Of all the new "standards" that have come our way of late, it feels as if the advance of 35mm diameter bars and stems has been one of the slowest and quite possibly, the quietest of them all. We first saw 35mm cockpit components back in 2013, albeit with the majority of the established brands at the time dismissing it as unnecessary and unneeded. Yet slowly and surely, over the years that followed, brand after brand added this new standard to their respective ranges.
But there was one brand in particular who seemed to hold out longer than most - Renthal. Famed for their neutral feeling bars in their now iconic gold finish, they too have now joined this ever-growing 35mm club. They have no plans to stop producing 31.8mm components anytime soon, though. So what's behind their late arrival, and why even adopt it at all?
FatBar 35 Details:
• Backsweep: 7º / Upsweep: 5º
• Sizes: 10, 20, 30 and 40mm rises
• FatBar Carbon 35: 800mm wide
• Weight: 225g
• MSRP: $164.96 USD / £69.95 GBP
• FatBar 35: 7050 Alloy, 800mm wide
• Weight: 305g
• MSRP: $84.96 USD / £69.95 GBP
• FatBar Lite Carbon 35: 760mm wide
• Weight: 190g
• MSRP: $164.96 USD / £134.95 GBP
• FatBar Lite 35: 7050 Alloy, 760mm wide
• Weight: 270g
• MSRP: $84.96 USD / £69.95 GBP
Apex 35 Stem Details:
• Material: 7075/2014 Aluminium
• Rise: 6º / - 6º
• 240º Clamping System
Lengths and Weights:
• 33mm | 112g
• 40mm | 122g
• 50mm | 136g
• 60mm | 147g
• Average weight Increase over 31.8mm option: 7g
• MSRP: $109.95 USD / £89.95
Integra 35 Stem Details:• 7075/6082 Aluminium
• 240º Clamping System
Lengths, Weights and Rises• 45mm length, 0mm rise - 133g
• 45mm length, 10mm rise - 156g
• 50mm length, 0mm rise - 157g
• 50mm length, 10mm rise - 177g
• Average weight Increase over 31.8mm option: 1.5g
• MSRP: $109.95 USD / £99.95
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renthal.com With a rich history in motorsports, Renthal joined the mountain bike market, as we know them today, with little fanfare and noise. That was until they signed the loudest and arguably the most stylish team on the circuit at the time, the Monster Energy Specialized team, back in 2010. From then, it didn't take long for their gold colored bars to become a familiar sight on the trails and downhill race tracks around the world. But away from the World Cup circuit, Renthal's products have done more than their fair share of shouting too, winning countless fans for their bombproof construction, but more importantly, their neutral feel.
| The position of the first and second bends relative to each other and the central clamping section is crucial. The ideal positioning is defined with the handlebar in its neutral position, i.e.; orientated with 5 degrees of up sweep and 7 degrees of back sweep. In this position, the first and second bends should be in line, in the vertical plane, with the center line of the stem clamp section. This results in a handlebar that has a very neutral feel if you roll your bars forward or, more commonly, backward. - Ian Collins - Cycle Products Manager, Renthal. |
31.8 vs. 35For Renthal, adopting the 35mm diameter standard represented a unique set of challenges, primarily maintaining the strength, stiffness, and durability of the larger 35mm diameter while retaining the weight of the 31.8mm equivalent. To see what the difference was, we whipped out the scales and compared two identical set-ups, one in 31.8mm and the other, 35mm.
Renthal offer two distinctly different stems in both 31.8 and 35mm; the standard steerer mounted Apex and the direct mounted Integra. While the new 35mm iterations look almost identical to the 31.8mm offerings we've all seen before, even sharing the same 240-degree clamping system, the engineers at Renthal had to redesign each stem in every configuration to take the new bar diameter.
And even though they're larger and consequentially have more material, Renthal managed to keep any increases in weight to a minimum. Take an Integra stem with a 50mm length and a 0mm rise for example. Going up to the 35mm option carries a mere 15g weight penalty. If you want to know how little that is, find something comparable and see for yourself just how little 15g really is.
| 35mm diameter has seen a significant increase in use as an OE fitment over the last couple of years, which has subsequently lead to an aftermarket demand for product upgrades. Our philosophy is always to offer as much choice as possible, so it was a natural step to offer a 35mm option. - Renthal. |
Adopting the 35mm diameter standard can, if done correctly, deliver an increased level of strength, durability and in some cases, significantly boost stiffness. Refreshingly Renthal understands that an overly stiff bar and stem can do more harm than good in the real world and firmly believe that the attributes of their existing 31.8mm products delivered the optimum ride feel and durability. With that in mind, they then had a benchmark to work to... Now, I know what you're thinking. Why bother going through all this hassle adopting this new standard when you're more than happy with the existing product line?
That's a good question and the honest answer from Renthal, is that the 35mm diameter standard will be on more complete bikes than you can shake a stick at next year and of all the things to upgrade on a brand new bike covered in un-exciting OEM (Original Equipment Manufacturer) product, bars are a popular first call. Renthal simply didn't want to loose sales being the last major handlebar brand who didn't offer a 35mm bar range. They similarly didn't want to give people needlessly stiff and overly engineered products which, and let's face facts, is pretty awesome if you're already familiar with their bars. But as they embarked on creating their 35mm bar range, they say that they did make some improvements along the way.
While their carbon bar range has gained a few grams along with the stems, Renthal managed to save weight with their alloy FatBars. They've done this, thanks to improved manufacturing techniques, by improving the allocation of material throughout the bar - remember that the original 31.8mm FatBar has remained pretty much the same now for over six years, including the way it is manufactured. Renthal claim to have retained their popular ride feel, strength and durability too and with that in mind, we fired the new 35mm bars and stems on some bikes and headed to the trails to see for ourselves.
PerformanceHaving intermittently used Renthal bars and stems over the years, and tested every iteration of every bar, stem and indeed grip they've released, I felt pretty confident that I'd notice any difference between the old 31.8mm bars and stems, and the new 35mm numbers. On top of that, I've exclusively spent the last six months crunching miles on two 31.8mm Renthal set-ups on two different bikes. This proved to be the perfect testing scenario, swapping them both over, retaining bar rises and stem lengths, to the new 35mm diameter option.
Opting for the burlier FatBar Carbon with a 20mm rise and 800mm width - 20mm more than the 31.8mm option - there was a distinctly different feel, especially in the corners. So out came the hacksaw to carefully level the playing field and get the bars to the same width, as 800mm is too much for my height and build with relation to the bike size they were bolted to. It's also worth noting here that the FatBar Lite bars have also gained 20mm in length, from 740 to 760mm, and are strong enough for anything other than DH duties where triple clamp forks are used.
With the bars cut to 780mm and mated to a 50mm Apex stem - once again, the exact same size as the one it superseded - there was, no difference in ride feel. None what so ever. Similarly with the DH bike, I swapped the 31.8mm Renthal set-up for a like-for-like 35mm configuration, except this time opting for the alloy option over the Carbon FatBar that was originally on there. Before embarking on this, I did ask Ian from Renthal why some of his athletes prefer one material option over the other -
Aaron Gwin and
Laurie Greenland for example, who both love the feel of the carbon bar over
Rémi Thirion and
Troy Brosnan who prefer the alloy. The simple answer is that alloy gives a little more than carbon thanks to the way it handles the frequency of vibrations.
Cranking out the runs on the DH bike, there was a noticeable difference between the alloy and carbon - even a 31.8mm carbon bar and a 35mm alloy bar, with the latter dishing out a marginally more forgiving ride feel. At the end of the day, what pro athletes run is based on extensive off-season testing at speeds that are hard to fathom for anyone but world class riders.
| It goes without saying that Renthal's decision to go down the 35mm diameter route is simply because it's unavoidable given the way the marketplace is going. You could even argue that it's commercial suicide to avoid it, even if the performance benefits don't necessarily warrant it. Yet it says a lot that Renthal has gone to a great deal of effort to retain the feel and performance of their existing 31.8mm range, which you'll still be able to buy. If you're looking to invest in a completely new bar and stem, it would probably pay to go 35mm and embrace it, but if you're happy with your 31.8mm Renthal set-up, there's probably no reason to make the change until you have to. - Olly Forster |
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MENTIONS: @renthalcycling
Just from a consumer standpoint, id like to see companies who don't change or introduce products based soly on what they think people want rather than basing it off of necessity.
But thats just my 2 cents
So, why go to 35mm at all then, do you ask? Well, there are two reasons, the first was outlined in the article: The market dictates it. So adding a 35mm with the same feel benefits customers already on a 35mm stem, from maybe OEM or from some other reason. Every 31.8-Renthal-customer can just choose to ignore it until he gets a new bike with a 35mm steam, when he will be happy to be able to go to Renthal again.
Second reason is easy: weight. While the carbon version is nearly the same (and I would argue that 2cm cut off may even touch the scales in favor of the 35mm-version), they alloy is roughly 50 grams lighter, all in all, while allegedly retaining every other aspect of the old bars. For you it might not matter much, but for people going the weight-route when building a bike, a comfortable, reliable bar that is 50g lighter is well appreciated.
So, why not engineer the 6 year old 31.8 version to the new level, they might get the same weight in the end? Yes, they very well might. But it is a business-decision. They don't shape the market, the market shapes them. Even though Renthal is a big company, OEM is going 35mm already, no arguing about that. So, it is either sink a lot of money in an older, maybe soon-to-be obsolete standard to get up to par, or just take this chance and combine giving in to market pressure all while bringing your product range up to speed.
So, what should you complain about? Certainly not Renthal for their smart business decision. Complain about the "new" 35mm standard in general. But maybe think about the engineering standpoint for one bit: 35mm makes it possible to get lighter bars with same stiffness. Isn't that a nice innovation, although a small one? Does it hamper to enjoy your personal ride with 31.8 bars? Does it help other people, who are maybe weight-conciouss or need a reeeeaaaally stiff bar because of their weight or preference? In my mind, 35mm is in the land of sensible micro-innovations that constantly push the components and thus our bike to better overall performance, one small step at at time.
decided the market needs 35mm and they gonna push the new standard. Renthal are just trying to keep with market demands.
Basically they are doing what you want them to do. They just don´t want to compromise their sales.
But props to them for being honest about it and not spewing bs about stiffness gains and other stuff.
I sympathise with Renthal however, they clearly have to do this to stay current given the industry's relentless rate of new standard adoption.
Pretty clear they would have stuck with 31.8mm if they had their way.
Remember that everybody votes with their wallets.
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As far as I remember they also had to recall a few stems so I'm vary of renthal-products by now...
Everything going on lately cant be called innovation, it's just a farce to make money and force us to get new stuff.
Market? I dont know about others, but I didn't go crawling to them begging for the 35 mm bar, I can tell you that.
I'm tall and 780 always felt narrow. That's why I had to stick with other brands.
Definitely like their new bars! I don't give a f*ck about the diameter tho
I don't know if you like touring skiing or skimo or whatever. there have been real, huge improvements in the last few years (just like mtbiking years ago), first in planks and now in bindings. All those ski brands are not constantly putting on the market stupid things simply by changing some numbers.
If there's nothing to improve just step off. My view.
From what I've read, Renthal make their aluminium alloy braced Motocross bars in the UK.
They do not actually manufacture their mountain bike bars, as these require a level of manufacturing that the UK factory is not setup to do. They are manufactured by an off-shore factory that has the level of expertise and equipment to make it happen.
I feel like I keep pretty close track of mountain bike trends.... didn't know that a 35mm bar even existed on the market until today, let alone that it's now a "standard". 27.5 didn't bother me the slightest, Boost no worries, metric shocks OK with me. But seriously, 35mm is now a standard?
frames and components are getting too reliable/strong so consumers don't buy new products at the frequency they used to, hurting sales numbers.
Solution= change standards often to make consumers feel their bike/parts are obsolete even if that means marketing gimmicks for something that probably can't get a whole lot better.
In the end it hurts smaller manufacturers who have to retool and redesign around these 'necessary' changes.
When the dust settles you will only be able to buy a giant, specialized or trek with shimano and sram components using rockshox or fox suspension. 1x16 drive trains, 28.250 wheels blah blah blah...
In not a fan of the "black magic" especially for bars - they're definitely for dentists only.
From what I've read all the aluminium alloy MTB bars are offshore manufactured.
the process for making the MTB bars is very different (expensive and complex swaging/butting) to their well known braced Moto-X bars, and the UK factory does not have the equipment.
I will email them to find out though.
Like it or not, but it has been around for a while, and is currently ever so slowly edging out 31.8.
What I want most people to get out of all this BS and rant that I've started on is this..DONT BLAME RENTHAL for just providing a product for 35mm when it was EASTON who introduced the 35mm handlebar and stem for downhill in 2012. If you have a problem with 35mm trying to market a new standard for profit margins, send your opinions towards Easton.
The idea behing 35mm isn't to get a stronger cockpit than before, so your chainlink argument does not really work there.
The thing about standards for forks and handlebars though is that handlebars and stems are cheap and easily swapped. Forks of a different standard are not. They require different frames, races and headsets in addition to different stems.
This is a cheap transition that people can largely ignore or upgrade when they're changing components anyway. People can continue buying 1.25" bars/stems or they can switch to 1-3/8" bars/stems.
1) A pain to put on the bars, and it scratches the hell out of them.
2) Torquing the stem on the steerer correctly results in the stem coming loose on the steerer. You have to way over tighten it.
Like their bars though, but prefer the fit and feel of SIXC....
35mm must be what started the "metric" trend... ;-)
And seriously, is it all about weight these days?
What are the benefits of a 10% increase in diameter? Is it stiffer?
And do we need stiffer?
Is it all about weight? No. Is it sensible to drop weight while retaining every (good) aspect elsewhere? Yes.
What are the benefits? Renthal answered that for you: Small ones at best. Slightly lower weight, more stiffness sucks.
Do we need stiffer? Did you ever ride a bar that was too stiff? It feels horrible. Don't recommend.
Anyone wanna buy some bars, stem and grips!! ????
In Moto we went through the same argument and the marketplace found a solution Fasstco Flexx handlebars which are really an old Girvin Flexstem turned sideways . These are ridiculously heavy and expensive but are unbelievable popular especially with Offroad racers and trail riders.
If it takes the larger diameter to get a reasonable stiffness/weight/width/price relationship, that seems totally fine with me.
@deityusa tell me you guys are steering clear of this marketing-driven standard.
Glad to see Renthal making 35 handlebars and stems as well.They look bad ass as well
"If you're looking to invest in a completely new bar and stem, it would probably pay to go 35mm and embrace it"
Huh? What you have basicaly said there Olly, is "There is no advantage to 35mm, Renthal only made it so people who already have 35mm setups can buy Renthal upgrades. So for that reason everyone should buy 35mm and embrace it"
Your logic is lacking....
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Snapped a set not monster truckin Just ridin along
3 months old.
And no they weren't over tightened.
Why haven't all riders boycotted that shit? Just whyyyyy, hahaha. Sad days, sad days indeed from an engineering and from a cost optimization point view....
35mm only makes sense for carbon bars. The larger diameter allows for lighter yet stiffer carbon layup. Same reason carbon frames have chunky tubes. Now is it really needed? Not really. Its better yes unless you like flex then no.
Funny that their alloy bars are much lighter.. Though they give a lot more. I suspect they just beefed carbon bars up just to be sure, without any modeling or tension calculations in order to keep em safe enough. Would not buy.
1.Drop weight of the bike
2.?
3.Win local races
Wait... This is heavier... I am not sure what they are trying to achieve. Extremely confused, Renthal help me. I have your Fatbar Lite, best bar I ever had but it gets old now so I need a new one. Why should I buy a 35mm one?
In English?
FatBar 35: 7050 Alloy, 800mm Weight: 225g,
Is this a joke?
Just waiting to have black in aluminum bars...