Red Bull Rampage 2014: Gully's Prototype Rocky Mountain

Sep 26, 2014
by Mike Levy  

RED BULL

BIKE CHECK ~ GULLY'S ROCKY MOUNTAIN

RAMPAGE


Geoff Gulevich s Rocky Mountain


THE SMURF MASSACRE

It's not a secret that Rocky Mountain has been working on a new downhill bike platform for a few years now, but Gulevich competing at Rampage is among the first times that one of their team riders has attended a major event on the yet to be named bike. In fact, it's been three years since Rocky decided to go in a different direction than their Flatline, and while the industry wide move to 27.5'' wheels that came part way through this bike's development is surely one of the reasons for the long lead time, Rocky is adamant that there's more to it than that. ''We decided to use this bike's development to research some dramatically different theories and approaches compared to what other people are doing, as well as what we've done in the past, and we knew that would take longer than a typical product development cycle,'' they explained when I prodded what the hold up was. ''We have two new patents pending from this project, and we're confident that both the bike and the learning we've done with it will have been worth the wait. It'll be available when it's ready.''

And what will the new machine be called? Your guess is as good as ours, but Gully's custom painted bike, done up by PaintHouse Customs, is affectionately knows as 'Smurf Massacre' for pretty obvious reasons. Word is that only a handful of actual Smurfs were sacrificed in order to get the bike's unusual look. It was clearly worth it.

Geoff Gulevich s prototype Rocky Mountain at the Red Bull Rampage
Geoff Gulevich s prototype Rocky Mountain at the Red Bull Rampage


Although not eager to share much when it comes to the details, Rocky did reveal to me that Gully's bike is one of twenty one different ridable prototypes that have come out of their machine shop in Vancouver, with four different takes on rate curves, wheel paths, geometries, wheel sizes, pivots and other design points. ''We've worked hard to improve pedalling and square-edge performance, among other things'', they said, while also making it clear that the bike could sport some interesting geometry when it does become available. ''We've also been honing in on pretty progressive geometry, and working on some developments around braking - allowing you to brake less and later.'' Vanderham is said to have had the biggest influence on the bike's design so far, which not only bodes well for the freechuckers out there, but also the racers. ''He's been an ideal partner in the project because he's insanely fast - he's actually placed well at World Cups and World Champs, and also has the freeride skills to push the bike super hard.'' So, no excuses for you racers out there who are on the bike in the future, then.

Gulevich has gotten on the bike more recently, just within the last couple of months, but Rocky says that one of their engineers has actually made the trip down to Rampage to rig his bike up with data acquisition equipment, with the aim being to gather information in one of the most extreme settings that a bike can ever see. Rocky actually did acknowledge that the final product could look nothing like the bike you see here, and that the test mules, including Gully's bike, are exactly that: mules for the sole purpose of evaluating ideas.
bigquotesThe Flatline has been a great bike for us over the years, but we definitely wanted to do more with our new bike than stuffing bigger wheels into an existing design and calling it the next big thing. We have two new patents pending from this project, and we're confident that both the bike and the learning we've done with it will have been worth the wait. - Brian Park, Rocky Mountain



SUSPENSION

The prototype bike might have been seen in public many times by now, with it even breaking cover during the feeding frenzy that is Crankworx, yet Rocky Mountain is still not overly keen to share too much beta about it. And understandably so, especially given that much of what you're looking at here could change by the time it reaches production, but there's also the competition to keep in mind - no direct side shots allowed because those would let rivals work out important suspension details. The threat of a little industrial espionage isn't going to keep us from speculating, though, is it?

Geoff Gulevich s prototype Rocky Mountain at the Red Bull Rampage


Rocky's tight-lipped approach even extends to how much travel the bike has, although one wouldn't exactly be going out on a limb to assume that it has somewhere between eight and ten inches out back, and I'd lean more towards it being closer to double digits than single. As far as adjustments go, there are a few things for Gully to tinker with, but those don't have anything to do with travel according to Rocky: ''We can tell you that the adjustments on Gully's bike have almost no effect on the suspension travel,'' they explained. Geometry and rate curves changes are what we're looking it, surely, and the two-position axle design is likely employed to accommodate both 26'' and 27.5'' wheels, although it's likely more complicated than just dropping in a different wheel size when you want to change things up. A closer look at the lower shock mount shows that it appears to use a square shaped insert that would allow for many different geometry options, similar to Rocky's Ride-9 system on their shorter travel machines that lets riders roughly preserve the bike's geometry while still letting them alter the suspension rate, or vice versa. Whether this setup will be on the production bike is a question that we couldn't get answered, but we wouldn't be all that surprised to learn that it was only used for development purposes. Then again, maybe not.

One thing that Rocky Mountain can't deny is the use of bushings at the suspension pivots, all of which seem to be up-sized versions of their Angular Bushing Concept (ABC) pivots found elsewhere in their lineup. Made up of two angled contact surface polymer bushings and tapered aluminum hardware, the ABC pivots are said to provide a more rigid interface than what a sealed bearing could ever dream of, which should make for a much more torsionally rigid frame, and they also save weight over a more commonly used sealed bearing system. We've actually heard whispers about a version of the bike being overly stiff, and we suspect that part of the prototype's long lead time is down to Rocky working on nailing the sort of ride characteristics that they're looking for. ''Gully's test mule actually has bearings in his main pivot on an oversized version of the expanding collet system we introduced with the Thunderbolt MSL,'' is what I was told when I asked if it was bushings all around, although they've been evaluating a number of different options when it comes to pivots.''Having a full fabrication and prototyping shop here in North Van lets us do these sorts of fast turnaround, back-to-back comparisons.''

Geoff Gulevich s prototype Rocky Mountain at the Red Bull Rampage


A prototype bike that's going to be ridden off of cliffs at Rampage certainly deserves some custom tuned suspension, right? For sure, which is why Gully's Manitou Dorado Pro and Revox Pro shock have both been been massaged to deal with the next-level impacts that make up every line at the event. The Revox's base tune was developed though much testing in Whistler, and that, combined with the expected Rampage rowdiness, has added up to a two-stage, medium firmness shim stack that's mounted to a custom piston head. There's also a max charge in the shock's piggyback, with Maxima's 3wt oil used for the re-build. As for the Dorado fork, it's closer to stock than you might assume: the standard shim stack has been left alone, with a reduced air volume to create more ramp-up through the stroke being the only update. The result, I've been told, is a setup that, while being ready for some serious sending, doesn't sacrifice the open and supple feel the Gully prefers.

Geoff Gulevich s Rocky Mountain

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121 Comments
  • 113 11
 looks like a trek and an ellsworth had a baby
  • 34 68
flag jarrod801 (Sep 26, 2014 at 15:08) (Below Threshold)
 yeah anything that looks like an ellsworth is Fugly!! this is one ugly ride!!
  • 52 5
 With the looks of the ellsworth - here's to hoping that at least it got its performance from the Trek.
  • 8 1
 HAHAHA Thats exactly what I thought.
  • 13 4
 looks like a retake on a Iron Horse Sunday...
  • 4 3
 Back in time, they did a lot better ;-)
www.pinkbike.com/photo/609604
  • 2 15
flag redcorn (Sep 26, 2014 at 15:42) (Below Threshold)
 Reminds me of an NS Fuzz.

m.pinkbike.com/photo/11460010
  • 6 0
 Honestly, the upper link isn't too long as in a Ellesworth. It reminds me more of the last model of RM Slayer, jus a bit bigger...
  • 5 8
 redcorn - the NS Fuzz looks like the commencal, not this bike..
  • 37 1
 Thank you for correcting me on what it reminds me of.
  • 4 13
flag KJP1230 (Sep 26, 2014 at 16:23) (Below Threshold)
 You're welcome - since the lines of the bike suspension does not look like the NS Fuzz. Before being a dick about it, trying looking at the NS Fuzz, Commencal and this bike and tell me which one doesn't belong.
  • 6 5
 big ugly arch over rear tire, massive rear link= ellsworth all the way
  • 12 16
flag redcorn (Sep 26, 2014 at 16:34) (Below Threshold)
 Kind of a little penis aren't ya KJP.
  • 7 10
 That must be it. I was simply trying to point out that if you are playing the "looks like a.." game then perhaps a better comparison would be the Commencal and NS. Especially since they have similar frame designs, suspension layouts, seat tubes and shock positions. This was not an attack on you, just contributing to the conversation.
  • 5 10
flag redcorn (Sep 26, 2014 at 17:01) (Below Threshold)
 Please accept my apology, I can't believe I was so fulish to point out that I thought it looked like a fuzz, I should have known you think it looks more like a commencal and said that instead.
  • 2 7
flag KJP1230 (Sep 26, 2014 at 18:19) (Below Threshold)
 No need to sarcastically apologize. For the sake of conversation, how interesting is it that this bike is similar to both the Commencal and NS Fuzz? Pretty neat.
  • 16 1
 Looks like a Prius to me
  • 4 4
 Where is the bacon
  • 2 0
 If you are from Eastern Canada, then you would have seen Matt Neilson rolling around on a version of this. Its no surprise of the change, but to say that its been hidden for quite some time is silly, especially when there have been a few of them floating around in more obscure parts of Canada that most people don't go to see dh races.
  • 2 0
 best trek ever!
  • 4 1
 Fundamental difference between this, and the Ellsworth- it's not a single pivot design. Looks like… an RM.
  • 3 0
 I know I'll get negative props but it almost reminded me of my 05 stab supreme. I loved that bike. This thing looks like a tank but I'm sure it is durable and rides good. Which will be good for the rampage. And I doubt it is a tank. I bet the weight is lighter than I think
  • 44 2
 Looks like a Jackson Pollock...
  • 32 0
 "Word is that only a handful of actual Smurfs were sacrificed in order to get the bike's unusual look. It was clearly worth it. "

Smurfs.
  • 23 2
 Listen, I don't comment on jack around here, but - please, just say no to "splatter" paint jobs. Let them stay dead with the early 90s.
  • 19 2
 I say this as someone who very much enjoys the feeling of a four-bar/FSR suspension layout: how many FSR bike companies do we need?

If I see one more quote from an engineer saying "We didn't want to just slap X sized wheels and call it innovative..." while simultaneously giving us a suspension platform fresh from the corpse of the FSR patent and claiming it is innovative...
  • 10 3
 Except its not an FSR, for starters the horst-link patent has expired. Secondly Rocky hasn't employed a horst like since the original edge mac-strut bikes in the early 90s. The Thunderbolt, Altitude, Slayer, Elements and Instincts all use variations of rocky's patented Smooth-link design. The most easily seen difference used to tell them apart (from FSRs and similar) is that the dropout pivot is ABOVE the axle center, not below it as on horst-link bikes.
  • 2 4
 anyone else wanna call out bullshit on this. It's *identical* to another canadian brand's implementation of the far design except the length of the above mentioned link is 1/2 inch shorter. They got a patent on this?!? Mind boggling. Hey, it worked for Giant vs. Weagle.. why not.
  • 4 1
 Another canadian brand? You mean norco who uses horst-links ? There's a difference in a dropout pivot below and above the axle, and it makes a difference in axle paths and which way the drivetrain might end up pulling the wheel.
  • 3 0
 A 4-bar or a horst link or one of the very many short dual links. What matters is axle path and shock leverage ratio.
So many companies can screw this up. I think RM has done enough testing to make this one right.
Does it not seem that so many people find the looks of a bike more important that the engineering?
  • 18 0
 Oh look a rocky mountain on a rocky mountain
  • 15 0
 Boo on the bushings.... all the RMs with bushing creak crazy, and the bushings can crack. Nobody cares about an extra 16 grams, just use bearings please!
  • 3 2
 Actually, my two older rockies that used cartridge bearings creaked like crazy too.
  • 5 0
 Some grease should fix that...
  • 4 0
 Not only that but they have loads of friction. I had two flatline frames and when you took the shock out and lifted the rear triangle it stayed there (with the back wheel off). Kind of makes low friction shock shafts pointless.
  • 4 0
 How about 1+1/8th internal H'set bearings for main pivots?
Cheap an easily available
Angled bearing should be stiff as
Super easy to change
  • 1 2
 Just like my06 idrive
  • 2 0
 Yeah because a bearing that weighs an ounce each is going to be a sensible choice (not to mention you then need a huge pivot axle) when you need 8 of them, let's just add half a pound in bearings to a frame.
  • 1 0
 bushings can crack, but bearing can wear quickly too. I had an ellsworth in which the bearings needed to be replaced after just one season.
  • 1 0
 Why would you need eight? There's two in a head set an look at the forces they deal with
  • 1 0
 Well main pivots on a 4-bar are really all the pivots... its not like a single-pivot linkage (konas) where the swingarm the wheel is attached to pivots directly from the main frame. On a true 4-bar the swingarm is what most would call the seat-strut, and its pivoted from the main frame by the upper and lower linkages.
  • 14 2
 I'm kinda sad to see this being a rocky Mountain fan for a long time (still riding an rmx) I loved the fact their bikes were a fare bit different in design than other companys
  • 1 5
flag loopie (Sep 26, 2014 at 16:09) (Below Threshold)
 Good God...I see I'm missing absolutely nothing by not waiting to see what the '15 DH RM would be before making my purchase (new ride in the stable a few days ago)
  • 2 2
 i own only rocky mountain , got the last two flatline models but this i totaly agree , i swear by rocky , but im swearing this one off .... seems like some big steps back and some huge gap in their usual beautiful designs. at least it wont be called flatline and tarnish the name.
  • 9 1
 Because the only thing that matters is how it looks
  • 3 3
 no and its very clear i didnt say that , i said big steps back AND huge gap in the usual looks they offer , the steps back being already outlined by many in this thread . so go troll someone dumber it aint working here . ps the OP didnt say that either ...
  • 9 1
 I feel like I am reliving what was innovative in 1996 again, uh, er but lighter and, uh, with wheel options and, uh, er with a FSR patent I hope final production comes in carbon, has a special offering of tweeker splat paint er I mean smurf massacre and costs 8-10k TOO!
  • 14 4
 looks like an old stab, not a fan of it. Hopefully it rides awesome! knowing rocky it will.
  • 8 3
 "High-pivot, 4-bar suspension didn't work very well in the early 2000's.....but have you tried it with 650b?" Wink
  • 2 2
 Paint job looks like the early 90s Kona Cinder Cone.
  • 2 1
 Its not a high-pivot, its a virtual pivot. Draw a line between the pivots of the upper and lower linkages (the chainstay is the lower one) forwards. If they intersect, that's the actual pivot point the wheel is arc'ing around. Like an Ellsworth though, the rocky smoothlink bikes have virtual pivot points WELL forward of the bike.
  • 1 0
 I believe the chain line is what should be used as the lower line. (*believe*)
  • 1 0
 Nope, its the line between the pivot points of the linkage.
  • 9 2
 I find it interesting that the rear axle has a hole for a 650b wheel literally a few mm above it, in a large vertical impact (possibly a few at rampage) this could lead to a stress path. I fail to see much in the way of innovation here, no floating shock, my specialized Pitch 2010 uses this exact lay out, just with different pivot placement you get different characteristics. Not saying it's not a great bike, but this mule doesn't bring anything new that I can see. Geometry refinement, fair enough, innovation, erm no.
  • 3 2
 I'm curious what the patents are for. The layout appears to be a direct copy of the Aurum, or a variation of any other fsr design. It does looks like a quality bike, but just not apparent what is unique about it.
  • 3 0
 Rocky's got patents already for the ETS-X design and the Smooth-link 4-bar which is evolved from the ETS-X. This new design will be an evolution from the smooth-link patent. They are NOT FSR copies. Rocky hasn't used a horst-link on their bikes since the mid-90s when the Edge mac-strut bikes were discontinued.
  • 1 0
 thanks for clarifying the subtle differences on another post on this page.
  • 6 0
 I love how people are saying it looks like a trek, but does the trek not look like a kona, does the kona not look like a raleigh dho, does the raleigh dho not look like a old turner 6 spot, does that not look like a... well you get the idea.
I likes and please with the raised swimgarm poistion. Long live rocky! I just want to see how the get the smurf blood and flesh to splatter so well Smile
  • 9 1
 "Vanderham is actually placed well at World Cups and World Champs....." fo real?
  • 2 1
 You serious?
  • 4 0
 I think he came 30th (ish) at MSA in 2010 for World Champs.
  • 2 0
 @natbrown yep serious cuz i ain't see his name on a UCI list for so long...... by the way Vanderham is a super talented rider with a lots of style
  • 1 0
 Sorry about the slow reply @Daddybear. I see that @jaydawg69 and @esstinkay have already answered essentially as I would have. Didn't think you were slagging Vanderham, just ignorant of the racing he's done. It has been a little while, but he's done better than any 'freerider' than I can think of besides Jordie Lunn. And, he's done very well considering it wasn't his focus when he did his most recent elite races in 2010.
  • 9 1
 I've been waiting to see this! Thanks PB!
  • 6 0
 Clearly no one read the part where it says "Rocky actually did acknowledge that the final product could look nothing like the bike you see here".
  • 2 0
 Yes, they are going to make the best bike they can that people want to ride right now, just like every other company out there. Hey maybe that's why they look alike, because that's the feel and characteristics everyone wants?
  • 4 0
 Horst Links. Horst Links everywhere. Enduro bikes with Horst Link are now possibly the most popular design, now DH Bikes are getting swamped with them. Specialized patent expired.
  • 9 3
 Gotta love all the professional bike designers on pinkbike.
  • 4 0
 And professional bike painters too...
  • 9 3
 hopefully this will be better than the crackline
  • 9 4
 "One thing that Rocky Mountain can't deny is the use of bushings at the suspension pivots"

Hmm.. next
  • 2 5
 Except they're proving that their new bushings work better... unless of course the bikes are maintained by morons of course, then no bearing exists that can survive stupidity.
  • 3 2
 A horst link four bar is is SOLID design. Glad to see a Rocky Mountain represent! Down tube looks a little chucky but that's probably what's needed for a Ramage prototype. I would hope that Rocky Mountain releases this bike with integrated fork bumpers and even a carbon version down the line. Looks like they are off to a great start.
  • 2 1
 I love how people with absolutely zero mechanical engineering knowledge whine like toddlers in diapers because this design is too similar to some other design. "Why can't they make something new? How hard can it be? No, I'm not an engineer. Why do you ask?"
  • 1 0
 "Rocky actually did acknowledge that the final product could look nothing like the bike you see here, and that the test mules, including Gully's bike, are exactly that: mules for the sole purpose of evaluating ideas."
  • 5 1
 Sort of like Kona with a Horst link... I dig it.
  • 4 0
 either way, looks like a session
  • 4 1
 I haven't had this big of a chubby for a rocky since I bought my 2001 RM9....
  • 3 0
 The early 90's have returned with splattery paint magic to dazzle our eyes!
  • 6 3
 I could have done a better paint job.
  • 2 0
 Another Grom has spray painted his Kona Stabb to get ready for PB buy and sell...wait a minute...
  • 2 0
 LOL that looks like Wade Simmons should have rode it at the first Rampage..
  • 7 4
 one word for this : ugly
  • 6 4
 Yaaaah they're not going to sell any of those
  • 2 0
 They have to revive the Flatline! Epinephrine now! CPR now!
  • 3 1
 They all look the same these days. Yawn.
  • 2 0
 Awesome, clean, simple, sturdy lookin' bike with a horrendous paint job.
  • 1 0
 Their website has removed the Flatline model. Looks like it might be released soon.
  • 3 1
 Top Ten!!!!!
  • 2 1
 what happened to the slayer? getting a rework also?
  • 2 1
 Give it another year or so, the slayer was the last design updated.
  • 2 1
 The old version sold dream, here no
  • 4 7
 painthouse customs has done so many amazing paint jobs. oh well, guess not everything is gonna be a mona lisa. this was likely a rush job. good luck gully, hopefully RM doesn't give you the same warranty service I received when I broke my RM7 about a decade ago. hopefully you won't need it.
  • 4 0
 As someone who has a bike painted by him.. I would highly disagree. Stacey puts all the same effort into the frames, and I believe this is the look that Gully wanted.
  • 1 3
 you have all the right to disagree, and i love most of the work painthouse has done in the past- as i mentioned in my first comment. Feel free to establish credibility by mentioning how you own a bike painted by Stacey, but there is no way the effort he put into this bike frame matches the effort he put into say, brett tippies flatline. Regardless of what gully wanted, this paintjob is a quickie.
  • 4 0
 I really like how it looks and the paintjob would probably help the scratches and paint chips blend in with the design so your bike doesn't look too beat up even after a lot of use, compared to shiny paints where you can see scratches from miles.
  • 2 0
 Here is my generic comment on how I know more than you or something about how my opinion is better than yours.
  • 1 2
 Argumentum ad hominem. It's to be expected when a person realizes that his point is weak but he still doesn't want to accept that the opposing view is correct.
  • 2 0
 AMP still works.
  • 2 0
 Awesome Big Grin
  • 1 0
 Very nice. Now please bring back the RMX.
  • 1 1
 looks like ever other bike name frame design out there
  • 3 3
 DU bushings, really?
  • 4 7
 still no front shock bumpers built into the frame such a shame that rocky s tech is 5 years behind all the other manufacturers
  • 5 0
 This is just a prototype, I assume they're skipping the extras until it's closer to production.
  • 4 0
 It's a test mule, I'm sure there are many final details yet to be worked out. a couple holes with rubber jammed in it are probably last of their R&D concerns
  • 6 8
 I will say this, it is by far the nicest Downhill frame I have seen in 2013 and 2014.
  • 3 3
 Worst paint job EVER!!!
  • 1 2
 I like fast cars
  • 7 9
 Looks ugly!
  • 5 7
 UGLY
  • 4 7
 I think it would be better if the bike wasn't dirty
  • 3 1
 who cares? its a mountain bike...
  • 3 1
 I wish you luck with finding a clean bike at rampage







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