no you dont want to get a Crack-and-fail

 Gotta agree with you there

 definitely

 It’s pretty cool and all but I think it would be better to have two thinner chain stays on the back instead of one large one because it looks pretty flexi right now

 is that a NO canister in the tent? since the shock is NO isn't it?

 doubt its flexy, the guy who designed it has one hell of an engenering background and put some other cool projects together... the freakin rear shock technology is copyed and adapted from a tank! is it chain drive or shaft drive?

 isnt there a chain inside a bath of oil in there?

 yeah mate, all sealed n can change gear without even pedalin! this bike is the shit!

i mean its nice to see someone havin a GOOD go, i mean no disrespect to orange but the 224 frame, £1900.. FOR WHAT? a shock, 2 pivots and sum mental? the shox what 300 and they'll buy em for like 80 quid n the pivots el cost them a fiver... i mean f*ck me its nothing special!

its a major shame the honda that was sumthing diffrent!

 with the orange 224 you pay for R'n'D which is where most of the cost comes from, other wise they would go under pretty dam quick.

 a g or 2 for r&d for everyone seems a bit much..

 you are forgetting materials and labour considering orange are made in the uk which means that the labour is actually quite expensive.

 materials? you cant get much simpler then what orange use bro.. oranges are hugely overpriced for what you actually get

 true true, but materials do cost, and sheet aluminium can be expensive, and im sure you are aware of buying the name? that is another factor, some companies have a higher price to attract more customers (very complicated reason why)

 there's the belief as a consumer that if you are buying a more expensive product for the same application that it is going to be better, just because it is more expensive. Orange frames however are bound to hold a high price tag, they are hand made and not mass produced in some eastern factory. A lot of the time the higher price tag for hand made, specialist frame also comes with better after care and warrenty replacement. Price also drops with quantity, mass producers such as kona will have a lower overhead because their frames are mass produced abroad.

 If I want a nicely produced, actually, even far better attention to detail and handmade quality than Orange, I'll do a Lapierre

 Why? Motorcycle builders, such as Ducati and MV Augusta, have 1000cc super sport bikes with single sided swing arms. I doubt your or my legs could put out 160hp. I believe it's around 40lbs, but I'm not entirely sure on that

 which is incredible because therefore it's completely sealed and requires no maintenance, engineering at it's best...

 Except when the chain breaks, then you have to take apart your swingarm to get to it. No thanks.

 think about why your chain would ever break, especially if its a quality, solid one...: DIRT, anything hitting it, and wear from shifting. That chain can't get dirty, it is protected, and it doesn't shift gears.

So, no need worry

 Chains break all the time from torque.

 No, you're wrong. That happens so rarely that it can't even be presented as in issue

 Yeah no, I'm not wrong. I've been working on bikes since you were 6, I've seen enough chains break from torque to know that it's an actual issue to be considered. Nice try though, kthnxbye.

 And I've been riding for what? 7 years now? I don't care what bikes you've been working on smartass, I've been working on AND riding bikes. I've only broken a chain once from pedaling, and it was a piece of shit 20$ chain. Ever since then I've only run high quality chains, on both my downhill and AM bike, and haven't broken anything. I've seen my buddy however, snap a chain when trying to shift uphill from 9-1.

Alot of people who do that are f*cking idiots. It's a sure way to break a chain easily. Torque? Yeah it takes a thousand or probably even more pounds of pressure to snap a chain that is in line on the front ring and back cog. As soon as you shift so steeply the chain bends and you could probably break in with 3-400 pounds of pressure.

The main point of what I was saying, and you clearly missed because you so shallow minded, was that the sealed chain has a much better chain has a much better chance to survive high torque/ regular riding because it's structure won't be degraded by the elements, and furthermore, that chain runs completely straight, at its strongest setup.

I doubt any one of us, or almost all people for the matter, could snap a chain just from torque, it's so often almost always that the chain is compromised by external factors. Get over yourself man and what you think you know, don't even answer back.

 You've been riding for 7 years! Oh my! Do you want a medal? I've been riding for 18 years! Do I get a medal too? Maybe a cookie? I like cookies.

You're a funny girl. I can see that you're all worked up over this, so I'll be brief.

You're wrong if you think that chains don't break from torque. Especially with no derailleur pulleys to travel through, chains break under pedal load all the time. I've seen it happen countless times, even on geared bikes. I don't care what you think you know or how you think you know it, I know what I know from experience.

 youve been ridin 7 years and you think your a god now? for 7 years your lacking talent. i have friends who have been bmxin for about a year and they can already tuck no flip

 That really has no relevance to what we were talking about, lingus. This argument has nothing to do with skill, merely time ridden and broken chains seen.

 on a well built bike you don't need any "suspensionkiller" platform.

 its got a nitrogen shock and to my knowledge its pretty good to sprint as the nitrogen give a slower rebound so it beds down and stays down
the shock is modled of the shock on a challenger 2 tank so its got to be pretty well thought out

 inside single swing arm

 how did you work that out?

 no its not its a 888 the triple crown vershion look closely and you can see the first to 8's on the opersite leg

 oh hey!