bad bearing housing,so in other words crap intense cycles quality control.

Yeah theres been loads of people that have had bad alignment, extreme flexing, snapping/cracking frames and pivots. I wouldn't buy one.

sexxy bikes for sure,but i wanna ride not look at them.

Marquis, keep quiet. Don't talk when you don't know anything about what you're talking about.

oh yeah your an intense owner now.

Dude, I have ridden many bikes from many companies and I can tell you straight up no bike I personally have ever ridden has SHIT on Intense. SPECIALLY when you get a frame made by welder extraordinaire Rick.

But if you get a bad one it's normally horrendous.

That's why you buy the frames that have seat tube braces... That's why I didn't buy a Socom.

i don't race so there's no need for a bike of that caliber.

Your spelling is appalling.

because i put 'u' where i wasnt ment to!?
get a life u pedant

There you go again.

have you got anything better to do, or just spend all your time on a variety of websites commenting on peoples spelling, punctuation and grammar!!

were you fired as a teacher for touching up little kids and now want to carry on your role as a mercenary english/american teacher online as no one will employ you; sounds like it to me.

why am i even bothering to respond, i dont know

Actually I'm a bike mechanic if you must know. This is a fun way to spend my free time in between service tags at work.

i see the amusement, though im off out to tap some girls like normal people. laterz

for the money ou would expect better.

i think the santa cruz bikes are built a tad stouter.

In Taiwan :-) and the alu. is getting thinner by the year (weight reduction).

no its the vpp bearings that are out of whack.

which is kind of stupid. the hole reason you buy a north American products is that your believing your getting the best quality available.

the prices are just overpriced to begin with. look at Devinci, they are 100% made here in Canada and there downhill frame, with shock costs $2300 Canadian (which is close or under $2000 American). there frames are always are thousands of dollars yet they still have defects and don't function properly.

devinci rock for the price.

you can almost carve your seat stay...

check the black upper link thats for sure twisted,on the site i got the pic they checked everything and put it down to the bearings for sure.

I can't see how it is ?

you can see more of the left side of the link.

For me that's camera angle and positioning

it all falls into place now,your an actual intense owner hence the denial.

please read the caption above the intense socom review.

http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=342016

I could care less - I have a solid 150mmx12mm bolt on rear but it looks wrong from a camera angle persepctive. And I can't find what you mention on that thread link? Can you quote it ?

Intense Socom:
I picked this bike up and as I pedaled away from the booth an assertive and persistent creak was immediately apparent. By the time I had gotten to the shuttle truck other people waiting with us wandered over and puzzled over the rear end with us looking for the source. We grabbed the rear tire and torqued it back and forth and were amazed at the amount of movement. We went methodically over ever bolt and none were loose or sheared (well, we didn't take the cranks off to check the drive side lower swing link bolts). The rear wheel had sufficient spoke tension, the Saint hub acted fine, the rear dropouts were snug, the thru axle was tight and in tact (something I later confirmed when I flatted and had to remove the rear wheel). We couldn't find any cracks or obvious damage either. I put my fingers over the point where the swing links interface with the frame members as we flexed to see if the bearings had play, but this did not seem to be the case either. The bearing bores may have been a touch big allowing the cartridges to rotate in the bores or something. Dunno. The rear end just swam and made a horrible noise. This was not actually that obvious while riding the bike interestingly enough. The Travis fork was a big let down. it was really not that supple over trail chop and had an amazingly linear stroke that I was able to bottom without trying very hard off a small drop on the upper trails. I was so surprised I went back and rode off it 2 more times, and stuffed the o-ring to the crown each time with a good thunk. The Revox shock also was somewhat bucky and choppy. Pedaling manners when applying easy to medium pressure to the cranks (say, during cruising or easy climbing) resulted in a huge amount of shock movement and a very soft feel. We measured the sag and came up with with about 30% so the spring rate my not have been quite right. This is a race bike after all, and I have to say that hard efforts like cranking when carrying speed up rock faces and sprinting did pull the rear end into a more solid state suspension-wise. The geometry was excellent and the handling spot-on for carrying speed through g-outs and around all manner of turns and over off-camber rock sections, but things were never

Fair enough the thing was a dog. Random, whatever. I guess Jeff and crew should make sure better product gets sent to demo events.

My point is I'm happy with my SS, feels solid. Yeah it's not been ridden loads yet but whatever.

Marquis, you are contradicting yourself... You're saying the frame is twisting, because you can see more of the link on the left... but if it was flexxing/twisting the frame, that link would be getting pushed towards the right(the same direction he is pulling on the wheel)... so it would make sense if you seen more of the link to the right(where he is pulling it towards, but not if more of the link is opposite of the direction he is pulling it in...


Get the idea...?

sorry i meant as we are looking at it now,as in left side.

I just went to that link you supplied...

135mm rear, very shallow(not structural) rim, and 32 spoke...

The recipe for a flexxy wheel!

Either way, My friend has a SOCOM getting painted, and when he gets it back, I'll be putting it together for him... so I'll see for my self then...

Check it's not the one made of rubber ;-)

That's what I meant, "IN THE PIC.", the link is to the left, yet he's pulling to the right... the link would follow if the frame was flexxing.

Besides, look at the tire, practically a MM away from touching the non-drive stay, yet look at all the space on the other side.

If the links were flexxing, the rear triangle would move, and the wheel would still be centered in it. but here the frame remains in place and only the wheel is way off center...

surely it would flex in the opposing direction.???

i also have owned a saint 135mm x 10mm rear hub,and sorry to say even on my kona coiler it didnt flex as much.

also look at dietercarrol's post.

As I said, when I put my friends Socom together, I will see.

How did your friends go?

Wheel flexes far more than the frame!

Yer this pic shows the wheel is f*cked, so would you reccommend getting one?

pic doesnt show the wheels is fluffed at all,and shows you paid nop atytention to the above description.

I'm meaning from the pic... the gap either side of the seatpost is equal, therefore in allignment. to me the wheel is bent

look at the top links,the other problem is you cant see the lower links which is where most of the flex will come from.

i have left a link further up for people to read.

do you agree that the wheel looks out of line?

click the link read the article,i refuse to waste any more time on people that dont wanna listen.

You didnt answer my question ffs, laters

The picture so obviously shows the frame in line, the wheel out of line. It's the wheel, plain and simple!

ok seeing as though you people dont like to listen we shall waste more of out great time on going through this shite,click the link and read through it but no your either to lazy or refuse to face facts.

yes the wheel is out of libne but thats because the rear end fleexed enough to take ity offline,if it was just a random pic i found then i would agree,but its not it was a bike test by another website i even posted proof of the said article.

are you that bothered that your beloved intense company make shite too.

I dont love thm, i was considering buying a socom and my mate sent me a link to this however i have asked a few knowledgeable ppl about the frames and have had mixed feedback

sorry for the rant,but im just annoyed that people think im making stuff up when i have provided info,this could be just a one of as it was a test model,but for me a test model should be better than perfect.

i would ask uk riders about there experiences with intense and santa cruz bikes though.

yer, well for the price intense charge you'd expect better. i certainly won't be buying a socom

Marquis, The difference here is, I am not just going by the picture! I am going by the experience of building my friend Randall's Socom, and then checking the rear end just like in the picture, and there was nowhere near that much flex! Yeah the frame flexed a little, but there was a hell of alot more flex from the wheel than from the frame!

There's no argueing with "HANDS ON EXPERIENCE"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

dont have to spend that much either to get a quality bike.

all im gonna say is read the large thingy i posted and follow the link,i provided proof and know one wanted to listen.

I also just see a normal frame with a dude pulling hard as on the wheel....excuse my ignorance

click on the link or read the bit i posted.

Yeah after looking more closely i changed my mind look at the left side of the link (right side of the picture)its much less visible, its becuse the bike slightly learning over it looks straight.

read the god damn paragraph i added,go to the link and read the right up.

bugger me wish i hade never posted it,but then again should of known all the intense fan boys would be,oh no thats not right it cant be right.

i want a f*cking holiday and a permenant one.

I did read it... I'm agreeing, it's the linkages flexing, rather than 'the wheel' like everyone else is saying...ffs marquis

ah sorry man,just people seem to think im dead aginst intense but im not,i was just posting an article i found.