Tioga's MT-ZERO Pedal

Aug 10, 2011 at 8:06
Aug 10, 2011
by Mike Levy  
 
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Tioga MT-ZERO
Measuring just 7mm in height, Tioga's new MT-ZERO will certainly turn a few heads.


The leading-edge concept starts with the ZEROaxle bolt assembly which houses an outboard sealed cartridge bearing, precision machine-pressed into the bolt, to facilitate the pedal’s rotation. With the absence of the traditional axle or multiple bearings within the body of a ZEROaxle pedal, a special outboard bearing is equipped to handle the redirected load converging into a smaller area. Whereas typical pedal bearings are 13mm in diameter, ZEROaxle’s cartridge bearing is more than twice the size and capable of handling over five times the dynamic load of typical bearings - ZEROaxle bolts have been thoroughly tested to meet the Japan Industrial Standards (JIS) for pedal bearings. The result is a pedal system with an entirely new form factor made possible by the ZEROaxle bolt.

Thinner is Better: A thin pedal profile positively affects ground clearance, foot stability, and pedaling efficiency; the thinner the body, the more positive these effects. With new design freedom provided by the ZEROaxle bearing system, the MT-ZERO’s body is impressively thin at 7mm, and because the body platform is a dual concave design, which better adapts to the contours of the foot, it dips down to just 4mm in the center. Although the MT-ZERO body is extremely thin and open, it’s neither flimsy nor fragile. The MT-ZERO’s body is a solid one-piece construction, investment-cast from chromoly steel, and tested to handle a wide spectrum of off-road applications from XC to all-mountain.


Tioga MT-ZERO
The ZEROaxle system is key to the MT-ZERO's incredible thinness, moving the bearing out of the pedal body and into a separate housing.


bigquotesThe breakthrough is made possible by Tioga's ZEROaxle bearing system. With conventional pedals, the body must be tall enough to contain the axle and bearings that are within its body. The ZEROaxle system in the MT-ZERO removes this restriction by redirecting its axle and bearing away from the body, allowing for an incredibly thin profile. - Kai Cheng, Tioga global marketing manager


Fully Compatible with Standard Cranksets: The ZEROaxle MT-ZERO’s 9/16” thread makes it fully compatible with standard cranksets. Aditionally, when designing the ZEROaxle pedal system, Tioga engineers were mindful not to disrupt the rider’s biomechanics. Width of the ZEROaxle bolt is comparable to the axle bolt on conventional platform pedals that upgrading to the MT-ZERO will have little impact on the user’s Q-factor, the distance between a rider’s left and right foot, measured through the bottom bracket.


Tioga MT-ZERO
the ultra thin pedal body is manufactured from chromoly steel.


Maintenance Free, Modular Design: The ZEROaxle pedal system is modular and designed to be virtually maintenance free. Should the bearing wear down, simply replace the ZEROaxle bolt. The same applies to the body. Replacement ZEROaxle bolt and MT-ZERO body are available individually, in left or right configurations. Its modular design will also allow users to easily switch different body designs from any current and future ZEROaxle pedals.

Pricing and Availability: The ZEROaxle MT-ZERO will be available within the next 60 days through professional, independent bicycle dealers nationwide. The pedals will be available in black, white or silver, for a suggested retail price of US$99.


About Tioga:
With over 30 years in the cycling industry focusing on function with style, Tioga has created numerous industry advancing components from the Comp-III BMX racing tire to the industry standardization of the 1-1/8” steering system. Tioga’s new generation of components continue to blend progressive style with increasing functionally to enhance the riding experience of modern cycling enthusiasts.

www.tiogausa.com


Tioga gives us the lowdown of their new 7mm thick MT-ZERO pedal, but we'll also have a set to test soon. With their interesting bearing design and 7mm thin steel bodies, how do you think they will fare?
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194 Comments

  • + 127
 Thinner isn't necessarily better. World Cup pros run Burgtecs, Straightlines and 50-50's. Crankbrothers released a new, thinner pedal, and nobody runs them. Check out the recent Brendan Fairclough bike check: old 50-50's.

Thin pedals are a fad, like flat handlebars. Thankfully both fads will die, as will all humans in the robot apocalypse.
  • + 85
 It's going to be a zombie apocalypse, not a robot one. It's bound to happen anytime soon.
  • - 35
 i agree mostly, but fat bars are amazing, i just cant see why you would run thin ones (for dh/am that is)
  • + 54
 He said Flat, not Fat....
  • + 64
 Who? The cat in the hat?
  • + 17
 I think thiner Pedals are in any way better! You get more pedal efficiency, a lower center of gravity and more ground clearance.
Fairclough is also riding the new Specialized prototype pedals, which are super thin and he seems to be pretty stoked about them.
But I have to admit, that most of these advantages are for DH riders. When I ride CC I don't care about a low center of gravity or ground clearance, I care more about weight, and these pedals are not lightweight at all. So I don't really get the point, they've made some pedals that are perfectly designed for DH but only strong enough to take some CC and AM riding? Not to mention that I prefer clipless pedals for CC anyway.
  • + 4
 as for Average Joe DH it seems to me that super thin flats design mean just too much reliability /weight / cost issues comparing to regular "fatter" pedals with normal axles and bearings.

Ironicaly there's a huge potential in XC/trail and AM market, as skinny pedals are awesome for pedalling. Maybe thanks to these more shaved calves will switch to flats.

So thumbs up from me!

BTW no idea what's wrong with flatbars?! I see more problems with 1"+ risers... is it because cAmputA geeks fantasizing about apocalypse, scarred of steeps, tend to ride in fetal position hanging on their bars, staying way too much on the back? Wink
  • + 12
 ...some of us ride tracks steep enough you dont want to be all over the front of the bike. 'flat bars make you corner better' aye very good
  • + 2
 I have flat wide bars on my Am bike and sometimes ride stuff steep enough to stimulate my chamois with the rear tyre, everytime there's some boulder or bigger root on the way - yet in these rare moments of rough pleasure I have not much nostalgy for my old risers.

It's a matter of actual grip height anyways... I use flats because they appear cooler to me thatn risers, have 1cm spacer below the stem. Could just get a 1" riser, switch the spacer over the stem, eventually flip the stem upside down, and get the same result as with flats...
  • + 6
 Yeah dude, because brendog isnt sponsored by 5050 and other pros by that companies. You ride what you get. Be serious. The pro argument was infantile 5 years ago. I dont know what to call it now.
  • + 6
 Surely knowing when to coast and when to pedal is the idea? I could stuff my pedals into the ground all day long if I wanted to
  • + 5
 Dude that wrote the first comment (Team-Robot), of course thinner pedals are better. its like lowering your bb by a little bit and reducing the risk of clipping them on the ground at the same time. and the brendan faiclough bike check you saw is so old now not recent at all get your shit right, he's ditched those massive 5050's and runs a specialized pedal about as thin as these now.

Thin pedals wont die out, the question is just how thin can they go and stay strong enough- Im doubting these ones...
  • + 1
 waki - little bit higher front end means more body weight over the back, less arse..just saying. personal preference, each to their own an all that
  • + 3
 All the big companys seem to be making all these super thin pedals, there is so many different models and choices these days it's hard to tell which one is best, I mean eventually every company that produces pedals will have a flat pedals thats stupidly thin and some will be better than others.

So for now, I will hold back untill all this get alot of riding/rating and then I will start buying flats.

But for now, my V12s do just fine Smile
  • + 4
 Even the cheap superstar pedals are miles ahead of V12's. Just in terms of sheer platform width. A friend of mine has been running V12's on his bikes for years, never tried anything else. He had a go on the superstars and was sold instantly. There really is a massive difference. V12's platform really is tiny
  • + 5
 I agree that a slim bodied pedal is a good thing. I think these go too far. I want a full spindle and two sets of bearings. I dont even really like the bearing/bushing designs. How can these be reliable in the long term? I could be wrong obviously, but it seems once they develop any play at all, you will feel like you have bent pedals. I least with a conventional design the body isnt going to wobble when the bearings wear. They also look ridiculous.... my 2cents.
  • + 4
 Yeah eventually I think they are gonna get so thin you can just tell they will snap, but people will buy them because they are stupidly thin. (I think we hit that stage now haha)
  • + 5
 more depends on shoulder width
  • + 13
 Ye it's all about wing span ( caw caw )
  • + 7
 let's make it clear: the most stupid trend of them all, at the same time ruling and creating other (super wide bars, super slack HA, super light stuff) is a damn "must-race" trend or "race-wannabies". Whether it is DH or XC, race bikes are fkn stupid, they are done only for one purpose, which is racing, which means these are good for like 10 days in a year!!! On every other day, you would be better off with any other bike from in-between spectrum.

I am tired and sick of people in TLD or FOX race pyjamas and lycra, meeting me either in b-park or on trails, telling me how great my 6" bike is: wow you can do everything on it, I wish I had one like that, woow, you can ride that sketchy gnar on this, woow you uhpilled here?! you're good - no I'm fkn neither strong or skilled rider #1 and #2 my bike is worth nearly a half of recent race bikes, and #3 no I don't fkn race enduro or Mega-avalanche!!!

I ride a mountain bike, I pedal, turn handlebars, and shift my weight over it - I am a happy person when I am on it - get it, and you'll be way happier person with thicker wallet, money from which you can spend on good things like: flowers to YoMama, or a small plot of land on which you can plant sweet tomatoes - they're good and well tasty, and you can build a pumptrack between potatoes, pumpkins or weed, whatever you fkn like...

Just stop trying to be a better rider by using Ebay and CRC and feeling like stuff you ride on is a crap everytime someone comes up with a new product or standard...
  • + 9
 Oh shut up. If people didn't buy high end stuff then you would pay a lot more for your mid range shit. Stop moaning as there is no point to what your saying, just wasting your own time.
  • + 14
 And here comes WAKI! The guy from poland that knows everything from bike builds to materials, test, marketing and Alien conquest and domination. We told you already that we dont want your opinions and stay away from this continent. We know Disneyland is bigger than poland, you have nothing to prove.
  • - 13
 Who?, Wako the jako from poland?
We know this clown. He thinks the world of mountain biking is upside down and he and only he can see the thruth.
We have never seen his amazing credentials here, where the sport was invented.
You know what they say: If you want to extend your backyard, just take over poland!
  • + 2
 jezzah... please compare prices of midrange "shit" or in my world "high value for money products" like Deore, over the course of years... inflation happens yes, but most of current Deore group is over midway of LX &XT price from 5 years back - sorry

lopez65 - I'm away of your continent, and I plan to stay that way - Disneyland? It's funny you are saying that, It's just that soon it's gonna be Mickey Mao instead of Mickey Mouse Big Grin I sat with popcorn during every voting of your senate - too bad another postponing, there will be a "Waking up from a dream in the land of the free 2", who knows, I hear the trailer voice saying "NEXT SUMMER!!!"... or THIS FALL...? "if this nation falls, the consequences of this crisis will be felt all over the world!" - fk it! I wanna see what happens! yeee haaaw! Big Grin
  • + 1
 @lopez - your kung fu is good. I think that literally is the first time I haven't seen a waki rebuttal. I was curiously waiting for entertainment purposes but ...
  • + 3
 Wow, lopez. 45-year old. I guess single or married with your hand...
  • + 3
 shyte, sorry for dissappointing you fullbug,... I'll try to be stronger next time Big Grin


what I was meant to say was: how come bitchn' on racing comes together with bitchn' on Poland? and why everytime I pis' someone off, certain ppl bitch on Poland?! I'm waiting for call from our president then, I'm ready to become a PB ambassador of Poland!
  • + 5
 no worries waki...to an oldskooler like me it's all entertaining! haha . carry on. It's just like on the trail or on a forum. Trying to keep up with the youngsters til i stack it! As far as the pedals go I'm gonna take the wait and see approach. just like with girls..looks aren't everything and then again it might be all she's got.
  • + 3
 hold up..I'M not obese BUT buffets ARE evil here. flags can block the view when they wave
  • + 4
 The Mickey Mao line was great. Who knew Poles had a sense of humour!
  • - 1
 We all need to learn from Wako the Jako. If he becomes ambassador from poland then we will know how bad things are really in poland.
  • + 1
 HaHaHaHaHa! wako the jako! This nickname is here to stay boys!
  • + 3
 SMP pedal ... different niche, but some of same ideas as the Tioga pedal.
Check it out ... www.sidemountpedal.com/smp_tech.html
One bearing will take a lot of load and stress compared to the two we all have in our current pedals.
However, a lower center of gravity and pedal clearance is a good thing. Cool concept!
  • + 2
 That SMP pedal is amazing! It has the same effects as ipecac, from merely looking at it! Incredible!
  • + 4
 who gives a shit what world cup racers run. most of their bikes are set up weird as hell anyway.
  • + 1
 I'm sorry, but I could never trust anything like that! I bet every company making "thin" pedals is gonna see allot of warrenty requests! Rolleyes
  • + 3
 If you bothered to read you would see that they cost $99.
  • + 1
 Poland FTW!!! Big Grin
  • + 1
 your best bet is to have a pedal maybe 5mm thicker minimum, therefor you can follow the trend of thin pedals yet retaining strength. there, done. stop bitching now.
  • + 3
 yep indeed.. flat... flatter.... broken,..
  • + 3
 People are packing their DH rigs with stuff like: Stan's Flow rims, X0 rear mechs, ridiculously thin direct mount stems, carbon seatposts, carbon brake levers(fk!!!), ride with 3 bolts per brake rotor, and suddenly these pedals appear breakable? fk me Big Grin ...

It's about looking for an edge in racing, if you miss an edge of a stone by 5mm you might win man - when we talk winning or eating shyte it's all worth it!
  • + 4
 I might get rid of my pedals altogether , put a huge bolt through my foot into the pedal hole be the coolest dude in the world
  • + 1
 like where you're goin with that idea bigburd! part frankenstein/transformer kinda shite! that would help me save on knee/shin pads!
  • + 1
 Bigburd that would be true ( being the coolest dude in the world) only if some pro would do that, preferably a new coming ripper, like Danny Hart or Brooke McDonald... The New-Fast-Guy is a mine of gold for those who Rule The Hype! Everyone wants to taste the sht the New-Fast-Guy is on! Who cares 'bout Demo now?! Sam's down. In 2012 World's fastest e-shoppers will fap on carbon session of evil glory!!!
  • + 1
 this is why racers suck.. including the simple people who follow them every foot step..
  • + 1
 Very true Waki , I think I wear to much armor to be considered cool any how , fan bois are such a fickle bunch ..
  • + 1
 Mah, don't tell me you're one of those AM boys dressing up for a crash? 5" FS bike, full body armor and MET parachute helmet, every 50m fixing 4-ply 2,8 DH tyre - the brake bump wagon buahaha Big Grin
  • + 1
 Nah more of a ride my Gambler over every thing from DJ's to pump tracks to DH and smoke the pyjama boys while they discuss the finer points of flat pedals and wide bars Smile )
  • + 1
 Gambler on DJs?! You are not cool, you know that? - You better get some fancy anodized stuff in all possible colours then cover it in hundreds of stickers of companies from which you haven't even bought a T-Shirt, to keep up with times... you might eventualy run out of that with your Gambler if you get yourself some tight jeans
  • + 3
 Yeah I'm pretty much a lost cause really , I got a bike that weighs over 40lbs ( GASP ) , my jeans are baggy and the only time my clothes match is when I fall in a muddy puddle ,.
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  • + 26
 WTF is wrong with you guys?????

Narrower pedals are more efficient in maintaining a circular pedal rotation. This is a step in the right direction.

OOOHHH I get it- if it looks like a current product its a copy, but if its innovation its "sketchy, marketing BS, a new bs standard, or proprietary bs.

GD uneducated twits.
  • + 1
 Are there any tests showing the forces involved? You know, other than marketing baloney. I find it hard to believe that 3mm off my 800mm leg length is going to make a difference, that is 0.375%, yeah you should totally be able to feel that, NOT!
  • + 8
 Imagine this (or try it at your own risk), to demonstrate the opposite effect of flat pedals: put a 2" block of wood on both sides of your pedals, essentially making a really thick pedal. What happens when you try to pedal? Your feet want to roll forward or back, right? This is the effect of having your foot too far from the axle of the pedal. Ground clearance is obvious, but pedaling efficiency and stability is where it's at. Thin pedals are better, there's no arguing that. HOW thin, and how much strength you're willing to compromise should be the only issue to be questioned. If the design is good, you should be able to get the best of both worlds (strength and thinness).
  • + 0
 Yes there are. You have to understand grade 5 or 6 science to get it though. Is actually 1.7% based on a 175mm crank arm. Basic math and science LOL!
  • + 2
 Also, it's not the length of the crank arm that makes the difference. It's the distance from the sole of your foot to the centre of the axle. So 3mm on a typical 15mm thick pedal is quite significant.
  • + 2
 he doesnt get it.
  • + 1
 i ride the crankbro ones (super thin). i migh not have conduct several science test. but it's way better than a normal thick flat pedal. seriously the difference is there and i gain load of stability. those one this article seems even sicker and not to expensive for an innovative product
  • + 2
 The two factors involved are the length of the crank arm and the length of the offset from the top of the pedal to the center of the pedal spindle. The rotation is a circle spinning around a circle much like the moon orbiting the earth around the sun. The transferred force is calculated based on the position of the small circle on the large circle. Each force is a % of the amount of force applied based on the angles of each force relative to the direction of the push and the position of contact relative to the center of the transfer point.
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  • + 14
 No mention of weight?

Just my opinion, but the bearing (and housing) kinda kill the look. Maybe they'll look better on a crank arm...
  • + 1
 there was weight mentioned on Vital when they had pics a while ago, not impressively light if I recall...
  • + 22
 Japan Industrial Standards (JIS)
could not help myself.
  • + 1
 Yeah I read the whole article to find out the weight of these.... also I'm not a big fan of light Tioga pedals, my last ones where 430g (not that light at all) and super thin, and because of the bad placed pins I didn't have any grip at all! Also I broke them in less than 10 rides. Also they were around 60,- euros, so they were expensive. I had lighter and stronger pedals with more grip for 25,- euros. Tioga makes some good lightweight stuff, but their lightweight pedals are absolutely shit and overpriced
  • + 3
 Around 500g for these pedals. Not 1 bit light
  • + 3
 Looks to me like if you put your feet back on the pedals in a hurry you may be riding on the bearing housing
  • + 8
 I think I can speak for most when I say I'll be giving these a miss.
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  • + 9
 XC to AM... How bout DH!!!
  • + 1
 They seem to be lacking a few pins for Dh there are only 5.
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  • + 5
 I think everyone is missing the point of how revolutionary and awesome (and not for downhill) this is. This particular pedal is super thin yes, but they've taken away the constraint of the axle, meaning less limitations for designing future pedals. They could make thicker, stiffer, stronger DH style pedals with NO AXLE TO BEND. I bend axles all the time due to my rock smacking style and thats exciting news for me.
  • + 15
 you can just bend the pedal body and blowout bearings instead...
  • + 0
 I agree, bearings are gonna blow out way quicker with all the force being transfered outboard instead of along the length of an entire axle, but who am I to say, external bb's suffer from the same physics, and now they are pretty much the standard.
  • + 5
 No they dont, external BB is completely different.
  • + 1
 @james182 obviously you don't understand why external BB's are the norm now. They dont suffer from the same physics is just the opposite. Due to the BB's bearings being further outboard in relation to the BB shell that means that the leverage input from the crank is reduced because the bearing is nearer to the end of the "lever" (in this case crankarm/pedal altogether)
  • + 0
 @flamishmizer: I'd rather bend an axle or get a pedal with a stronger axle than hit this into a rock, it will shatter into a million peaces like glass
  • + 1
 I imagine i would bend this pedal, but the point is they can use this design, refine it and make a thicker stronger DH oriented pedal that could stand up to a some serious hits without an axle. If a straightline pedal body was attached this I doubt the reaction would be the same. It's the thinness of the pedal that is throwing everyone off. I imagine the bearing would take a beating, but current bearings in pedals are silly small, and they manage alright for a while.
  • + 2
 The pedal can't be too strong because I'd much prefer to bend a pedal than a crank arm. Somethings gotta give when you smack a rock hard enough - let it be the cheaper component.
  • + 2
 In this case I'm not sure if the pedal is cheaper than the cranks.... also it's better just have strong cranks and a decent pedal, and let your leg absorb the impact. Or if you smash many pedals buy cheap pedals because you'll smash them anyways..
  • + 0
 downhiller900sl explain to me why external bb's wear out 2 to 3 times faster than old style internal or even isis designs. Ask any mech. The fulcrum is pushed further out and onto one bearing as opposed to being more equally distributed among the entire axle length or 2 bearings.
  • + 3
 james182: they dont...
  • + 1
 common design engineering sens, just because of having the bearings more on the outside gives you 3 benefits 1)can use bigger bearings, 2) radial loads are the same as on old*istyle bb'sn but having bigger bearings you have better distribuited loads. and 3) as the bearings are more appart from the center of the bike that means that there is a longer axle thus reducing the momentums applied on the axle because the leverage is reduced
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  • + 3
 Seems like these are the perfect pedals for people who ride shiny Chris King headsets, custom tuned forks, blingy hope parts, carbon seats and limited edition parts in the best looking colors, who can't even ride a bike and go to contests/meetings to stand next to the line with their bikes in their hands and watch instead of going to have fun and actually use the bike.
But hey, you can't brag about your bike while you're riding right? And you don't want to get your bike dirty right?
  • + 3
 So having nice parts makes you not ride? Dude I better sell my bike and buy a clapped out faith Wink
  • + 1
 Lol that's not what I am saying, I was describing the average poser (in The Netherlands). They buy crazy expensive bikes with the best looks and weird stuff that looks cool but they don't ride it at all. It works exactly the other way; many people who don't ride buy the fanciest parts. Not saying that people who have fancy parts on their bikes don't ride it Razz
  • + 3
 I met a guy in Wales last week who had a beastly 951, Im talking deemax's, boxxer wc's, formula brakes and he was just there to ride with his kids, he wasnt quick. He wasnt a poser, he just likes riding and tell me honestly you wouldnt buy top end parts if you could afford it? I know I would
  • + 1
 Manchicken, I did. But unfortunately Spongebomb is right... Some people spend that lot of money on a bike just to pose and tell other riders (who actually enjoy riding) that their bikes could be better.

It doesn't matter who buys this pedal, as long as it is used the way it should and not only to show off. Good thing is though, it weighs a lot for a XC/AM oriented pedal, so it would be kind of a waste of investment. Arguement to use against posers and braggers, others just ride and don't care.
  • + 1
 Oh yeah, I know that, I despise fasion riders. They annoy me so much. I was just saying that some people can afford it AND like the sport as opposed to fasion riders.
  • + 1
 I agree with manchicken, but I also agree with sponge and Robby.

If I were to spec out a bike, I'd do it right. Not trying to say anyone is wrong. But still, if you have the money, why not splurge ? I mean sure, it makes them look like douches, but if they're going to brag, let them brag, y'know ? It's not gonna hurt you to sit and listen, or just sit there and nod your head and go " yeah, okay, uhuh, alright " haha
  • + 2
 It just makes it more satisfying when you are following them down the trail on their 7k rigs with matching graphics/laces/discos suits and your brake pads are glazing over due how much you gotta drag your brakes to not run into the back of them :0
  • + 1
 Yeah, I got a buddy like that. Me and the rest of our riding group blast him if he's going too slow ( blast meaning full contact passing in the corner )

But then again, my group is full of pretty crazy ass hardtailers.
  • + 1
 So you have a slower buddy you like to mess around with just because he has expensive gear?
  • + 1
 Well.. Not just because of that, because he's always rubbing it in how rich he is. He doesn't even care about the bike.

He's always " Oh I could afford for that guy to train me, but I'm too good for it. " Then we blast him.

But, we all enjoy it and it goes on not just with him, but with the rest of us too. It's fun.
  • + 1
 Oh, well that he earned that Wink It just suprises me how many ppl hate and know rich spoiled brats. I dont know anyone brags like that so I must be lucky. Strange since most of the rich kids I met are pretty ironic about cash even if some of them spend it a bit silly. Maybe I just avoid such people from the get go Razz
Though I still think there is a lot of stereotyping in the bike community. Like a guy with cheap gear must be slow and a guy with matching good looking bike apparently also must be slow but also a douche Wink Sometimes I think we are all slow Razz
  • + 1
 Yeah, I mean he knows we just like f*cking with his head so he doesn't give a shit. We just have fun, then someone hits a tree Razz lol jk.

Whenever he's away from the bike though, he's always offering to buy us lunch and drive us everywhere in his jacked up truck... lol that we don't mind, but as soon as we all step over our bikes he just goes crazy and we put him in his place, usually laughing his ass off as he goes over the corner hahaha
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  • + 4
 For everybody who is complaining about stupid trends I think people should just ride what they like to ride. If they like wide flat bars that's what they should be riding. Who cares it's not your bike.
  • + 2
 and thank God for diversity... (I'm not a religious kind of guy, more the atheist type. Not that it matters here or anything, I just like to fill up some random length Pinkbike space underneath a news post so everyone can see that I am really doing my best to look like I share my knowledge.)
  • + 2
 Robby you have enlightened me! ( in a spiritual way not religious ofc ) with your knowledge !
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  • + 3
 Was gonna put the standard ' why does pinkbike shoot down innovations without any remote engineering understanding, on the basis of two photos and without understanding the development potential of a product or having ride time on one' comment. But have pretty much given up on the majority of you Salute

Nobody, and i actually mean not one person, has broken a flypaper pedal and they're HALF the thickness of these. This is a thicker (because you have really thin pedals and really thick ones but not the halfway ones for some reason), you arn't limited to the fsa cranks like the flypapers, and its a lot lot cheaper. Whats your beef, its all gravy.
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  • + 2
 WOW! how much pedaling efficiency do you gain by your foot being 4mm closer to rotating point? vs how much more expensive will these pedals be, vs how much further does the pedal body sit away from the crank arm face with that giant bearing contraption, vs having a single bearing and the shortest pedal axle ever! with all your weight there? UGH! to me - this is re-inventing the wheel for the sake of re-inventing the wheel...errr pedal. if you want to do something "revolutionary" in the pedal world - be like everyone else and make your own new "standard" crank/pedal interface that incorporate bearings or something stupid like that. who needs 9/16s anyways.
  • + 7
 I would like to point out that they arent more expensive than any other top of the line pedals... they still scare me though...
  • + 1
 you gain efficiency because you can stomp harder on the pedal without the risk of loosing it from under your foot. Just ride XC in SPDs for few months, and then change to thicker flats on a technical trail - you will have bloody monster energy logos all over your calves, from blowing your foot through the pedal while trying to push hard over the top. But if you take super thin flats, that effect is minimized
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 hmm i would snap them in about 3 rides guaranteed. riders need to realize that just a little thinner pedal isnt going to make you ride like sam hill or aaron gwin. i think we need more technology that doesnt break(especially since parts are so damn expensive) everyone has there own opinion about products but i think quality should be over anything im only 165 pounds and i break everything and it suck because i spend thousands of dollars for parts that just break(without crashing)
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 yea "Measuring just 7mm in height, Tioga's new MT-ZERO will certainly turn a few heads"..... in the opposite direction
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 My main issue with these other than bending like most pedals would be bearing wear. There is allot of load put on one set of bearings. If they are a standard bearing and easy to change then it's not a big deal. If it's a non standard "Tioga specific" or a pain to change then that few mm is not worth it.
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 Looks like the technology is on the right path, but the form design of the cage itself looks emaciated and outdated. I get that they are cast in CroMo not CNCd from alum, but they could use some shaping and at least some visual 'beef'.
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 I just want a peddle that won't break in a month. Example, I had those straitline peddles for 5 ridesand now they are fk! I had dangerboys for a muntjacs the peddle just slid off the axle. 2 peddles 1 month gone Frown I did get my self those dmr v12 a few days ago so let's hope they can last me till next spring.
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 When was the last time you saw a high performance XC rider on flat pedals? I could maybe see a shore rider on something like these for the ground clearance issue (all of about MAYBE 5mm difference in clearnce) but efficiency..??? wouldn't your power stroke be basically the same as with a traditional pedal? bringing the rotational circle of the top of the pedal closer to the centre of the pedal threads doesn't seem like it would make much of a groundbreaking difference... What ever happened to the flypaper pedals? They seemed to have disappeared and weren't they even thinner than these "new" Tioga pedals? I'm all for groundbreaking new technologies but lately, it seems like too many companies are throwing too many ideas to the marketing departments rather than R&D. ¢¢
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 Some trail riders and am riders prefer flats. Not for xc racing but riding for fun - good idea.
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 spwrench, high performance XC riders use clipless because they can use the advantage they give, unlike most amateurs - in fact many of them use flat pedals from time to time to perfect the pedal stroke. For everything else outside racing, it's down to your own preference, and well, down to your own placebos

I feel better on flats on XC, and therefore I fool myself that they are better than clipless Big Grin I know one thing for sure, if you are nowhere close to a HP XC racer, it doesn't matter for your efficiency or race results whether you ride flats or SPDs. Taking a ride with a good XC racer helps to offset thoughts whether a piece of equipment makes you any faster (last time I did it, despite a great form as for my standards, I felt so slow, that even sub 20lbs 29er wouldn't help me to keep up with him for one lap on a race)
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 "and tested to handle a wide spectrum of off-road applications from XC to all-mountain. "


No DH testing, No care. Seriously. Those pedals are now RETARDED, I'll take my SPDs thank you. and platforms that ARE meant to DH on
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 To me it looks like there is going to be an un-even weight distribution on the bearings which means that they will ultimately wear out much faster and the whole pedal will start to wobble and then snap. Just a thought.
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 "Width of the ZEROaxle bolt is comparable to the axle bolt on conventional platform pedals"

Erm... No it isn't.

That's clear from the pictures. I mean, it's not going to be a problem, but why bullshit about it?
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 Those don't look particularly grippy, but obviously there's no way to actually know without trying them. Bottom line is its probably a better idea to stick with my straightlines, seeing how happy I've been with them.
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 I own a pair of straitlines myself, grip well, but you don't even get bearings for $150 pedal! I find that it is a very overrated pedal for the price, the weight, and for how cheaply made they are. In all honesty these Tioga pedals scare me, but that is why there is limitations to where you use them, for xc... i would rather spending my money on SPD's.
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 These would be even more incredible if you could house those bearings inside the crank arm, surely they could sit in where the pedal-thread insert is, say, on a pair of Saint Cranks?
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 That's exactly the concept behind the Flypaper pedals. Custom cranks and insanely expensive!
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 fucking idiots, if any one had a fucking brain they would actually realize that tioga does not just pump out shit, that why theuy have been around for many years longer than most of you retarded people have been around, and you would also research before you speak with you passive cum recepticles that many of you call a mouth. they do spew lots of marketing names , but they test before they sell. thin rules!!!- think of a someone standing on a brick, and someone kicks the bottom of the brick,it will roll under you, not take the brick, cut it in half and have someone try it again and you wont roll of, now think of a landing on a bike where you fuck up and land sketchy, and now you have no pedal roll , just feet sticking to the pedals, thin is the future
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 I run 30" bars and flat pedals because I am dumb and I am a slave to trends. What's the next trend? I'm chomping at the bit. Come on tapered bottom-brackets! WhoO!
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 the next big thing is drop handle bars for that ultra low front end that every body NEEDS and a 50 degree head angle that is so slack you need to ride into a wall to make your forks compress THE FUTURES BRIGHT
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 Actually a slacker head angle makes for a better working suspension since it makes the travel more rearward but hate on Wink
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 These pedals suck!!! I bet that huge cylinder getting stuck under your foot feels about as good as a D#@ck in your @$$. Go make some more crap tires or maybe some huge stupid DH seat.
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 Tioga actually has had some good flat pedals on offer a few years ago. Why the hate?
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 That axle-system is very clever. I looks super easy and I am pretty sure they can make it bomb proof. One of the most interesting product for ages.
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 Good job Tioga, you've officially 1-up'd point one
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 Ugly ugly ugly. Specs may be nice, but to me it looks like you will have a set og Botom bracket BB at the end of your crank arm.
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 Impressive, yes, but that zero axle thing is a huge protrusion from the crank. Integrate that zero axle into a crank body and then you'll have something...
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 That's exactly the concept behind the Flypaper pedals. The complete solution with custom machined cranks was crazy expensive!
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 the amount of pointless bickering on pikebike is redonkeylas but extremely amusing.
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 Its a bit of a trade off. I'd love to have thinner pedals just for the clearance in AM, but I doubt i'll have much confidence in them when going down fast hitting rocks.
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 What's the big deal about weight anyway? Surely the heavier the bike the more it trains you due to having to try that tiny (insignificant/un-noticeable) bit harder.
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 Been wanting to try out the Canfield Crampons for a while now.
These are $60 cheaper. Are they better?
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 that's wicked! wonder about the durability?
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 lets not forget DEITY'S new line of LTs. pretty thins, super grippy. and they look sik
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 Goofy! Hey check out my paper thin 1mm unobtainium pedals, now I have a pubic hairs width of more clearence!
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 couldn't fit to saint cranks,because this axle is big,and flat..they should make a good insert of this...
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 but will it blend ?
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 i like them i would ride with them
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 Even if unsuccessful, the technological innovations are always beneficial, even if to show what not to do.
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 the only problem on this,the axle might loosen to saint cranks,coz this axle is too big...
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 They should make a crank with the barring inside the crank arm.
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 Running the canfield crampons here and I like em. Id try these!
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 Hey I got an idea...If you don't like it don't buy it...
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 I wonder how durable these are... I do need a new pair of pedals.
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 looks pretty ridiculous.... Look out foer VP's version
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 wouldnt they destroy your shin w/o shin pads
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 Sticking with Spank Spikes, they're ugly as
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 wow I thought ABD Snipers were thin.
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 those things look fuckin sketchy!
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 I got excited untill a read:
"tested to handle a wide spectrum of off-road applications from XC to all-mountain."
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 those things look fuckin sketchy!
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 Q factor is the angle of the femur in relation to pelvis, and not 'the distance between a rider’s left and right foot, measured through the bottom bracket.'.
'... foot stability, and pedaling efficiency; the thinner the body, the more positive these effects ' well that's interesting... what a load of shit
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 Tioga should design a power block folding for 26... not pedals Frown
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 Ja pierdole..
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 EXo pedals!!! Yeah!!!
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 those are so thin that im almost more scared of being sliced by one of the sides, not the actual pins!!
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 almost as thin as your wallet will be after buying them
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 At least after you buy these you'll have something to fill your wallet with again (I bet they fit!)
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 these are not made for downhill anyways
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 I think they are cool. I'll buy some.
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 thur reekin :/
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 No point having thin pedals if your still gonna knock that big bearing case into rocks, looks like it might almost be larger than the end of the crank arm on some cranks. Plus, your bike will never fit into crank holders - which are used on shuttle trailers at every race and club event were I'm from.
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 looks like a trek
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 Good lord.

Can someone say.....

#bentinaweek.
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 hash tagging on pinbike? Whats the point...
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 Meh.. Kind of a habbit I have and I guess I carried it over. lol
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 Oh, here's one for you, too.

Hating on pinkbike ? What's the point ?
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 Lol, How am I hatin?
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 Well why comment on it and make it seem like a bad thing...
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 it didnt make sense, # is for twitter not pinkbike.
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 Well if you're that much of an a*shole to pick an arguement about it over pinkbike.....

Who honestly gives a shit ? It's the internet, it's bound to all come together one day..
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 I simply asked a question bro. Lol @ callin me an a*shole!
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 Why does it matter that I pulled a twitter move on pinkbike ? So what, I hash tagged, deal with it.
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 @ ScottB-408
it didnt make sense, # is for twitter not pinkbike.

# keys were on keyboards a long time before twitter came out !!
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 Hey nate, # is for twitter...

lol

Jesus, the maturity level of PB amuses me.
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 Yea I know, you're being pretty immature...
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 lol

Bud, go ride your bike and stop being so full of yourself.
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 I don't see how this could possibly even become an argument
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