Yup, she's going up for sale too.. Wish I'd bought a 20.8 SD in the first place, love it it's just a bit short...

 Yeah man, it's awkward when you love a frame but it's too short. My Failure felt nice but was too low unfortunately. My WZA feels perfect though haha

 Lol, right? It's like if I had just a tiny bit more room, it'd feel perfect AGGHH!!! My Marv has a different problem, TT length is good, I just wish it had a lower BB it feels way tall...

Glad to hear the WZA's working out!

 I found out the problem with the wheel, it's the chain being way too short(my wheel has a slight buckle) and if I land something a little under-rotated it'll move the wheel, so I'm just going to lengthen it a bit. The way it is now is pretty much slammed so I'm going to run it fully back so I can fit a 2.4 in. My old Subrosa felt amazing, I wish they still had a V2 in stock but considering there's been two more versions I doubt it haha. The 69 seat tube angle made manuals so easy and just made the bike super chill.

All I can say with the WZA is Mike Taylor does seem to love the little details, my mate has a V2 and I know another guy with an OG V1, so much difference between the three haha! The first 3 Villicus' had similar geo, just higher standover

 I understand on the seat angle thing, My favorite frame I ever had was just a WTP Zodiac, that had like a 70 or 70.5 SA and the manuals were so perfect with the relaxed seat tube, I haven't felt a bike that was as comfortable for street since. WTP isn't even really doing that anymore they've just switched to 75/71 like everyone.

Been thinking of selling some parts so I can get like a Benny L, or a United Beacon or Subrosa or something... Manuals are my favorite thing and they haven't felt as good since I switched.

 Nah man the WTP Sterling Pete Sawyer sig has a 69, BSD's Beverage has a 69.5 too.