for me there is nothing more fun than doubling through gnar. i personally could live without flow trails just fine. the natural, technical stuff is what mtbing is all about for me.
  • 62 30
 I am not sure if any amateur would learn to play basketball if he was given Shaq O'Neill to block him... You learn by breaking the code, then practicing what you have learned, and that is hard on the edge of dying. Also I'd like to see all gnar lovers shredding A-Line. i can think of many tough skills to learn on machine dug trails. Just because you prefer rough trails doesn't mean much.
  • 148 3
 Answer C, I'd take a shovel an dig lines that join these two trails
  • 41 10
 Riding on smooth tracks is still fun and crucially, safe. Perfect for me to go and pay the mortgage later, and feed my children.
  • 1 20
flag Risker (Jul 17, 2015 at 1:35) (Below Threshold)
 
  • 3 7
flag DragRider (Jul 17, 2015 at 1:36) (Below Threshold)
 i came to learn the hard way it was not easy but was more fun now im addicted to the proper DH adrenalin !!
  • 4 1
 I think that @Remy Métailler r does agree with you @timkoerber Big Grin
  • 34 2
 flow might be easier to ride but you can also can get extremly fast. i had my worst crashes on flow trails i know perfectly. just tried to push that bit more and went down hard. Flow dose not instantly mean safe if you push yourself Wink
  • 4 0
 smooth run on a crunchy trail that is
  • 16 1
 Crunchy. Don't fully agree on the beginners need flow to learn argument but that's because I learned on trails most of my peers don't enjoy riding to this day. Rocky and rooted, suited best for hiking boots, but it's what I grew to love. At the end of the day its up to the rider to find what they enjoy, what gives them the thrill.
  • 4 1
 I wish I could grow to love rooty-rock tech.. it's more work to maintain sculpted trails full of pumps, jumps and berms free of twigs, pebbles and loose sand... but soo worth it. Flow is where it's at for me.
  • 2 1
 @nojzilla the local trail crew just brought some fantastic berms and added a few optional routes, and cleaned up some jumps on a gnarly trail by me, better than ever before, you can carry way more speed through corners and really fly, the jumps are way cleaner but its still just as gnarly and rough its great. Option C is the way to go
  • 15 1
 Either....depends on the day and my mood...
  • 10 1
 gnar with some nice berms mixed in is great.. I like when the 2 techniques are combined to make a technically tough trail be even more fun with a few "flow" modifications without disturbing it's natural technical lines
  • 9 2
 sometimes you feel like a nut...sometimes you dont...
  • 1 1
 @jaame A lot of people forget about that, fortunately my work place allows a bit of sick time but most of my self employed friends do ride easier for that reason
  • 12 0
 I agree they are both good, both creative in their own way. Flow trails are creative for the builder, natural trails are creative for the rider. I love riding gnarly trails and "unlocking" new lines. There are sections of downhill I've been riding for 15 years that I find new lines on once in awhile. I also love when somebody rides them differently than I do, seeing things I have not seen. A skilled rider can ride a rough trail smoothly, and those are the moments I get the biggest rush, when things just lock in and you are ripping gnarly terrain.
  • 1 7
flag wobblegoblin (Jul 17, 2015 at 7:01) (Below Threshold)
 I would ride down the tech you trail, back up it and then down the flow trail, cause I a mountain biker that has the smallest amount of fitness
  • 3 0
 @DARKSTAR63 couldn't agree more with that last statement, unlocking new lines, and seeing another riders fresh approach to a line.. btw, thanks for shipping me those Konig bolts awhile back, you da bomb diggity
  • 3 0
 No prob man ! @DrippingPink
  • 2 0
 @DARKSTAR63 -- agree! the problem for me comes the day AFTER "things just lock in and [I rip] gnarly terrain." That's when I try to go just as fast as I did the day before and things *don't* lock in and I make like a stumbling drunk through there...all over the place, off line, off balance, but I won't give it up and grab the brakes because "yesterday I nailed this..."
  • 3 0
 haha yea @ecologist we all have those off days - sometimes its bad I feel like I can't ride a bike at all.
  • 5 2
 Flow trails are fun for about 3 minutes, then I start nodding off...ZZZZZZZZZZZZ
  • 30 1
 The worst is flow trails built where a tech trail used to be
  • 2 10
flag PhattyMatt (Jul 17, 2015 at 7:32) (Below Threshold)
 You're language suggests that you aren't actually American (the real America)...
  • 12 0
 Flow trails safe? Don't fool yourself. I have always found that I tend to crash less when riding tech because my focus is so locked in. Plus the speeds generally achieved on flow trails make that potential crash and resulting impact arguably more devastating.
  • 4 1
 Beacon hill spokane, Washington to me has the best mix of tech flow trails....30' cliff drops to high speed 30' double to rock spine drops and huge berms and a hell of a lot more. The trails are pretty buff in-between the tech but that's what the land gives you.
  • 8 0
 Very much agree with CircusMaximus. Tech trails are mentally "scarier", but I've definitely been hurt more (and more severely) riding flow trails. Getting airtime is NOT what I'd call safe. Keeping both tires on the ground would definitely help, but usually that's not what people are looking for on their flow trails!

I also find that flow trails have a tendency to lull beginners into a false sense of security. They don't have the skills to ride the tech, but when they start picking up some speed and air on the flow its usually not long before they go down HARD. I've seen a few big injuries put a lot of new riders out of the sport early!
  • 6 0
 @BryceBorlick Exactly. Let the land dictate what the trail will be. If the terrain was covered in roots and rocks when you found it, that's how it should stay. Flow should be part of every trail, even/especially the tech ones, in that the directions the trail goes should make sense for the speed you are able to carry through a given section. Tech that is forced for the sake of tech without any consideration for momentum and continuity can be just as unpleasant and disappointing as a completely neutered blanket of a trail.
I think the answer we are all looking for is balance. To find a way to use the land that makes the trail flow no matter how technical it becomes, and without losing what made a specific zone unique in the first place.
  • 3 0
 I have got to get out to Beacon I hear great things about that place. About a 5 hour drive for me...
  • 2 0
 Beacon is a good time for sure, I like to ride both types, Gotta agree though, flow trails do take down more riders due to the higher speeds. Dead sailoring a big double usually results in a pretty good slam down.
  • 2 0
 What if we any to ride both?
  • 1 0
 *want
  • 2 0
 Even crunchy peanut butter is still smooth.
  • 3 0
 @jaame I work in the know, and the statistics disagree with your comment about the safety of flow trails. Strongly.
  • 3 1
 Oh wow, you sound like a clever one. What is the statistic on people talking shit on pinkbike?
  • 2 0
 @jaame 100% give or takehas to be
  • 4 1
 as much fun as jumps trail such as aline are, i feel out side a bike park trails should not be built by machine. trails built by hand are often more creative and much more fun. you can have tech and flow and believe it or not you can have huge gaps too with out bull dozing a 5 meter wide mini road with berms and jumps. as for newbies and blue trail riders, they will not learn great bike handling skills on a dirt path smooth enough to ride a skate board down. they also cost a lot of money to build.
  • 2 2
 Lots of wc racers shred A-line, and a lot better than locals!
  • 1 0
 Queenstown is good for this mixture. Lots of tech trails off the side of flow trails @nojzilla:
  • 161 2
 The more I've ridden parks lately (which is a lot) the more I need variety. I love sending a jump line with big berms and tons of speed and air for half a lap - THEN straight into the trees where there are steep rock gardens, rock kickers, and natural drops. VARIETY IS KEY. Different flavors is always the way I roll. Why eat the same meal every day - when you can have it all?
  • 34 1
 Totally agree. Sometimes I love Flow Trails... no one can deny that buff berms and the speed they offer is pure fun. On the flip side, the challenge and sense of adventure offered from a naturally technical and challenging trail sets of adrenalin in a similar, but different way. Can't we just all get along? Smile
  • 3 1
 Couldn't say it better!
  • 5 1
 Agreed. I used to hate that all these flow trails were popping up everywhere but I recently rode a trail in Stowe VT that changed my feelings on them. Flow trails aren't necessary for beginners, they aren't necessarily neutered or boring. The trail I rode was possibly the fastest I have ever gone on my trail bike, all while hitting jumps, step downs and some of the biggest berms I have ever seen, Berms built so well that it was almost hard to stand up in them cause you were going so damn fast. My point is variety is key. Some times you want the tech-gnar, sometimes you want that hot nasty speed. Just have fun either way.
  • 3 0
 Agreed, where I live it's all fast rooty rocking technical single track so when I get the chance I get so giddy and happy to ride some flow trails, not a rock or root in sight, some perfect jumps and transitions puts a huge smile on my face... But after a few days of that I start to crave some tech, a real challenge some steep nar. Variety is where it's at
  • 144 4
 First the techy one, then the flowy one. Then the tech one again. Then the flowy one, maybe twice. Then a beer. then tech one, and again, then another beer. Then three down the flowy one. Then a tech one feeling loose. then a beer. Then hammer the flowy, tech, flowy, flowy, tech, tech flow. Then beer,beer,beer,beer,beer,beer,beer, jager,jager beer,beer, dancing, dancing dancing, strip club, macdonalds. DEATH.
  • 32 1
 you know how to mountainbike, sir
  • 2 1
 haha, you perfectly described my last birthday, except I didn't get over that second techy one, because I had to get to the hospital and get my neck and leg checkt Big Grin (actually Frown ) but that's what you get when you call a no-tomorrow in the bikepark. was fun nonetheless (and nothing broke, yeai Big Grin )
  • 5 1
 Samarius, sounds like a typical biking day in Morzine. Smile

We got chucked out of the English bar there after one of our bunch crushed a glass with his bare hand after too many jagers. Razz
  • 63 4
 where is the "both" answer?
  • 5 2
 exactly!!!
  • 5 2
 My first thought too.
  • 8 8
 The point was to force you choose one or the other. Read the question again.
  • 10 1
 But why pick one or the other? this article is a total clickbait after they saw a bunch of people complaining about the new mountain creek trail. Im not buyin it, i ride both types of trails and love it all why do we have to choose one or the other?
  • 3 1
 looked for this comment I like both we don't have to choose one or the other some times in life
  • 4 2
 Really wish they'd given us a percentage answer option....kinda like 80-20% jumpy to tech.
  • 5 1
 The perfect day is to start off on crunch then connect into some flow. It's not one or the other.
  • 2 0
 yup...I'm not even going to vote, just on principal... that percentage option is a good idea, kind of like ENVE's latest wheels...I'll take the Tech40 Sixty, please...
  • 2 0
 First run down one. 2nd run down the other
  • 3 0
 I scrolled down just to find the Both Thread because I knew it would be here. +1 my vote is both.
  • 3 0
 @MDRipper You nailed it! This showed up literally hours after some debate in the Mountain Creek article, which I commented in as well. PB is trolling all of us with this "hot topic" and we all fell, hook, line, and sinker for it. I don't understand the constant agenda to separate the community into separate camps. Let's just argue what terrain, type of bike, or discipline is better than the other all the time, that's healthy for camaraderie between peers. Very reminiscent of early skateboarding and bmx issues. They both now accept and support all varieties of their sports. So I ask all of you, are you a Mountain Biker OR are you a *Pick a side* rider?? By picking sides you are pretentiously shitting on your peers. "Oh, you ride *Insert opposite your favorite terrain*? That's not real mountain biking." B.S!
  • 1 0
 Oh yeah, if your argument is about "preserving" the original idealism of Mountain Biking, that is a flawed argument. In MTB wouldn't we all still be riding Schwinn beach cruisers with knobbie tires and coaster brakes down fireroads like the godfathers of the sport? Wouldn't skateboarding still be flatland events on banana boards? Wouldn't BMX still be riding Stingrays around cones and tape in a grass/dirt fields? Maybe the MTB industry is in the teenage bratty years and we will all look back at this in a decade plus and ask ourselves "WTF were we arguing about?" If you don't love MTB as a whole, cool, go ride what you like, but stop alienating other parts of the sport.
  • 1 0
 I think it might be the old saying, any publicity is good publicity. PB might just being working for page views here. Thanks for your help supporting PB KottonGin, you might have made them like 2 cents. There went mine
  • 1 0
 @pbrider Too true, this article will most likely be the most viewed and commented article of the week. I shouldn't be so hard on PB, it was an article of opportunity and timing. Like you said controversial topics bring attention and at the end of the day they have bills to pay and a business to run. Can't knock them for that. Sometimes I even click the ads in the header and margins to give them some more change. I am a lover of cycling in general beyond just MTB so I just want everyone to get along.
  • 2 0
 There's also the possibility that there's just some genuine curiosity about what people prefer. Coming down here to argue about preferences in the comments is totally optional. It's possible to state a preference without picking a fight, elitist attitude, but most people want casualties. Human nature...

What's the poll at now anyhow? I still haven't voted so can't see the results....
  • 2 0
 Wait what if its pinkbike who does all the stupid things in mtb industry like new wheel and hub standards so that more people would get on here and argue
  • 25 4
 Why can't we have both? I love it when there are a few berms and jumps in the gnarly/techy trails. On the other hand, when there are multiple choices in a flow trail, that shit is exhilaratingly fun, especially because GoPro videos come out better on flow trails due to less vibration

just me 2centz
  • 14 1
 I get you on the shaky footage. Once I saw a gimbal equipped GoPro video, I can't go back now... www.vitalmtb.com/v/28847
  • 3 0
 Scandium.....uh, like, wow. what is the gimbal equipped GoPro video? I'm assuming hardware and not software. Teach me the ways.
  • 4 0
 Loved that video, especially in the berms where the frame goes horizontal, awesome view point. I'm guessing it's some super expensive piece of kit you nervously buy and then wonder how you ever did without. Also, I want a dog like that, not one who just sits around and eats cardboard all day
  • 1 0
 This video shows how to make the gimbal equipped chest mount Smile
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYjaAQGDsQI
  • 1 0
 That dog was doubling the Gnar like Remy.
  • 2 1
 I liked the choice given in the question. If I could only do one lap...i truly enjoy the rugged fast and slow technical riding I'd likely pick that type of trail. But if I was to remember a great trail or build my own, I think a combination of both styles either in sections or small sections. Example build a burm at the end of a steep rooted and loamy section that drops into a left hand burm followed by nice little jump you can manual into. Flow trails also suggest sustainability, trail work doesn't necessarily mean flow but flow is fun, it can add speed, add diversity, give the body a break and with the right dirt pretty fun. Fernie BC has some of this mix and so does many many other zones.
Overall I would get bored of pure flow and might want more jumps if I was always on "natural" ground, not all natural trails offer jumps and or drops without manicures. Diversity is where I'm at I guess!
  • 18 0
 Back in my day... (Lookout, old man rant coming up) we just had mountain bike trails. Not "tech" trails or "flow" trails. Most trails were technical, super steep in parts but the corners had natural berms and flowed very well due to most trails being made by riders naturally picking the best lines as they rode down. There weren't any specialised "trail builders" - if you wanted to build a new trail you just found a patch of bush and did a preliminary walk/fall/bushbash through it, then rode through it with your mates until it was cut in.

I'm not saying things were better then, everything about mountain biking is better these days (from the technology to the amount of trails) but these ultra groomed trails feel like they're dumbing down the sport to a degree. Sure, they're a necessary evil for introducing new blood into the sport but at the rate the technical trails seem to be disappearing from our riding parks at this rate we'll be breeding nothing more than bmxers who ride big wheels.
  • 9 0
 Right on. Back in the day there was no option but to start on natural terrain. Why do riding areas feel the need to have to have smooth trails? We didn't give up riding because there were roots and rocks, in fact, I think we persisted BECAUSE there were roots and rocks. Good ol' fashioned commitment!
  • 5 0
 I like everything you've said, saved me writing it. Find a hill, draw a line, ride. I was with you right up to necessary evil for new blood. Is the 21st century political correctness kicking in? Because you just told us, and I agree, you got into it the old way, without amazing bikes ridden on easy trails by beginners. Also possibly worth saying, the old fashioned way often presented us with the reality that bmxers riding big wheels tended to be pretty good on them, but I suspect you mean the nature of what they'll tackle.. 'Bmx trails'.
  • 1 0
 @tobiusmaximum - I added it in because I remember taking more than one friend who wanted to get into mountain biking down said trails and them not loving it because it was too extreme or scary for them, and they never rode with me again. If there had been some kind of groomed trails (that weren't boring fire roads) I'm sure they would have stuck with it and eventually built up the skills to ride those technical trails. This was the days of fully rigid bikes with scary geometries converted from road bikes remember Wink
  • 7 1
 Yeah, I guess I'm just not really into coaxing people into biking. I learnt by thrashing the shit out of easy trails and struggling on difficult ones, if someone doesn't want to do that... Find a trail centre and hire a bike for that clean, manicured, sanitised version of mountain biking. They don't try to change horse riding so I'll enjoy it, despite asking lol, we shouldn't change biking either. Mainly because then it's not what it was. And try as I might, they won't let me put the snooker balls in by hand.
  • 2 1
 HAHA fair comment @tobiusmaximum!
  • 3 0
 The more technically challenging parts are usually the parts I ride over and over again...I love that challenge. But easy speed is great fun, too. Back in "my" day, when I first started "mountain" biking, I lived in a flat place, and technical bits (mostly roots there) are very, very different when you don't have gravity to pull you through. I still sessioned those parts, still liked the challenge of trying to make it through without putting a foot down, but I probably wouldn't have ridden much if I also didn't have the smooth, winding footpaths where I could really build up a head of steam, so I can see how people might have a different view depending on what their natural terrain is like to begin with.
  • 4 0
 Good points AmbientLight. I recently finished building a trail that I purposely left rough & raw but with quite a bit of flow in it. my reasoning was that when a rider finished riding it that they would know that they are on a full suspension bike. Too many of the trails at this particular area are having the roots & rocks taken out in favour of "flow" to the point where a person could literally ride them on a road bike. The way I learned to bike was if a trail was too technical or steep, get off your bike, walk down or back up & keep trying until you could ride at that level. This dumbing down of existing tech trails is very disturbing.
  • 2 0
 Where i live we are still "back in the day" riding. We have 1 trail that may be deemed "flow", but given peoples comments i think most would still find it "tech" as plenty of roots and rocks exist. I personally enjoy traveling to areas that have flow trails in the spring time. They are dry and don't require the same level of skill or endurance to enjoy them. The older I get i am hopefully we will have more flow trails around here to allow me to bike until i drop. Until then I'll keep enjoying the roots and rocks.
I wont be giving up my new bike for anything, but for those with complaints about trials being too smooth go back to your older bikes and enjoy the bumpy ride. Cheers!
  • 18 1
 Last year I went to Rotorua with a group of competent and experienced racers of both DH and XC. We rode the flow trails. We rode the natural trails (over there, lots of slippery wet roots). We'd laugh and smile at the end of each trail.

But when we got back to Australia, we only ever talked about the natural trails we'd ridden. That is where the commitment is. That is where you have to dig into your bag of skills. When I went to Whistler, A-Line was the second trail I hit. But once I discovered the Garbo tracks like Goat's Gulley and In Deep, I never rode A-Line again.
  • 5 0
 Agree on all points, so very true... Goats Gully, magic trail, love it
  • 9 1
 Here's a concept: As long as the technical trails don't get torn down to build flow trails and flow trails are added to the trail system alongside the technical trails, we get variety, shocking I know. In this case we can have our cake and eat it too ladies and gentlemen. Unlike 26" where you better eat your damn cake before it gets thrown in the trash. MMmmm now I want cake.
  • 8 0
 One argument in favour of flow trails is that they are safer. I don't agree. On a flow trail, any gumby can go fast enough to hurt themselves. On a smooth trail speed isn't limited, so riders find themselves rocketing into a set of rollers with their brakes on and their weight in the wrong place. Next thing the are speared into the front side of the second roller and ruin my day because I have to wait with them until the ambulance arrives. That same gumby would go much slower and more cautiously if the trail had roots and rocks. And instead of coming off at speed, the rider steps off or tumbles off at an almost-standstill. Here in Canberra there was popular descent that had some rough rocky sections. The park took the rocks out and made the trail smoother overall. Over the next few weeks the number of injuries on that trail went from practically zero to lots and lots. A local rider went to the Marathon World Championships and didn't do so well because they weren't used to such technical trails. This area used to be known for tech trails, now, riders from this area are being disadvantaged because we have barely any tech to ride.
  • 1 1
 Couldn't agree more!
  • 3 0
 Funny user name. My first thought was to look at your profile to see if you were short and stout.
  • 7 0
 I'm in the middle of building a trail and I've had lots of time to think about the layout. Its naturally rocky and loose then 100ft down the way its smooth and open, room for multiple lines and jumps. I'm no expert but the way I see it people just work with the land they are dealt. If there's a log in the way awesome, good place for a lip, if there's boulders great, now we have a rock garden.
  • 2 0
 Problem I find with trails is that is there is a bolder, they'll just throw loads of grit at it and make it smooth again, it's starting to get really tiring.
  • 7 0
 Some lucky areas have both eg North Van. There's no doubt that beginners, for the most part, prefer flow. And that's increasingly what many trail associations cater to and land managers deliver. Having said that in the MTB hot beds of BCs West Coast there's generally a deficit of beginner trails so that's understandable. Not saying that's good or bad. It's just what happens
  • 1 0
 Well said Lee, variety is key. Coming from the east, I really struggled during my first winter on the shore when I moved here. I would try more technical trails and have a blast even if I crashed multiple times, but man did it feel good to do a lap on a trail like Bobsled where you don't feel like you're going to die all the time.
  • 6 0
 Bullshit clickbait question with unnecessary "conflict" implied.

"Natural" trails of the 'pick a line, cut a few branches, ride it in' variety (as espoused in a bunch of comments) are only sustainable in areas with very little use. Everywhere else, they cause too much erosion, leading to the area closing to bikes altogether. So you end up with man made trails regardless. So if you're building anywhere there will be any appreciable number of riders, you have to build 'properly' with erosion prevention in mind.

So then the question is what do you build, "flow" or "tech" or some combination, and what degree of difficulty. For every trail system (whether a commercial bike park, or a community-supported area of private or public land opened up to MTB trail building, like the hills above Squamish BC, or Galbraith in Bellingham, or Post Canyon in Hood River, OR, or Duthie or Tiger Mountain or Leavenworth or what have you), you now have to make some big picture decisions. What will the land owner tolerate? What is attractive to the community (so you can get more riders engaged, which then gets you the political power to protect access and perhaps even expand it)? What gets volunteers fired up to actually come out and swing shovels?


All these arguments about whether trails need to challenge newbies so they learn the hard way and get truly committed, or whether trails need to be easier so people get hooked before they learn the skills for the more technical stuff - geez, what a bunch of posturing. Newbies, intermediates, experts - everyone has their set of preferences for what and how they like to ride, and they differ not just between ability levels, but within ability levels. Exposure to other things will broaden horizons, but only if there's enough of the stuff they like to where they come back in the first place. And anyone turning this into some sort of moral issue is missing the point.
  • 4 0
 Learning tech and riding tech is the reason why I started mountain biking 25 years ago. Roads and things like roads were boring. Trails, woods were fun, roots and rocks are the challeng. Today's flow trails are fun, they're an integral part of the sports progression but roots and rocks are the foundation of "mountain biking", afterall it's in the name. Much more focus and funding should be used in the coming years to build high quality natural tech trails.
  • 5 1
 I feel more connected to nature when riding technical trails. You're not riding something that's been completely man made. You're riding what was already there and just how it was naturally.
  • 3 0
 As said before: A mix of both. Some of the World Cup tracks are exactly that: Rooty / rocky sections with high speed man made features like berms and jumps thrown into the mix. ( Not that I have the skill set to ride any of those tracks.)

Morgins in Switzerland is a good example of how "intermediate rider friendly" tracks should be... rooty, natural, multiple lines, with loads of berms and man made jumps. Smiling as I type this: Only 7 more days!
  • 5 2
 Depends what bike you are on. For example most hardtails aren't exactly fun on technical trails, however are a hoot on flow trails. But a lot of full sus bikes would be pretty wasted on a flow trail, but confident and fast on tech. And that's just the two different suspension types, let alone all the different bike genres or the confidence or ability of the rider. There's too many variables. Just ride whatever trail and whatever bike you want. Just get out and ride and have fun.
  • 5 2
 I tell you something,if people keep on about which way trails are in their expert opinion meant to be dug/left alone/tickled into shape, all that will happen is people will get bored sh#tless with the subject,and the whole at one with nature you should have been here years ago im taking my secret trail and keeping it stop having fun bullshit will have killed another sport."soul surfers", vert vs Street skaters,etc. Its just another way of saying im better than you,And yes im having a fxxking bad day,working all week to get my 4 hrs out on Sunday.
  • 4 0
 I'm with you - all that "soul" or "core" stuff is just a bunch of posing. Prefer tech over flow? Great, go ride it, go build it. Feel passionately about tech and want people to see the light? Great, rave about your awesome rides, write a post about why it lights you up, share your stoke. But when it crosses over into telling people their preferences are invalid, that only people who prefer the gnar over the flow (as though that were a binary choice with no nuance anyway) are "true" mountain bikers, then it's (a) nothing but a bunch of grandstanding/wanking and (b) counter-productive to growing the sport.

And before people start yelling that growing the sport shouldn't be a goal - the sport it big enough to where we can't fly under the radar, so the "in my day" thing is dead. If you want access to land to build trails, or you want access to trails that already exist, or you want dedicated mountain bike trails/areas, then the best chance of making that happen is to get more people into the sport. We're not too big a movement to get screwed out of access (see Portland, OR...). Every competing land use is growing its lobbying power - we can either compete with that, or lose what we have.
  • 3 0
 Smooth trails need a certain amount of speed before they become fun. This is not a problem until it's a windy day and you're out on an exposed hillside, pedalling your ass off to keep that pace up. Ugh. This happens less on tech trails because the roots and rocks keep you occupied even when the weather has something against you going more than half speed.
  • 3 0
 I'm not into the term flow trails. Fact is, natural trails can flow just as well, it just takes skill and insight to milk it, which is exactly what makes them challenging and ultimately more rewarding than manmade stuff.

Other than that there is a middle way between these two extremes, like a bunch of lips added to a rooty trail, little catchberms etc etc making it easier to keep speed and "flow".
  • 2 0
 The issue for me is rating places like "flowy" Llandegla red when it could be done on a Cyclocross bike, then you unwittingly try a "tech" red and end up on your backside. Asking for trouble I think, a more consistent rating system is needed to prevent the accidents that result in neutering the tech trails.
  • 2 0
 Over here in Juarez Mexico, abou 99% of the trails are super technical rock gardens, as far as I can remember there are about 1 or 2 flowy trails, most are massive rock gardens, and, oddly enough, almost everybody here rides hardtails, as most of our terrain is flat or semi flat, thus my choice in this poll is more like a "well I'm definetly NOT riding the same thing I ride everyday!" but dont get me wrong, I loooooooooooooooove bone shaking, hand destroying, teeth grinder rocky terrain!!!
  • 1 0
 Forgot to say, as long as I dont have to put my feet down, I'm happy Smile
  • 2 0
 This is too black and white. Both are good but trails are being dumbed-down with little tech enjoyment at all.. Seems like Liability issues as well as standardized teaching about how trails should be built are the culprits. In addition, once less active areas getting shut down by property owners and the Forest Service that controls them. Hence, we get easy flow that is fun but as you progress in ability, some tech trail weaved in the flow would be better...
  • 2 0
 A recent trip to Aptos and Fairfax had me jokingly replying to several folks that flow trails are ruining the sport. A new flow trail in Aptos and another in Fairfax had all locals suggesting routes to the flow trails.it really became a theme of the trip. I was not impressed with either trail cuz they were not built with fun features like jumps into or out of corners step ups,step downs or such, just miles of rollers and berms. We have a new addition to Kings Range trail network in our area that is a machine built sidewalk in the woods. Its not even a flow trail, switchback to dirt sidewalk forever. Really not a cool trend for the sport
  • 2 0
 I want a flow trail with a few rock gardens in it. The part of the description that lost me was "free of ANY rocks or roots". I'm not a huge fan of extremely technical trails, but having a good mix is what I think makes a trail epic.
  • 2 0
 Why is there not an option to choose both. I like both. Take on some technical stuff to wake my mind up, then have a cruise and enjoy some buttery smoothness. Why do we always have to choose between two thing in this sport? Enjoy both in moderation you'll enjoy the sport more than you thought you could.
  • 2 0
 I honesty thought flow was a term that was used to describe a riding style not a trail type, if you want flow take your bike to a BMX track.. It's "mountain biking" it's in mountains where there's rocks and roots and wild beasts the occasional unicorn and semi lost hikers taking dumps off to the side of trails you find lines that carry the most momentum and rail, boost and FLOW from that..!!

Old man rant over
  • 2 0
 And not or ... I like to do two laps at Bear. One down Bigguns for the Tech and one down Lorax for the flow.
Over at Sumas Squid Line is hugely popular and big time fun but I only ride it about 10% of my trips to Sumas. the Tech trails are more interesting.
  • 2 0
 So nearly 1/3 (30%) of pinkbike readers chose flow trail. That says it all...

If I only had one chance, I would always choose the tech vs. the smooth. But sometimes I just wanna float and dick around and that's what flow trails are good at.

But this idea that flow trails are "dumbing down" MTB? No, that's just foolishness and internet bravado.

NOT building any new trails because they're "too easy" and "dumbing down" the sport is what's dumb.

No one is talking about taking a Bobcat to every natural trail in existence. We are talking about NEW trails, often built with public money. Which WILL eventually lead to more tech trails being built as municipalities grow more comfortable with us. So stop complaining.
  • 2 0
 What's with this vs. shit? Can't we have both? There's a point at either end of the spectrum that's garbage; trails that could be ridden on a road bike are no fun. Likewise, trails that are so rough they're faster on foot than a bike are rarely fun either, but pretty much anything in the middle is awesome. Riding the same thing day after day is boring. Ride it all!
  • 1 0
 juxtaposition : right click --> synonyms anybody????
Oh and I like riding both! Preferably intertwined together, chunk tech to flow jumps back into rattle tech to a few berms a natural drop into a couple man made booters and rattle out of a rock garden.
  • 1 0
 I personally like both. Some days I'm in the mood for a good speedy, rippin' flowy trail. Other days I want a trail that has lots of chunk and/or slab and/or rooted sections that test front wheel placement. I will admit I have a slight preference for technical trails. Some trails in my area even combine both types of sections into a single trail. Those are fun since you get so many different types of terrain in one ride.
  • 1 0
 flow trails can be fun like anything else, but I have been riding my first full suspension bike with 140front 130 back and while it makes me so much faster over technical terrain (roots, rocks, drops, occasional unintended animal) full suspension is a pain in the ass (ie inefficient) on smooth terrain. the current state of development in super capable terrain eating machines (enduro, awesome short travel trail 29ers process 111, the new evil 29er) just dosnt jive with super smooth flow track that best can be handled by xc machines (cyclocross?) I like the challenge of technical terrain other wise Id just buy a commuter bikes and just check out the soccer moms on my local bike path.
  • 1 0
 Both types require different skills. I on sighted all of lower wbp double black tech in a day on my trail bike it wasn't until I went to ride crank it up that I had a reality check. I realized Ive been riding gnarly fall line hiking trails all my life but don't know how to take air. For the record it's all good, just don't host a race on a flow trail like fernie alpine resort did last night. The lines are ment for a certain speed to transition smoothly.
  • 1 0
 As a former dirt jumper who gets the DH bike out a couple of times a year, flow trails have massive appeal. Blasting down a smooth swoopy trail with big jumps in a train with your buddies is one of the best parts of mountain biking as far as I'm concerned!
  • 3 1
 I'm not a fan of DH pump tracks. True DH for me is technical, fast, rocky and rooty. There's a place for both but when bike parks start closing tech trails and replacing them with flow trails, I get cranky.
  • 6 2
 Rightly so. Looking at the two photos of trail.. Is it fair to say the simple answer is that one photo is a mountain bike trail and the other is a... bmx track? All I see in this article is that mountain biking has got so diluted now that there's even a valid debate about whether you like 'bumps' on your 'mountain'. If you like the look of the trail on the right and aren't either a) a beginner, b) injured/disabled, or c) on a jump bike or similar.. Then I reckon you've kinda missing the point of mountain bikes and should get a hybrid and hit the towpaths.
  • 3 2
 Opening natural trail in a bikepark means that it will erode rather quickly so you would lose it anyways.
  • 1 0
 I keep reading that tech trails are being "replaced" or "dumbed down". At my local trails (built over a strip mine abandoned in the early 1900's) there were rocks/roots everywhere and the trail was less than 1' wide. Since the popularity of f/s 29ers and especially fatties and the ever increasing amount of riders, the trails have seen most of the rockiest sections beaten into submission, the roots pulverized, the corners blown out and the trail is now 2' wide. I'm sure nobody was out there removing the rocks or filling in the g-outs, it just happened due to over-use and the larger bikes in vogue today.
TLDR: fatties ruined my trails
  • 2 1
 I was so psyched when I moved to Utah and got my first taste of flow trails. They are fun, no doubt about it. But now I find myself bored with the available riding because too many trails are neutered. In fact most of the trails are either too smooth or rutted crap. There are exceptions, but they are often short or require a ton of climbing. Park city is full of stuff that is just smooth. Corner canyon has one trail that isn't a baby bottom. Eagle mountain is far better, but the trails are short and require a lot of climbing. I look forward now to finishing up school and moving to a place with some technical trail.
  • 1 0
 Eagle Mountain does not have much climbing at all.
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 I agree that it doesn't have a lot of altitude, which means to ride for 10 miles you have to climb the thing 3-5 times, which is a lot of climbing. 400 ft 5 times is more than 1800 once: more climbing than draper.
I guess it is only true of you are riding the am or dh trails. The xc trail just goes up and down into the wild brown yonder.
  • 1 1
 I guess you're right if you're only spinning one lap in Corner Canyon (Draper). One lap in CC only yields about 8 miles. Many people will spin 3 or 4 laps there on a ride and sample more of the trails. Three laps at CC (3 x 1,400 ft = 4,200) would be over 4k of climbing. Three laps at Eagle Mountain equals about 1,200' of climbing.

Both areas are fun, but the scope of the riding between the two are not even close to comparable...
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 don't measure in laps if you want climbing since laps at eagle are smaller. measure in miles. You can get as much climbing as you want, but the trick is getting as much descending as you want. Eagle's too short so you only get a brief descent before climbing again. (which was my point).

Let me break it down: to ride for 8 miles at eagle you have to climb the hill 3-4 times which stinks. To do the same distance at draper you only climb it once. Yes the amount of climbing may be the same, but uninterupted descending is what I want, and the places that have that are mostly flow trails around here. Canyons in Park City has some better longer trails, but that is driving a lot more and paying a lot more, which aren't options for me.
  • 2 0
 Eagle Mountain is tiny. I'm not sure what point you are trying to make, but if you are limited to riding Eagle Mountain because you cannot make the 15 minute drive to CC or American Fork, I guess things could be worse. I like long, uninterupted descents too. I don't think you're alone on that one. Sounds like you need to do some more exploring...
  • 1 1
 Eagle has more technical riding, but it is tiny. That is the problem with northern Utah. It is either a flow trail or it is tiny. There are a few exceptions. I find I repeat myself a lot when talking to you, which is odd because this is all in writing. Couldn't you just read the above over again if you don't remember what I said before?
  • 1 0
 Sounds like the problem may be more your reluctance to leave the safe confines of "Happy Valley."

If you think all 400+ miles of singletrack in the PC area alone are buffed smooth, all I can say is you need to expand your horizons a little bit and maybe venture beyond the Bermuda Triangle that is Armstrong>MM>Spiro.

Don't get me wrong, the 1 mile long Flintstone trail IS fun and techy, but in the scope of the riding here it is really only worthwhile December thru February.

All the best man, and thanks for "breaking it down" for me...
  • 1 0
 You are right. Squaw peak has some awesome techy riding. I just wish it was the norm. I hear there is some awesome stuff in Payson too. I just really don't like that smooth buff stuff seems to be taking over the sport.
  • 4 1
 if its all flow you may as well ride a rigid single speed fat bike. you need a mix of both - there is a reason the UK makes the best downhillers
  • 1 0
 I think smooth trails are a great feature but they've been identified as a means to make the sport more accessible - bit like plus wheels. Tech trails develop real skills, if you look at the best mountain bikers in the world, they all thrive in technical conditions - ultimately that's what MTB is, riding on technical terrain. Flow trails are a nice feature that compliment the gnarl.
  • 1 0
 I think we need both. Flow trails are fun, tech trails are fun, natural fall line descents down rocky screes are fun. The best thing is variety. I would love to have some A-line style trails around here but I wouldn't give up the natural trails we have to get them. I guess I am greedy, I want both.
  • 1 0
 If a 'flow trail' is built well it can be as gnarly or as mellow as the rider chooses. The blues and red at BPW have some pretty large gaps in em if you're going fast enough and will make use of 160mm travel quite easily. It might not be rough but you still need a lot of skill and balls to ride those trails flat out. And the great thing is if you're not so gnarly you can still ride em and have a blast.
  • 4 3
 The pinkbikke crowd claims to love roots, but the most popular trails in the world are all root and rock free. We built a flowy 'man made' trail at our local hill, and it gets 4 times the traffic any of the tech trails do. Go figure.
  • 1 0
 I like both, but I'll admit I'm not skilled enough for stuff that's massively 'techy' (should that be 'natural'?).
There's not a great deal of purpose built stuff down the South East UK that I know of so the number of times I've been to a trail centre I can count one hand. As a result most of my riding is to/from my front door.

The flow trail stuff is more appealing, despite not really having ridden much of either although for context I'm still fairly inexperienced, I ride a rigid singlespeed for general mountain biking and a dirt jump bike for having a laugh/jumping around etc.
  • 1 0
 What a stupid poll... There should've been more options. My favorite trails are the ones that are mostly fast and flow with some tech spots mixed in. Technical is fun, but here in Arizona almost all of our trails are tech to some degree. So, getting to ride buttery smooth dirt trails is a rare treat for us!!!
  • 1 0
 I've noticed I enjoy trails way more when they are wide enough to see through corners and pick multiple lines- whether it's flow or tech.

That being said; when you have technical stuff that's cleared wide it all turns into a flow trail because you can pick your lines. Seeing a clean, wide trail and all your options makes you way more confident so naturally it just keeps getting ridden faster and faster...



Mmmmm.

Flow trails are dope too though, I just feel kinda dirty riding em ... Like I stole something hahahah
  • 1 0
 Variety is key. Also, there are trails that are both tech and flowy. Where I live most are of the rocky tech type, so I enjoy the odd fast, smooth section. Having access only to groomed trails would be boring though. Off course you can always try riding faster. On the edge of control nothing is boring.
  • 1 0
 Personally I like trails that mix flow and gnar together like Espresso on Fromme, Ahab and Portal in Moab, and Hiline in Sedona to name some popular ones.


As others have said, it takes time to learn flow on techy trails, for example I consider Millagrosa in Tucson to be very flowy, but it took a while for me to get there, you have to learn to maintain speed over the chunk.


Stuff that's not flowy has abrupt uphills, low grades, or sharp, abrupt corners. I find some of my local "flow" trails (Heil Ranch) not very flowy, because the grade is so low that it ruins the flow and you have to pedal a bunch.
  • 1 0
 I like to get warmed up on some flowy stuff. Then, once my brain is working in sync with my body I ride tech stuff the rest of the day and find my flow there. I'm no big time rider but I love it all. Tech makes you a better rider and flow makes you smile.
  • 2 1
 Too bad those results don't reflect what I see being built. People without riding skills, or much time in the sport being "certified" by other donkeys on how and what to build. My local trail of 11 years ruined by these politics of flow and bring in new people. All while dumbing down any new trails. Steep,tech and fast with large jumps. Work your way up. Don't dumb it down for "visitors" of the sport. Ride to live, live to Ride and newbys go back to what you were doing before you got involved and ruined new trails with the "dumb it down movement". Truth hurts. Ouch!
  • 2 1
 Snow Summit is doing everything in its power to take any kind of natural element out of its trails. The result is a fun fast ride that gets boring after about three runs. I watch the WC runs and just wish that I could find a spot like some of these places. Great rock sections, great flow parts = great fun. Its weird but true that with most parks you have to choose one or the other.
  • 1 0
 I don't mind a bit of tech, mixed in with berms, rollers, jumps, drops, is pretty much perfect for me. I've ridden it all over the years, so it's nice to pick'n choose what I ride these days. Somedays i'll just ride tech, it scares me sometimes but it keeps my skill level up. My eyes light up tho' when there's jumps!!
  • 1 0
 Give me flow. I've been riding slow to get to the top, I've worked those steps, made it through the loose stuff, and now I want to go fast. I want to hit some jumps and berms. When entering the rock garden, I get on edge, I think about consequences and being thrown to the ground on pointy rocks could mean I'm off my bike for weeks.When exiting the rock garden, its always a phew, I made it. Exiting a jump line and I'm pumped and want to do it again. I don't want to see tech removed, I just choose different trails.
  • 1 0
 I disagree with the pump track and flow trails parallel.

Pump tracks are great for building skills, while flow trails don't require that much skills to be ridden. The key is applying pumptrack techniques to crunchy trails on a full suspension bike.

I love riding pump track on a BMX and I love riding technical trails. I ride flow trails also because they're unavoidable but it's like eating at McDonald's: it can be fun once in a while, but riding flow trail only can make you feel sick! Smile
  • 2 0
 The best trails are those with multiple lines at varying degrees of gnar. Don't like that jump? don't hit that jump, take the bypass. You can take your less skilled buddies riding and not worry about missing all the gnar.
  • 1 0
 Flow is awesome but technical is killer. It requires a lot more skill and after a couple flow runs, it gets boring where as finding lines through rock gardens never gets old. I rode Downieville the other day and it was so tech but you find a nice flow too. A little bit of both is the best awnser
  • 1 0
 I'm exploring bike parks on my Tallboy LT, seven so far in Colorado and Idaho. Today was Keystone. Fantastic example of flow (80%) and tech with free-ride features thrown in. Best park (for my riding style) so far.

Another point, I'm not as fit as I could be, so the later in the day, the more I like flow.
  • 2 0
 Oh, well, is there any difference between a hiking path and a MTB path ??? Because where I live there's none. Find something that dives into the forest, point your bike and enjoy !!! Stop making noise. Dead Horse
  • 1 0
 It depends on the mood. I appreciate what my fellow riders have built and I also look forward to see what challenge mother nature has to offer. As long as we're on pedals.....it's all good!!!!
  • 1 0
 Here's a even better thought...

Achieve the fitness (and skill) to do both.

Ride Up, Chug a Beer Ride Down, Ride Up, Chug a Beer, Ride Down, and repeat as many times as your body lets you.
  • 1 1
 It comes down to whether you want to ride a trail that actually requires skills or one your grandmother could roll on her beach cruiser. One of my favorite local trails was recently dumbed down by the Flow Police to the point that I recently saw a skateboarder on it. Seriously. Stop ruining MTB trails and ride them as Mother Nature and God intended. Peace out.
  • 1 1
 "flow" shouldn't be determined by the trail it should be determined by the rider take greg minnars last world cup win smooth and flowy on a wc dh track. any rider can get flow out of a trail it just requires knowledge and skill's, Flow trails don't exist only skilled riders
  • 6 3
 false choice. ride trails. they're fun and we're lucky to have whatever we have.
  • 1 0
 You can make a flow trail or intermidiate trail technical for an advanced rider. Raise your speed and you will be challenged with more. However nothing will beat the technical challenge of a rooty, rock garden filled trail.
  • 5 1
 I don't care, just clear the branches out the way. And hold my beer.
  • 3 1
 Your comment is exactly how trails use to be built, the funding was beer, the building was as you said move the branches and ride. As time went on problematic rocks, roots, holes were dealt with. By problematic I mean the obstacle would routinely rip a derailleur of or limit reasonable travel even for the best of riders. What is considered a problem however has drastically changed over the years. All too often a rock or root that requires good line choice from the rider to bike with flow and speed are removed. The result being that all to many trails are denaturalised and processed into a flow trail for the masses. This style of trail maintenance has been executed so many times that truly technical flowy trails have become the dying breed. Thing is from what hear and read the avid mountain bike crowd and world cup crowd is asking for just the opposite.
  • 1 0
 As most other people no doubt, a trail encompassing both, maybe with tech on the run in to the first jump of the flow section so you have to work for it. Haggard flow trails are the worst though.
  • 2 0
 Some of my favorite trails are flow/tech combo. Chunder sections that mix between big berms and doubles. Like Tron at Sol Vista...
#momentum concepts
  • 5 1
 Flow trails on a 100mm slope bike is something special.
  • 3 0
 Do you actually need a mountain bike for a smooth flow trail? Some of the one's round here would be fun on a road bike...
  • 4 0
 Techflo techflo techflo techflo.
  • 2 1
 flow trails are boring with my DH bike, with short travel bikes they are really nice. tecnical trails are Mountain Biking, love that, if you dont like it go road biking that is nice also
  • 1 1
 I love that nearly everybody bitched about the poll as being "stupid" but there are already 150 comments like 30 minutes after it was posted. It's called "provocative" - the poll is a troll to get us to talk about riding styles. Flats vs clips, innovation vs retro, wood features at Rampage - easy pickings to get PB posters to start our cyber-preaching.

We desperately need Matt Dennison to chime in here with another brilliant satire of our sometimes-opposing tastes.

Oh - and I derive far more satisfaction from flowing through tech than from big jumps. Just no skinnies please (or at least give me a p-line around them).
  • 1 0
 Rough natural trails often include slower riding where balance and bike handling become critical to clear sections .... love it ... also love rough and ragged technical single track climbs
  • 1 0
 When I lived in Santa Cruz I would choose the rocky trail (Dead Campers) every time. Now that I'm back on the east coast, a smooth section is a treat. As long as you are going downhill, you are doing things right.
  • 2 0
 Bike parky is fun but send me roots, rocks, ruts and off-camber sections any day.
  • 3 0
 Ideal world a mix of both
  • 1 0
 rocks and roots are a little better than flow but if i was riding with no one i would choose the flow trail because it is not as hard an the teck lines
  • 1 0
 Depends which trails. Usually i would say natural, but in Bikepark Geisskopf, Germany, the flow trail is so damn perfect I can't stop riding it.
  • 1 0
 Come on, PB. The answer is both. I am off to Are bikepark in a week and I can't wait to ride the superflow of Flinnbanan AND all the gnar up top!
  • 2 0
 love it rough mostly, but then love them smooth berms and floaty jumps too. I would be sad If I couldn't ride both
  • 1 0
 Combo of both obviously. Pretty short sighted approach the question. I love flowy stuff and that would by my favourite to session but techy stuff is also fun.
  • 1 0
 Only technical is not fun, but only flow is boring. I like the mix of both on one trail. Poll needs one more answer option ;D
  • 3 0
 A mixture of both. Like schleyer
  • 3 0
 Raw and technical all the way Smile
  • 1 0
 Nothing like natural obstacles and riding the mountain as it is. Kinda like skiing/boarding. I prefer trees, natural bumps way over a snowboard park.

either way...JUST RIDE IT! : )
  • 1 0
 As much fun as I have on our flowy XC trails here in Ohio, the technicalities of Vultures Knob are killer. This are the best trails I have ever ridden in my few years.
  • 2 0
 I like everything that's thrown at me but if I had to choose, I would go left.
  • 1 0
 The more purpose-built, smooth, lift-accessed, homogenized runs that are built, the ‘techier’ our local trails (San Gabriel Mountains for us) will stay. Build away!
  • 2 0
 I think that if you do a poll you shouldn't start by picking which one you prefer. Biased results for sure.
  • 2 0
 1 trail has jumps. 1 does not. I can't believe 7000 people would rather ride a trail without jumps!
  • 1 0
 perfect trail = steep, rocks, roots, chutes, drops, jumps ,berms, hero dirt & a hot bikini babe handing you an ice cold beer at the end.
  • 1 0
 I do really like crunchy trails, but were I live, there's only technical trails and I'm kinda getting sick of them. So I ended up choosing smooth.
  • 1 0
 Rocks and Roots please. Straight flow trails can get a little boring. I can make flow out of a techy trail... just have to make it happen.
  • 2 0
 Both. Bike park Wales hits the mark.
  • 1 0
 Flow comes from the rider as much as the trail. A skilled rider makes anything look smooth.
  • 1 0
 Before they tore down bear mountain and replaced it with a lame groomer it was the best of both worlds...
  • 2 0
 Our sport is called mountain biking, not bike park biking.
  • 2 0
 No question, tech is where its at
  • 1 0
 listen to some more death metal as technology improve so you can smooth landing.
  • 2 0
 I like trails I can ride my bike on. Jumping is fun, so are rocks.
  • 2 0
 Cant enjoy nature if nature has been "smoothed out".
  • 1 0
 I would flip a coin, cause my dreamtrail would have smooth parts with waves and berms aswell as roots and rockgardens.
  • 3 2
 For me, flowy jump trails are more fun to build than tech, so I end up riding more of them. Simple as that.
  • 4 3
 That's because we don't build tech trails... nature does.
  • 3 0
 Not sure where you ride but here to have a tech trail means sawing branches, digging out roots, digging and putting rocks in where necessry. Thats a lot of building
  • 3 1
 Ride up the technical one then ride back down the flow. Is that an option?
  • 3 0
 I can't answer....
  • 2 1
 you're not alone ! polls are getting really interesting these days !
  • 2 1
 Build tech, Freeride trails! No wait, someone might get hurt! So let's build flow trails instead!
  • 2 0
 there is no this or that!
  • 3 2
 I prefer riding uphill on flow trails while asserting my god given right that downhill riders must yield.
  • 5 1
 You can't rely on God... He never turns up at court.
  • 3 0
 Both.
  • 2 0
 I like it crunchy just like my peanut butter
  • 1 0
 My question wouldn't be "flow or technical", it would be "natural or man made". I like my trail to be natural, as it is.
  • 2 0
 Every trail is a flow trail if you hit it fast enough.
  • 1 0
 If you're riding your bike offroad I don't think it matters whats under you
  • 2 0
 Why not have both?

I like both.
  • 2 1
 where i live there are very few manicured trails, so whenever i find a flow trail i try to ride it
  • 1 0
 love the tech personally. This discussion has no end though. I hope PB has enough paper for all this 'feedback'….
  • 1 0
 There needs to be a third option, am I in the mood for fast and hard or slow and smooth?
  • 2 0
 the older one gets, the more flow one needs
  • 1 0
 flow with big jumps is great and some technical to bring in another aspect is a good time too
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 Learning the skills of MTB in the Andes mountains in Chile, there's only one way, the rockgarden way, cheers
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 I ride flow trails when at the bike park because that's what you paid for.
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 I answered right but I would probably push back up and ride the other one too.
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 I like the option of both. Nothing ruins rides like too much regularity. Mixing it up is where its at for me.
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 Flow trails suck.
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 they are not mutually exclusive options. bad poll is bad.
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 A balance of both please.
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 I Love Both. I always switch things up to improve my skills, but most importantly, to keep on having fun.
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 Flow trails are gay. Gay means happy. Happy masses on flow trails. Perfect. No one on my favourite gnar trails. be happy people. Ride the flow trails.
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 I like trails just how I like my peanut butter.
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 I like a equal mix of both. I would say the best time of my life was on a flow trail though. (Coast gravity park)
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 Somewhere in between... flow trails with some tech aspects are my choice. Or moderately techy XC trails.
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 No brainer..... Rough, rooty, techy lines everytime
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 The cycle:
Imagine it,
design it,
build it,
ride it,
change it,
Ride it
love it!
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 fast, flow, technical, jumpS... 0 pleasure with crunchy trail.
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 a mixture of both
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 Yup! Ride bikes!
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 Flow all day long, probably because it's all technical here where i live.
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 Please stop buffing out all the fun.
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 Ya'll are lost, uphill flow is where it's at
  • 1 0
 I like to fhritp as often as I can. any way I can get it.
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 extra crunchy.
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 extra chunky multiday on a hardtail for ya' health
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 I go right IN THE MIDDLE ! that choice is impossible seriously ! According to me a real mtb trail has to contain a bit of everything ! It's like PB was asking us that if you had to race ONE track for the rest of your life and that we had to chose between the A-LINE and the top of the world. Both are sick you can't make us do this horrible choice! Smile
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 Fuck machine built flow trails.
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 basicly just asking if you like bike park or natural
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 Both. And mixed up.
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 Crunchy and damp. Kinda like my ex
  • 2 0
 I like both
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 Super technical!
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 I only ride bark.
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 Screw flow trails! You've ridden one, you've ridden them all!
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 Give me both and I'll bring two bikes.
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 If you want flow, ride bmx. Natural mountains have no smooth shit.
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 All trails are good trails
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 That sir is a false statement.
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 make my Trail Crunchy like a tall Crunchy Skippy Peanutbutter
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 Flow trails or rocks/roots? Yes.
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 Also depends on what kind of bike you have a little bit.
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 Lol, everyone in the comment section is trying to act like purist.
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 Wheres the "ride one then ride the other" option?
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 Why not good trails? Good tech and good flow trails are both rare.
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 y not both?
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 O.D.B. Like's it raw !!!
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 Free ride is just more fun I never found the same enjoyment in doing tech
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 What a garbage can poll
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 gnar u silly biyches
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 The great debate!
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 Rocks belong. :>
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 EXTRA CRISPY YES PLEASE
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 What a load of kak.
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