XC Bike Check: Dan McConnell's Trek Top Fuel

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Scotj009 (Jul 2, 2015 at 11:45)

An xc bike check and you don't tell us the weight

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gromer (Jul 2, 2015 at 12:50)

Seriously, that's why I come into the XC bike checks.

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mikekazimer FL Editor (Jul 2, 2015 at 12:53)

Hang tight - I'll have the weight shortly.

gromer (Jul 2, 2015 at 12:55)

@mikekazimer, sweet!!

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mikekazimer FL Editor (Jul 2, 2015 at 14:05)

It's 23 pounds.

Scotj009 (Jul 2, 2015 at 14:25)

damn that's pretty damn light for a full sus xc bike!

piman (Jul 2, 2015 at 14:40)

That's lighter than my Bianchi.

hardyk (Jul 2, 2015 at 14:42)

what about the price for this bike @mikekazimer ? :O

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mikekazimer FL Editor (Jul 2, 2015 at 14:50)

@hardyk - I'd say somewhere in the neighborhood of $11,000 USD.

hardyk (Jul 2, 2015 at 14:53)

19.5 pounds is insane

SangamonTaylor (Jul 2, 2015 at 15:13)

Lighter than my carbon hardtail (granted, it's a 2007 Giant XTC). Would love to have a go on this bike.

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starpak (Jul 2, 2015 at 15:16) (Below Threshold)

You blind? Bike weight: 19.5 pounds

beeboo (Jul 2, 2015 at 18:45)

19.5 say what

that weighs less then my carbon DJ bike !!!!!!

djcrossmax (Jul 2, 2015 at 19:37)

Does the weight include pedals?

NWuntilirest (Jul 2, 2015 at 21:41)

$564.10 per pound USD

jfloren (Jul 2, 2015 at 22:25)

That weight is insane and doesn't sound right. If it is right, I'd like to know how he does it. Those are XXX wheels (1440g set) and XR1 Team tires (600g each). He has an ultralight saddle, post, stem and bars but that can't be the lightest frame and shock in the world. Can it?

eoisaacs (Jul 2, 2015 at 22:37)

Frame size? 18.5" or 19.5"?

megatryn FL (Jul 3, 2015 at 1:54)

So, how much is 19,5pounds in actual weight? (Kilos)

-Yes, I'm too lazy to google it. Partly because metric is the way to go.

Scotj009 (Jul 3, 2015 at 2:40)

8.5kg or something like that

BeardlessMarinRider (Jul 3, 2015 at 3:08)

There is no way it is 19.5lbs with pedals. FACT. The wheels aren't the lightest, the tyres aren't the lightest, contact points aren't the lightest, ICD adds weight, XTR Di2 is heavier than the mech version, forks aren't the lightest, XTR pedals certainly aren't light even if tuned. Even with proto stuff and tuned stuff that isn't 19.5lbs ready to ride.

@ mikekazimer , find someone with a hanging scale and prove me wrong

Scotj009 (Jul 3, 2015 at 3:14)

I can easilly see it weighing that when my ss 4x bike weighs 10.5kg (23.1lbs) with a really heavy fork!

sfer1 (Jul 3, 2015 at 3:30)

19.5lbs = 8.86kg. As BeardlessMarinRider mentioned above, there's no way in hell it's that light. The actual weight should be closer to 22lbs = 10kg.

sfer1 (Jul 3, 2015 at 3:49)

@ jfloren A 167g saddle isn't ultralight. There're much lighter saddles and I'm not even talking about boutique bike components. For example, Selle Italia SLR Kit Carbonio Flow and San Marco Aspide Carbon FX Protek Open saddles are both around 125g. Nothing on that Trek is particularly light.

LeDuke (Jul 3, 2015 at 7:39)

Nino's FS is about 19. Given the bigger wheels, I'd guess 20-20.5 for McConnell's bike.

BeardlessMarinRider (Jul 3, 2015 at 8:48)

That may be, but Nino rides a smaller frame, smaller wheels and tyres, has much lighter wheels, lighter Dugast tubs, no Di2, no iCD, much lighter proto fork, lighter cassette, lighter pedals for everything else being more or less equal. To say they should be within 0.5lbs (claimed by PB) of each other is way off. It is at least 20.5-21.5lbs ready to ride.

@mikekazimer put us weenies out of our misery and break out the hanging scale

LeDuke (Jul 3, 2015 at 8:52)

Dugast tubs are not light, by any stretch of the imagination. Those tires, despite being 650B, weigh more than plenty of 29er tires. They have an excellent ride, but light weight is not one of their foremost qualities.

BeardlessMarinRider (Jul 3, 2015 at 9:02)

530-590g depending on which model is run. True they aren't super light but Bonty don't make light tyres either, plus there will be no sealant in the Dugasts. Still the whole host of other heavier parts to overcome vs Ninos Spark

sfer1 (Jul 3, 2015 at 10:31)

Nino's Spark is 9.46kg = 20.82lbs.

See picture: fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11013126_10206926241940691_2059991942743204294_n.jpg?oh=712104fb749bb83dcae8174184f4699c&oe=56225095&__gda__=1445844970_c84a88eb117773bfa0cf7a7dc1634131

And that Trek is definitely heavier than Nino's Spark. The guy who said it's 19.5lbs didn't weigh the bike himself and the people up-voting his comment don't know anything about bike weights.

BeardlessMarinRider (Jul 3, 2015 at 10:42)

Fiiiinnnnalllly! Someone who gets it. Thank you @sfer1

Scotj009 (Jul 3, 2015 at 12:03)

We'll see when @mikekazimer comes back with a scale shot!

Bear in mind treks carbon is one of the best in the industry!

mikekazimer FL Editor (Jul 4, 2015 at 9:33)

The weight weenies are right, and I stand corrected - the bike is 23 pounds with pedals. www.pinkbike.com/photo/12416555

BeardlessMarinRider (Jul 4, 2015 at 11:59)

Even heavier than than the highest guess here!

Thanks @mikekazimer

megatryn FL (Jul 6, 2015 at 5:53)

So, that's 10,44kg in proper measurements then.

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ryan83 (Jul 2, 2015 at 12:45)

That electronic lockout on the shock looks like it was designed by a General Motors engineer.

gromer (Jul 2, 2015 at 12:55)

I also noticed that the cable for (what I assume) fork lockout actually routes from the top of the fork to the internal cable routing, implying it has to go back to the shock as well? Seems odd to me, but I've never run a bike with remote lock ability. I'm guessing it goes to the box on the shock, as does a cable from the switch on the handlebar, and everything is triggered from that box.

anchoricex (Jul 2, 2015 at 13:45)

Nailed it. Big, bulky and plasticy just like the interiors of all those shitty gm cars.

hamncheez (Jul 2, 2015 at 14:03)

From the thumbnail I thought it was a piggyback

JonJonM (Jul 2, 2015 at 14:25)

the cable runs into the frame to the battery i think which is in the frame. or maybe a junction box hidden in the frame like shamanos road Di2

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twozerosix (Jul 2, 2015 at 11:51)

From the side the bike looks really nice. The frame looks lean and fast. I can't get over the long dropped stem look that's necessary for racers on 29" wheels to get the handlebars in the right location. The new XTR design language, especially on the crank and somewhat on the RD, isn't really Shimano's best work (in this industrial designer's opinion) though it does showcase their forging and finishing capabilities.

snotrocket (Jul 2, 2015 at 11:57)

in this designers either, Dura Ace is much more pleasing on the eyes

dutchflick (Jul 2, 2015 at 12:20)

Agreed, but if you remove the crank bolt covers the design of the groupset is improved by 100%.

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mark3 (Jul 2, 2015 at 12:37)

the xtr crankset before this version was much better looking

twozerosix (Jul 2, 2015 at 14:33)

@snotrocket yup I think so as well, DA looks killer

jimeg (Jul 2, 2015 at 19:26)

XTR cranks and rings get uglier with every generation. Love the PB XC bike checks. Fascinating machines!

mountguitars (Jul 2, 2015 at 23:37)

not to mention the proprietary BCD. I'm a stay away from shimano cranks for the time being till they get their heads checked.

AZRyder (Jul 2, 2015 at 12:24)

I thought that was reservoir on the shock in the first picture and I thought "man, these XC guys are gettin gnarly!"

schofell84 (Jul 2, 2015 at 16:27)

They aren't "just foam grips", they're ESI's and I love em on everything except the DH rig. I'd run them on that too if I didn't crash so much!

Whipperman (Jul 2, 2015 at 13:19)

Nice bike, can't get used to these ugly new XTR cranks though

kclw (Jul 2, 2015 at 18:35)

@mikekazimer you didn't weight bike did you? I bet they told you weight and wouldn't let you actually weight it yourself.

With that part spec. that bike is at least 23lbs. I have a nearly identical spec on my XC bike and it is 23.5lb. My frame weighs in at 5lbs with shock, so unless Trek is making a 1lb FS frame that bike is not 19.5lbs.

jfloren (Jul 2, 2015 at 22:26)

Yes, 19.5 lbs does not sound right at all, not with those wheels and tires.

BeardlessMarinRider (Jul 3, 2015 at 3:03)

It isn't 19.5 but it also isn't 23lbs. Hate to sit on the fence but I'd bet its mid way between the two with pedals.

LeDuke (Jul 3, 2015 at 7:42)

Nino's Scott Spark 700 weigh's 19 or under. There's no reason this couldn't be 20lbs.

BeardlessMarinRider (Jul 3, 2015 at 8:49)

As in the other comment....

That may be, but Nino rides a smaller frame, smaller wheels and tyres, has much lighter wheels, lighter Dugast tubs, no Di2, no iCD, much lighter proto fork, lighter cassette, lighter pedals for everything else being more or less equal. To say they should be within 0.5lbs (claimed by PB) of each other is way off. It is at least 20.5-21.5lbs ready to ride.

sfer1 (Jul 3, 2015 at 15:17)

@LeDuke Nino's Spark is 9.46kg = 20.82lbs.

See picture: fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11013126_10206926241940691_2059991942743204294_n.jpg?oh=712104fb749bb83dcae8174184f4699c&oe=56225095&__gda__=1445844970_c84a88eb117773bfa0cf7a7dc1634131

BeardlessMarinRider (Jul 4, 2015 at 12:00)

Great guess @WhatAboutBob !

Mike's scale shot said 23lbs

kclw (Jul 4, 2015 at 15:01)

@BeardlessMarinRider I had an unfair advantage. As I said I have a bike with nearly the same parts hanging in my basement. It is just over 23lbs. It seems that 22 - 24lbs is the weight of most the of FS being raced right now. There are a couple that are around the 21lbs range but they are few and far between.

The trend in XC racing has actually been to heavier bikes. XC bikes are reflecting what general public wants; quality suspension and reliable components, which cost grams.

FuzzyL FL (Jul 2, 2015 at 23:32)

Seems like riding positions in XC racing are starting to follow the recent road bike trend back to longer, negative stems and large saddle heights... a few years ago somebody with that setup would have been told to just get a bigger frame

mfbeast12 (Jul 3, 2015 at 8:28)

holy shit an alloy spacer on an XC world cup race bike??? treason!!

seriously though, why the f*ck are people removing rotor bolts when they can still switch stuff out for lighter parts? i know, it's a spacer, and this bike is also center lock, but you get the point

justintheraypist (Jul 4, 2015 at 14:45)

So is body position the reasoning for running negative rise stems? If someone where to buy this bike to rip on local singletrack/berms would the "for fun" rider probably go with a rising stem/bars?

ibishreddin (Jul 2, 2015 at 17:14)

I have a stellar idea. I'm still trying to get it approved by the imba but it's getting there.

It is called enduro, wumbo edition: strap a dh bike to your back for the climbs and strap the xc bike to the backpack for descents. Unlimited possibilities.

ale50ale (Jul 11, 2015 at 10:23)

How, and when did it gain 4 lbs?

The original post said it was 19lbs, which most people rightfully jumped all over, calling it Bull.

Now it's 23lbs? More realistic (maybe even heavy?)

gcmartini (Jul 2, 2015 at 12:10)

I think removing the electronics would save some weight.

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miketizzle (Jul 2, 2015 at 12:12)

And the wheels

rrsport (Jul 2, 2015 at 12:18)

Di2 is lighter than mechanical...

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Dan278 (Jul 2, 2015 at 12:39)

yeah and dont forget the chain! nobody needs those things these days.

BeardlessMarinRider (Jul 2, 2015 at 14:34)

XTR Di2 is actually heavier than the mechanical version rrsport. Di2 DA is lighter on the road side though than its mech brother

rrsport (Jul 2, 2015 at 15:43)

Thanks didn't know that

Matt76 (Jul 2, 2015 at 13:12)

What the flying fuck is going on with that stem!! Honestly!!

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bishopsmike (Jul 2, 2015 at 13:43)

That stem is just not enjoying the lap dance

Dustfarter (Jul 2, 2015 at 21:01)

@bishopsmike How can I prop you more?!!!
Those stems are ridiculous but I guess XC is won on the climbs. I run my HT CC machine with an all mountain stem and it's quite fun and doesn't look super stupid.

Jake-anderson (Jul 2, 2015 at 14:05)

Looks like a carbon session

bcinbc22 (Jul 2, 2015 at 16:16)

Lol. ...nice one

YaacovR (Jul 2, 2015 at 12:47)

Im pretty sure thats not an XR1 tyre. Unless theres a brand new XR1....

tmcp1127 (Jul 2, 2015 at 14:27)

You can see the tire in the first picture, looks like it says XR1 2. Maybe a new version?

harrisonscottson89 (Jul 2, 2015 at 19:59)

Prototype.

eoisaacs (Jul 2, 2015 at 22:32)

Yeah I assemble bikes with XR1's all day at work, this is definitely something new. And better, by the looks of it.

harrisonscottson89 (Jul 3, 2015 at 1:11)

That being said the current XR1 is a sick tyre, I ride them all day everyday.

dmackyaheard FL (Jul 2, 2015 at 14:03)

I don't think the stem is long enough... just sayin.

ReformedRoadie (Jul 3, 2015 at 4:32)

If they can find a post with just a bit more offset, he'll be sitting over the rear axle.

PL408 (Jul 8, 2015 at 21:09)

@trailblitz That garmin mount is made by sram

trailblitz (Jul 2, 2015 at 13:39)

What garmin mount is that?

harrisonscottson89 (Jul 2, 2015 at 19:59)

Dan runs a Magellan not a Garmin.

Gav-B (Jul 2, 2015 at 15:31)

A gear indicator with one shifter? Who needs that?

ClintC (Jul 2, 2015 at 16:34)

SC-M9050 Display Unit: system status at a glance

Digital Di2 E-tube electronics allow the inclusion of the handlebar mounted SC-M9050 Display Unit for monitoring important Di2 data: gear selection, battery level and shift mode. The SC-M9050 not only provides data, but also is the convenient interface where riders will plug in and charge the system from the handlebar – an especially handy virtue when running an internal battery. The expandable E-tube platform also means that integration with electric-controlled suspension from FOX is a reality.

Multiple simultaneous display fields
Battery level
Gear position
Shift mode (Synchronized or Manual)
FOX iCD position (Climb or Descend)

Shimano Synchronized Shift mode switch
Change between S1, S2 and Manual shift maps
Audible Shimano Synchronized Shift notification tone

Precision derailleur adjustment
Easy access adjustment mode
Numerical adjustment indicator

Junction A function
Battery charging port
Three E-tube wiring ports

ecrider (Jul 2, 2015 at 17:37)

I WANT that chainguide!

hollowing2000 (Jul 2, 2015 at 18:29)

Looks fast!

sevensharpnine (Jul 3, 2015 at 10:04)

Good heavens I LOVE that frame color. That whole bike looks the business.

YoKev (Jul 4, 2015 at 6:49)

And how much cha-CHING($$) will that 19.xlbs cost you?

vDijk (Jul 2, 2015 at 13:29)

Why is the stem upside down?

carfreak2000 (Jul 5, 2015 at 4:38)

For a more aggressive stance for the climbs.

djimenez (Jul 2, 2015 at 13:14)

what a dick of a stem. assholes!

karoliusz (Jul 2, 2015 at 12:48)

Dat seatpost though...

om1wan (Jul 2, 2015 at 15:00)

I don´t know if the rear tire is 26 or the front is a 36 ?

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