Name This PrototypeEuropean brand Solid had a booth full of their heavy hitting aluminum bikes, including this yet to be named prototype that they said is basically a pint sized version of their Strike downhill sled. Designed as an enduro race bike, its rear wheel travel sits at 172mm, which is a bit longer than the majority of bikes in the same class. Not surprisingly, Solid has employed a tweaked version of their Center Force Suspension design that sees the shock mounted between two stout looking links that create a virtual pivot point out in space. According to Solid, ''
the unique suspension system transmits the bearing forces evenly to the main chassis so that we are in a position to create a chassis which is lighter than most of the products of the competition.'' Claimed weight of the assembled prototype pictured here is 29.7lb, although Solid did say that the production version, which will be available sometime around March or April of 2016, will come in at around 2lb less, partly due to it featuring a carbon fiber upper link in place of the rather burly aluminum one on this bike.
Solid intends the bike to be used with forks between 160 and 180mm of travel, although the bike won't feature any built-in geometry adjustments to compensate for changes in fork length, and the exact geo isn't finalized quite yet - this particular bike is serving as a geometry mule. With Solid having a technical partnership with BOS, you can expect the production version to be fitted with BOS suspension as well.
Solid also offer a range of components under the Reverse name, including the Seismic carbon handlebars that have been designed to dissipate high-frequency vibrations from the ground and bike before they are transferred into the rider's hands. This isn't the first time we've seen this sort of approach - Spank uses low density foam in their aluminum Vibrocore handlebars to do the same thing - but Solid have used carbon fiber and decided against adding any sort of damping material. They are claiming that the butted layup profile of the carbon fiber is able to to the same job, and that extensive testing with data acquisition proves that the Seismic handlebar works as advertised. Word is that feedback from their racers mirrors Solid's findings, all of which makes us eager to test them out for ourselves.
Longer, Slacker RipleyI've spent a lot of time on Ibis' 120mm travel Ripley and have very little to complain about, but there's no denying that a lot of companies are now offering longer and slacker geometry than what the original Ripley was designed with. Ibis went back to the molds and came up with a revised version, called the Ripley LS, that has a longer top tube and a slacker head tube angle, going from 69.2 degrees to 67.5 degrees, and gaining 12mm up front. There's also a threaded bottom bracket in place of the old bike's press-fit design, revised internal cable routing, and a 1/2'' shorter seat tube.
The back of the bike gets a new rear triangle that offers a bit more tire clearance - it's tight on the original bike when you mount up some burly tires - but the bike's eccentric-driven rear suspension remains unchanged.
Not shown here is the new standard Ripley that gets all of the above updates, minus the geo changes. Frames only will retail for $2,900 USD, and standard builds (
all popular Shimano and SRAM components) begin at $3,950 for the "Special Blend" and end at $8,600 for a bike with Shimano's Di2 drivetrain.
Formula R0Racing BrakeUsed by Formula's sponsored racers for the past two years, the R0Racing brake is just now being released to the public. It utilizes the same two-piston caliper from the Italian brand's other offerings, but it's the top end where things are drastically different. Formula, along with everyone else, use a standard push-style master cylinder that, as the description suggests, pushes the plunger in as you pull the brake lever. The R0Racing brake's master cylinder does the opposite, though, actually pulling the master cylinder piston's out away from the handlebar when you pull the brake lever due to the lever's pivot being on the opposite side of where it would usually be located.
Formula cites two reasons for the change: first, it allows them to bring the lever's pivot in closer to the handlebar for better ergonomics. Second, they say that it makes for lighter lever action due to the pulling action through the master cylinder not binding as much as when you're pushing it.
Sorry I never realized a bachelors in mechanical engineering made me a homegrown expert.... Thanks for setting the record straight !
Formula and Hayes are barely even on the radar...
In terms of performance, its more like Hope/Shimano at the top, Avid and Magura second. Again Hayes and Formula are barely even on the radar...
What is a millenial? If you are accusing me of being too young to know what I'm talking about, let me put it this way, my first hydraulic brake was a closed system made by Hope. That ought to give you a clue...
That said, Deores are great brakes for almost no money, so it's hard to make excuses for other brands in that respect. I bought a pair of SRAM DB-5s, & they're quite amazingly good as well. About the same price.
People who think Formula don't make good brakes are on drugs
I'm still running my the ones, haven't had a reason to change.
I only have limited experience of formulas but it seems to be that they're good when they work properly, but that they don't work properly very often.
Formula might have some great brakes at the top end of their range, but at the prices they go for, I may never find out how good they are...
So I'd say were about 2 years away from di2 being attainable for large % of $5k budget buyers..mix new/used builds
Wow this typo has makes me inexplicably mad.
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I like that you point straith to weakness of us. You do know that we have lost the second world war and Internet just came after Apple released the iPhone8 in Germany so we had no idea there were other countries... Ok bad joke.
We are aware of this but as you might see we managed to handle it, as we had been in touch with the guy. So no drama for us and no big thing for him.
we prefer to deal with such things directly and solve these problems in a friendly way. So if someone did not get my horrible joke I appologize for that in advance. we prefer to build good bikes and riding them ourselfs than spening too much time researching stuff in the internet. so do the same go out and ride and leave the keyboard to itself.
lazy?
theft deterrent?
OCD button pusher?
I'd love a rip on that thing!
All the tubes are extremely similar, just ina little different configuration.
So most likely Solid just utilise tried and true Polygon standard materials if possible and just rearrange them to integrate their own suspension design.
And given the fact that this is a geometry mule, most likely they were running with a link that was allready available instead of going through the hassle of creating special prototype parts for it.
Happens with many other companys prototypes too. They cut up existing frames and rearrange them or put one off links and stuff on for testing purposes.
The functionality of the new Prototype-Solid suspension system is a CFS, it is basically a scaled Solid-Strike-Suspension, yet the wheel axle path has been fitted to slightly different demands on an enduro (e.g. you run it with smaller chainrings, so you need less chainstay elingation to keep it stable). The upper link on the Polygon acts as an active link, meaning it has a floating shock. At the Solid, it is supported concentrically in order to compensate parts of the loads. Like at the Solid Strike, unlike Polygon.
The new Solid prototype contains some standard-tubes, and it currently is outfitted with an X12-axle and hanger, all other design solutions however are unique and 100% selfmade by the guy who designs the Solid Bikes. Loki87, you know him pretty well personally ;-)
The geometry by the way is pretty perfect. Rides like a downhillbike, similar to the Strike. No major changes to be expected.
A bicycle comprising:
a chain drive, in which the distance from the axis of a drive sprocket to the axis of a rear wheel hub is represented by a variable value CSL; and
a compressible rear suspension having a linkage for moving said hub along a controlled wheel travel path as said suspension is compressed, said controlled wheel travel path having an arc radius which is greater towards a lower end of said path and smaller towards an upper end of said path." The condition at the Solids are different. Solid's rear axle path's arc radius even changes its direction... to keep it simple.
Just to show.... the whole situation is more difficult than just 2 rotating links.
I am very skeptical of industry "innovations" but chainline has been overlooked for way too many years. Now if they can make the wheel stronger as well... Then the industry will catch up with what was already out in the 80's