Scott Downhill Bike Prototype

 Also i spy new saint brakes!

 took the words right out of my mouth

 i like it cause its innovative and doesnt have 4bar linkage

 Count the pivots.. it may look confusing but note that there is the same amount of pivots as on the standard Gambler.

 super slack headtube

 reminds me of the evil bikes suspension system, only in straight shock configuration nice 4-pot-ice-tech saint....

 LOL Mike! Copy-Paste, Copy-Paste, Copy-Paste...Right On!

 Not that looks mean anything but... WTF!

 No wonder why fairclough switched to scott
:o

 Also the new fox dropper... ?

 looks sick but good luck getting the shock out!

 possibly carbon seat stays? or no?

 Defenitely new Saints! If you look closely you can spot the 4-Piston-Caliper in the first picture!

 nopes aluminium got welds

 and the saints have those cooling fins

 There is a distinction between pivots that are used for shock actuation, and those pivots that are vital in keeping the rear wheel axle in place. With a single pivot design, as oppose to four bar, only two pivots are critical to the stability of the chassis. And those pivots can be made extra precise, and sturdy. Every bearing wear with time. And no one is going to change them after a few every rides. Bearing play will grow over time, and will stack up in four bar. Outside the showroom floor, a single pivot does have this advantage over the four bar.

Split pivot designs have been out in vogue. But the axle path behave just like single pivots. However, their shock actuation links are long. Sure there is the benefit of "brake jack" suppression, but there are other important factors as well to consider. Personally, outside of brake jack suppression, I don't see a lot of difference in benefits between the middle-high single pivot designs (with a progressive link), and the split-pivot designs for most downhill applications. I think both of these designs can be made competitive, depending on what type of riding that one does. In Scott's design, they placed the shock and links closer to center-of-mass, and the rolling axis. To me that is a positive thing. Also, they did not place rear shock impact loading directly on the downtube, or interrupt the downtube with a hole and welds. There are always going to be compromises, but IMHO, Scott did something positive and innovative.

 why are they riding cane creek titanium springs?

 why not? fox doesnt produce them..have to buy them from someone else..

 what tire is that on the last picture?

 Do I spot a carbon rear triangle? Or is it just my imagination...

 if u want simplicity look no further

 New Schwalbe Hans Dampf DH tires

 .So much better then the old one!!

 Can you say SLAAAAAAAACK!??!?!?!? Gorgeous bike!

 looks like the proto fox droper post is getting some dh testing and as for the bike looks sweet single piviot normaly doesnt get thought of as a dh suspension glad to see some revamping

 why is everyone so confused? its a single pivot with a rocker arm driving a shock linkage(evil revolt anyone?). Nothing new other than the shock is driven off the middle link like an mx bike.

 It does remind me of an mx suspension.

 scott comming back!! the old modles were kinda grose but this is sick!!!

 Couldn't Scott just put CF covers around those linkages to protect the whole variety from mud and it would stop scarring children? I would call it... a LINKAGE-BOX!!! - doesn't that sound hype(r)cool? Screw the Gearbox, Linkagebox is the future!

 I can't even figure out what's going on with that suspension! Be interesting to see how it works

 they have canecreek spring on a fox....

 gwins been running those prototype saints since last year.. and all the linkage pretty much is, is upside down moto linkage.

 Just working around some Patents here.

 great another easely breacker frame... when will scott do frames to last longer?

 All Scott's I've had last. Have you riden the bike? Actually putting time on it to make that an educated statement? Didn't think so

 are you ok for paying 5000€ for a bike that maybe only will last 2 years?
warranty frame great... i have a friend of mine he had 4 brand new frames he was most of the time with the frame waiting for warranty...
yeah thats great!!! 5000€ for a bike that you can barelly ride...

 clearly your friends needs to land things a bit smoother and take more care of his bike

 Yeah, scotts actualy are a great quality bike, my friend has a voltage and you could thrash that thing and itd be fine

 My old voltage fr 20 I ha since it came out in 2010, it's survived many dh races and a week at sgc in whistler, not one single frame related problem. Come to think of it the only problem I've had was casing a jump and the derailer bolt snapped, not the dropout. Only reason I sold it was to get a 2012 voltage fr 10

 it looks complex but really it's simple , good place for the shock and pivots tho away from the back wheel and all the muck/rocks

 Removing that shock looks like it'll be... a task

 it should be christened the 'scissor linkage' cos that's what it is lol. edit. oh shit then i notice the PB picture caption, face palm

 "A close-in on that linkage. It appears as if it works in a scissoring action to compress the Fox shock." all i could think of when i saw this was...scissor me timbers!

 everyone going on about removing the shock... it actually looks really easy, and the adjustments are all easy to get at too. looks like a fantastic piece of engineering that doesn't put stress concentrations onto weak areas for a change!! to remove the shock.. unless i am mistaken, you undo the top bolt, let the back wheel drop as far as it can, then undo the bottom bolt and pull it out from the front as the linkage will have moved out of the way. Good on you Scott, some simple yet logical and functional engineering for a change!! If its as good as it looks, i'll be getting one of these as my next rig.

 @ Brugles, good point..

 Haha that's exactly what I thought . They just didn't want to make another Trek-clone-type single pivot thingy. I think that's the whole reason.

 You are funny... don't look at bike, look how i ride. When I look at your photos I don't see skill... just showing off. So you aren't DHer.

 You are some serious, serious dudes...

 @apachemauro, DAMIAN24 has some pretty good photos, looks like he loves riding his bike. You on the other hand have photoshop'd photos of you doing skids with your shirt off. You riding with your shirt off does two things, it makes your helmet look massive and it makes you look like a massive helmet.

 Comment of the week

 YOU JUST LOVED MY PICS.

 is that you Doc??

 I think not. That trilogy is my all time favorite. "Are you telling me you built a time machine... Out of a Delorean?"

 Oh right. Also comes out in the American "The Office"

 I got it and I'm 14. haha

 I can't believe you got 11 neg props for saying you think most people may be to young to get that. Lol PB

 Yeah I thought it wasa bit harsh for likely to be true statement

 at precisely 88 mph.... yo guna drive into some random farmers barn. dang its been ages since i watched that.

 You can bet that it will get cleaned up a fair amount before production.

 true dat. loooks pretty rad to me, perfect geo and a bit dark, moody, and slick looking and it doesn't look like a Trek :-) ......most of the waffling haters on here can't afford a bike like this anyway so they're not even "in market", as your salesman/marketing friend would tell you.

 I swear the last gambler ran a 10 inch stroke or something so I doubt it's a longer shock

 10" stroke aye?

 I've got a 'longer shock' and I give 10" 'strokes.

Too far?

 that shock is huge!

 if it were a 3.5" stroke hed most likely have a softer spring than a 400lbs. could be for that track though so who knows

 God dam it BRAIN FART yeah I meant Eye to Eye sorry guys

 so the earliest post in any forum i could find is from 2005, apart from that, the huge metal plate you see at the front is not part of the linkage but a pulley and path for the chain. apparently without it the chain growth would have been so high that the chain would rip, if thats the true reason i dont know.

 Thanks for giving the blind people a heads up, but you missed one point if they can't see the picture they can't read the words, or do you think we're all thick as shit and only you can see how it works?

 im guessing that comment was due to how i basically broke this suspension down for a child to understand but from reading all the comments about how peoples "brains hurt" while trying to understand the linkages i thought some people (obviously not people like you) might need a little umm... help

 umm... fair point

 Certainly easy...

 Not able to adjust anything without taking the shock out? Looks like an RC4, H and L comp look very easy to access to me.. especially from that last pic, plus I have seen a lot worse...

 Count the pivots.. it may look confusing but note that there is the same amount of pivots as on the standard Gambler.

 I agree with levy here... at first I was a bit caught off guard with the setup, but after taking a sec to put it all togther the bike looks super sick. I deff wouldnt call it complex, it's simplistic and sensible really.

 you're right its definitely much simpler that it looks. i think id kinda like to see how it compares to some more standard suspension setups just to see if it may or may not have any advantages. to me although it is pretty simple it looks a bit like going in a circle to get the same place in a strait line if that makes any sense.

 I think people are getting a little tired of judging how a bike rides from seeing the first ever photo of it...

 totally agree, that frame is something only a mother could love

 i'd say the angle is about 1.2 degrees lol

 His bars are almost flat..... and he was the first one to start the flat bars are for XC riders jive.
What are those bars, 2mm rise?

Good work Brendog, what's next? You'll say riser bars are for hipsters?

 I think is a Reverb

 No its most definitely not a Reverb on a fox factory bike silly goose.

 Duh, Homer...sorry.

 DT swiss fx 1950 tricons, and unless your minted i wouldnt bother, worked out about £1200 for the wheelset when i went to get my izimu built up, needless to say i went with a set of hope hoops instead. do look mega bling tho.

 voltage DH is a voltage, difference is 20mm on the back wheel, an adjustable headset and/or some offset shock bushes. scott could never justify that as their top bike. Manufacturers need to charge top dollar for the DH bikes, the top of the line. Your product range wont work if the top of the line is cheaper than your AM bike.

Front triangle is very similar to a Voltage front triangle with a bracket welded on to the seat tube to suit the new shock position. The down tube location has been brought further out and curved to accept the length of a 9.5 shock. Something a voltage front triangle could not do in this position. Going by the weld seams on the rear triangle It looks like this is also aluminum. I think its a nice bike but the front and rear parts of the frame don't go, two different styles since the tubes have been borrowed from a voltage (same hydro forming shape). I´d also fit a Ball guard to that linkage setup, squinty landing after a big drop, neutered.

Jokes/Cosmetics aside this bike will be very fast and looks like it should be very stable. Being all aluminum it shouldnt be mental money either.

 Totally agree. Except the Voltage DJs.

 Isn't the designer(s) for Scott formerly of Cannondale?

 i haver no idea i was just speaking what it looks liek to me

 If done right, I think it could work. And the cover can keep the shock, and bearings stay cleaner longer. Having said that, you'll be surprised how many things would look bland without a creative graphics design. Actually, this Scott model has a unique configuration of links. I wonder if some graphics artist can come up with a paint scheme to enhance this feature. ie. perhaps accentuating the scissor-like silhouette.

 @techyiam - I couldn't prop you more! Read both your comments on this post and they are bang on! I've done a bit of bike design and I totally agree with what you're saying.

 Huge! 10.50x3.50

 Are you sure? Shock looks so long because this frame is very low

 Well, I'm not.... but it definitely looks huge!

 www.pinkbike.com/photo/7839322/?s5

the spring is 400x3,50 so yes it has to be 267

 Thank you

 your welcome

 I would say it's a 10.50x3.50

 www.pinkbike.com/photo/4051515

 Count the pivots.. it may look confusing but note that there is the same amount of pivots as on the standard Gambler.

 DOSS(drop on steep stuff) Fox post

 Nope.

 i like it