A decade earlier there would be no question: if you shuttled downhill trails, hucked to flat, rode bike parks and hit the big jump lines, you wore a full face helmet, baggy pants, probably used flat pedals, and you rode a downhill bike. Today, you are likely to see a substantial number of riders hitting the same trails and features clipped in, wearing half-shell lids, tailored-looking kits, and riding all-mountain bikes.
The easy explanation would be that the recent push to build ultra-capable enduro racing bikes has improved the performance of the genre to the point where, in capable hands, they can match the performance of a DH bike in every aspect shy of World Cup competition and the Red Bull Rampage. Why buy a dedicated gravity design that requires pushing or lift assistance, if I can get the same downhill performance from a bike that actually pedal well uphill?
In theory, that may be true, but the extra four pounds of material that goes into a downhill bike raises questions pertaining to the long-term survival of enduro riders who dare invade the sanctuary of big bikes. Beyond the obvious, however, there may be more compelling reasons for riders who would normally have chosen a DH bike to opt instead, for a long-travel all-mountain model.
One reason is the expectation that comes with ownership. DH has matured to the point where if you toss a Santa Cruz V10c into the shuttle truck, it would be fair to assume that you will be hitting all the big features on the trail. Show up with a Santa Cruz Bronson, however, and you would be scrutinized less harshly. You would probably be expected to be a good bike handler, but there would be no assumptions beyond that. If you are feeling it, you can go big. If not, few observers would give your performance a second thought.
And, there's the economy of having one bike that can supply a full dose of downhill adrenaline and double as your go-to trail whip. To get the most from a DH bike, you can't compromise much of anything, so it's going to be an expensive purchase however you look at it. Spend a similar figure on an enduro bike and you are essentially getting two high-end machines for the price of one.
Bringing the subject full circle, there is much truth in the saying that any device designed to do multiple tasks will never be able to do any one of them well. You may or may not aspire to be invited to the next Rampage, or World Cup DH, but that doesn't alter the fact that a downhill bike is the best choice for riding downhill. If you are a gravity rider, you probably should be honest about it. So, today's poll question is:
Your kid is 4 months over due for bmx.
Fo' real owlie. Saw some old lady riding back from the market today on her red session.
This statement is complete nonsense: you cannot get the same downhill performance from an AM bike as one designed for downhill, in my experience the fastest bike on a downhill track is a downhill bike.
Miss ya bud, WV has got me on that Enduro bike grind lol.
Miss you too boo boo! Haha
That´s what all my "enduro convert" friends keep telling me.
They have been constantly riding slower each year since :-P
It comes down to trade-off and I feel you become severely more restricted with a DH-only rig vs. a capable AM bike. If you ride only park and shuttles and have access all the time to that, its a different situation but I feel that's a small segment of riders.
Yeah, a 19lb xc weapon and a dh race rig, for the price of one!!! No. Idiocy here as well. You are getting a trailbike, so unless you bought a Bionicon, I don't see a "two for one".... and even then it still sounds like marketing sweet talk
Obviously the AM is way better when I have to pedal "flat"hill. I never pedal uphill ahah.
I ride lots of DH tracks on my (slacked out) Capra and I rarely feel I'd need more travel, when riding with my friend (national level DH racer) on his Gambler we are usually really close. I tend to be a bit quicker around tight turns and on super techy stuff, while he pulls away on the really fast stuff but this might also be down to our backgrounds (BMX vs MX).
I own both a DH and AM/Enduro... I show up to the trail with not a care in the world what anyone else thinks. If I look like a fool because I ride my DH bike half as well as the 9 year old riding an enduro, so be it. If owning a DH bike makes you automatically and assumably hit the biggest drops, then I guess i should get rid of mine. But i wont, because I ride to have fun. I think its awesome when i see a 9 year old fly past me. And I feel more comfortable on my DH bike in the parks than I do on my AM.
This seems like a common theme among enduro converts though.
"Looking down" on dh-bike riders to make themselves feel superior because a) they can ride it on their AM too, and b) because you´re not even utilizing that DH bike to it´s full potential.
The constant teasing of friends to "bring your enduro bike, not your dh bike" to a park trip and "this trail is so much more fun on the enduro!" comments are really infuriating at times.
Why the hell would i not use my dedicated park bike in the bike park? Just so i can fit in with the enduro bros?! Also i just went way faster than you on that trail! And yes, i had tons of fun on my dh-bike!
So amen brother! Let´s just all continue to ride our bikes as long as we have fun doing it.
I´ll also happily continue wearing my bright TLD race pajamas while taking the chicken line around that monster drop, without a care in the world what others think about me! :-P
THIS!
Have fun. Give not a sh!t what others think.
500 hundred dollar helmet, neck brace, no gloves/ no elbow pads..............
classic.
preach it, preach!
does not compute
Anyone who says a modern "enduro" bike blurs lines between DH and AM is either not going fast, or doesn't have burly enough features to warrant a dual crown.
I LOVE my SC nomad, but one a to b comparison with a DH and its night and day how much less twitchy the front end is at speed.
Preach it!
If i got a penny for every guy bragging on mtb forums about how his new enduro is so much more capable than his 10 year old Kona Stinky...
DH rigs are utterly sublime, but spending $4000/£2500 x 2 for a used DH rig and a used all mountain rig seems a little insane, when you could just spend $5000/£3500 and get 90% of both.
It's a shame, but in 5-10 years, I can see DH bikes being like dirt jump bikes - mostly used in competition and that's about it.
If I rode DH more than 6 weekends a year, I'd definitely buy one.
But as-is, I'll continue to use my all-mountain bike at parks and resorts.
Now even more so, having moved to Finale Ligure.
no, it's a just a case of the grass is always greener... and so on.
I'm willing to settle for worse food and and less editing trails. Or better just go to Finale as a tourist
I bought the DH anyway and stick to shuttling. Soon I'll be able to replace the enduro bike, but until then the skiing is a fantastic distraction.
The way I see it, one of the downsides of the rise of the enduro segment is that true DH tracks, the ones nobody really wants to touch except with full armor and 8-10" of travel, are getting neglected. It's hard to justify riding the DH bike all the time when you can pedal to the top of the trail on an "enduro bike" really quickly nowadays and hit stuff almost as hard as you would on a DH bike.
Having said that, there are definitely talented guys who are riding those trails on trailbikes, and doing it about as fast as they used to on DH sleds. But overall, I think many of those kinds of trails are getting a lot less use and may someday be gone.
Anyone who says a modern "enduro" bike blurs lines between DH and AM is either not going fast, or doesn't have burly enough features to warrant a dual crown.
I LOVE my SC nomad, but one a to b comparison with a DH and its night and day how much less twitchy the front end is at speed.
Pretty simple right? but then again how big do you go off jumps, flats and hucks? How old or crazy are you still? and do you want a bike that can handle anything your willing to hit?
I have a Reign and love it, but have a strong desire to own a big bike, and to suit my riding style and the places I love to ride. Downhill it is. So on my Christmas list this year is a 2017 Glory Advanced 0.
I had to answer DH since you frame it as Park/lift access primary, but choosing DH does rule out ANY pedal accessed trail riding.
Now if I could only have 1 bike, it would be something like a Norco Range.
I went for the "enduro" bike as a good way to get my fitness up and develop the essential skills for gravity riding. Maybe one day in the future i will decide a DH bike is the next step.
Pretty simple right? but then again how big do you go off jumps, flats and hucks? How old or crazy are you still? and do you want a bike that can handle anything your willing to hit?
I have a Reign and love it, but have a strong desire to own a big bike, and to suit my riding style and the places I love to ride. Downhill it is. So on my Christmas list this year is a 2017 Glory Advanced 0.
don't believe it kids they just trying to kill off DH
Careful, i don't deny DH rig are best than Enduro bike for DH, but if you are a fine pilot and wanna tackle any trail and ride any kind of trail, Enduro bikes are the way to go.
"Why you need a downhill bike; when you're not racing downhill" conversation...
Buying an "all mountain" bike is better received, when going though the chief financial officer.
So really its all preference and where you live and ride really.
I now have a 2017 Giant Reign Advanced and could not be any happier. my solution. the two times i go ride bike park a year i'll just rent a sick trek so i don't beat my bike up. but the reign in the bike park is also rad
either way most of us can't afford a high end bike for every decipline.
True the trails are a bit tame but that was the first season, support it and I am sure it will grow.....
YUP but you don't see my point, buying downhill bikes are dead. i could ride everything with ease on my giant reign lol, everyone's so butt hurt i said downhills dead but in reality they are making trail bikes so good these days they can handle most DH.
buying Downhill bikes are dead *
No "Both" option for this poll.
If there was something I could do on a dh bike that I can't on an enduro then I'd be more interested.
Oh and those who care how they look whilst riding are probably still virgins. 15 yr old Shropshire kids who's daddy buys them a new v10cc every year. (In fluorescent pink)
You ride DH. Which bike would you ride?
A tricycle
Or an enduro bike.
Poll brought to you by the marketing agency for the bike industry
Run what you brung. #runwhatyoubrung
I'd consider a trail bike to replace my hard tail because I think I could get longer ride times out of it on XC trails but that's a lot of money for me to spend on something that's not guaranteed so I just save my pennies and keep riding my 8 year old DH bike.
Why? I wanted to descend, but I also wanted to be able to pedal the bike as well. I still have the AnthemX and it's great for cardio, but the Enduro leads to adventure and fun.
Actually I ride my 2009 Demo with a totem fork and 9spd cassette. I also sometimes ride it uphill (slowly). It is almost as light as my jeep. I am certain that a decent new AM bike would be way better all the way around. I do have fun though.
5yrs away give or take lol
Uhh, no, there isn't. Devices designed to do multiple tasks can do every single one of them well. They MAY not be the BEST, but often they can do everything intended more than well enough. Tell your statement to any of the great multi-tools out there, or the Nissan GTR, or smartphones or desktop PCs that are better at gaming than consoles, better at calculating than calculators & better @ playing movies/music than a home theater etc. etc.
How about the MTB in general? It's as multi-purpose as a bicycle can get. The reason why the MTB dominates the world is because of that versatility that no other vehicle can match. It does the road well, it does off-road well, it does every discipline 90% (or more) as good as any other & a proper long travel w/a solid SC fork & a good drivetrain will do DH @ 98% of a full DH.
Yeah so you snap your fork instead of your head tube, why's one better than the other? I'll take versatility when all other things are equal, which they pretty much are in this case. All we're talking about now is 20mm of travel, gear ratios, DC vs. SC forks & maybe a dropper post & sus' lockout. All can be interchanged between the two. Some companies use the same frame for both. It's the same shit more or less at this point. Buy a DH & you can still easily turn it into a climber.
Kinda hard not to want a Dorado or an Emerald though.
www.pinkbike.com/buysell/2092577
Maybe they should of inserted this poll after the video of Conor Mcfarlane ripping in his "Trailbike" on every terrain.PROOF!!!
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